I saw this post an needed to create a new account to clarify a bit...

Dec 19, 2016 9:39 AM

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Ok, I saw this post on the frontpage. I understand, that with all the discussion about gender in the US and among the people on imgur, at first glance you could think this is just horrible. But me, it just makes me sad. I am a father to a transgender girl (born as a boy) an please don't start judging and don't stop reading just yet. I didn't know just how early this could start until it started in my family. Already at the age of two, the then-boy started to dress as a girl (we didn't make him, he just took all the clothes of his sister), of cause we were thinking that this was a phase. But it just didn't change. He started to say that he didn't want to be a boy, that he was no boy and so on. At first, as he was smaller, they alloued him to go to the kindergarten dressed as a girl (the other kids didn't mind at all.) Later, they tried to make it stop so we decided, that he had to go as a boy for his own sake. Ok, so now imagine your child, sitting at the table for breakfast every morning, being devastated and sad, just not understanding why he can't be what he feels to be. Starting to hate kindergarten. Not wanting to play with anybody, because always being confronted with existencial questions no child should be supposed to deal with every day all the time. He / She just wants to play with the other kids. Tell your sad child in the face, WHY it has to pretend to be something it isn't. There is no explanation. Now, we talked to psychatrists. There are quite a lot of trans-children, it is normal that it starts as early as in the age of 2 and there ist not one known case in the country I live, where the children later in life "switched back" to the gender they were born in. And even if they want to, they still are free to do so, there are no treatments that make this impossible until they are older.

Just what I want you to consider is, that it is hard enough for those children to be confronted with such things instead of just playing normally. They feel, that they are different A LOT. Just imagine being that young and feeling that you are the only person on the whole wide world that seems to be like you are. Seeing posts like this on the front page is the reason, why my girl feels sad and lonely a lot, because people don't know how it has to be for her. It is no easy way for her to go, but at the moment it is the only way for her to be happy and to live just like any other child and like any child should. I try my best to support her, but I am scared, because she already realised, how hateful people can act towards her, just because she feels like a girl. And still, she stands her ground at this young age.

Ok, you can now go on to funnier posts and I really hope, there will be some cat tax right after this post for you.

Thank you for clarifying. The previous post reeked of ignorance and I'm glad you cleared things up for everyone (including myself).

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

I'm big enough a man to admit that I simply can't understand it. Doesn't mean it bothers me, or that I give a shit. About any of you.

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 3

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Not particularly. But effort appreciated. I mean I get it, I understand what's happening. But for someone not that way incljned it just does

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

n't compute. Again it's not really something you can understand unless you live it yourself. I'm presuming

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah, though I did try to make my comic open to not just trans issues, but also sexuality and the like.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Imgurians are transphobic. There I said it.

9 years ago | Likes 82 Dislikes 32

Don't forget misogynistic, hypocritical, "neckbeardy", decently racist, etc... I love this site but since the election it's been awful

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 13

Are there any other sweeping generalizations you'd like to make, or did you run out of buzzwords?

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

I'm not afraid of trans people. I just don't agree with their choices.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Cant hate you for being honest. Im trans. Dont mind if you dont agree. You werent an ass about it.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

...but this site is extremely liberal, pro Hilary and overall very trans friendly. What in the world are you talking about.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Anyone who said they were supporting Trump for any reason was immediately called buzzwords and downvoted.

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9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

Not all of us are transphobic. There I said it

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

Not all of us, but it seems more and more hate pervades this site. I've been thinking of not using imgur because of it. BTW @sarah

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 5

...so?

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 12

Are you actually a tank engineer?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

Yes

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

This makes me so angry! "Personally I don't believe in being transgender" what the fuck? Whether or not you believe it is kinda irrelevant!

9 years ago | Likes 75 Dislikes 23

It could mean that they take the radical feminist non-transgender perspective, which seems pretty legitimate to me.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 6

Yeah, that is the point where can simply stop reading the previous posting. "Yep, @MyGearsNeedOil is an complete and utter fuckwit."

9 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 2

The issue is convoluted and confusing. I believe in gender dysphoria, but Im not convinced gender reassignment is a necessary conclusion.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 6

That's like saying "Personally I don't believe in being lactose intolerant" lol

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 5

Personally I don't believe in spaghetti

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

Not even mom's spaghetti?

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+1

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9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

I think the reason people made such as uproar about it, is because it seemed suspicious, both her parents are big pro-trans activists.

9 years ago | Likes 194 Dislikes 56

Yeah, having a trans kid will turn you into an activist. They were conservative before that. People'd know that if they read the story.

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 1

I actually have so much respect for people who do a 180 when it comes to their kids. It's sad that it's rare enough that I feel that way.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's more common than you think, but not common enough. My partner's parents were conservative Christians and they came around.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Exactly, people say they are born trans or not trans. Then isn't a bit convenient that the kid of a trans activist is trans?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

As it turns out, her parents became activists after she came out as trans. I didn't see that they did so after the fact, to support her.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Yep, thats what I get for not reading the article. My bad.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You admitted your mistake though, which is more then a lot of people would be willing to do.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

And we all know if a lady "seems" suspicious, it's reason enough to blame her for everything thats wrong with America

9 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 8

They became activists because of their daughter. Debi Jackson didn't know what transgender was before AJ.

9 years ago | Likes 74 Dislikes 2

Weird how something affecting your kid might make you want to change the world to make their lives easier.

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Also, being an activist and supporting the rights of otherwise degraded human beings, isn't the same as forcing your child to "become trans"

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

If I had a transgender child, I'd be a trans ally and activist too.

9 years ago | Likes 122 Dislikes 13

NORMAL people adjust their thinking when it comes to their kids. This bullshit of not supporting your kids is just so tragic.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It'd be super hard to see people making your kid feel like shit, for being the person they feel they are.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

If a child has be diagnosed with gender disphoria treating them as the gender they identify with is protecting their mental health. 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Forcing a kid to be trans who isn't trans is child abuse. 2/2

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

My son KNOWS he is a boy. My daughter KNOWS she is a girl. I was a huge tomboy but I KNEW I was a girl. I didn't want to be a boy. Kids KNOW

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 6

what gender they are. If they KNOW they are a girl & have a penis, no one taught them that. They just KNOW the way my daughter and son KNOW.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 5

Thank you!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

It's funny how the OPs who post things like the original FP post this post is referencing always have similar comment histories.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

Why is it so hard for people to let other people be happy???

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 8

Thank you for posting this. That fp post bothered me.

9 years ago | Likes 87 Dislikes 42

Welcome to Imgur the land of bigots.

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 7

You're thinking 4chan. Only some of the people here are terrible.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 10

Nah... I know which site I'm on. Just check out the negative comments below.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

I want to believe that. But the transphobes here seem to come out in droves at every opportunity.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

It's been getting worse here.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

Yeah it has. I'm pretty much done with the website. It's sad that this is my third account.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

The psychology student here says thank you for getting this clear... It's a serious matter and people tell so much bullshit about it.

9 years ago | Likes 57 Dislikes 14

is there a female brain and a male brain or is all a social construct? we are getting mixed messages here so there is confusion.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

90+% of brains can be categorically labeled as 'male' or 'female' by their hormone production during gestation and through developmental 1/

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Stages. Gender is the more conceptual and socially constructed phenomenon, but when it comes neuroscience you are one or the other. 2/

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

more confusion =\ ...if your brain is male or female what part is socially constructed? if is all about behavior then is just LARPING

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

If you want a detailed explanation you can message me and we can talk! But to try and sum it up, the brain as an organ expresses itself 1/

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

gender in the "higher order" area of our minds and so we can manipulate our ideas of such things like gender and act on them differently. 5/

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"choice" conceptual system. Basically no part of the brain is explicitly "socially constructed" but rather we deal with complex ideas like4/

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and suppression of survival behaviour expression, we have introduced our mental proclivities into the modern society as a higher ordered 3/

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Distinctly from a biological perspective, preparing males or females to function along our evolutionary norms. But our enhanced neocortex 2/

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thankyou OP! This is amazing. - a trans woman whose father doesnt yet accept her

9 years ago | Likes 48 Dislikes 16

You're still not a real dragon though.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

No yep totally not a dragon *shifty eyes*

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

You mean a man

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Where

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You mean a man whose father didn't accept his choice of mutilation over therapy.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Therapy doesnt fix gender dysphoria, bud. Your options are happy pills or gender transition.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Accepting a thing can't be changed is just giving up. Just because something is difficult or hasn't been done doesn't make it impossible.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

If you need someone to talk to, I'm here.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

I legitimately appreciate that. Most people i know support me, just not some of the important ones. Lol.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I understand that, my mum is not actively hostile, but is uncaring.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah that sucks. Its no comparison, but know that a strange lady on the internet is in total support of you. <3

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

<3 This enby is in total support of you too!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I don't care who your are, just tell me what you want to be called, and I'll be as respectful as possible

9 years ago | Likes 181 Dislikes 24

It might be because I have grown up in liberal communities, but I cant fathom judging other peoples wishes even if you dont understand them

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Call me Memeslut please.

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 2

That's something I can get behind!

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Exactly. We're all human. And I just try to treat people they way I would want to be treated or would want someone to treat my children.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Yep all I care about is that they're not an asshole. Otherwise I couldn't care less about preferences, just be a decent human being

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Call me an Attack Helicopter.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

And don't be offended if my oblivious ass respectfully but mistakenly calls you the wrong thing.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Exactly. Yeah ill call you whatever you want, just dont assume im guna know it right off the bat, fucking tell me, i cant read minds.

9 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 3

The other thing is the english language has 3 pronouns for other pe he/she/it. If it's not one of those three I'm not going to call you it.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

You have to figure that most trans people know that other people may not know what to call them, & are fine with telling/correcting someone.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

And as a trams person, if you call me male pronouns i wint give two shits.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

This is great. I have a trans friend who hates it when people slip the wrong one. It's starting to bother me. We're all human.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Do scholars drop out of college?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I have my doubts that a four year old has any clue about any of that but I've also never experienced it in my family so I dunno.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 5

Children understand and identify gender that young. There's been a lot of psych research on it, it's pretty interesting.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

Yeah I know they can identify themselves but I'm not so sure about being able to resolve the difference within themselves if makes sense.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thanks @OP. I see anti trans stuff on Imgur all the time. People don't like it when their way of thinking is challenged. Like every social

9 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 11

issue fucking ever, most people will wise up and stop bitching so much eventually. Wish you the best of luck with your child!

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My philosophy. I don't care what you identify as or who you are attracted to. What I care is do you signal before merging.

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Oh god, as a woman (born one too) it makes me very sad even imagining having to pretend to be a boy. Poor kid. Give her a huge hug from me.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

I think that's the best way to understand what it's like to be trans. Not 'I wonder what it would be like thinking I'm different to what 1/

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I was born with' but 'Imagine if everyone else forced me to be something I didn't feel like I was'.

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I was ONCE mistaken for a man (no idea why?) and it ruined my entire day even though it lasted 3 seconds. Imagine that all your life. :(

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AS a trans adult, the climate is better now than ever but for me, I became a addict and alcoholic due to the shame. People are horrid

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Do you by any chance know 'glacier' by John Grant?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This song just made me cry. Thank you for sharing!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I'm just here for the bad comments. Raise your children how you want as long as it doesn't harm them.

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 8

Thank you for not putting a link to the original.it was crap and bothered me greatly. I thought it was a joke at first

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I've worked with a lot of trans people. People treat them like crap when all they want is a place to shit with a door on it.

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But then why have they made such a huge fucking deal about it, before there were trans people but you never saw them complaining and whining

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

Do how do people know they are trans in order to even treat them like crap? Honest question, I don't understand it.

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Even binary trans people can get kidney problems from holding in their urine because of fear of being kicked out of toilets.

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Every time this topic starts up...

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All places to shit have doors on them. Well, in my country anyway.

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In the US we only get 2/3 of a door.

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

I've been in US bathrooms without doors. Budget cuts.

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(And no, I'm not talking about genders. I'm talking about those silly stall doors that don't reach the floor.)

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Don't forget the uncomfortable eye contact through the gaps at either side of the doors too.

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The majority of people I meet want this too. But I have met two trans people who weren't like that. They treated everyone like shit and 1/

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They accused others of shaming them constantly. Everything became about them being trans and all cis people were the cause of all of their 2

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Pain. While I agree that this is a minority and I always try to not let it, it does affect how you see trans people when these are among 3

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The first trans people you meet. 4/4

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Some feel resentment because they're constantly ridiculed, vilified and distrusted. It's sad but understandable.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

trans kids are consistent, persistent, and insistent. They start very early, and stick to their guns.

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It's an odd thing, evolutionarily, and the hate society heaps on them doesn't help.

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How does a 4 year old identify as a woman?...

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is more related to the "boys will be boys" and then a boy does not behave like a boy...and the fathers ask why...and that is how it start

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Gender largely correlates to sex, but along w\ sexuality they're all different. Im a straight(sexuality) cis(gender) dude(sex). Ish. cmt? 3.

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Did u read the post? Do u know any kids? Like here, kids do have gender characteristics & gender is emergent from those characteristics.1/3

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 5

Oh and if it sounds otherwise, I don't think that kids that young really identify with a gender or with a sex

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I speculate that identifying as ??? comes later as kids learn how ppl label others with certain characteristics and how they label you.2/3

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Read the small print just below the pic...

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Ah, actually didn't realize you meant that. I didn't downvote your comment, have a +1 because good point

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

They identify as boys, girls or neither. The transphobic OP is interested in hyperbole.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 6

Read the small print just below the pic...

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

There's the transphobic OP and the current non-transphobic OP, how would you else like me to differ them? New OP/Old OP?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Damn, thanks for the perspective.

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My fiance is a trans woman and I'm female (naturally) and we've both faced some hard times, but it's worth it to be together. Feel free 1/

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To send me a message if I can help OP, its a difficult life, but happiness is worth it. Good luck +1 2/2

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imgur is full of hatefull people,because of a few sjw's they suddenly despise everything that is transexual, I've felt unwelcome here often

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anonymity...sjws weaponize social shame so posting this on facebook makes you radioactive so people come here to post their ideas and memes

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as a right wing, white, straight "cis scum" :D male I genuinely hope that people will become more welcoming of LGBTQ folks!

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and not all of us are bigoted assholes

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I find it more sad that it seems to be one of the nicer communities out there still... Or maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

one post everybody hates on transpeople "sjw's", the other post they find them brave and "just be yourself", Imgur community is very weird

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I used to think that, but lately they're just as bad as everyone else. I'm considering not using the site anymore.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

People need to stop worrying so much about stuff that doesn't actually affect them.

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It will affect me once the laws dictating that I must call people by their preferred pronouns spreads from NYC. I ain't calling you zeta

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

Fucking thank you

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

This is child abuse on the same level of pedophilia. When a child gets raped you should just leave it alone because it doesn't affect you?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

I agree. However I will continue to judge you silently.

9 years ago | Likes 58 Dislikes 11

Eh, I think this is the next phase in the culture wars.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

YUP!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's pretty much my take as well.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Most murders don't actually affect you, personally.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Gender confusion is mental illness brought on by some trauma or outside influence it is not inborn nor does it happen for no reason

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

That would be a valid point...if there was any reason to believe it was true. Neither experts nor evidence support that view.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Well it does affect most people, though all it takes is a few changes like universal bathrooms and then yeah, it won't affect most people.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yeah. Fuck those kids in Africa.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

yeah, so lets put it on the front page of the national geographic magazine...that should work.

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Say there is a genocide in Africa. Is it not okay to help them?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There's a difference between a situation where no one is being affected in any negative way and a genocide

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

We're only supposed to care about ourselves? that doesn't sound very liberal!

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the fuck? The text in the image already says s/he doesn't have a problem with trans. The complaint is about indoctrination.

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In general, just because it doesn't affect you now doesn't mean it won't in the future. The smallest movement can turn into a revolution

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A million times, yes.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You mean like worrying about what other people think? Or using the wrong word to describe you?

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There is very little that doesn't affect us as a population. That being said though, I do think ppl are usually a bit over zealous.

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Yea we need to label everyone

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Like how it can get passed as a law that using the wrong word is hate speech and therefore a crime

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Thats not true. Bill C-16 add trans and gender non-conforming people to the Canadian bill of rights, giving them the same rights and 1/?

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2/? freedoms as the rest of us. It also adds those people to the criminal code. This means that any government or business under Federal >

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3/? jurisdiction can be criminally charged for discriminating against someone because they are trans or gender non-conforming, just >

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Are you referring to the magazine the writer the original poster this poster or yourself? Youre all bringing your opinion into public light

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Thing is it is changing the world we live in so it affects us. People getting offended will probably end up as a criminal charge one day. Oh

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

wow!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The gradual downfall of society may not affect me personally, but I don't subscribe to a "fuck you I got mine" attitude.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

HAHAHAHAHA

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It does when the governement alter the criminal code to regulate the way we speak. Free speech under attack.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Wise words, comrade. Please accept this AK-47 as a gift.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

On so many levels!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah like aleppo, and mogadidhu. Im never going there so why should i give a fuck.

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The problem is people thinking that war in other countries doesn't affect them.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

But it effect their children and their potential psychological well being. It's okay to be accepting, but this is like a 5 year old saying -

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

they're gay. They aren't even old enough to make that kind of decision.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Alright, I'll go ahead and dump all my plastic bottles into the ocean. Doesn't affect me. :v

9 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 24

Well that's completely untrue

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 6

Untrue to what? Irony, facetious remarks?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Please put all of your plastic bottles into your own water supply, and keep them there. Get back to us in a few years.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

My own water supply is the city's water treatment plant. Should be fine.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

Interesting line of argumentation. Difficult to refute. We do care about the oceans. You know this. You Use it as metaphor for trans kids.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Very clever. However it doesn't hold up in fact analysis: you are comparing petrochemical dumping to people's identities?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Your logic is bad and you should feel bad.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

I don't if the logic of the post before me is correct

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

It does affect you, even if you don't see the effects immediately

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

But if I don't see the effects, I've basically done nothing. Thus, I'd have the attitude of not caring.

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Child pornography and sex slavery don't effect thousands of people. Should we stop worrying about it?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

You're right. I should only ever consider things that affect me. Me and only me from now on. Thank you stranger

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You really should, this would make your life a lot easier and with less bullshiterry.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

People don't realize what they're saying

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

"March on Selma, well now that just seems like something I shouldn't concern myself with... I don't even have black friends you know."

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Life actually becomes a lot better

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

That's what people do anyway

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In the context of the post, I took it to mean don't get upset at what others do to themselves.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

If I'm a parent and a child molester moves in down the street I won't worry because he hasn't done anything that actually affected me.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 7

When I was a kid we had a child sex offender move into the neighborhood. All the dads went to his door and told him what would happen 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

if he touched one of us.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

In what universe is the potential threat of a local child molestor similar to a trans girl? Are you purposely misinterpreting what he meant?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

I want them to actually think about what they said.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

No, he's pushing to make a point. Maybe you don't see it as a problem to you, but seeing the environment some might consider it child abuse

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

And i'm not saying it is or not. I don't know the situation well enough, but I can see why people are thinking that way

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The problem is that is affects the child. Should we not worry about a parent who hits their child since it doesn't affect us?

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 7

Did you actually just compare "listening to and supporting my trans child" to "hitting my child"?

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 4

The majority of children cease to desire to be the other sex by puberty with most growing up to identify as gay or lesbian.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 5

[citation needed]

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I didn't pull that out of my ass. It's a direct quote. Thanks for the downvote, though!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria_in_children 4th paragraph. It's sourced from the JAACAP.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Playing devils advocate. If my neighbor beats his kids and it doesn't affect me should I not worry?

9 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 11

Because that is harming someone. The point is that one harms someone the other doesn't.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

But the kid on the cover isnt like that for him/herself, they are being harmed

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If something brings harm to you or your kin, then prevent it. Does it do no harm to you or your kin? then don't give a fuck.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 10

No. If my neighbor was beating his kid, you can be sure as hell it's my responsibility to call the cops.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

If your neighbor is beating their kid, and you're aware, it affects you.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

Even if you're not aware it still affects you.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I would say if you're watching your neighbor beating his kid and you aren't stopping it, then you're hurting your soul, brotha.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No, cause that's an actual thing to worry about. Given, I think this thinking effects future generations all the same. So I dunno anymore...

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 10

(Let me be clear, I am not for child abuse in any way shape or form.) But how does it affect you, and why is it something to worry about?

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 4

Mental health of a future generation, not to mention all these kiddos that get reckless towards public, most of them come from abuse.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

how about because it is morally wrong? And you might, if you had morals feel this is a bad thing. Is it ok to raise kids to be racists?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I guess, to me, so that no more untreated mentally ill people go shooting up public places, possibly hurting me and mine.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Just one example

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Slavery was OK as long as it didn't affect you. Don't fund AIDS research until you have HIV. The war in Syria is a non-issue for non-syrians

9 years ago | Likes 150 Dislikes 55

Fuck Syria though, when has western intervention in the middle east ever helped? Also I'm not fighting Russia over that bullshit.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 5

come back ButtsMcFarts, we need ytou +1

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

come back ButtsMcFart, we need you! +1

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Maybe draw a line somewhere between petty squabbles and national tragedies.

9 years ago | Likes 80 Dislikes 15

So brainwashing your kid is ok if it is to be trans but not ok to raise them as anti vaccine? How about let the kid grow up and decide?

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 13

You're a goddamned hero, son

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Slavery wasn't national tragedy at the time.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Broad statements call for broad responses.

9 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 10

Boom!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

But those things are actually harmful you strawmaning twit. Being transgender hurts no one.

9 years ago | Likes 57 Dislikes 37

Wiki says up to 8% of reassigned trans people regret it. This is something we need to be very cautious about.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

No, this is something people considering undergoing reassignment need to be cautious about. Also 92% hit rate isn't bad tho we can do better

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Being transgender doesn't hurt anyone, but forcing it on someone, which is what people were up in arms about, does.

9 years ago | Likes 49 Dislikes 22

As I and many others in the original post said, OP was lying about that. Parents BECAME activists b/c of their trans child.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

No one's forcing anyone to be transgender.

9 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 11

I think part of what OP is saying is that these children aren't being forced, but instead are being allowed to express themselves.

9 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 7

Well, I think here that what's worrying people is that the parents are trans-right activists and they think they might push an agenda

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 12

at this age you cant make decisions like this. your mind isnt fully developed. this is harmful and can result is further mental issues.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 4

Evidence? You have some, yes?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

Why are you saying it's a decision? Did you read OP's post? The whole thing? The effect of gender denial on the child?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

may not be harmful to him but this is brainwashing a 4 yr old plain and simple. It harms the kid. He is not old enough to understand.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 5

OP was lying about the parents being trans activists beforehand. They became activists b/c of their child. Google it.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

The thing I don't agree with is the young kids taking hormones, reason being I'm a guy, but for years as a kid I wanted to be a girl (1/2)

9 years ago | Likes 125 Dislikes 21

You don't have the right to decide for all tho. Your experience is not definitive or even the norm among trans children.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

I'm sharing my opinion on an Internet post on a website intended for spreading memes, I'm hardly deciding anything for them

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I want to know what came first, the parents being trans activist or the boy being trans.

6 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Me too. I had alot of identity and body issues and i went through alot of self discovery to be ok with the gender I was born in..glad i did

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

The cases I've seen just delay puberty and development until they turn 18. It's a lot easier to be convincing later, You can decide later.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Yeah and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that sort of thing.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Me too. I had alot of identity and body issues and i went through alot of self discovery to be ok with the gender I was born in..glad i did

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

it's very very uncommon for kids to take hormones, the most they usually do is easily reversible hormone blockers

9 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 3

Yeah there is nothing wrong with that, it's only the rare cases I have a problem with. The rest of then time, let the kids do what want

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

Actually, these blockers do quite some damage too. The best way is to just give them the right hormones as soon as puberty sets in.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

They don't give children hormones. They give them blockers, which helps to delay puberty so they have more time to mature and decided.

9 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 3

Yeah that's fine I see no problem with it, it's just that there are some (rare) cases where children do get hormones which is fucked

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 6

② Is it possible you are getting confused about something like David Reimer, or another similar case?

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

① Could you provide an article on that? As a medical professional who does trans-care regularly, I've never heard of that happening.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

① Doctors don't start hormones until puberty, because males and females are the same hormonally until puberty; it would upset development.

9 years ago | Likes 42 Dislikes 1

② Typically doctors will prescribe no medicine until puberty is getting close, at which point they may prescribe a testosterone blocker in

9 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

how do you do those numbers ??

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

There's unicode for it, however I don't have it memorized, I just copy and paste it http://www.unicode.org/charts/beta/nameslist/n_2460.html

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

thx a bunch

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

③ order to delay puberty for a year or two. You mentioned that you changed your mind at age 5-6, long before when hormone therapy starts.

9 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

And now as an older guy I don't feel that way in the least, and don't even understand how I did. Point being, kids at that age can't be (2/3

9 years ago | Likes 94 Dislikes 6

Trusted to make decisions that'll affect them for the rest of their lives. Now dressing in other clothes and all that is fine, no harm done

9 years ago | Likes 83 Dislikes 1

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There won't be HRT before puberty sets in. Most transgender kids despise their original puberty and its effects for the rest of their lives.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

Forcing them to go through the wrong puberty is nothing but cruel.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

Kids that young can't be trusted to make a choice as life altering as hormone therapy.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Different studies vary, but somewhere between 50-90% (Huge disparity, I know) of Trans kids have the same experience after they hit puberty

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

So do you remember when you decided you didn't want to be a girl anymore? Do you remember why or was it just something that happened one day

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

This is interesting, because for years I only ever saw myself as male (only dreamt I was male too). Then around 14-15 it suddenly switched 1

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I don't really recall, I was young. It was like age 4-6 so it was kinda fuzzy. After that I remember I wanted to be a dinosaur

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

And I could only see myself as female/feminine. I have trouble comprehending how great a switch that was, the mind is truly complex! 2

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's rare for kids to be given hormones and I don't agree with them being given to young children. They give blockers to stop puberty.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

It's much better to start puberty late then to go through the pain and confusion of being in the wrong body

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Your logic is kind of scary. Kids aren't old enough to make these decisions, my problem with the transgender community is that it seems -

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

While I agree with most cases, this is a case (ChasingBullets) that most concerns me. This tells me we do not know enough. I dont think (1)

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

that there is enough research being done because it might offend the LBGQT community. While this is a valid concern, because they have (2)

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

been so oppressed, I am worried we will be harming others unintentionally on both spectrum. What is the answer? (3)

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

③Which does happen to some non-transgender individuals. Gynomastia is typically treated by hormonal and surgical intervention, same as FTMs.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

② And it's not hard to see why; if you hit puberty and started growing breasts as a man or facial hair as a woman, you'd be freaked out too.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

① He mentioned he changed his mind around age 4-6. If the kid dodges childhood abuse, it's puberty that cements their view of themselves.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

+1 for cool numbering.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I see. That makes sense! This information really helps me see a better perspective! I appreciate your knowledge ????

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Tiny Octopus doesn't understand why you needed to make a new account? Are points really that fucking important to people?

9 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 18

Tiny Octopus raises a good point and Dong Valhalla agrees. Fuck the points, don't hide yourself for fear of another's opinion.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 6

They didn't want to be witch-hunted by people who disagree with them, as they may have had personal info in the comments of the other acct.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

It's not because of the points, it is because I don't want to give any personal information.

9 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 11

Tiny Octopus could glean absolutely no personal information in this post, but it's your bandwidth. Use it as you will, as it does no harm.

9 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 12

They didn't want to be witch-hunted by people who disagree with them, as they may have had personal info in the comments of the other acct.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

not in this post, but in my other account (which has no points I could loose as I am mostly a lurker).

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 5

Why is gender dysphoria so hard for some people to understand?

9 years ago | Likes 38 Dislikes 16

Poorly veiled trans (and often homo)phobia, religious reasons, stupidity, ignorance, laziness, cruelness

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 7

because sociologist and feminist say that is all a social construct and suddenly there is a female and male brain? too much confusion...

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Society. Plain and simple- if the society changes it's laws, then very slowly- but inevitably people unlearn old hates. It takes time.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

what laws should we change,a transgender person is the evidence that there is such thing as genders but feminism say is a social construct

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You are confused on what feminism says- and the laws that need to change are those that deny ALL people the same rights.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

which right do transgender don't have? and what feminism says about social constructs and genders are they fluid or not?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Bathrooms- one law- and social constructs are not in the same category as genders, so can not be addressed as a Q. These are assumptions.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's nonsensical to conflate two points of view if both are defined crudely and inaccurately.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

but then all we have is ignorance, that is been push as transphobic, people are been accuse of hate something they dont even know exist

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

if you mean to say that people who don't understand shouldn't be aggressed against then I agree. But most understand and want to be hateful.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The original post says that they unsubscribed from NG because their view differed from that of the writer. Says it all really.

9 years ago | Likes 506 Dislikes 52

My mom subscribed to NG for decades, I loved NG and I took the mantle after she passed. I recently unsubscribed from NG because I got so

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

tired of the increasing politically-charged tone and the human-interest social focus. There are other mags that do a much better job of it.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

Just show me badass pics of far-away places that I'll never get to visit. That's what made NG. So although I would never marginalize

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

or judge Trans people, I agree with the sentiment. Again, other publications do a much, much better job at this type of topic.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

They lied. They knew nothing about the girl in question.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Which is funny because the post displayed clear ignorance of the story. Smells of bullshit.

9 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 8

Agree.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

This article wasn't even about being transgender it was about how gender effects kids.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

The fact they "don't believe in being transgender" as well... FFS you can't juste "non believe" things, you ignorant pile of dirt.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It was really disheartening to see the shit in NG's instagram comments when they did an lgbt week. Even reading NG's description was too 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

much for them to bear. 2/2

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's not just the writer the original post's author disagreed with - it's NG's sympathetic editorial staff who made this a cover story.

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 27

Shocking. A cover story about an issue that is quite prevalent in the minds of the public right now. Who'd have thought it possible?

9 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 5

Transgendered 4-year-olds aren't an issue that is quite "prevalent" in the minds of many people I know. I know I don't lose sleep over it.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 11

I'd say your average person doesn't think about this in the slightest during their day to day.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 4

It's not that it was a cover story - it's that it was a cover story that implicitly takes sides in a contentious issue.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 6

Does it? I haven't read the article, so I can't say. But the cover itself doesn't take any sides.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

1/2 The headline is: Special Issue - Gender Revolution. To me, at least, it seems to imply that NG is supportive. I don't have to read the

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 6

2/2 article to know it isn't critical of the kid.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 6

What's wrong with that exactly? I don't like paying for content I don't like either.

9 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 14

If you hide from views you don't like you just become a narrow minded fool.

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 6

There is a difference between content you don't like and content you disagree with--or at least there should be.

9 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 6

If I were to subscribe to NatGeo, which admittedly I am not familiar with their current content, it'd be because I'm under the 1/?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 4

And if I didn't like it, and had signed up expected articles in endangered elephants and deep see exploration, I would unsubscribe, 3/?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

Because I don't want to pay money to receive a product I don't like. It's that simple. If you went to McDonald's, ordered a coffee and 4/?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 6

They gave you an ice cream you wouldn't frequent that McDonald's anymore. Plain and simple. 5/5

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 6

I agree with your conclusion from that analogy, but your analogy is flawed. 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

NatGeo does articles on cultural phenomena all the time though? They're just discussing transgendered this time.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This is more like a comedian you find funny telling one joke you found in poor taste and then saying you'll never pay for their show again.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

impression that it's a nature and cultural anthropology magazine, this is not the content I personally would have expected to see in NG 2/?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 4

This is someone saying, "I don't approve of this issue so, without learning, I will refuse to further my knowledge of it."

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

Transgender is very much an anthropology issue. Many cultures have more than two genders. The western definition is of two strict genders

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 4