TheBloodyLady
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Nov 1, 2021 6:15 AM
TheBloodyLady
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bannedagain80
servers can make 1500 a week in tips. if you aren't a server you should definitely be paid more
Poco3o
Those are some amazing benefits
Biggless9
They must mean $21.30/.....
Wallace2Bignow
South Carolina?
SlightChungus
Tips are fucked pay people a living wage fucking evil capitalism at its finest. Live on the gratuity of others.
CoarseAndSalty
$2.13/an hour and you're not giving your employees free meals? Just imagine being so much worse at running a business than the Burger Pitt.
Biggless9
Maybe at the general Living Wage of $24/.
troy1984
$2.13 an hour? Fuck right off with that BS
gatewater
That's how much they paid at Pizza Hut in the 80's for reference. The idea would be that you made up the rest of minimum wage in tips.
ATerribleArtist
I don't think it's legal to require overtime.
StrongBadEMale
Sadly it is. 29 U.S.C. § 201 sets no limits on how many hours you may be compelled to work, nor prohibits employer firing you for refusing.
RedPandaDeluxe
That referral program tho
wobblecopterrrr
Read as: “we’ll hold your future employment hostage soo you don’t just walk out when you find out how much this place blows”…
MrFancyPanzer
Jesus, that's absolutely rapacious.
Swinglowmysweetballs
tips are classed as a benefit?
vizeroy42
The really strange thing is: something like this would also be legal in Germany. Waiters and hairdressers have this low union approved pay
DangerTrain
Yeah yeah "tips", it's stupid that customers are expected to directly pay 90% of the staff's wages and the food is the same price.
Taokan22
If you're paying under 15/hr, tips aren't a benefit. They're a substitute.
PeterPanPeanutButterAlert
A subsidy*
yamigenesis
How do they think that tips are pay? $2.13 an hour is a Federal Crime.
CrimeSceneShoe
To be fair a good number of servers oppose min wage because it means they would earn less than they do with tips.
LiterallyLordSatan
Nobody wants to work *for you*!.
neff22
It depends on the restaurant obviously, but I made way more in tips than I would have with minimum wage and no tips.
swordsmark
That referral program though…
gotigs
I've seen this before - the sheet is taped on the outside of the window over another one on the inside, most likely fake.
heimeyer72
Very good observation! (Unless the sheet on the back side would be a mirror image if the readable one. Not sure that's possible.)
Jupman
Lol tipped wage salary in SC is like $3.
harleybarley120
This is legit, wait staff really do only make $2.13 an hour and have to make up the rest in tips. Source- worked at restaurants for 5 years.
gotigs
I'm not saying that isn't a reality (and a horrible one), just that this specific example seems faked.
Shaodyn
Tips and an employee discount aren't benefits. They're basics. You might as well call pay a benefit.
TheOtherBoleynGirl
I recently saw a Burger King hiring sign with "allowance for uniform" listed as a benefit.
Lyrahani
And how can tip be listed as a benefits if it doesn't even come from your employer?
alsoAzrael
Honestly we need to just abolish the lower min wage for servers. You shouldn't get to outsource your labor costs to the customer like that.
KaJuN
Agreed. I'm a customer, not the company payroll department.
lljkstonefish
I mean, you should, but not indirectly. The price tag should be final.
moderninvasion
American's server wages are ridiculous, banking on tips for survival and to help business cut tax costs is ridiculous
moderninvasion
did I mention it's ridiculous?
TheKingOfTheJews
Sorry, but is that actually legal in America?
Nefel
Yes, positions that receive tips can receive less than the standard minimum wage - the employer must make up the difference if the tips dont
CrimeSceneShoe
Climb512
Plus tips. These jobs will make much in practice even at a low end place. A ton more at a high end one.
harleybarley120
Depends. High end servers usually do well. But with Applebee’s 2 for 20 deals and crap tippers I’d end up with maybe 40 bucks a day.
harleybarley120
I also got robbed. Left after a double with five bucks one time due to greedy other servers who were also underpaid. Management didn’t care.
IamNoOneToBeTrifledWith
Wages are taxed. So if someone doesn’t tip, serving them literally costs the server money.
TawdryMittens
As a server I've had to pay out tips at the end of the week to cover the taxes on my paycheck. This is 100% fact in Louisiana.
Lampmonster
Theoretically, they have to pay you enough to match minimum wages if your tips don't equal that. Good luck with a small business though.
StrongBadEMale
In practice, the first paycheck they have to do that, you're also terminated for "poor performance".
RackhamTheRed
"2.13" is oddly specific, no?
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arthurvanhoudt
That’s because they kinda “force” you to tip!! Come with larger group and I have seen 18% auto added to the bill!! CRAZY
TheBigBadBonerBiter
At Will employment is a bitch like that.
delphinart
You can see examples of it not happening in some Kitchen Nightmares. I think the notorious Amy's Baking Company were doing it or skimming
mysticarchives
My historical experience In practice was anybody who didn’t make at least minimum was fired due to ‘underperforming’
or0b0ur0s
Even if it does, mandatory nights & weekends for minimum wage is an insult.
penzick
I'm sorry but I worked hospitality for 30+ years. Nights & weekends industry standard. That's when people go out & servers make the most.
or0b0ur0s
I'm not proclaiming ignorance of that. But advertising tipped minimum with "mandatory overtime" is still insulting, "standard" or not. A >
or0b0ur0s
lot of inhumane, immoral & destructive shit has been "standard practice" throughout history. Doesn't mean we should put up with it.
alsoAzrael
Imagine working overtime on holidays and not even being sure that you'll go home with 7.25 an hour. You can't even rent an apartment on that
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alsoAzrael
Imagine knowing that whether or not your children eat dinner is dependent on the voluntary good will of random people who look down on you.
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slidewhistlesymphony
Unfortunately, this is the industry standard wage for wait staff. Their reasoning is that better service equals higher tips.
nanyatenyaa
Incorrect. The original reasoning came from the great depression, when the only option was to ask patrons to pay their servers.
nanyatenyaa
So the salary is from a period of time, when literally, no body had money and its still in place. Which is a fucking embarrassment.
Eyekatt
Not in Europe. And, at least for me, it'd be easier to provide good service if I didn't have to fight for my pay every day.
Pats0r
Thats what the owner of the restaurant keeps telling.. So you would believe it. Making ppl tip is a scam and yall fell for it.
Andbrie86
It depends on the state, each has its own law for servers.WA state, it's reg minimum wage +tips. Not minimum tip wage or what this shit is.
Djkb6718
What a shitty principle
DangerTrain
The "tip system" is idiotic. You want others to pay your employees for you while you pocket the money made. It's a hostage situation.
DangerTrain
What are you going to do? NOT pay tips? Then that only hurts the staff, not the owner.
disinformatique
It's modern slavery. I cant even call it under-employment JEEZ !!
areyouelonmusk
Fuck them and fuck the system
delphinart
People shit on the "flirty/overfriendly wait staff" trope but, can you blame them? They're forced into basically a hustle
delphinart
Of course that waitress flirted with your husband, Karen. She's trying to make more than $3/hr
TheNoggle
Tipping is dumb. I'd rather have a $15 burger than a $10 burger and be expected to tip $5. It's a bad system all the way through.
FreshWater13
Only in shitty states. West coast is all full minimum plus tips.
hairylifetimes
Oh yeah, and a lot of people eating out that don't like to tip, they think they shouldn't, it's the wait Ron's job.And people are just asses
CockKnocker2000
Deadshit
ping0s
I don't like to tip, but I'll do $5 minimum if it's just me and $5 got each additional person I'm with. (Usually just one or 2 more)
hairylifetimes
Good on you for doing the NG so
PraiseThePook
Most of the time I tip out of a feeling of responsibility rather than appreciation. I hate that feeling and it makes me angry at the owner
hairylifetimes
Unfortunate that we are obligated to pay their salary and the restaurants aldo
anyofmany
the US tip „system“ always grinds my gears… and then the not included taxes..
ArchMagos
Technically, the server is supposed to take care of the tip taxes themselves. But that feels like asking a lot when our tax system is >
anyofmany
yeah I meant the number on the recipe not including taxes- imagine this: you eat, you get a piece of paper saying 18,34€- you pay 18,34€…
anyofmany
in reality you would probably say „round up to 20€“ but you really don‘t have to- and often the tips don‘t even go to the waiter/waitress
ArchMagos
< purposely difficult to use.
TheGrantAlexander
I think they are referring to the fact that tax is not included int he price.
arthurvanhoudt
Exactly!
Oxymuncher
Yeah like at the store everything is advertised with the price not including tax and it’s really confusing
ArchMagos
Oh, yeah, that is annoying.
Vulkankaninchen
I thought there is an minimum wage?
Catitapillar
There is, but bc servers make tips, the boss is legally allowed to pay them less per hour based on the general idea tips will cover the gap.
Andbrie86
It depends on the state, each is different
Catitapillar
It's stupid, it puts the weight of financial survival of the server on the customer and studies have shown that better/friendlier 2/3
Catitapillar
service does not = better tips. There are a lot of Aholes that don't "buy" into tipping and blame the boss or the server as justification.
blitzCommunityBaroness
Yep.. which is the right way to view it.. expecting the customer, who may not have a lot of money to pay 20% on top of a meal is insane..
nanyatenyaa
But it IS the bosses fault. They should just pay their employees right and sell things at an economically sensible price.
zfournier16
Im sorry but if im paying 20 dollars for a 2 dollar meal that server better be taken care of....
blitzCommunityBaroness
Yeah if im not being sexually satisfied between courses I don’t understand your system
NotWelcomehere
But they aren't. That's why tipping is how they survive.
zfournier16
Because we let it be the reality so one person can live in a million dollar home while the rest of the conpany can hardly afford food....
NotWelcomehere
What the fuck kind of hyperagency do you think we have? You want it changed? Regulations need to be created or companies will continue.
brannana
Protections, not regulations. “Regulations” has a negative connotation in people’s minds. What they really are are protections
zfournier16
Yes and we need to stop multimillion dollar lobbying campaigns to do it
philstrum
$2.13!!?? Is this 50 years ago in a 3rd world country?
chessislife
You're an idiot.
kjettil
Yes it is, you only need to ask Norways foreign department.
retailmemedrone
Not 50 years ago. But it is the most developed 3rd world country. Poor public health and welfare programs, corrupt politicians 1/2
retailmemedrone
High levels of violence, and rape, police forces are corrupt, and poor public education systems. But hey Murica.
IIikethecutofyourjib
Mitch. McConnell.
Tyneedic
It's allowed in the waitressing business. The idea is they make up the difference in tips. If they don't owner kicks in up to minimum wage
lovingspace
I once asked a waitress how much she made and she told me 2.something (I forgot how much the something was). The rest, if any, was tips.
JDAB0
Nope. Restaurants have customers subsidize their worker wages with tips. Been this way since prohibition
vegivamp
It's definitely from a third world country, yes. Although tbf calling it that is an insult to some of the other third world countries.
MightyMouseTech
Well, it is the US sooooooooo, yes?
CrimeSceneShoe
When its a tipped position that's the base pay
Starfury42
Yes, we call it the United States of America.
CorgisIncorporated
You see they do this dumb shit like counting tips towards minimum wage, so they can get away with shit pay. Hated relying on tips.
illtakehisasstoredlobster
Sadly they won’t let a lot of servers get overtime even at that rate because of “service hours” being over. It’s weird and dumb.
flipj
From a 3rd world country: our minimum wage is monthly and no one advertises paying less than it. Has been like that since the 40s.
flipj
Also, night, overtime, weekends require extra pay. Denying them is a labour law violation, fines and possible criminal charges possible.
Huahue
In my country, minimum wage is 1625 eur (max 38hrs) + obligatory double pay on weekends and triple pay on weekend nights. And you keep tips.
chloramphenicolderivative
No it's just tip based. If you don't make up the difference they have to pay you minimum wage. If you get more tips you get to keep it.
Mechwarrior719
Very very few restaurants actually do this. And fewer restaurant workers are aware of it. Wage theft and food service go hand in hand.
chloramphenicolderivative
Depending on the place, the majority of restaurant workers would still prefer tips to a set hourly wage.
mysticarchives
That’s been roughly the “tip based hourly” rate for 20-30 years. That’s about was I was paid in 1997 as a waiter at Denny’s.
SarcasticComment
Yuo. 2010 as a server.
fullmetalstark
Same here as a busser around that time, only the tip portion was from whatever the wait staff was willing to share.
prettydumb
you dont know about restaurants do you
chessislife
it's better to make a sensational statement about the current state of victimhood than to understand any context beyond 160 chars.
Caliburn
Honestly, this tip wage thing, is pretty much a US only thing. Elsewhere we pay the same min wage for everyone.
Andbrie86
It depends on the state, some do minimum wage, and some do the minimum tip wage.
philstrum
23y as a restaurant worker in Australia. When I started as a trainee it was about $750pw and about $250pw tips
philstrum
Money aside, my soul was still sufficiently sucked from my living being in those years
Benadryllcumberpoop
No it’s the land of the ‘free’ today.
Chaoscillate
It's only some states that can do that for serving jobs
Benadryllcumberpoop
Then they’re not really ‘United’ are they?
Zega000
TheSealcubclubbingclub
Correction: the land of working for free!
Zega000
No, this is Patrick
Crispy4Skin
Land of the slaves
harleybarley120
Thats what I made waitressing at Applebee’s. You’re supposed to make up the rest in tips. I was always told If we made less than min wage >
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muchLongerUsername
From what I've heard from friends, trying to make them pay you the difference is a good way to get fired.
kaarbaakimgr
If you’re not making minimum wage through tips, you’re providing bad service and _should_ be fired.
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IamNoOneToBeTrifledWith
Spending too much money on goofy shit to hang on the walls instead of paying their employees.
Seedshot88
$2.13 is the Federal Tipped Minimum Wage. Check out Saru Jayaraman, she talks about how this practice dates back to the Civil War. 1/2
JustPissingAgainstTheWindYOLO
That doesn't make sense anyway...that's their motivation...wat ?
Seedshot88
Rich whites went to the UK and discovered tipping (which was given on top of your salary there). Freed slaves worked for tips only. 2/3
Seedshot88
This practice continued, and though min. wage has moved up, tipped never did once it got to $2.13. This, to cut it short, is bullshit.
Ardranor
Didn't prohibition also push it forward, restaurants losing alchohol sales doing it to cut back labor costs?
chloramphenicolderivative
If you don't get tips enough to make up the difference you still have to get minimum wage, so it's still essentially normal min wage.
sandwiches
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. By federal law if you don’t make at least minimum wage, then the restaurant has to make up the diff
Seedshot88
Though true, this is the wrong takeaway. Normal min wage is still not livable, especially in cities, where there are the most restaurants.
MutagenMan
Jesus I legit thought this was an exaggerated joke vacancy ad. You guys really need a revolution
Seedshot88
I disagree about the revolution, radical & violent change like that never really works out well for anybody. Get the Rs out and it's fixable
Davedavedavedavedave
$2.13/hr?
TheresnoDanaonlyZuul
I think Vegas does this too
fdinthea
"Tips"
Timmy79
bUt TIpS
FartingDragon
I'm from the balkans and even I find this outrageous
acatinbirdsclothing
Would you say that you're balking at these conditions?
delphinart
It's not fair at all, but it's misleading. It's tipped wages so it can be under the minimum wage.
YohjiMoll
Its still a bullshit way to pay your workers
delphinart
Agreed.
LiterallyLordSatan
I'm from Hell and I find this disgusting as well.
htapoicoS
Nice, to achieve Elon Musk's fortune you'd have to work 78 million years (30 days off per year). At no expenses of course.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
When I worked at outback the manager had adjusted every servers pay to $2.125. He was paid on the profitability of the restaurant.
or0b0ur0s
Technically, they have to pay the state minimum wage - currently a whole $1.15 over the federal minimum, at $8.65 - if tips don't cover >
harleybarley120
I commented this earlier, but I worked at Applebee’s for one miserable year and my boss would force us to report we made min wage even if >
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ExPFCWintergreen
That's wage theft and I would have absolutely reported it. Glad you're out of there now, but I'm sure they're still screwing others
harleybarley120
Oh I absolutely should have, but I had only my senior year of college left before I was outta there and i didn’t want to cause trouble. >
or0b0ur0s
the difference. So if you don't make at least $52.16 in tips during your 8-hour shift, they're supposed to pay you the difference. None of >
or0b0ur0s
that is remotely OK, mind you, just the technicality that allows them to pay that.
StupidFreakingName
My ex worked night shift at steak n shake. She got written up for "not claiming tips" on a night when she only had 2 customers and ~$2 tips
StupidFreakingName
Since they wrote her up for "not claiming tips," they didn't have to pay her.
TheSpindrifter
Florida and other slave wage "tipping wage" states that force servers to make less than minimum wage per hour, legally.
ColClone54
Alabama too. Anybody starting to see a pattern there?
badzomzie
Texas too. Figures.
BREED09
Colorado too. Part of why "tipping culture" is outrageous to me. I don't even go to restaurants because I don't like being guilty into + 20%
CanadianEngineer
Force them to have a lower wage or have a reduced minimum wage? (dont get me wrong, both are ridiculous but those are very different things)
GodadaBoof
I’ve met a lot of wait staff that would actually dislike having tips stopped because they make so much. I imagine that’s mostly higher end /
GodadaBoof
restaurants though. Doubt Applebee’s staff make more in tips than a livable hourly wage
themuttonisniceandlean
My husband worked at Chili's and made more being tipped than minimum wage, even though he prepped to-go orders and got tipped badly.
TheSpindrifter
So a tip-share environment? Waitstaff gets to "share" (ha ha forced to) the fruits of their labor with others who didnt actually direct earn
Zerteiler
How much they make through tips should be irrelevant to how much an employer should pay them to begin with.
theshinobi23
The loophole is that if your tips + hourly rate don't add up to minimum wage, they have to pay the difference. Still bullshit, though.
ColClone54
Because everyone in the restaurant and bar business always follows all the rules, all the time. cough, cough, wheeze, hack, cough...
LinkaAdoptsACouger
And if you regularly have to have your wage supplemented due to low turn out, they can fire you for low performance.
notsurewhatimdoinhere
But it’s over the course of a pay period if I made $30 on a 6hr Monday morning but $350 that Friday night they wouldn’t pay me more 4 Monday
DrArsMoriendi
You're right, but do they? If you 'need' the job, are you comfortable to ask your boss to give you more money?
techley
They don't.
TheSpindrifter
Okay hobopersun, go back to your cardboard box and enjoy the coming winter.
Harbltron
I don't know, do people "need" to pay their rent and eat?
DrArsMoriendi
Exactly, they do. Will they risk getting fired? Or a bad recommendation? That's why it shouldn't be allowed, they're in a subservient place
theshinobi23
Me, personally? I would've done it if my check came up short. Are there others that wouldn't? Absolutely. Do the employers and legislators
theshinobi23
Already know this, and implement it anyway? You bet your sweet ass they do.
TheSpindrifter
No employer ever does this: they tell you to make it up on the next shift and that it's your fault for not doing better.
theshinobi23
Not sure what timeframe the law gives, but the restaurants I've worked (in Va, in case state laws come up) did weekly, not per shift. 1/2
theshinobi23
No matter how good you are, some people aren't going to tip, and also there will be slow shifts with very few tables. Not advocating for it,
AJFred
In Illinois at least, it's legal to pay the difference, then take pay out of a future check that's over minimum wage until they get it back.
theshinobi23
Never heard that one before. Sounds like some bs they'd come up with, but do you have a source? Might be an interesting read for later.
AJFred
I worked at TGI Fridays and that would happen for slow periods.
EccentricNimoy
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/illinois-law-tipped-employees.html. doesn't mention tip credit like they said it was
TheSpindrifter
I lived it, albeit decades ago but from what I hear in passing in FL the practice is still very much alive and well.
ChristopherEvans1
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/florida-laws-tipped-employees.html Not in Florida. Either way employer is responsible for min wage 1
ChristopherEvans1
2 meaning employers have to meet minimum wage requirements if if tips don’t equal minimum wage of that state. Still fucked, but different.
TheSpindrifter
And they do everything in their power to avoid it at all costs and if it happens often they blame you instead of the customers and fire you.
AnneFlankinbot
This is true. I worked for dish network when they changed from hourly pay to a point system. Was $16 hourly down below minimum wage.
Davedavedavedavedave
That's bullshit.
TheSpindrifter
Yes, yes it really is and the practice needs to be ENDED. It always has been and always will be: no protection from undertippers or assholes
dohcohv
Unless tips don't meet minimum wage and then they have to pay minimum wage. Tipped jobs can make a lot, but I hate people too much.
dohcohv
SIL makes $1k/night bartending working 3 days a week on 8 hour shifts.
TheSpindrifter
This is so very rare; you basically have to be a career jobhopper to always be the "in demand" server at the next "happening place" every >
mastamage
Problem is, most people that work with shit tipping wages don't know about the law, or are afraid the boss sacks them