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Slimewire
Everyone go listen to _The Pill_ by Loretta Lynn.
weebs1397
And thus ended the baby boomers
ToneLock
if gop finds out these exist they are going to pro-life them as well.
dabard
Vasectomy at puberty, until you want to have kids. Thoughts?
LowlevelRebel
My daughter smashed her way past the pill. That 99% or whatever claim ain’t worth much when you suddenly have a kid.
MrMineHeads
Started the second wave of feminism too
mts81
Abortion is green and it should be free
ITryToOnlyRespondInGifs
Just have to put this here because
FreshNews247
To be safe that's when you give it to her ass.
palmo
At he pharmacy yesterday the woman in front of me for told she couldn't buy Plan B with her HSA because it didn't qualify. That's fucked up
snipplebipp
why don't more ppl get copper iud?
HelpfulCorn
It makes your periods much heavier and more painful. The hormonal on the other hand lightens or eliminates them.
SarahKercz
My parents both have 5 or more siblings. By the time I can around they slept in separate beds or rooms.
OrdaJokePrince
Ah yes the "good old days", let's not go back. Fuck those times
Astral134
A 4 year test? Were they accepting volunteers? “Thanks for helping us today. Try to get this woman pregnant. You get a cookie if you can.”
Astral134
And according to the article, no one got cookies ☹️
Ghostswalkwithme
My grandma asked her doctor to prescribe her some birth control pills and he said no because of religion, makes me sad for her
sphericalworld
@OP is there a high res version of that chart?
arianerd
Thank you feminism, now and forever❤️❤️❤️
corpofilth
That E in #1 is seriously bothering me
swagb98623
I noticed that. Is there some link between 3 and women we're not getting?
corpofilth
I guess if you tilt your head it looks like boobs?
swagb98623
I suspect that would be the last thing they would want to point out lol
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
The pill was absolutely unparalleled in the liberation of women.
zeanphi
#4 link : https://www.fda.gov/media/135111/download
TheAG
Man I read the first one as "British Control" and was lost for a while...
SoSorryImNotEvenCanadian
Nah man in the US, that anniversary is in 11 days
AFelineMassofEyes
"FreshNews" from 1960
SoSorryImNotEvenCanadian
"on this day" do you not understand anniversaries?
AFelineMassofEyes
I understand they happen every year
SoSorryImNotEvenCanadian
ooooooooooooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkaaaaaaaaaaayyyy sooooooooo every year lllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikkkkkkkee today in 2021
P0sterNutbag
Is there a source on the last image that has a few more pixels?
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Youhavinagiraffe
You sure it isn't Samuel L Jackson or Barack Obama or literally any other random black person?
FreshNews247
Doesn't look anything like him.
N0S4A2
Prince maybe? (yeah i know it is a stretch)
Sugarbritches21
I quite honestly thought it was Oprah Winfrey for a sec
tacopartyinyourmouth
I got my tubes tied back in 2019. It is an amazing thibg not to be held hostage by my biology
toomuchpokemon
Does that come with any side effects or risks aside from the procedure?
somethingodd
Small chance of adhesions or pregnancy (and increased chance of it being ectopic) is all I really know of. By far the most effective BC.
tacopartyinyourmouth
Pretty much only what the other person said. Very short recovery time, I also got a uturine ablation so I don't have a period either.
analnipple666
'grats on finding a dr who would do it, apparently this is super difficult
tacopartyinyourmouth
Took 4 docs and being laighed out of an office by one before I found one who took me seriously.
analnipple666
Are you in the US?
tacopartyinyourmouth
Yep. Right in the heart of the midwest where it's assumed that everyone with a uterus wants to be a mom of 2 by 25
analnipple666
Ugh sickening. It's so assbackwards here in so many important way, I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
AStrongFemaleCharacter
We are only fertile for a few days a month and men are fertile all the time, yet we are the ones burdened with the responsibility of BC?
DocWino
If men had a pill few babies would be born.
Sc2Argentum
It's biology and you already described it. Women have a cycle, so it turns on and off. You have a hormonal off switch to mimic. Men don't.
Sc2Argentum
That's why it's so much harder to develop birth control for men. There are spermicidal meds, but they are comparatively very unsafe.
shyasen
As a man who was raised by my single mom, 3 older sisters and sometimes grandma I never understood why this burden was put only on women.
NickAmazing
Condom.
teardropivyyearofthetiger
Nick Cannon is having 4 babies this year
Tron220
Not to justify it the existing arrangement, but men don’t ever get pregnant.
WouldIWasShookspear
As I've understood it, besides sexism, it's easier to 'disable' one egg/the womb vs a bunch of sperm reliably.
Sonicschilidogs
Well yeah, because women are the ones that allocate more resources during pregnancy and post-birth. They run the highest risk, so it makes
Sonicschilidogs
Since that they would be the most concerned from a biological perspective. Of course, that doesn't discount that men should also be careful,
Sonicschilidogs
But that is also the case, remember that condoms predate hormonal birth control by a few centuries, and latex condoms by a few decades.
AStrongFemaleCharacter
Oh trust me, I get that I have more skin in the game than our male counterparts. However, from a sociological standpoint, women can
AStrongFemaleCharacter
typically only get pregnant once every ten months, where as a man could potentially impregnate dozens of women a year. Shouldn’t society
VidiVeniThenSheLeft
It's no mystery why. Logistically, preventing a single egg from sticking to the uterine wall is easier than stopping millions of sperm. 1/
VidiVeniThenSheLeft
Especially as the sperm regens hourly. A 99% success rate on the former is nearly bullet proof, but a 99% success rate on the latter still2/
VidiVeniThenSheLeft
Leaves a lot of risk on the table. I'm not against male BC, just that the solution for it is inherently more complex. 3/3
TiddyMcGillicuddy
This. I also think men ought to share the cost burden for birth control in addition to the responsibility.
DocWino
And get a say about whether to have the baby or not. Agreed.
TiddyMcGillicuddy
When men gestate and birth infants they will get a choice.
DocWino
Pay for your own birth control then. Accept responsibility for your actions.
TiddyMcGillicuddy
Do women get pregnant by accident? No. It takes two to make a baby. Take ressponsibility.
Exsul
I think it should go a step further! Once universal healthcare is established, birth control should be covered.
Mewmus
you trust a horny guy to not lie to you?
AninOnin
I trust a horny guy far less than I trust a woman on her period. Far, far, FAR less.
GreySeasAbound
You know a lot of sexhavers are people in long term relationships...? Yeah I sure hope they would trust each other most of the time.
th1cklikesitth1cker
what I never understood about arguments against BC was the male motive; do straight guys just want like 15 kids or some shit? i dont get it
intelligentplanet
Some men truly believe having many children shows the world they are virile and manly.
th1cklikesitth1cker
yuck, who wants to see a bunch a kids and think, damn zaddy fucks?
darkdragonempress
Random bit, but there’s been studies finding a women is more drawn to men with opposite immune systems but when pregnant she’s drawn 1
darkdragonempress
Towards those with similar immune systems. The thought process is that when breeding she wants a partner that will provide a well rounded 2
darkdragonempress
System. But once pregnant her body wants her to stay around her family so they will take care of her. So it might be a slight hold over 3
darkdragonempress
From evolution that they just don’t think about the kids happening because originally her family often tended to her. 4
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
They often haven't been burdened by the raising of such kids.
tychog99
#2 way to make The Pill look attractive; for the price you pay for the bastards this is the least you could do for the girls!
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foxtale11
Mine is a rectangle in a little blue slip case like a vhs sleeve
Itsnotraining
That's what my birth control always looked like (stopped taking it 5 or 6 years ago)
DoakMD
Out of interest (and ignorance). How much do you pay for them? I'm in the UK so they are free here.
BooksBooksBooksBooksBooks
Back in like 2010, the one I was on was about $75 a month without insurance. But I'm not sure if that's common.
myFingernailsWiggle
It’s now free in the states too! Became free under the Affordable Care Act in 2011
SalmySwims
Before the Affordable Care Act, my BC costed more than my ADHD meds
DoakMD
Ridiculous that either carries a cost. Do you still have to pay for your ADHD meds or is that also covered now?
SalmySwims
Yeah, I still have to pay. It's actually ridiculously expensive now, instead of just a $20-$30ish copay
DoakMD
That's so shit. Sorry you have to deal with that.
tychog99
They're free here too, but I know of places where stuff like this is a rob out your body, much like tampons and stuff
Ninepie
Next, birth control pills for men.
Joshrow92
It exists already, it’s called a condom.
D20dealer
I'm absolutely all for it.
mygodthisismy2ndaccount
Yes please!! My birth control has wrecked my system uppppp. I had to stop after 16 years on birth control.
Koztah
I have been watching Vasalgel for like a decade now. Why is it taking so long?
BobaFettApproves
I would take it!! ….. Can’t even feel much with condoms, it really sucks.
Ifuckedarubbercunt
Better to take the bullet out of the gun than to shoot a "bullet proof" vest
Iwouldbenick
I really don't like how my GF has to deal with 100% of the burden. Let me kill the sperm at the source.
Foxsayy
Better yet: Vasalgel. Nonhormonal, 100% effective in tests. https://www.revolutioncontraceptives.com/vasalgel/
DemogorgonDog
They have one in India I believe, called an RISUG
DemogorgonDog
Well it’s not a pill, but injected
jasari
I'm more excited for the (NES/T) kinda like the male version of an an IUD just get a procedure and then another one to undo it.
bogocol2
Yes please!
Fuckme721
I'm a guy. I'd LOVE to have that option.
mohavewolfpup
I call it depression, and lots of it. Kills many drives to do anything!
burlyqlady
I know right, plus who needs birth control when you've got antidepressants! Good luck getting horny as a zombie
lookingOknaked
I would freaking love that! I mean, after I make a second one, I'm getting The Snip™, but it would be nice till we decide on that step.
WOLayEsq
Just get one of the erasers from a mechanical pencil and block your chap up.
sykoticflaw
It's a lot easier and safer to take the bullets out of the gun, rather than fire into a bulletproof vest.
Howdoesonehuman
Why are some men so against this? I imagine many of them don't want kids and would love to not have to wear condoms..
Troubledyooth
I play magic the gathering, does that count?
njjb00612
No they wouldn't approve those cuz men had mood swings and other side effects women have been complaining about for years... babies.
angryjumbus
They tried that, and the complications in the trial run were not fun. Then men became targets for hate bc they couldn't handle the s.e.'s
ACheekyBrit
100%, it would allow for us guys to equally share the contraceptive burden I'm all for it .
SusiLassi
We already have those, they are called 7,62×51 mm
PolarHailStorm
An infusion would be better. One shot every 1/3/6 months to neutralise sperm capacity and we're golden.
Aboutasbad
They're coming out with a gel we spread on our arms and it's supposed to be pretty effective.
khora
We already don’t birth.
FlameInfernoh
If you tell us we can't have abortions, then we can tell you to take a fucking pill you misogynistic prick.
Ninepie
You participate.
khora
Well, I don't.
TheDouche
That would be fantastic, but to stop production of millions of speem is considerably more complicated than preventing implantation of egg
rhettrow
That is pretty much what an MD told me. Easier to manage one egg a few days per month than thousands of sperm daily.
FlameInfernoh
Ya...too bad we are not allowed to get rid of that egg after implantation anymore...maybe you should fix that...then we will talk.
TheDouche
There is no natural hormone that turns off sperm production, unlike that which turns off egg attachment.
GreySeasAbound
Stupid downvotes. You are correct. Stopping male fertility temporarily is way more complicated which is why we don't have the option yet.
GreySeasAbound
I would love that option and it can't happen soon enough but there's a good reason it hasn't happened yet.
maststick
I would take one if I could. Last time I looked into it the trials they had done went horribly horribly wrong, I we’re still a way away
Rainbowdaesh
There already is one, but the side effect is that you violently throw up when you have any alcohol.
nymeara
Side effects also include permanent infertility and suicide for the current in testing male pill birth control
Rainbowdaesh
That's a different one.
FlameInfernoh
Better than violently getting cancer if you smoke while on it.....
Percevaus
Smoking gives you cancer regardless though..
ransomjelly
Lol I’m sure they’d go for that
Rainbowdaesh
Literally why it's not approved birth control. It is given to people who have had too much to drink though.
AC1D1C
I wish more people would understand how important this is. For guys there is almost no easy alternative. My sister has an IUD that lasts 10
TjD1974
There is, just use condoms its not rocket science
AC1D1C
It's not always comfortable, there has to be a better option.
TjD1974
Do you know the " Mysize" Line of condoms? Helped me a lot
AC1D1C
Years and I have an arm implant that lasts 3 years. Guys deserve the same
AC1D1C
(of course I do understand it's a bit more complicated than that, it's very different, but there should be more awareness at least?
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Well unfortunately the current most practical contender I've seen for long term removable male birth control similar to the IUD 1/2
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Is one a lot of men seem opposed too. Its just a needle you would likely need to be unconscious for so you don't move. The needles 2/3
GreySeasAbound
IUDs and implants are great but not "easy" for tons of women. My IUDs were torture. 2 friends stopped implants because of constant bleeding.
AC1D1C
Sorry to hear you had trouble as well ):
AC1D1C
Oh yeah, I absolutely know. I had one till last week for a year and a half, the initial cramps never left and I was in pain every day
FoxySpirit
Copper chains are no good too?
GreySeasAbound
I'm unfamiliar with that term
mooserunningwater
That's what I'm currently using until they let me get snipped. It's been more problematic than it's worth tbh
Youhavinagiraffe
I think relatively few women would be comfortable entrusting birth control responsibility to men
mooserunningwater
I don't think so. I think we'd jump at the chance to not fuck our shit up while also feeling safe from unwanted pregnancies
Youhavinagiraffe
I'd be a fine extra layer of protection but I can't imagine it'll ever have the same uptake
ransomjelly
Agreed. It’s not a good comparison but it makes me think of relying solely on someone else to take your meds (not in a caretaker situation)
Meikhaila
vice vera for men trusting women 100% with it. It takes two. Some women do 'trap' men with unwanted pregnancies. My nephew was born bc of it
AnimeisCancer
His mom sounds just wonderful to be around
imemmental
If only. I can’t take hormonal contraceptives (got a tumour) so if my bf could take them instead, we wouldn’t have to use condoms
imemmental
Instead, we could only use condoms, and now I’m 6 months pregnant!
AnimeisCancer
VCF with condom, if you get pregnant it’s the universe’s will at that point
imemmental
What’s VCF?
AnimeisCancer
It’s like a spermacide and film that goes in before sex
mooserunningwater
But it wasn't what they wanted. Which is the point.
AnimeisCancer
I’m saying always use two forms of contraceptives
mormacil
That's gonna require an even bigger cultural shift.
FlameInfernoh
They have them!!! With fewer side effects than for women!!! Men stopped the release!!!! ARRRRRGHHHHH!!!!
ImgursLibertarian
Source?
PastaLaPizzaBaby
I would eat that shit like skittles
cutebunnies
Not true. In many Western countries polls show that about 60-70% of men would consider taking the pill depending on Side effects.
mormacil
They also show that the majority of women don't trust their male partners with contraceptives. While they approve of the product they 1/2
DiedAndHauntingImgur
To be fair I sometimes forget to apply deodorant to both sides so….. yeah I get it
mormacil
You don't think women forget to take the pill? :P
mormacil
expressed a desire to not rely on it unless it was in a long term committed relationship. 2/2
PirateRubberDuck
Which is fine. Give people options and they can choose the best one for them.
ropetopus
the whole thing of having male contraceptive is both parties having the ability to take precautions if they don't want to be parents 1/…
LizLittle
Like the ones that weren't approved because of side effects, when they had fewer side effects than female birth control pills?
angryjumbus
That's some radfem "didn't look into it" rhetoric there. Plenty of people have said that the side effects varied and some more severe.
grubben
Iirc, the Male birth control pill suppresses testosterone which reduces FSH and LH to reduce sperm production. While female is increased p
grubben
Progesterone, to simulate fertilisation without fertilisation occurring. The male birth control pill was less effective, although results
grubben
Were unclear. This is because trials had to be stopped due to the mental health effects it had. Think body builders post steroid use.
grubben
I agree that a male birth control pill would be wonderful and is necessary, but to say that DMAU had fewer side effects is totally wrong.
njjb00612
Yeah, because men aren't used to having to feel like physical shit all the time and accept it
PurpleNinjas
This should be top comment. Now say it louder for the people in the back!
NotWelcomehere
@ the risk of being destroyed by DVs, and without adequate space, no not at all. The pill was approved JUST before more stringent FDA rules1
keoghberry
As a suggestion - when writing multiple comments, reply to each comment and build a chain instead of all replies to the original comment
NotWelcomehere
I know the convention, I think it's dumb. I want to be able to see all comments not click click click over and over again. Hence the numbers
NotWelcomehere
No, not at all. 6
NotWelcomehere
became the official rules. It's not that "men couldn't do what women could" which reinforces toxic masculinity btw, so long story long 5
NotWelcomehere
other terrible side-effects (yes ones that are experienced by women on the pill which is why the aforementioned FDA rule-tightening is 3
NotWelcomehere
important. The new pill simply could not pass those guidelines while the female pill is grandfathered in since it took place BEFORE that 4
NotWelcomehere
and was largely pushed forward before that deadline by Women's Lib movements, the more recent male pill caused a suicide, infertility, and 2
nymeara
I’m for male birth control but the most recently tested one caused side effects like permanent infertility and suicide “fewer side effects”
arianerd
Look up cerazette. That's what made me quit pills forever. Suicidal thoughts all the times. I was terrified. They're prescribed at 16yo.
FlameInfernoh
Also, not the pill, but many other ways of stopping conception may result in infertility for WOMEN!!!! DOUBLE STANDARDS!!!! ARRRRGHHHHH!!!
GreySeasAbound
Like which?
OhCookieUrSoFineUBlowMyMind
Yes depression and suicidal thoughts are known side effect of the pill I take...yay
LizLittle
I get that it's really bad, but I honestly do think it's way better than what women go through.
keoghberry
Ok permanent infertility is obviously a big nono, but you do realise a LOT of women get suicidal thoughts/ideation from birth control right?
HeartsAndStars
10 yrs on the pill and I had no idea it was exacerbating my pre-existing depression. I just thought I wasn't "tough enough." Fuckin terrible
LizLittle
The #1 side effect of any medication is outage that other people have been feeling that okay for free since birth while you've felt bad
Hooliehan
Not to mention the wieght gain
HeartsAndStars
And the cystic acne that was disfiguring and PAINFUL while on the pill and left me with pits and scars 10 years later.
RelevantImgurian
It was cancelled for a couple of reasons. It was 96% effective, condoms are 99.99% effective so it was essentially obsolete from day one and
RelevantImgurian
If I remember correctly one Dude killed himself ( I could be wrong). Whilst women’s contraceptives do have awful side effects too, they
RelevantImgurian
were developed at a time when medical standards were much lower they should of course be reformulated to rid of effects (they are sometimes)
GuessMyDickSizeWinAPrize
I've seen this around a lot, but I'm not sure if it's as simple as that. If you released safe male birth control to the market it should 1
GuessMyDickSizeWinAPrize
be readily-available everywhere because that's how a company maximizes profits. It would be foot-stomped by doctors to men when they bring 2
GuessMyDickSizeWinAPrize
up sex in a medical setting the same way it is for women. I don't think it's a deep-seated conspiracy or that it is available but men are 3
GuessMyDickSizeWinAPrize
too cowardly to take it, I think it's just not ready to be safely distributed to millions. If they didn't think men would take it, then 4
ransomjelly
This burns me up. Men I know & care about and care about me have said they would never participate in men’s birth control because they’ve
ransomjelly
not been tested enough. I’m like how do you expect that to happen? What do you think women
ransomjelly
did?!? No one has an answer. My husbands not interested either & so we decided neither of us would take hormonal birth control. Barrier
ransomjelly
methods for us.
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hoofbeatsandsnowflakes
However, the benefits to women are HUGE! The benefits to men are low enough they can say no
moonnoodleface
Men should care just as much about not creating unwanted children.
hoofbeatsandsnowflakes
For women though bc gets you less killer periods, less pms, less acne and all that. So it's why we tolerate side effects more
moonnoodleface
Not always. Not all women get less killer periods, less pms, or less acne. some womens only benefit is no pregnancy.
TheFactivist
I’ll say it. This little pill lifted us from servitude. My grandma either had to not have sex, stay home and raise kids, or work & have kids
ITryToOnlyRespondInGifs
I know an older woman who didn’t even want to “grandma” bc she resented being forced to have kids:(
Youhavinagiraffe
I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that it's one of the most socially impactful inventions of the last century
TheDarkestPretzel
The downvoters though...
GreySeasAbound
My grandma would agree. She said it was the most important invention of the 20th. She got pregnant and married at 21... Prob not by choice
zenbu007
Are you suggesting she was forced to have relations or was just not into condoms?
GreySeasAbound
She lived in a tiny isolated place. Contraception was repressed, abortion punishable by death, plus condoms requires male cooperation.
korfjoy
That’s why Christians don’t want you to have it. It’s about control over women
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korfjoy
I don’t hate individual Christians. However it is American Christianity and Catholic practice to demonize and put money towards control
artemisandorion
There’s a lot of incels that would be really put off by not being included here.
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monimoomo
My great grandmother has 13 children. Fucking 13 kids! Just because she loved boning my great grandfather. Can you imagine?!
StripTheFleshSaltTheWound
Mine did too. Only one boy out of the bunch.
monimoomo
My great grandmother had 5 daughters before she had her first son.
avastmehearty
Did they all survive? My great uncle died at 18 months in 1903 from polio. People lost a lot of kids back then
monimoomo
My oldest great uncle died in WW2. The rest lived to old age, including my grandmother who was 12th of 13.
avastmehearty
That is amazing!
TheFactivist
I got to have the freedom to pursue my studies and work and be in a relationship at the same time.
TheFactivist
I’m absolutely feeding on the two people that downvoted my freedom to have a career and a be in a long term loving relationship without kids
AStrongFemaleCharacter
It fucking did. I recall being horrified when my mom told me that her grandmother, who had seven children, had her “uterus fall out.” I
SalmySwims
Prolapses are the stuff of nightmares
mydogisbetterthanyourdog
As are 4th degree tears. Terrifying
AStrongFemaleCharacter
had to look that up because it seemed exaggerated but no. The indignities we have suffered….
imabigasstree
My grandmother only gave birth 3 times and her uterus also "fell out". It's not just having lots of babies. There're other underlying issues
AStrongFemaleCharacter
I’m sure the seven pregnancies didn’t help.
greentights
I would also say that there's severe lack of practical education on our own bodies. There's signs that your body gives when you're fertile
WowSoSparkly
aka the calendar / rythm method, shockingly unreliable.
greentights
No. I'm talking about using basal body temperature. There's tons of papers on it. See Billings, Rotzer, and Marshall rule
WowSoSparkly
yep, it's a great and easy method when you actually want a pregnancy.
greentights
women have avoided pregnancy for eons before the pill as well. it's just gotten easier to get better results for those who can take it
rowingrowingrowing
As someone who got pregnant at 21 using the basal temp/ovulation charting “birth control” method, those signs are highly unreliable.
greentights
It doesn't work for everyone but it makes it a lot easier for those who are unable to take hormones
PaleAsFuck
Condoms?
wompwompwomp
I can’t take hormones and I have a paragaurd IUD. Cycle tracking is more useful for getting pregnant than avoiding it
greentights
Can use for both. Most important is taking temperature at the same time each day. I've tried IUD, but my body rejected it twice
rowingrowingrowing
Yeah, alas, I followed ALL the instructions to the letter (temp twice a day, checked my mucus, charted, etc) still got pregnant.