kumarajeet21
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150 of them were children.
Why is the world in silence now?
Feb 24, 2018 9:32 PM
kumarajeet21
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150 of them were children.
Why is the world in silence now?
WeaponizedJerk
Was on the news today for me, what are you talking abuot
Leithreas
No one tell him about Yemen.
NotAMorningPerson
Should other countries get more involved in a civil war? What if other countries more actively helped the Confederacy in the US Civil War?
OfficialJoeBiden
1. The world isn’t quiet, the media has been covering this. 2. These photos AREN’T EVEN RECENT. 3. Get off your high horse.
FairyTailToo
Also not from syria
shootan
Only the top image is from Ghouta. The second image is from Qamishli, which was a result of an ISIS bomb, the second is from the battle of 1
shootan
mosul and the fourth image is of Israel bombing gaza. If you're going to spread propaganda at least do it right.
Zerogates
That third picture is nearly a year old at least. It's also from Iraq. Not sure about those tags...
Imightbetrolling
You can't fear monger US citizens about shit happening in a place that doesn't matter to the majority of the US population.
gimpycat
That last picture is from at least 4 years ago and isn't even Syria.
codenameRadical
We're not supposed to invade. We're not supposed to be silent. We're not supposed to choose sides. So ... what?
NCPBullet
Olympics bro
Rapturr
PennFifteen
If this is serious comment, I don't think its much of a distraction. The ratings are quite low
Theverant
Fairdinkums
You wait till the commonwealth games then Australia will take revenge on everyone from the winter Olympics!
ImGooder
The what now?
evergreentt
It's happening just down the road from me. Also me: the what now?
NothingButGoodVibes
Because this shit happens every fucking day in the Middle East.
manulofdoom
Like american school shootings?
NothingButGoodVibes
More than American school shootings. There is more genocide being committed daily in the Middle East than all our school shootings combined.
manulofdoom
It's an actual war after all. But, -5? I struck a nerve here, didn't I?
NothingButGoodVibes
I'm not sure I understand your question.
Mcknizzle
It’s not in silence...
ShootYourGooMyDude
Considering all the news I've been hearing about it, the world is definitely not in silence.
nicepersonbadbreath
It's not in silence literally front cover of the papers this morning in tesco get off your high horse and fuck off you self righteous todger
senorsamuel
@OP using imgur as your only news source isn’t a bright idea. Like bud said above. Get off your damn high horse.
thelastpistachio
By "the world" it's most likely this person means "the United States' media machine."
Sekolah
That's an way answer, if it doesn't make money for the people who own the media then it does not get shown
NauticalRimJob
Still dumb because news outlets are covering the fuck out of it in America. It's all over CNN and FOX.
ThisNameIsUsed
Cause the world is a fcked up place and you should kiss both your hands daily for you to be so lucky that your country hasn't been invaded!
zyxzevn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vNwe7yKbwo
SomewhatSoberSometimes
why kiss my hands?
tortillaboy
For sure man. People complain way too much. "Oh, i dont have the latest iphone" waaah!!!
morethanamouthfull
If they weren’t killed by an AR-15 apparently few people care.
InsidiousExperimental
Oh, bugger off.
JohnnyDS60
So mount up, strap up and go merc there.
OverpricedCrayon
Why does it have to be one or the other, why not both?
DawnofAzazel
Newsflash people on the otherside of the world don't care about that either it happens with boring regularity.
DoublevBomb
It's more likely they'd be written off an an acceptable loss, and then people who could change that pivot to demonizing {name it}.
ohDannyBoi
The one of the man carrying his daughter is not a recent photo. It's from last year.
chunkblaster
you havn't even told us what happened tho
Aethex
The world is silent because Iran and Russia(mainly Russia) support Syria and no one will talk about US supporting Syrian rebels. Proxy War!
zyxzevn
About proxy war propaganda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vNwe7yKbwo
shootan
you may want to look in the OP and do a reverse image search, it's pretty fucking disgusting
c00lh4nd
Including The same rebels that include those the US is at war with..
FitWatStar
Tragic indeed, yet still no reason to relocate these people in europe. Most parts of Syria are safe, former refugees already move back home.
theyar
ITT: a bunch of dumbasses who don't know anything, starting their comment with "because" followed by some ignorant cliché.
Jamesly139
I cannot physically do anything. I'm helpless. This is awful and now I feel guilty. The world sucks ass-balls.
FairyTailToo
So many foreigners joined ISIS and the "rebels". Just try harder
Huldra
Yeah. I agree with you. I turns into a numb feeling.
PunJedi
By existing in a better place and not taking it for granted is the best some of us can do.
AmirGarib
Also not to vote for right wing dumbasses.
CaptainChris
Serious question: What can I do to help?
L84Work
You can donate to funds like Inara that help bring medical aide to the children. It's just a bandaid solution to a larger problem...I know
scubachubby
go there, care for them, rescue them. honestly idk.
mobiustwo
We need stricter explosive laws.
Hybris51129
It's my right to own air dropped munitions! /sarcasm
jabadahbutt
Fucking savage
UsuallyComments
This crushes my heart.
manulofdoom
You'll get used to it.
a07joshuajj
the girls in the duck sweaters looked like my little sister when she was their age...i have no words
Syrmerlin
The last time the US fought a war to depose an Arab dictator, we got bitched out globally, but we aren't allowed to not be involved either.
BigSnicker
There's an easy rule. If the UN says it's a just war to defend innocents, you're not gonna get bitched out, and you'll do some good. Try it.
BigSnicker
Love the downvotes approving unilateral war. Let's see how you feel when China starts doing it.
gurimalla47
Weapons of mass destruction, you said? You guys were warned; you are opening a can of worms.
ImAFoxButNotReally
Cough...cough...* oil*...cough...cough...
Bob570
Except that there isn't very much oil in Syria...
ImAFoxButNotReally
Last intervention in middle east there was. That was what I was talking about .
Bob570
Nope. There wasn't.
ImAFoxButNotReally
Well...https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/20/iraq-war-oil-resources-energy-peak-scarcity-economy
LiquidAurum
Lol yeah that was your intention, liberating people from the dictators that the US propped up because they were Pro-US at the time
Syrmerlin
So we have to do this bombing shit instead, which makes us look terrible to the locals, and Putin gets to play his little game, knowing that
Syrmerlin
despite being unable to fight us directly, he can get away with it because there are actions we are unwilling to take. Meanwhile, the human
Syrmerlin
crisis has gone on so long as to seem intractable, and compassion fatigue has set in worldwide. All that aside, what do you expect the
Syrmerlin
average civilian to do about it? We don't dictate foreign or military policy, and we certainly don't control foreign bad actors.
zippydee
Lol, get rid of Hussein, create the conditions for ISIS to exist, and still consider yourselves the good guys. Brave, that's some narcissism
OverpricedCrayon
Syria is a shit sandwich, there's no positive outcome no matter what happens.
Begotten
Well the US and the Gulf arab kingdoms are the reason this all started
thisguy79
That area has been a hot bed of conflict since the beginning of time. It's a bit small minded to just blame them.
Begotten
Allow me to direct your attention in the direction of Exhibit A:
somepersondoingsomethings
Even if you believe this, you omitted Russia as part of the reason.
Begotten
Because the comment I was replying to was not about Russia
MerToo
wait I thought you said it was to find WMDs you and Bliar both knew were effectively non-existent? Thou revisionist!
Syrmerlin
You are confusing the pretext for a war with the motives of one.
somepersondoingsomethings
We went in to get Saddam out. That was the goal. They sold it by saying wpns programs were out of control. Goal was still to remove Saddam.
WeaponizedJerk
I mean doing that caused a lot of shit afterwards, so yeah obviously you got bitched out globally.
Syrmerlin
We didn't create the situation in the Middle East, we just tried to fix it and failed. Blame Britain and France arbitrarily carving it up.
Slasher2977
There's a saying where I come from. If you aren't willing to fix an issue don't bitch about how someone attempts to fix it.
Syrmerlin
lemonysword
And we utterly fucked the country. Then did it again with Libya. Why should we depose Assad?
Syrmerlin
Because this half-assed shit isn't working out, and just walking away isn't an option.
lemonysword
We can walk away. Syria is not our business nor our problem. Russia is invited by Assad to help fight Isis.
lemonysword
Wonder why the downvotes. do you guys really think we should be attacking a sovereign nation and their guest because ....?
lemonysword
Why should we attack Russian mercenaries and Syrian troops in Syria? Our fight should be against Isis at the very least. Not the regime
bipinvsnl2
The number of down votes on the slightest anti US comment shows how much people are in denial to see US is responsible too.
lemonysword
Its interesting. People know nothing of Libya. It had the highest standard of living on the entire continent of Africa before we “helped”
lemonysword
They are doing a decent job, so why should we create tensions? Why should we shoot down Syrian aircraft inside Syrian airspace?
27yoUGLYvirgin
Are you serious? You got bitched out because you lied. You invaded Iraq because of your arms industry and a made up threat. Had you done
27yoUGLYvirgin
it and said from the start it's simply to remove the dictator and free the people, hmm maybe it would have been a tad different, huh?
somepersondoingsomethings
It was quite often both. I even saw arguments back then that Saddam was a "decent" leader. Give me a break.
27yoUGLYvirgin
What kind of person said that?
somepersondoingsomethings
https://www.cnbc.com/id/100988078 Just 5 years ago, pretty much "Saddam as bad, but Iraq was relatively peaceful and safe"
donttouchmybunny
The world is silent because in order to stop it would be a fight with russia. Thousands would die and pontentially start ww3. Lesser evil?
DanielFromDenmark
Fuck russia then
Fleaofpain
momoforpresidenrt
No, it would just mean stop funding terrorists that are doing this and let russia and Syria deal with it.
imgurisgo
Russia and Syria are the ones openly bombing civilians, so is that what you mean by DEAL WITH IT?
WhyShouldILoveYou
Threat of WW3? Didn't stop the US fighting the Soviets by proxy for over 50 years did it?
JustANoobOnImgurWithOneCat
& the US has done nothing but give everyone flowers & help Syria become a peaceful nation like it was 7 yrs ago before the US started this
GenitalWars
The coalition is already out there. The governments are aware. It just didn't make the tv news here.
ZapaN99
I'm sure all of syria's civilians are super happy to hear that governments are aware
DaShanghaiKid
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LuffyDmonkey1
Yes
LuffyDmonkey1
In the eyes of those in power it will always be. Just the truth bro, because the ends "might" justify the means so to speak, for them.
Sheldonian
This, sadly this is a very politicized conflict to aid or not, it means choosing a side. It really sucks and it's one of those moments 1/
Sheldonian
When you realized how shitty can things get because of egos, power and money at a global scale 2/2
TiGRIOSindustriesRnD
“Phase 2 may be a very rough thing. May be very, very unfortunate for the world.” Our leader, regarding North Korea, on Friday.
Sheldonian
Very scary stuff knowing who said it
UrsaUrsa
Sooo, Fallout: Offline confirmed?
DirectorBright
I mean what could we even do? The only thing I can think of would be to basically take the place over and impose martial law for fucks sake.
DirectorBright
We can't just take everyone from the country and drop them in America, we don't have enough jobs for them all and culture shock'd fuck em.
DirectorBright
Can't just nuke the current government, because every time we've done that another fucking dictator shows up in the chaos.
DirectorBright
Can't wipe out any insurgents because despite having the largest military in the world it's fucking impossible to find them all.
bobziIIa
Too bad a neutral military couldn’t just go in and keep the peace. We could call them peacekeepers.
imuglyandimproudd
Idk I wouldn't mind some hot ass arabs over here.
Saberlithian
Back to the corner with you!
J0joTheIdiotCircusBoy
Had a gf decide that we were no longer compatible after I took this stance on the topic. She refused to see that side of it.
ClassyFreddyGlassy
So you're saying she's single...?
lifeisfineanddandy
Can a gif decide now?
c0smicj0ker
I feel like when people say "the world is silent" they mean the western media isn't bringing enough attention to what's happening
c0smicj0ker
And I agree. It's very sad that western media has turned to telling only the stories that "sell". The faces of those in Syria should be seen
c0smicj0ker
Daily. We should witness more stories about those that are providing aid, and what we can do as citizens of other. Countries to help
c0smicj0ker
We should not be settling for brief mentions because "it's been going on forever" or whatever other reasoning is always given.
c0smicj0ker
The struggle of these civilians, and the assault on innocent people by the Assad regime should not be brushed aside as it is ( specifically
Dowr
Millions, potentially BILLIONS would die. Ultimately this conflict wasn't started by us so there's no point getting involved.
Wolvenlight
That depends on the scale of the problem. If it leaks over into the rest of Europe (which it arguably has) involvement is inevitable.
Mokelzwerg
Yes, let’s just flush our humanity down the toilet. Glad US didn’t act this way in WW2. As a German: Thank you.
Dowr
That isn't the same thing. The US was directly attacked, it had to respond. Syria has not directly attacked US and intervening is a bad idea
Mokelzwerg
No, but the situation in Syria is a direct result of US foreign policies
Dowr
We can't just start intervening in every country because "it's the right thing". We would just make things worse.
Mokelzwerg
You are probably right. But the USA started this whole mess with the Iraq war. Time to take responsibility
Dowr
The Iraq war did have an influence on Syria but the civil war was still a result from decades of the Assad regimes dictatorship and...
Dowr
2: the civil war was a by product of the Arab spring, an event the US, again, didn't start.
helldrax11
To end it you would have to invade Turkey Iran Saudi Arabia Qatar and a number of other war sponsors
nightof11bangbangs
The us already has troops in qatar? And the saudis are an ally of the us atm.
helldrax11
Hasent stopped them funding, arming and sending Islamic fighters. The us and uk troops were in the north and south of Syria.
nightof11bangbangs
Im not saying they are a good ally, fuck we are allied with pakistan. Yet guess where bin ladin was found...
ItsUncleSam
Oh just you wait. When Saudi Arabia runs out of oil they’re fucked.
MajorPubes
Ahem http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-mercenaries-testing-us-lost-300-troops-reports-2018-2
DuckPlanetKing
They weren’t real russia soldiers and they were not expecting American firepower either.
MidlandRedux
Yep. Apparently the attack was ordered by a restaurant owner who runs ops for Putin. Pretty stupid of him. Got a lot of people killed.
Keydan
Russian command din't care, as US asked if it's ok to take action and they were ok with it. Mercs don't enjoy same respect as soldiers.
MajorPubes
Ur not wrong.these mercs gives Russia the ability to hide their involvement and conceal their losses tho. The US has done it as well (Iraq)
iHveNoCleverName
Realistically the US has the most battle hardened and experienced military force out there. Ain't much of a shock.
TokyosNotFarEnough
So modern Russian Military Contractors = Great Britain's Hessians in the American Revolution?
tracereading
Nope. For one the Hessians were an organized fighting force.
TokyosNotFarEnough
Gotcha. Thanks!
Jlevender72
Americans are tired of toppling dictators, then getting blamed for everything bad that happens afterwards. That's the biggest difference.
LennyWeisstein
Because if Americans didn't touch them in the first place those places would be ok? But yeah, oil and influence.
LennyWeisstein
Funny how I'm getting downvoted, I wonder how many of downvoting ones know any Libyans or non-Kurdish Iraqis WHO remember better times.
cpnbeeb
Imgur is full of imperialist nationalist Americans that cannot stand anything remotely critical said of the country.
cpnbeeb
And here they come.
LennyWeisstein
I want to think it is only ignorance. Propaganda is strong with their news and culture, Hollywood especially.
Syrmerlin
TiGRIOSindustriesRnD
Well, when we're the ones INSTALLING them half the time (Nicaragua, Iran, Afghanistan)...
Groobs03
So the answer would be to stay out of it? Or is that what we are angry about with Syria? Damned either way.
TiGRIOSindustriesRnD
Except we CAN'T stay out of it, because in our own eyes, we're Team America: World Police. Sovereignty of nations means nothing to us.
Groobs03
I don't see us DIRECTLY toppling Assad currently, which is the point of this post right? Angry because we are doing nothing.
TiGRIOSindustriesRnD
Case in point, from yesterday: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/trump-i-may-punish-the-entire-world-for-north-koreas-sins.html
animecommunist
Pretty much every American military adventure since the 1960s has ended poorly. I think we just suck at doing war
HomeboyHoratio
Nah I'd say the U.S. is really good at war. We go in fuck shit up. The problem is we don't stay around and undo the shit we fucked up.
SnickerDONTle
Boy it's almost as if trying to police the world is kind of a shitty thing to do
somepersondoingsomethings
War is never pretty, and there is hardly every winning. You could argue the millions dead and cities destroyed in WW2 ended poorly too.
animecommunist
Nah, I think I'd count the death of Hitler, Marshall Plan, and reconstruction of Japan as all pretty good things.
aneyeholeman
We're really not that bad at the whole "war" thing. It's the part that comes after that we're terrible at.
SomewhatSoberSometimes
If the world is ever at peace, that will be when the civil war begins at home.
Hybris51129
It's called "Hearts & Minds" where you stop fighting for victory and start fighting for PR.
marcofossil
It's not about winning, it's about the statement.
Keydan
History shows that creating power vacuums leads to nothing but more bloodshed. External removal of a dictator is at best case zero sum.
Syrmerlin
That means you can't just depose the dictator and walk away, not that deposing a dictator is never worthwhile.
Keydan
True, but it takes far too many resources and involvement and systematic altruism to make not worse. And the de-troneing is brutal too. 1
Keydan
War in Iraq killed far more people than Saddam had during many years in power, quicker too, as well as lowered quality of life.2
Syrmerlin
Are you counting the death tolls of his wars against Iran and Kuwait, though?
LoZCollector
So in other words, fuck removing dictators and leaving it; just conquer and occupy the country? I can work with that. COLONIES HO!
Keydan
It's never black/white and it's always gray shit and death no matter hat you do, all that change is the flavor.
LoZCollector
And yet, dithering and over-thinking things means nothing ever improves. Whether good or evil, you need strength.
Keydan
Everyone always has their own perspective. The benefactors, the conquerors, the revolutionaries.. will see their way to spill blood as just.
AmirGarib
Yeah it is crucial to install a new moderate power which the population can accept. But this never happens...
Keydan
Outside powers rarely act with true altruism in mind, they always have an agenda, a quota or a theory to prove.
HowAboutThatUpdog
The world is in silence because this stopped surprising people
helldrax11
Just because the western media outlets declare it over dosent mean that the ultra conservative religious zealots drop arms
dark12
That's terrible
JaimeLannistersRightHand
It's no longer new(s)... >.>
Bonsaipanda
This fire has been burning for 1500+ years and shows no signs of dying out.
Marikhen
Dunno why it should ever surprise people. The only thing that has changed in the last 5,000 years is how quickly information spreads. We ->
Marikhen
still do the same shit to each other that we did 5,000 years ago, and at worst the world is just as "bad" now as it was then.
Somethinginthewoodshed
Becoming desensitised to acts of brutality is a horrible truth. Conversely: choosing to look the other way, in ignorance, is equally horrid.
morphis
Wars have been going on someplace on the planet since forever. If there was only 2 humans alive they'd be fighting over some dumb horseshit.
bustosoon
Yup, can’t carry around the whole world on your back
OptimisticDownvoteLover
Unfortunately
playingdead2022
Probably because this war has been going on for years. These people are casualties like any other war
thatsbadmmkay
Its actually because of our position in this war.
thatabbyrose
It took years before anyone even noticed Syria—only to shift that conversation to not wanting refugees. Then silence yet again
tooomanystevesgotbanned
Just like with the USA's shootings
zipfel73m
which makes it even worse.
cogphn
I thought the war ended tbh. This is dreadful
alphusultimus
Just like school shootings.
Hybris51129
Well its a prominently Muslim country in a state of violence. That's been par for the course for 30-40+ years at least.
sumgai0
You're just talking out of your ass. This stuff is partially due to the Iraq war as fighters cross borders and keep fighting.
atcggcta
Bs, people just don’t care
AverageTortilla
IDK man. I mean, how come people still care about mass shooting? That's common af now
D3ath71
The world isn’t in silence. The corporate owned government serving American mainstream media is. Let’s topple another govt for profit folks.
D3ath71
Rinse and repeat.
kingjurian
Why you are getting down voted i have no idea. Are you also a fan of Michael Parenti?
D3ath71
Been following a lot of Project Censored’s material for a few years. Michel Chossudovski is another one. Thanks!
dontaskmedifficultquestions
Holy shit
BaaadGuyEviiilGuy
Well, when Trump did bomb the airbase last year, people gave him so much shit about it. What should/can we do? (Not a Trump fan)
zyxzevn
The bombing of the airbase was because of a non-existing chemical weapon attack. there is so much pro-war propaganda. (Supported by Congress
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
Domestically, that was met with more approval than disapproval:
willi828
No. His approval jumped when he did that. If he cares about peace, he should learn to shut his mouth.
ScrooblyDoobles
People gave him shit because it was a 100% pointless strike. He hit an easily fixable runway that was operational again 24 hours later.
BaaadGuyEviiilGuy
They gave him shit because they thought he was too quick to judge and act, if he had done more damage they would have gave him more shit
JupitersWitch
Because he was pressured to finish the war Obama said he would and didn't. It's a fucking mess spanning 3 presidents.
ScrooblyDoobles
That's very true. At least Obama made a ton of progress, remains to be seen if Trump can tie up the package and put a bow on it.
JupitersWitch
I'd argue that he made things worse by ignoring Assad and supporting nuclear deals with Iran, but I don't really care so long as it ends.
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
That was the point, to send a message without getting too involved.
ScrooblyDoobles
That's like spanking a kid with a pillow and asking them if they've learned their lesson.
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
It was only in response to the chemical weapons, not the overall war. The alternative is becoming an active combatant in the war.
i81uBB81r2d2
Support Assad? I thought most of the atrocities committed were by the Saudi backed rebels.
KartFnocker
Maybe you're confused with Yemen? That's the hive the Saudis have their dicks in
agentarcher
The Saudis are supporting Sunnis in Syria as well. And Saudis certainly don't care how terrible the people they support are either.
agentarcher
There are no good guys in this fight. No one worth supporting.
LuciusBest
The current shelling of civilian populations is almost entirely Assad.
Irreal
Because thats where the rebells decided to hole up. They rxploit the civilians just as cheap meat shields.
shootan
Those shellings are a result of repeated de-escalation violations by the "rebels" in Ghouta after their attack on the armored vehicles base.
shootan
The Syrian Government, believe it or not, does not like killing its civilians, and uses every opportunity available to protect them, unlike1
shootan
Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham and their allies, which have fought tooth and nail to extent this conflict. Currently HTS and their allies are having2
L84Work
It's a duty to do the morally right thing even if it's unpopular in the eyes of others. Being popular isn't everything.
meresin2718
The morally right thing is to not worry about Syria because it's not our problem. Our deficit is bad enough as it is.
L84Work
Worrying about your money problems while other innocent people are being slaughtered in front of your very eyes may come across as selfish
meresin2718
Waaaah. They don't pay taxes here. Not our problem.
L84Work
When 9-11 happened foreign aide came from Canada and other countries in support against terrorism. Seems like some people do forget.
meresin2718
We owe them literally nothing. They made this mess, and now they have to do something about it.
AnneFranksDustyBongo
You don't report a fire in a fireplace...
JennyComments
Wow this sums it up in such a cold hard truth https://imgur.com/NWEF8Ha
SeanBrittain
This
meresin2718
gendeates
Also because it didn't happen in Merica and we don't have the BBC as our main news source.
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
This is front page news wherever you look...
MidlandRedux
What is it you think the United States should be doing that they aren't already doing? Are you willing to fight Assad and the Russians?
JailtimeBillC16
Big black cocks aren’t a reliable news source so there’s your problem friend
ezzmann
gendeates
Huh, didn't know that was a thing.
Clitastrophe
Up to 300 Russians were killed when they attacked a US base a while ago as well.The news cycle is focused on video games and guns right now.
jwhennig
Again.
fatmanscoop
Video games?
FridayNightRamen
I dont get it either
tehguldincalk
The conversation following the Florida shooting has frustratingly turned to blaming video games... again. It's the 1990s all over.
mrread55
I don’t think it ever stopped being the 1990s for a lot of people.
everettscott
sigh.
SharkTurnip
Except that the video games industry is a multibillion dollar industry now. Their lobbying power is too stronk to fear fake news.
Hissingfever
The news always does this shit
kristiwalker
I thought it was gun control. Then too much gun control. Then NRA babies crying that everyone is against them and their toys. I love news.
tehguldincalk
The media is all over the place tbh, can't pick one thing to blame. Neither can the prez
Clitastrophe
(Not so much a us base as a us outpost where they were at, from what I gather. Russia gave the go ahead and says they were just mercs.)
Clitastrophe
(That could be taken wrong: I mean they called Russia to confirm that it wasn't them and they said sure. So the US defended the base.)
Clitastrophe
(0 US lives lost vs around 300 of the attackers)
Clitastrophe
(I'm inclined to accept Russia's statement that they weren't overly involved and that they were just Russian people who went mercenary)
JSinNOLA
UoooRaaaH! Semper Fi!
vowofloudness
They were attempting to capture a refinery and (probably) didn't know Americans were stationed there. They didn't just attack a US base.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
There's a thing called de-confliction; RU and US have been doing it enough to avoid this; RU overstepped their boundaries this time though.
vowofloudness
Source: https://www.polygraph.info/a/us-wagner-russia-syria-scores-killed/29044339.html
Clitastrophe
They prepared for at least a week ahead of time, they almost certainly knew. It'd look even worse for them if they didn't.
vowofloudness
I have no idea if they knew, but attacking a fortified American position with nothing but rifles suggests their prep was less than thorough.
Clitastrophe
(At least a week, because the guys at the US spot saw them a week ahead of time assembling)
BallsLikeWatermelonsPeckerLikeAThimble
Other than humanitarian aid, what can we do? I’m tired of invading places.
LaughingSeraphim
So, whem did you serve?
Hybris51129
I'm tired of invading places using the least efficient means that cost us the most lives on our side for some mystical "Hearts & MInds" BS.
HighlordBaiden
Is it in America's best interest to allow Assad to do basically anything he wants to with Russian backing? I dunno, that question is tough.
gurimalla47
That’s exactly what’s going on. The country is being invaded!
Communik8
Been doing a lot of invading have you?
Ryanator50
how about this then? "I don't want me children invading countries"
FatChecker
Dont stop now, Linda. We need you now more than ever!
MillionAyres
I read it as “I’ve tried invading places” as if you personally have been invading. #reachesforreadingglasses
SteveSteveSteve55
How about resettlement? Find them a promised land and move 'em. Leave the fuckers behind. Must be a higher/better use for the good people
Slasher2977
Get out of the military then my man? That DD-214 is always an option.
dabbycats
But there must b something we can do?
mikaandmilodogs
Help a refugee settle in your neighborhood. Volunteer. Donate to amnesty international
234dragoman
Targeted bombings of Asads forces/military targets
Irreal
To prolong the conflict and endanger even more civilians? Maybe the US can demonstrate how few civilians they would kill and take over
Irreal
the siege on eastern ghouta. After all, thy got those bombs who turn everybody killed into an combatant.
shootan
Uhh, you might not want to look at the battle for Mosul or Raqqa then...
BladeSmithSapper
Me too but this is messed up, put the body armor on for another round? You game?
DevinNatTyv
Encourage your country of choice to accept Syrian refugees so that innocent children and people aren't victims of war crimes.
FitWatStar
In my country it's the other way around: fake refugees are coming to stay forever.
dasklaus
In my country that's not the case at all. Sincerely, a German.
Huldra
Scandinavia or germany?
ZapaN99
Why is it that everytime Americans think of fixing a conflict they think of invading as if that was a valid solution ?
zyxzevn
Make people aware of war supporting propaganda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vNwe7yKbwo
chebbpaul
If you pay taxes to the US gov't, you are subsidizing the murder of innocent civilians. Full stop.
SpikeReynolds
Overthrow your government.
KeeleonOhms
The people who use guilt as a weapon like this are the same people who want the militaries buget cut.
demosthenes89
Well...I believe the idea there is that they don't want a military solution. It's a consistent belief system.
KeeleonOhms
The people doing these horrible things arent going to stop if we just say "pretty please" :(
WillDigForFood
Military action alone is relatively ineffectual at stopping the spread of both radical ideologies and tyrants, unless special care is (1/2)
WillDigForFood
taken to not feed into the dialogue used to justify all this, it will only result in more cyclical awful bullshit for the region. (2/2)
rainyrivers
I'm so with you on this. I want those babies to have a chance at life. But I want our babies to have a chance at their own.
gurimalla47
Propaganda
Sheldonian
Well i have good news for you, helping those babies to have a chance won't affect the chances of your own in fact, it help each other
roneyBugPrince
Finally someone who gets. Diversity is key..... +1 and more if only I could
chiefs86
Diversity is a false goal, and often leads to conflict when cultures that don't get along with each other are forced to interact daily.
UmamiMama
And empathy
Derptator
I'm confused what you're saying
cp2chewy
America backs the rebels,russia backs assad, turkey kills rebels AND shoots down russian jets and both sides accuse the other of war crimes
EveryonesCousin
No American I know even knows what's going on. Some dude in a suit is backing that shit. What is it this time, oil again?
whyexactly
Then 10 years later the rebels attack the US?
A1rdumb
The US backs the YPG, Turkey backs the FSA, Russia and Iran back Assad, and then there's ISIS. All four of these groups despise each other.
zyxzevn
Isis is indirectly supported by CIA (via Bulgaria for example). Israel and Saudis also active. Only weapon sellers are winning in wars.
PardusXY
Honestly I think this is where the problem is, the local population would find it’s own solution to it’s own problems if there was not this.
brezhoneg
like Lebanon?
PardusXY
Find it hard to believe nobody funded either side in the civil war, considering when it happened.
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PardusXY
Problems might be there, but was the destruction?
cp2chewy
It’s a geo-political stalemate where the civilian population of syria pay the highest price
AmirGarib
And then there are those dumbasses opposed in taking in refugees... and want to meave others countries with that problem
FrozenCoast
Shipping every person from every crap country to the west is doing wonders for Europe...
Nututleptek
To be honest it does nothing, the amount of refugees is quite large, but if we wanted, we could help them without any problems
Tornadotaco
Other than humanitarian aid, what can we do? I’m tired of invading places.
scubachubby
move there, rescue who you can? i don't know what to do
Wormbo2
The fact ypu repeated the original question, is quite powerful. Simple "what CAN I DO to help?" Now if we got an answer, I'd also help some!
PepperoniPizzaSlice
That’s what the other guy said.
Tornadotaco
I know, I was curious what the answer might be.
IceColdGangsta420
Sadly, both sides probably are responsible for war crimes. Even members of the "good guys" commit war crimes these days.
SudoNimm
Wait until you find out we are already involved...
SmurfStain
Cia ops are everywhere. We aren't involved like Iraq though it's what they're saying
Mack1986
... what?
KartFnocker
We didn't fully invade, but we have bases and troops on the ground in Syria. Def not just CIA stuff
helldrax11
Can confirm us and uk troops have been on the ground training
swinglinered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVGXgjAUG14
BallsLikeWatermelonsPeckerLikeAThimble
Sure, but we’re not stopping anything.
yabeenthere
I don’t think that was what @SudoNimm meant.
RenegadeTQ
Earlier this month the U.S. coalition bombed Syrian forces and killed potentially dozens of Russians in the process, so I think we've been
RenegadeTQ
treading lightly since then but I think there's been some intentional hush-hush on the matter due to the sensitivity of the situation. 2/2
ItsUncleSam
We’ve been killing Russians ever since the Korean War. It’s nothing.
JohnLewis321
1We're finishing mopping up ISIL forces in Syria. The next objective is making sure another terrorist group doesn't take their place.
JohnLewis321
2 next ignorant comment? Jesus.
IdeaOfLove
You got it backwards. We armed radical Islamist rebels in Syria against Asad.
JohnLewis321
1Yes. The islamist brotherhood aren't terrorist. There are like, 6 factions involved in this conflict. The US, Russia, Syria, Kurds, & the
JohnLewis321
3 not to mention the Israelis who stuck down Syrian fighters earlier this month. Plus the Turkish government fighting ISIL.
JohnLewis321
2 islamist brotherhood. Oh, and ISIL. We're fighting a multi faceted military and geopolitical conflict.
JohnnyVarlow
Not voting for people who are opposed to taking in and supporting refugees
PMMEYOURGF
Supporting refugees is the answer to the war problem. Of course! How could we be so blind
FarkasMacTavish
Not all of these people are refugees, as demonstrated in Europe's migrant crisis.
CGriffo124
Oh, well if a few of them aren't refugees then to hell with all of them I guess.
dasklaus
You know that most terrorists are either locals or regular immigrants, right? Refugees don't seem to have a higher chance of being violent 1
dasklaus
murderers than nationals, which is surprising, really, because trauma can fuck people up in bad ways. And in any case: the right to asylum 2
dasklaus
is not negated by some bad apples in the bunch. Human rights don't work that way. 3/3
ShortblackFlatwhite
These people don't want to leave. But even if they did, it's not magic soil; people make the country, and they made their country unsafe.
ShortblackFlatwhite
For thousands of years there has been ongoing war in the region. Doesn't seem like taking in future warmongers as refugees is a solution.
MechanusIncarnate
I feel like the constant exploding rain might also play a factor in public safety.
ShortblackFlatwhite
If it weren't that it'd be something else. War is the norm, not the exception.
Saustino
I'm sure Syrians would rather stay in there country and have the fighting stop.
Derpmidget
Wow, such a bigbrain here
DecapitatedJizzWizard
Stop trying to save the damn world when our country isnt even saved yet.
AlkeneThiol
People who say shit like this have no perspective. I would love to see how a MAGA hat toting working class white nationalist handles Raqqa.
AlkeneThiol
2) "wah wah wages for my unskilled labor are low because immigrants work cheap." Go live in a fucking warzone.
Saustino
Where do you live? What do you do for a living? Don't lie either.
DecapitatedJizzWizard
Why does it have to br white and wtf are you going on about?
Tornadotaco
Wut I'm pretty sure it's great again. Do I need to buy more hats?
DecapitatedJizzWizard
Yes