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zafner
What they need to do is formalize the area. Call it ... I don't know, a sanctuary? "Sanctuary District". Yeah, that's a good name
ChristopherHallett
Nuh-uh, glorious Nippon is so clean and pristine that fish live in the street gutters! Everyone is polite and cleans up after themselves and they are very welcoming to outsiders!!! ANIME!!!!!1!
arthurvanhoudt
Find Kamagasaki area in Osaka City. Even larger than Sanya!
Rendova
The Ramen Yards.
TeeweeAndSmashboy
Now please buy my hand-made post cards, gawtdammit!
IamAlbertPotato
If the average age is 70, then it's not really welfare they are on, it's an old age pension. Calling it welfare makes them sound like unemployed bums.
Rendova
The Ramen Yards.
BronyDanza
Wonder what this will look like in another decade. Japan's population has been in a pretty significant decline for some time now, many, many more old people than young ones.
distraingotnobrakes
It’s just too expensive now to have kids unfortunately
shameofslate
This new Philomena Cunk video isn’t as funny as her old stuff
Someshithead241
It sounds nice, yeah. But the way it's "wiped off the map" seems very much like a 'segregate the undesirables and remove them to create a clean society. Out of sight, out of mind' type thing.
KingMCG
If she was surprised by this, I suppose she never watched Kurosawa’s masterpiece “Do Deska Den” either. Mental illness and homelessness have always been an issue in Japan (and everywhere else) but they work overtime to keep the public relatively in the dark. Some of this is mental illness, some of this is due to physical disability, and some due to social class. Systems exist to support, but people have to want that support for it to be useful.
VodkaReindeer
"free coin lockers"
ArmoredWanderer
I think she means the kind where you have to put a coin to lock it and take out the key, but you get your coin back when you open it? Like the kind you use to put your stuff in at a pool or something like that.
VodkaReindeer
That does make sense.
ClarticBrimples
Another example of how wealth concentration at the top is exponentially increasing homelessness
torokunai
middle actually . . . a lot of people in this area were excluded from middle-class jobs due to discrimination against historically outcaste families
UncleMartha
It boggles my mind that "eta" are still stigmatized. WTF Japan? Don't even get started on the Ainu, we don't have all day.
kiltmonkey
There are a lot of empty homes in Japan because reselling homes isn't a thing there due to homes not built to last more than 20 years. My mom-in-law no has two empty homes that she can't sell or rent out (she's an hour north of Tokyo) she moved into a rental apartment.
ThisGostakIsHereForTheDoshes
I'm curious, I heard used cars are also very hard to sell there, is it just the case that the Japanese do not like used things?
jaakkopaakkonen
Yes. They really like the novelty of new things. Housing is also affected by earthquakes, so they build their houses not to crumble, but not to last time. With cars, they have very very expensive obligatory inspection every two years i think which makes owning a car, especially used one quite expensive. You really don't have a choice to ignore the small problems in your car.
Immhawkins
dont film people like this. this isnt art
CraftyGiant
don't look and the problem will solve itself is a pretty fuckin evil take there bud.
jaakkopaakkonen
It's not supposed to be art. It is supposed to be information. Not a single problem on this earth gets solved without acknowledging it first. That is what they are trying to accomplish.
CannotBeBanned
Ah yes, the Japanese method of sweeping it under the rug
UncleMartha
*tatami
wantednokes
I didn't think this happened in Japan
jaakkopaakkonen
Why would you think that? you would be wrong. I've been in one of those tents.
wantednokes
I guess they hide it well?
jaakkopaakkonen
Japanese people are talented in not talking about embarrassing things
TheJuiceLoosener
I'd bet a buck there's an ethnicity component here.
torokunai
https://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/wflxdh/the_poorest_neighborhood_in_tokyo_doesnt/
TheJuiceLoosener
Tl,dr: Yep, Korean
Jimmyjack9
This is just the US in the future. Retirement slums, without the discount and more guns!
DarkUnityPrincess
Is this the same person getting attacked by deer’s?
jaakkopaakkonen
Getting attacked be deers in Nara is pretty fucking easy for a westerner
amp99
Yes. Oriental Pearl on YouTube: https://youtu.be/-BgEr--g8Nc
DarkUnityPrincess
Ok I just remember seeing it.
RoyalOss
Werent there also a lot of homeless people around the river? But nobody acknowledges those people? And they get no help at all.
ThailandExpress
poverty tourism
UncleMartha
FWIW, when I was in Japan in 2005, I stumbled upon a large homeless encampment in Ueno Park. I had never considered that there were homeless people in Japan until that moment, in spite of having seen it described in a couple of movies. To their credit, the inhabitants were keen to show me how clean, well-organized, and civil their home was. They asked me to tell people at home about them! Whatever helps their visibility.
DdCno1
Maybe, but it's also showing a side of Japan that most people aren't aware of. I didn't know this existed in Tokyo.
drduffer
Those are the most well taken care of homeless I’ve ever heard of, except those who’ve actually been housed, of course.
fancygiraph
We need cheap housing. The NIMBY crowd in SF stops any new building. Big part of the reason for the homeless situation in SF
crazyspelling
We also need more/better social services, medical services and job training/placement. SF went ahead and decriminalized petty crimes before having the social safety nets in place. It's gonna take a lot of time and money to adjust.
VodkaReindeer
Cheap housing would help but not completely fix the problem because large portion of homeless there were homeless when they came.
Saxytimes
There are some bills being passed in the suburbs near DC that are supposedly for cheap housing but all they really say is that developers are allowed to build huge apartment buildings in neighborhoods with only single family homes. There's no language about rent control or affordability, so really it's luxury condos, except ugly and with tons of cars and no parking.
Saxytimes
I told my parents that all they would have to do is allow homeowners to rent out rooms, which they aren't allowed to do. A cheap room rental would mean affordable housing
Swinkerton
No love for the NIMBYs here, but the developers who only build upscale condos are a much bigger problem in SF, IMO. Median price of a condo in SF is now $1.1 million, over $1K/square foot (sauce: da google). We've got the density downtown (see SoMa and Mid-Market condo towers) but what actually got/gets built isn't accessible.
torokunai
yup, it's roughly the same labor to put in a $100k kitchen or a $10k Ikea special so developers go for the former
fancygiraph
SF hasn’t built significant housing in 10 years. Of course anything built gets snapped up. SF has the lowest ratio of adults to kids since all the families moved out. If you build enough housing that condo prices drop from 1m to say 300-400k you will go a long way to fix this. No one under 40 can afford to buy a place in SF. Hence you have a population that works in sf but leaves as soon as they want to have a family.
Boxingbud
Because investment created the speculation that the city can keep affording the expensive condos. They DO get sold, just remain empty, but we pretend the average san fran person (or my own city that does this) CAN afford it, with that information. You will get homeless people no matter the mental health state or profession surrounded by empty condos. This will actually happen.
limbodog
That is the nicest slum I've ever seen
thisiswhyicanthaveanythingnice
I mean, dude is wearing a Burberry scarf.
cepacolusmaximus
this place is way cleaner than my first neighborhood after moving out
Goldenteckel
Those free lockers are precious.
amk1031
thought they were coin operated?
KafkasKarma
At least you get the coin back...there are coin lockers who swallow the coin.
spiceass9000
Probably because they are actually being somewhat taken care of. Like at least a little bit
erroniousmaximus
Anyone surprised by this have never really traveled much. Many developed nations and significantly more developing nations have things like this. Not to say that it’s good, it’s a failure of the system that creates areas like this; but unfortunately they are a reality everywhere. Many people here do ok to get by, and even when you stumble a bit, there’s no cliff to really fall off of. But Japan is pretty reluctant to admit or acknowledge mental disorders and so many people with any kind 1/
erroniousmaximus
Mental ineptitude kind of get “shuffled off the board” and end up in places like this.further complicating things is that many Japanese people worked a large portion of their lives through the boom here and then into the crash that stalled Japan’s economy without having kids. We see this as the falling population. For older Japanese, it can also mean no children and only a little bit of money to take care of themselves. It’s why you see so many older people here.
Boxingbud
Canada is bottom of the bucket for this but the world will say it's a first class country, for example. It's completely not, we hurt our homeless more than the US does. If you're non-white AND homeless? You're dead. You will be dead.
squintish
As in froze to death?
Boxingbud
Yeah we shut down shelters around winter, it's to cull the homeless instead of helping them. Harris did that in 1992 when we tried to genocide disabled people by stripping them of their housing support suddenly. A lot froze to death.
Boxingbud
Sorry, 1995, I get my canadian genocides confused. 1996 was when we decided to stop having "residential schools" you can google that to see what they're about if you aren't canadian, it's not good towards our indigenous.
Tarmaccian
So wait… you’re telling me that not-America isn’t as perfect and happy as Imgur implies? That there might be complexity or even nuance to socioeconomic problems? This is such an absurd concept… those place even use the metric system and everything! (/s)
brokenturtle
Wonder if the new abandoned house tax will help improve their homeless situation
ComicSansHumor
It won't come into effect until 2024 and there's a lawsuit which may defer it to later (https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/small-realty-vs-san-francisco-complaint-.pdf). I'm hopeful, but from what I understand it might be a bit hollowed out by the time it takes effect.
torokunai
Japan is actively depopulating now so homelessness is not an issue per se, support is:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/03/28/national/social-issues/japan-tokigawa-depopulation/
PodolKev
As far as i know, they just don't get enough money from retirement, so i highly doubt that. Elders in Japan still work past retirement partly because of that. (Also because not working is seen as being lazy/useless to society).
mardukkur
The abandoned houses generally aren't where the homeless people are.
EmeraldLight
I assume they mean the gov will use the tax to help homeless, though I doubt that will happen
mardukkur
I doubt the tax will raise any worthwhile revenue either, houses are generally abandoned because they're dumps that the owner can't afford to repair. The mythological quality housing deliberately held vacant basically doesn't exist outside of NYC thanks it it's weird rent control rules.
mardukkur
Oh god I can't believe the downvoters are out trying to enforce this little weird bit of insane propaganda from the fringes of cosplay socialist twitter. Did you guys know residential vacancies are at a 50 year low? Of course you didn't.
flatbanana
It is thanks to Yakuza/RGG i know about homeless parks in metropolitan Japan. Yeah not everyone can get into the rat race and stay in it long enough to get into a comfy retirement, havent got a good aging society plan, and land is at a premium--means you get these sorts of permanent liminal spaces
Arbys4Life
https://media.tenor.com/lHElTlXYSx4AAAAC/yakuza-yakuza7.gif
flatbanana
Why its me, CEO Ichiban of multimillion dollar Ichiban Holdings!
EatsBees
i IMMEDIATELY thought of West Park from 0 and K1, the dragon palace from k2, and all of akiyama's buddies from his homeless days. that homeless guy from public park 3 was such a nice guy, and akiyama's whole thing with buying his old buddies beer and living in his office despite having OBSCENELY UNREALISTIC AMOUNTS OF MONEY AKIYAMA YOU FUCKING IDIOT
PandAnomoly
LifeWhereImFrom did an amazing 5 part series about the homeless in japan
KnifeKnut
What is rgg?
itsnerfherderornothing
The thing the dog do when it angy
Sauroctonus
Ryu ga Gatoku, "Like a Dragon", an action/RPG series known as Yakuza in the west, but they're rebranding the international releases going forward to match the original name.
GulcasaOfTheSnowfall
"Yakuza" is a perfectly fine name, if a little too generic, but when you start getting into the spinoffs that have nothing to do with the Yakuza, it makes sense to just rebrand. (Y7 spoilers on next comment)
GulcasaOfTheSnowfall
There's also the fact that the major families straight up disbanded on Y7. I doubt the Yakuza is going to stop being an important piece of the next games, but they're definitely not the main focus anymore.
BurningVeryImportantThings
I was sitting here wondering what @flatbanana was doing for gangsters around the slums of Japan.
amk1031
really good gays
Rogahar
Or Randomly Generated Gays
Jamesstin
OOOOOH fuck its happening again.
Rogahar
I thought it was funny, and I *am* gay...
Salvroth
Doesn't make it funny.
MyName4Wine
Meanwhile in San Francisco, United States of America.
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BeardOnTheInside
And the local services are still full price, i'd wager.
GnomeDeGuerre
What right does a state have to exist if this happens?
SkittishLittleToaster
It's true. This is the Tenderloin, where I live. Ground zero for homelessness, drug use and overdose deaths. Very sad. We don't care about these people and it shows. Government largely ignores them, can't effectively carry out its homelessness services. And of course the high cost of housing is the primary driver of the homelessness crisis, based on surveys. Capitalism is cruel.
ProfessorRectangle
See, that's why you have to live in a cold place. We don't have to take care of the homeless because the weather does it for us.
Laurpud
These videos make me so ashamed of our country
SleeperXib
My dad flat out refused to believe SF was this bad when I went up there a few years back
slinkydust
Basically any major city
keystotheairlock
It's no better in the east bay either. We just have more overpasses.
pleaseacknowledgethecat
I’m from SF. I’ve lived up and down the west coast my whole life. I know the problem of homelessness and mental illness is far from superficial. But we veered so far off track I don’t have any idea how to recover at this point.
MAGICxMURDERxBAG
Hell, here in San Diego we have our own Skid Row
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ballsoutflyer
Vancouver: https://www.vmcdn.ca/f/files/victoriatimescolonist/json/2022/08/web1_vcrd106_2022080921.cpt637956639184313354.jpg
Ellisd83
Philly has areas just as bad
Legomaniac91
Right on track for the Bell Riots I see...
stevelepastis
The city by the bay! Despite this half-assed attempt at a smear, is still one of the world's greatest and most beautiful cities. You suck, we win! Love SF.
ComicSansHumor
Currently living not far from where the video was taken -- I recognized the intersection. I like living in San Francisco, but I don't think we should call it "one of the world's greatest". Feels too immodest and self-important. Better than the conservative narrative? Yes, significantly. Bastion for how a city should be run? I don't think so.
insomniac24x7
It’s meant as being a fan of the city you live in and there is nothing wrong with that. Many say the same about the city they live in or grew up in, and it’s ok.
philmoregraves
Looks like the tenderloin
Sticklebrickk
And what was tRumps idea to address this crisis? Make a beautiful little community on the outskirts of town for all the homeless. Because that'll fix it.
NATA5
Damn this is sad but what a great shot. Like a depressing Norman Rockwell painting.
PTNLemay
That's a real "Greatest Hits" compilation...
LaughingInTheFaceOfDanger
That's clean compared to east hastings in Vancouver.
insegrevious
That's clean compared to areas in San Francisco :)
TheDaharMaster
This is clean compared to East Oakland where I live.
greggor
People will see one city block on YouTube or TikTok and assume that the whole city is like this.
Scar1203
I did both security and police work in the Bay Area including SF and that's nothing. A few years back I was having to patrol Joe Radota trail in Santa Rosa, at the time there were hundreds of homeless people piled into a section less than a mile long. Someone would catch their shelter on fire nightly, needles everywhere, just an utterly miserable situation.
ATacoWalksIntoABar
I’d be homeless in a city where avg rent for a studio is $5k too lol
ComicSansHumor
Jones and Turk Street. Right around the heart of the Tenderloin. I live on Jones not too far away. Rent in my building is still above $2500/month. I am mildly annoyed by the cost of housing.
SkittishLittleToaster
Hey there neighbor! I'm just up the street.
ComicSansHumor
Hi neighbor! :D
PandAnomoly
Mildly annoyed? That's mighty kind of you. I live in vis. Valley and it really bugs the hell outta me as I wish we could do something as individuals to help the homeless in the area
ComicSansHumor
I had a stronger emotional response written out at first but deleted it because I'd rather not be banned.
thereitis101
Los Angeles is really bad.
sturmhauke
It's worse in the East Bay. It's a bit warmer and less cramped over here, which gives more space for the tent cities. Also, Oakland isn't so draconian about harassing the homeless population. Not that they're getting much help over here either.
belongsinamuseum
Operation Ivy foretold this!!!
sturmhauke
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time.
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elten
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/18/defensive-architecture-keeps-poverty-undeen-and-makes-us-more-hostile
elten
Not Germany, rather China
PrincessWendyB
Damn. Germany used to be compassionate!
spicetothefoo
Which era?
NotADodgeBallCannon
Uh, how far back we talking?
ViscousCousCous
we're not even 100 years away from WWII yet
WhenIGrowUpIWannaBeAnAardvark
But P/E ratios are up and stockholders are happy so it's all good, right?
Ellisd83
no
GuyPilot
I get your point (but your reference to stock metrics isn't making the point you feel it does).
wadenelson1
Phoenix
makeSX
How is that possible
deepriver
Holy shit !
iamnatmann
I don't know how they can survive out in that heat in the summer.
UsedCarSalesChick
Many can’t. Especially on cement/asphalt.
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
Kinda reminds me of skid row.
Devils41
Is this downtown or Westside?
UsedCarSalesChick
It’s called “The Zone,” just south of downtown
Azazellosarmour
The inevitable result of supply side/trickle down economics.
MajMalfunction2
I believe that's just late-stage capitalism.
DaMummy
Philadelphia
umbabrahattasil
Drugs are extremely harshly punished in Japan
Ellisd83
fucking heroin man
DaMummy
DaMummy
vakler
I've lived in LA, Seattle, New York City, Denver, Chicago, Dallas, Austin, and currently Kansas City - this view available in every major city.
pleaseacknowledgethecat
I believe that.
AgentCatherine
Baltimore, Miami, Tampa, Orlando, Washington DC, Honolulu, Memphis, Detroit that I’ve seen personally so far. Unfortunately it’s not anything unique to one area of the world much less the US.
thinkybrainpains
I live in tiny Portland, Maine and we have this too so small places aren't exempt.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Tons of people in SF were made homeless by the tech industry
64645
And now even the techbros are knifing each other. Stupid techbros, ruining everything!
Sandyundertones
It is the same and southern Europe too
springy13111
No it's not
Goldensands
Every American city maybe. There's nothing remotely like it here, and i live in my countries second biggest city. Applies to all of Scandinavia I'd say. Capital might have a slum but nothing like above.
TheBishopofBanterbury
I used to live in Chicago and they had far fewest homeless people with no permanent tent towns like this.
CraftyGiant
winter there is deadly
TheBishopofBanterbury
We haven't even had much snow here the last few years. Are you from California and can't handle anything below 75 F?
CraftyGiant
The avg winter low temp for Chicago is 22 degrees, which will kill people living on the streets regardless of snow.
HorriblyPositive
It's predominantly in the ones where people can survive outdoors. That's always been why SF has it so bad. Temperature will (almost) never kill you there. It's also why Green Bay doesn't have people sleeping on the streets (generally), but people love to blame politics.
PrincessWendyB
100% CORRECT
FeIineDisrespectFromBehind
Seattle gets some pretty cold winters. People do die in the winter here =/
Howlingowl
Never been to Minneapolis, have you? Thriving homeless population. They’re just cold.
HorriblyPositive
No one slept out on the street in -43° weather. Or if they did, they didn't wake up. You can't be outdoors in the Midwest in winter. You will die. I lived there. They literally announce it on the news. "Today's temperatures can cause lethal exposure in minutes and frost bite of unprotected skin in . Make sure to cover up and stay inside."
Howlingowl
I lived in Minnesota, too. There are tent cities. You can bring a small enclosure above freezing with a couple of tea candles. You won’t die, you’ll just be cold.
nclu
Not only that, but the homeless population of an area is nearly perfectly coupled to how unaffordable housing is. There is plenty of desperation, poverty, addiction in many places, it just happens indoors
ilyasInternetSmuggler
This is so true. An engineer in a car manufacturing plant in the UK on a good salary left his job to sleep in the hostels in Niece in France because the weather made him happier. He was begging during the day.
StewedTomaters
There are thousands of people on the streets in places like Minneapolis, year-round.
BonkyMcSignFace
East Hastings has entered the chat.
trikucian
Kelowna says hi
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Jewdakris
Except Seattle has it really really bad too and living there with a shelter is rough. I dunno how people survive to be honest.
AGiantSlor
As a person around Green Bay. Everytime i visit my aunt in Oakland i tell myself if shit goes south and I'm homeless, I'm going to that area.
Kehy
Yeah Seattle is usually pretty mild, but we've had a few lethal winters and summers. Nothing like out East though
orangearcadi
You and everyone else. A lot of places will buy you a bus ticket to California so they don't have to provide you resources if you become homeless
MutantTurd
It's also because Dr. Dre and Tupac told me that California knows how to party.
jzastrow
I work in criminal justice and I have firsthand handled cases where prosecutors agreed to a deal if the defendant would just go somewhere else. Often California
Isorikk
Phoenix has a lot but I dunno how they manage when it's 115 out in July. I swear to god if someone says "But it's a dry heat" I'll strangle a kitten
Notdeadyet12
BigTex1
At least Phoenix is a dry heat.
madeejit
(Sad kitten noises)
JusticePhrall
The last time I was there, I burst into flames. But they were dry flames.