I'm not a fan of religion, but it seems like she's actually incorporating that old "be kind to one another" part that many others just leave out. I respect that.
"If you don't believe in god how can you be a good person?" they ask. Idk, probably because I don't have a core belief that empathy is wrong. I don't even fucking like people and I can be empathetic. I grew up with a religion that hates non-hetero people and I still managed to evolve past that, even if I'll never be forgiven for the missteps I had as a teen.
All it takes is to hear people. There will always be things I can't fundamentally experience, but I don't need to to be empathetic.
Who the heck is Ben whatever? Must be a NAT C hristian... so God so loved the world, He sent Jesus to make it safe to hate... those NATCs.. they got this figured out
Unfortunately, he does. I wanted to see what else he'd said and made the sacrificial choice to look at his Twitter account. It's more of the same and even worse than you'd think. My favorite was when he said he didn't "enjoy" the 19th Amendment, which is the one that gave women the right to vote. Then I looked to see his job. Hes a deacon in Utah at a Reformed, Calvinist church and runs a podcast, which basically talks about cryptids like Bigfoot by trying to explain them with Christian beliefs.
Wow. Good diligence. So many places to start with a misplaced foundation like that, but that would be wasting all our time. Carry on. Bigfoot notwithstanding HA!
"Woke people keep going on about empathy. I have no idea what that is, but if they like it obviously it goes against everything I stand for and I hate it."
For those interested in a good read. One important skill in negotiation, in effective communication, and inviting dialogue is truly seeking to understand the other persons position. Not only does it make you a more intelligent, thoughtful debater, it helps you understand your own position and beliefs more deeply.
1 John 4:20: If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
Really? The first time this came around a few years ago, I spent a lazy Saturday poking around to see if this was some weird Christian theological doctorine that I hadn't heard of before (and not just some psycho who published a book). The only sect I could find pushing the empathy-is-a-sin line was American, White, and Baptist. If I missed something, I'd love to know more.
I meant that there are individual people who say stuff like that who aren't Baptist. I haven't done the research regarding official denominational positions, but I would probably go looking at Calvinists and Pentecostals next.
Religion has no place in politics. Because throughout history, religion has been used to dominate and manipulate the uneducated and the poor. Her message holds merit, so the corrupt politicians using religious extremism to manipulate are using her and her message as a tool to dehumanize the targeted groups.
*yawns*
Studying history shows this happening time and again.
I'm a preacher's kid. Raised in the church, in a conservative church, just sort of followed my parents into the GOP. Unlike seemingly a lot of people in the same situation, I stayed with the faith. But when Trump rolled around, that was the last straw for me and the GOP. I packed up and left. At the time, I hoped that cooler heads would prevail and I could go back soon. Now...I've changed and reevaluated things so much I could never go back. And I...I'm tired. 1/
I don't understand how these people can talk about love on Sunday and then turn around on Monday and cheer for a lying, cruel, vengeful hypocrite of a man who has largely stopped trying to pretend that he's virtuous. But they won't listen to me, won't try to understand me or acknowledge what I see. I can hardly talk to my parents anymore. I don't know where I belong anymore. But I do know that I was raised on the instruction that I was supposed to love my neighbor and show mercy and 2/
compassion, and I'm going to keep doing that even if the people who taught that to me seem to have abandoned it. And do the best I can with it, even if I'm feeling like Cassandra at this point. 3/
"You need to ... hate." Fuck me, I am as atheist as they come, yet somehow this sack of shit's sheer hypocrisy and ignorance of the religion he pretends to profess make me want to declare a holy war against him. There is a lot to dislike about a lot of religions, but that I, an atheist, am a better Christian than many actual Christians does make me chuckle.
How can God be real if his name is used to commit evil? How can God be real if he allows his name to be used to commit evil? How can God be real if evil still exists? But yeah, go off about how God punishes the wicked.
I told that to one of my agnostic friends once, that he was a better Christian than most people that profess to be so, because he actually espoused Christ's teachings. He chuckled, then had an "OH SHIT WAIT I AM" moment. And we both laughed. It was nice.
I'm also subscribe to atheism because if you actually understand on some level these so called holy texts you realise that the good bits are found in many other ideologies and the bad bits are a healing pile of shite and deserve to be on the scrap heap of human thought and feeling
Spoiler: the ones with half a brain, the ones you see on social media with their performative cruelty - none of them actually believe in any part of their professed religion.
They know they are full of shit. It's all a con, with the audience being the legions of idiots that actually *do* think that this is what their religion would have them believe in.
Honestly, the only part of "white Jesus" I'm inclined to think might be accurate is the gun totting part. Why? Because clearly a whip's not going to cut it when it comes to driving the evil out of God's house.
Matthew 5:43 You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy' But I tell you... ̶l̶o̶v̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶e̶n̶e̶m̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶a̶y̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶w̶h̶o̶ ̶p̶e̶r̶s̶e̶c̶u̶t̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ... hate your enemies and your neighbors. Just fucking hate everybody... and buy crypto - Jesus T Christ
I was raised a catholic and, although atheist now, one of the first things I remember what Christ is about is empathy. All that old testament shit, if you find that weighs in more than the new testament, you’re doing it wrong.
Speaking as a Christian. I know a lot of Atheists that are better Christians than most Christians. It's really sad, primarily because being a decent person **isn't fucking difficult**. Gaaah
A lot to unpack here. 1st, I think there are many professing Christians who, to put it simply, are not Christians. I don't think they believe they're Christians, but believe that they can use it for their ends. Trump himself said that he "loves Christians. I'm not one." These sorts of people are the worst of the worst. 2nd, I don't think that it's possible for an Athiest to be a better Christian than an actual Christian as the whole definition leans on following and believing in Christ Jesus.
That is to say, what you're describing is that you are in fact a better person than these self-proclaiming Christians - which is almost certainly true. Especially if they're people like this Ben Garret guy. But I think that if neither you nor he believes in Christ or His teachings, nor follow anything he says, I think you both fail equally at being a Christian.
If a person followed the teachings of this Christ, without believing in him, would that person be a better or worse Christian than a person who believed 100% but ignored all the teachings?
I think Matthew 7 and Romans 2 both talk about this. TLDR, neither are Christians because according to Jesus' teaching, if you believe in Him then you change and that change only comes through him. However, I think what you're trying to get me to say is you can be a bad person and still be a better "Christian" than a good person. I believe that statement, again according to Christ, is also true as change takes time. That's not what OP's post is about though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This person sucks.
I think the point is that the definition of Christian doesn't actually include acting the way that Jesus told them to act. So if you believe Jesus is the son of God and was preaching God's word, you're a Christian. And if you don't believe that, then you're not. Actually, technically, I think you only have to *profess* belief in it. Don't even have to actually believe it. That's why so many shit people are Christians. It doesn't really mean much.
As an atheist, I sometimes hope I'm wrong and hope I can see the looks on their faces when they have to explain to God why they thought his teachings were wrong before being sent to hell
My head canon is that god doesn’t send people to hell. He simply shows them a perfect mirror of their actions. And those who committed willful evil in the name of righteousness see how wrong they were, and they damn themselves.
As an agnostic, if I am wrong and I stand before God after I die, he will ask me why I didn't believe in him, and I will tell him "because those who did evil things, used your name to justify it, why would I believe in anything they said was the truth when I could see the lies they were using to hurt people"
Ditto. I'm an atheist as well who secretly wishes there was a merciful God (but let's be real, probably if a deity exists they wouldn't be kind), just so I can watch them explain how starving children, killing women, and persecuting the weak was a good thing. I wanna watch everyone of those fuckers flub in front of an all powerful judge.
I'd love that too. Then we can ask God to explain his own actions. Like Bone Cancer in babies, Dementia, the fact that he put the testicles on the outside. That sort of thing.
The only way there's a non-malicious singular god imo is if they chose not to interfere, just observe. It's what someone I went to highschool with believed, but even so, a non-interfering god who isn't malicious would definitely not like all these shitheads claiming "actually God wants us to destroy each other"
A coworker from about 24 years ago said "God is either a general force like gravity or a large animal like Oprah." Also iirc "Omnipotence and omniscience cancel each other out" it's been a long time but the first part is exact, the second part not so much. "Church of small dog" and "a boy named cheese" was his thing.
VitaminJay
These dipshits treat the Bible like the Apple TOS. Scroll down to the bottom, click 'I agree', and be complete assholes.
GlenL
Same way ISIS views Islam
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
Not Christian but Old-Testamentarians. They despise everything JC taught. For them it's all about fear&punishment not empathy and forgiveness.
ScreamingAphid
I'm not a fan of religion, but it seems like she's actually incorporating that old "be kind to one another" part that many others just leave out. I respect that.
Akintunde
"If you don't believe in god how can you be a good person?" they ask. Idk, probably because I don't have a core belief that empathy is wrong. I don't even fucking like people and I can be empathetic. I grew up with a religion that hates non-hetero people and I still managed to evolve past that, even if I'll never be forgiven for the missteps I had as a teen.
All it takes is to hear people. There will always be things I can't fundamentally experience, but I don't need to to be empathetic.
charondaboatman
Hey Ben. Lol, you’re a fucking idiot.
wtfIsTheInternet
anything to hate women. if a guy said this it probably would have fizzled out by now.
DisgruntledFerret
I feel like "Do not commit the sin of empathy" is something a cartoon movie villain would say. Like maybe it's an opener to a villain song.
taez555
Che07
Only difference: His 'shroom wouldn't even reach the zipper of his pants.
WhatNumberPlease
RickO3611
Who the heck is Ben whatever? Must be a NAT C hristian... so God so loved the world, He sent Jesus to make it safe to hate... those NATCs.. they got this figured out
dennydorko
landisfloatingrock
Does "Ben Garrett" EXIST?
cmsport2
Unfortunately, he does. I wanted to see what else he'd said and made the sacrificial choice to look at his Twitter account. It's more of the same and even worse than you'd think. My favorite was when he said he didn't "enjoy" the 19th Amendment, which is the one that gave women the right to vote. Then I looked to see his job. Hes a deacon in Utah at a Reformed, Calvinist church and runs a podcast, which basically talks about cryptids like Bigfoot by trying to explain them with Christian beliefs.
landisfloatingrock
Wow. Good diligence. So many places to start with a misplaced foundation like that, but that would be wasting all our time. Carry on. Bigfoot notwithstanding HA!
ElbowDeepInAJedi
"My god is the god of love and compassion. Anyway fuck everyone, empathy is a sin, Heil Hitler." -every single GOP voter
Skuggen
"Woke people keep going on about empathy. I have no idea what that is, but if they like it obviously it goes against everything I stand for and I hate it."
Munchman347
When the Pharasees who detest the 'Liberal' teachings of Jesus pretend to be 'christians' so they can destroy Christianity from the inside...
TofuGolem
I hope the bishop lady stays safe, because there's no hate like Christian love.
glovelyday
The GOPs Seven Deadly Sins: Empathy, Poverty, Hunger, Homelessness, Education, Morality, and Kindness.
Bandlith
Empathy, Compassion, Sharing, Caring, Fairness, Acknowledgment, & Open-Mindedness.
MasterChristopher
Don't forget "Colored".
MurdockTheHawk
And to those of you saying "hey aren't empathy and kindness sort of the same thing?" Be careful… You might be committing the sin of education.
glovelyday
No, you can feel what someone else feels (empathy), yet have no urge to do anything to help (kindness). The GOP these days lacks both.
SirSmurfalot
MerryXMan
Get ready for your scheduled two minutes of hate.
chickenoodlesoup
There's no hate like christian love...
StatisticallyInsignificantCanadian
Such a British construct. Americans: "only two minutes?"
UnoriginalPieceOfRepeatingShit
Its why fox news runs 24 hours
johnspeck2
Sounds pretty Christian to me
euphoricopportunity
"Is this recent?" I remember MAGA posts about the "sin of empathy" a few years back being a thing.
rooik14
This in particular is recent (A bishop asked Trump to have mercy on people in a sermon)
euphoricopportunity
Yeah, I saw that. I was wondering if they were mixing old and new tweets to make the image
Osiricus
Make no mistake, this is a new religion of hate that has nothing to do with Christ's teachings, it just pretends to.
kiltitude
For those interested in a good read. One important skill in negotiation, in effective communication, and inviting dialogue is truly seeking to understand the other persons position. Not only does it make you a more intelligent, thoughtful debater, it helps you understand your own position and beliefs more deeply.
https://baptistnews.com/article/have-you-heard-the-one-about-empathy-being-a-sin/
kiltitude
This article reveals the “empathy as sin” preachers as afraid of vulnerability and lacking impulse control.
HistoricalContext
1 John 4:20: If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
skwint
Compassion is a sign of weakness. Tolerance is a sign of weakness. The emperor IS the empire. Trust not the alien.
meganical
That’s why I started calling them Old Testament Christians
CraisedPhsyko
The Old Testament also makes a point to love others and hate greed. See Isaiah 56:3-7, Job 31:24-28, Leviticus 19:33-34
CraisedPhsyko
These people are just False
cbcd
Cosplay Christians
lovehandlesmessiah
Paulines. They really love the “women should be silent and obey their husbands” rules.
JCBeastie
Currently agnostic, but if they became pillars of salt...
CaldariBob
It's unique to White American Baptists, so you could always just go with that too.
euphoricopportunity
Sadly, it's not unique to them.
CaldariBob
Really? The first time this came around a few years ago, I spent a lazy Saturday poking around to see if this was some weird Christian theological doctorine that I hadn't heard of before (and not just some psycho who published a book). The only sect I could find pushing the empathy-is-a-sin line was American, White, and Baptist. If I missed something, I'd love to know more.
euphoricopportunity
I meant that there are individual people who say stuff like that who aren't Baptist. I haven't done the research regarding official denominational positions, but I would probably go looking at Calvinists and Pentecostals next.
kontroversialkarma
Religion has no place in politics. Because throughout history, religion has been used to dominate and manipulate the uneducated and the poor. Her message holds merit, so the corrupt politicians using religious extremism to manipulate are using her and her message as a tool to dehumanize the targeted groups.
*yawns*
Studying history shows this happening time and again.
qyrriqat
I'm a preacher's kid. Raised in the church, in a conservative church, just sort of followed my parents into the GOP. Unlike seemingly a lot of people in the same situation, I stayed with the faith. But when Trump rolled around, that was the last straw for me and the GOP. I packed up and left. At the time, I hoped that cooler heads would prevail and I could go back soon. Now...I've changed and reevaluated things so much I could never go back. And I...I'm tired. 1/
qyrriqat
I don't understand how these people can talk about love on Sunday and then turn around on Monday and cheer for a lying, cruel, vengeful hypocrite of a man who has largely stopped trying to pretend that he's virtuous. But they won't listen to me, won't try to understand me or acknowledge what I see. I can hardly talk to my parents anymore. I don't know where I belong anymore. But I do know that I was raised on the instruction that I was supposed to love my neighbor and show mercy and 2/
qyrriqat
compassion, and I'm going to keep doing that even if the people who taught that to me seem to have abandoned it. And do the best I can with it, even if I'm feeling like Cassandra at this point. 3/
qyrriqat
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire
But if it had to perish twice,
qyrriqat
I think I know enough of hate
To say for that destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
qyrriqat
—Robert Frost
(6/6)
MoschopsUK
"You need to ... hate." Fuck me, I am as atheist as they come, yet somehow this sack of shit's sheer hypocrisy and ignorance of the religion he pretends to profess make me want to declare a holy war against him. There is a lot to dislike about a lot of religions, but that I, an atheist, am a better Christian than many actual Christians does make me chuckle.
TheOtherLucas
I am an atheist and I endorse this message. also thank "god" I'm not american.
SecondSince
Most atheists are better Christians or of any religion than it's supposed members. We can't hide our actions behind bullshit religious doctrine.
Blimjoe
How can God be real if his name is used to commit evil? How can God be real if he allows his name to be used to commit evil? How can God be real if evil still exists? But yeah, go off about how God punishes the wicked.
CptLetdown
I told that to one of my agnostic friends once, that he was a better Christian than most people that profess to be so, because he actually espoused Christ's teachings. He chuckled, then had an "OH SHIT WAIT I AM" moment. And we both laughed. It was nice.
allihearisnoise
I'm also subscribe to atheism because if you actually understand on some level these so called holy texts you realise that the good bits are found in many other ideologies and the bad bits are a healing pile of shite and deserve to be on the scrap heap of human thought and feeling
ilovetraveler
If there is a heaven, you'll go there and the conservative Christians are all going to hell
Mehlbox
MAGA christians are a different brand... rather than questioning their behavior and values, they criticize the bible. There are enough 'scholars' out there reinterpreting Jesus' teachings as coming from a twisted version of a "Woke Jesus"...
https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706
Trelfar
Spoiler: the ones with half a brain, the ones you see on social media with their performative cruelty - none of them actually believe in any part of their professed religion.
They know they are full of shit. It's all a con, with the audience being the legions of idiots that actually *do* think that this is what their religion would have them believe in.
Sechran
Honestly, the only part of "white Jesus" I'm inclined to think might be accurate is the gun totting part. Why? Because clearly a whip's not going to cut it when it comes to driving the evil out of God's house.
BC2k2
Now I'm imagining Jesus as Doom Guy.
StarshipSuperTrooper
Matthew 5:43
You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy' But I tell you...
̶l̶o̶v̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶e̶n̶e̶m̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶a̶y̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶w̶h̶o̶ ̶p̶e̶r̶s̶e̶c̶u̶t̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶
... hate your enemies and your neighbors. Just fucking hate everybody... and buy crypto
- Jesus T Christ
coughingintensifies
I was raised a catholic and, although atheist now, one of the first things I remember what Christ is about is empathy. All that old testament shit, if you find that weighs in more than the new testament, you’re doing it wrong.
OverthinkingThis
Speaking as a Christian. I know a lot of Atheists that are better Christians than most Christians. It's really sad, primarily because being a decent person **isn't fucking difficult**. Gaaah
ThisUsernameWasntTakenIGuess
A lot to unpack here. 1st, I think there are many professing Christians who, to put it simply, are not Christians. I don't think they believe they're Christians, but believe that they can use it for their ends. Trump himself said that he "loves Christians. I'm not one." These sorts of people are the worst of the worst. 2nd, I don't think that it's possible for an Athiest to be a better Christian than an actual Christian as the whole definition leans on following and believing in Christ Jesus.
ThisUsernameWasntTakenIGuess
That is to say, what you're describing is that you are in fact a better person than these self-proclaiming Christians - which is almost certainly true. Especially if they're people like this Ben Garret guy. But I think that if neither you nor he believes in Christ or His teachings, nor follow anything he says, I think you both fail equally at being a Christian.
JohnTheWolf
You can follow the teachings of Buddha or Christ and not be Buddhist of Christian. If you're a Buddhist or Christian, you're in a cult.
MoschopsUK
If a person followed the teachings of this Christ, without believing in him, would that person be a better or worse Christian than a person who believed 100% but ignored all the teachings?
ThisUsernameWasntTakenIGuess
I think Matthew 7 and Romans 2 both talk about this. TLDR, neither are Christians because according to Jesus' teaching, if you believe in Him then you change and that change only comes through him. However, I think what you're trying to get me to say is you can be a bad person and still be a better "Christian" than a good person. I believe that statement, again according to Christ, is also true as change takes time. That's not what OP's post is about though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This person sucks.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I think the point is that the definition of Christian doesn't actually include acting the way that Jesus told them to act. So if you believe Jesus is the son of God and was preaching God's word, you're a Christian. And if you don't believe that, then you're not. Actually, technically, I think you only have to *profess* belief in it. Don't even have to actually believe it. That's why so many shit people are Christians. It doesn't really mean much.
Cinammontoastcrunch
As an atheist, I sometimes hope I'm wrong and hope I can see the looks on their faces when they have to explain to God why they thought his teachings were wrong before being sent to hell
Thornaxe
My head canon is that god doesn’t send people to hell. He simply shows them a perfect mirror of their actions. And those who committed willful evil in the name of righteousness see how wrong they were, and they damn themselves.
Blimjoe
As an agnostic, if I am wrong and I stand before God after I die, he will ask me why I didn't believe in him, and I will tell him "because those who did evil things, used your name to justify it, why would I believe in anything they said was the truth when I could see the lies they were using to hurt people"
GoddessPurpleFrost
Ditto. I'm an atheist as well who secretly wishes there was a merciful God (but let's be real, probably if a deity exists they wouldn't be kind), just so I can watch them explain how starving children, killing women, and persecuting the weak was a good thing. I wanna watch everyone of those fuckers flub in front of an all powerful judge.
RedFlameGamer
I'd love that too. Then we can ask God to explain his own actions. Like Bone Cancer in babies, Dementia, the fact that he put the testicles on the outside. That sort of thing.
Cinammontoastcrunch
The only way there's a non-malicious singular god imo is if they chose not to interfere, just observe. It's what someone I went to highschool with believed, but even so, a non-interfering god who isn't malicious would definitely not like all these shitheads claiming "actually God wants us to destroy each other"
gilliamv
A coworker from about 24 years ago said "God is either a general force like gravity or a large animal like Oprah."
Also iirc "Omnipotence and omniscience cancel each other out" it's been a long time but the first part is exact, the second part not so much. "Church of small dog" and "a boy named cheese" was his thing.