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UsChickens
How is that a confession, you fucking turd tard, @OP?
SteveJw
In the UK they do, Girl in a my local Area got 7 years for falsely accusing 3 men.
Kiore
Yes, just like people who make false insurance claims should be charged with theft. Because that's a totally workable legal system.
liquidsnakex
False insurance claims usually don't tar an innocent individual for life
sbi5ar
I think a lot of the problems could be resolved through compulsory anonymity for the accused until convicted...
PikkuPiko
"But muh preshus freedom of speech and freedom of the press"
QuantumLuck
Step 1: Put the false accuser on the false accuser list. Step 2: Watch actual rapists take advantage of it. Step 3: Profit!
raidleadergutts
Maybe don't ruin peoples lives by falsely accusing them of rape? But I like how you're trying to protect false accusers.
MidwayMarshall
I like how you are advocating rape as a punishment.
raidleadergutts
Nope, just saying I wouldn't be sorry for the sacks of filth, just like how I wouldn't be sorry if rapist men get the same treatment in jail
Bigcurly2000
Well, no, because they haven't committed a sexual offence. An offence yes, but not a sexual one.
raidleadergutts
Then there needs to be a new category for the subhuman filth who do this and discredit actual victims.
Bigcurly2000
Defamation of character? Perverting the course of justice? Perjury?
raidleadergutts
All of those should already apply. I'm talking about something that lets people know they can do this, so men could avoid them completely.
Bigcurly2000
I see what you're getting at, but the same could apply to any category of crime. Should they all have a bell round their neck?
VeskaiTsumonit
The registry list should only be used for violent offenders. Even then, if a person isn't safe to be in public, keep them in a facility.
notmyfirstchoiceofusername
I'm looking forward to the calm and civilised discussion on this.
AikoMizushima
You won't get it on imgur.
iFINALLYmadeAcomment
Well, I'm looking forward to this being as confrontational as possible so fuck you and your expectations.
Renaceae
Sex offender lists are for sex offenders and there are laws against filing a false report. Civil suits can also be filed for damages.
Lokicleo
As a victim of rape who was scared of the repercussions of coming forward in my uni I can't tell you how unhelpful this would be.
UncleBrother
So long as you can prove the accusation false, not just the alleged perp not guilty.
OnlyBegottenDaughter
i don't disagree with serving time, but not sure about the sex offenders list. i think a lot of people who are put on it shouldn't be.
AgolfHiller
Like falsely accused rapist...
AikoMizushima
So, spite > fact? They are committing perjury, making a false statement, possibly fraud and should charged as such. It's not a sexual matter
OnlyBegottenDaughter
admittedly ... which is why i said "not sure" ... it's a thin line.
AgolfHiller
Basically if someone falsly accuses you of rape your life is over. Your friends and family will shunn you and you won't find a job
AgolfHiller
So why shouldn't it be the otherway around?
OnlyBegottenDaughter
the ideal situation would be to keep people OFF the list rather than putting them on, but if that's not going to happen, it is only fiar.
ThoughtfulTortuga
Why specify girls?
SamMarley
Because men are to manly to be raped it's just a silly thought
Lots43
Because according to the /r/redpill cult, women are evil.
DizzyNosferatu
MRA guys like to use this as a wedge issue to reaffirm nasty stereotypes about women (deceitful, given breaks by society, manipulative)
raidleadergutts
But why male models?
MoreCrustyJugglers
Because the only time a male would falsely accuse rape would be to brag.Don't misunderstand,men being raped is a real thing and just as sick
IgobyJax
I had two residents as an RA who were raped before college..girls hopped on while they were passed out. Both just viewed it as a funny story
ThoughtfulTortuga
I agree it's less common but I'm sure it could happen.
Greeneyeddevil
Well, ANYONE that is proven to have lied and falsely reported any crime should face punishment. If you can prove beyond doubt they lied.
LannistersSendTheirRetards
I agree to an extent.Problem with this is it scares vulnerable victims away from coming out with it because theyre afraid to be called liars
raidleadergutts
Care to explain how punishing scum who are PROVEN to be lying about it would scare actual victims? Just like rape, it has to be proven.
xrufus7x
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/12/16/an-unbelievable-story-of-rape?ref=hp-2-112#.SOFTu6yRV
raidleadergutts
If anything would hurt actual victims, it's false accusers. Stop defending and encouraging them.
thatgirl2214
In the cases I've heard of in the UK these people have been charged, and have served jail time.
CloisteredMoistOysters
The usual UK sentence is up to 2 years for a false rape accusation, and under a year for a false lesser sex assault accusation.
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
But that isn't a fucking sex offence, is it? It is a crime, though, and they already do serve time for it. How did you not realise that?
raidleadergutts
I like how you're pretending it's even close to the punishment of rape, which is how it should be.
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Why should it be? It's a completely different crime. The effects on the victim are completely different. Why should it be the same? Nonsense
raidleadergutts
Both ruin lives, thus the perpetrators of both crimes should have their lives ruined. But who cares about men, right?
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
By that (completely fucking retarded) logic pretty much all major crime should result in the exact same sentence. Try to use your brain.
amadteaparty81
I could see how some one could consider it a form of sexual harassment.
MintMission
I like how even the premise of your statement is sexist. Because, of course, no men get raped or could potentially lie about it.
raidleadergutts
I like how even the premise of your comment is sexist. Because, of course, men are always taken seriously when reporting rape.
MintMission
Why is that sexist? You know the definition of sexism is discrimination against women, right? You are probably referring to misandry. 1/2
MintMission
In which case my point isn't even that isn't to say that men are always taken seriously, only that if a hypothetical law was to exist 2/3
MintMission
to punish individuals against lying about rape, it would be sexist if it was made strictly against women. While you may be right, your 3/4
MintMission
point completely misses what I was referring to. 4/4
MintMission
I apologize, I take back the first part of my statement, where I say you were wrong about the definition of sexism. 1/2
MintMission
The rest of my comment still stands. 2/2
TaylorHur
Men who sexually abuse children should be put away for life. That doesn't happen either.
raidleadergutts
Women who sexually abuse children should be put away for life. That doesn't happen either.
AikoMizushima
Anybody who abuses children should be.
ParanoidWithGoodCause
women who abuse children should be put away for life. which is statistically more likely to occur just based on who has greater access.
CaptainShutTheFuckUp
[citation needed]
AikoMizushima
The majority of child molesters are male and either related to the child or are a close family friend.
madetheaccountjustforyou
I'd settle for mandatory notification of all people they come in contact with. "I'm required to inform you, I lie about rape accusations".
CaptainShutTheFuckUp
I mean - we don't even require that of thieves, rapists or batterers. Why these peeps?
CloisteredMoistOysters
Some Welsh woman did it 5 times in 8 years. She definitely needs to come with a warning.
AmiAthena
Also, this should be a puffin, not a bear. It's an opinion (though not an unpopular one) rather than a confession.
raidleadergutts
Not an unpopular one? I like how you're pretending the comment section isn't full of people who are advocating for no punishment for this.
nfredi628
Also rape has one of the lowest percentages of false reports of any crime
ProfChaos23
[CITATION FUCKING NEEDED]
nfredi628
Literally do any research on your own it shouldn't be hard to find if your actually capable of finding legitimate source
nfredi628
As in actually studies not the first news article you find about someone not pursuing charges.
joepstman
You've must've never spoken to any American service member. I bet they'll beg to differ.
nfredi628
Maybe in that one very specific case which affects a very small percentage of people. Overall it's very low.
raidleadergutts
So if rape had a low percentage, the punishment should be less severe? Because that's the only thing one can get from your comment.
ParanoidWithGoodCause
that keeps being said and yet I have never met anyone who does not personally know some girl who has done so or a guy who's suffered from it
ParanoidWithGoodCause
it's only the insistence that we believe the "victim" regardless of any evidence because of those "lowest percentages" that keep it that way
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
really? i dont know anyone who did that.
xrufus7x
I know 2 and I still think this is BS.
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
2 people who falsely acused?
citoyenne
Me neither. I know a lot of people who were raped and never reported it though.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
So just because its low we shouldn't give them harsher punishments?
tzap
For many cases, proving with certainty that someone really did a false report sounds extremely difficult and could just discourage reporting
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
What would be discourage if they had to prove beyond a doubt?
tzap
Practical example: 10 people are raped, no conclusive evidence at hand. 0 reports due to fears of being prosecuted themselves. Police .. 1/2
liquidsnakex
Bullshit, nobody is asking for jail time for people who fail to prove rape, only those proven with a high degree of certainty to have lied.
tzap
.. is unaware there's been 10 similar rapes by similar looking suspect, doesn't launch in-depth investigation. 2/2
JaredKidd
Well no but our response should be proportional to the issue.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
Yeah, proportional would be to give them the same punishment as they person they are accusing would have gotten. They are ruining someones
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
life, putting them in prison for 10+yrs, even if they are cleared people will still treat them as rapists for the rest of their life, will
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
have trouble finding a decent job, a significant other that can trust them, and intimacy issues for fear of being falsely accused again.
raidleadergutts
Ruining their lives is a proportional response since the lives of falsely accused are ruined. Stop defending false accusers.
bufferkiller
They are punished, but how they are punished is more complicated and requires more legal knowledge than, "fuck that bitch."
ForestDemolitionExpert
"Fuck that bitch." It's that kind of thinking that almost got us here in the first place.
Firsthope
When a man is accused it is releases to the news. When a woman lies about it there is no coverage at all, usually bc nothing happens!
thundercactus
Your honour, I'd like to make a motion of "fuck that bitch" on the grounds that "she a lyin hoe".
mongoose40
I'll allow it.
bufferkiller
Defense, do you have a better comeback? No? Case dismissed!
thundercactus
http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/snap_zoidberg_futurama.gif
HotelFourSix
In fact, applying that kind of knowledge is how you end up accused of rape.
bufferkiller
It's one way. Another is just knowing someone awful that wants to see you hurt for no logical or rational reason.
wonderbug
I wish they were punished. sadly, they get off scot free more often than not because patriarchy. thanks, 3rd wave feminism!
bufferkiller
And being unable to prove someone committed an act does not prove the accuser is falsely accusing.
bufferkiller
Real victims already fear not being believed. You put the fear of prison in them, and they'll never speak up. Male or female.
wonderbug
and at the same time, thanks to 3rd wave feminism, REAL rape is turned into a joke like 'visual rape' or other bullshit.
wonderbug
you want real fear? try being male and merely accused of rape when feminists ACTIVELY try to change the laws to guilty until proven innocent
raidleadergutts
It's not complicated at all. They get little to no punishment when it should be the same as rape. Otherwise it's protecting false accusers.
YamatoIouko
Women get lesser sentences in general, though.
DangerousNoodle
If she admits to lying, while on the stand and under oath, she'll get charged with purgery. That's a felony and women have been charged.
DangerousNoodle
Perjury*
bufferkiller
Being unable to prove someone did something does not equal proving someone falsely accused. It /is/ more complicated.
raidleadergutts
Are you kidding? Of course it doesn't equal that, which is what all the people here advocating for no punishment refuse to understand.
bufferkiller
Proving an accusation is false is harder than proving an accusation is true. That's what isn't being understood.
bufferkiller
To be convicted one must be proven guilty without reasonable doubt. That's practically impossible with he said/she said claims.
sowetoninja
Yes it's more complicated but that doesn't mean it's not important and being ignored.
bufferkiller
The system isn't perfect. In fact, it is pretty fucked up. But perjury isn't limited to rape accusations and they can't be separated. 1/2
bufferkiller
But most importantly, we can't add the fear of prison to the fears already keeping real victims silent. We need them to speak up.
halfalbino
Rape victims are often scared to go to the police for fear of disbelief. Add the prospect of jail = more unreported rapes.
raidleadergutts
How is there a prospect of jail? The false accusation needs to be proven first. Lack of evidence of rape doesn't equal false accusation.
YamatoIouko
This is why, from what I'm seeing, that most false accusers are usually gotten on perjury.
bufferkiller
A complication people arguing for more punishment refuse to see. All they assume every case is a simple yes or no, without any maybes.
raidleadergutts
And the complication people arguing for no punishment refuse to see is that that will only encourage more false accusations.
CaptainShutTheFuckUp
But they're different crimes - a false accusation is terrible but no one was raped, which is worse.
emnotm
How precisely do you propose that law enforcement differentiate between false allegations & no-evidence cases?
raidleadergutts
No evidence means no conviction, just like rape. Unfortunate for legitimate cases, but rather a sinner outside than innocent inside.
CaptainShutTheFuckUp
I'm against the idea - I think perjury already has a punishment. This post is bullshit.
puddlebucket
i'm going to be pretty unpopular for this, but I'm not sure it is worse considering how society views rapists. Don't get me wrong rape is
puddlebucket
horrible, but if falsely accused and convicted, you have years in jail where it is likely you get raped, and then have the black mark
puddlebucket
of being labeled a sex offender for the rest of your life. Both ruin people's lives pretty darned badly.
Fantastapotomus
A false accusation is the same as actually raping someone?! So ppl who falsely accuse someone of murder should get the death penalty?
hurrdurr69
A false accusation is easily worse. Irrecoverably ruining someones life because you felt like it? Please.
Fantastapotomus
Punishment should be dealt to false accusers, but saying they are the same thing is ludicrous and hateful to actual victims of both sexes
corgisonstilts
Imgur you're beyond disgusting lately. This would vastly reduce the number of reported rapes. I was raped by my ex husband and never
raidleadergutts
How so? Just like rape, there should be a heavy need for evidence to convict. The opposite would just encourage false accusers.
corgisonstilts
Exactly just like rape you need heavy evidence. So everyone risks getting accused of false reporting
raidleadergutts
Yep. Men can accuse all they want. If they have no evidence for it, no conviction for the woman.
ParanoidWithGoodCause
I mean I've actually had to testify about it and watch a friend go to prison over something that never happened anyway.
ParanoidWithGoodCause
I understand why she did it, underage girl got pregnant by her BF and would rather pin it on someone else than lose the father of her child
corgisonstilts
Reported it because he said "who would believe you. We are married and I decorated soldier in the army." Then you people would want me to
corgisonstilts
Risk punishment for reporting. At what point is it a false accusation. I hope none of you ever have daughters that are raped since you
raidleadergutts
Way to completely miss the point. You do not risk punishment for reporting at all. You risk punishment for lying.
corgisonstilts
No you missed the point. Where do you draw the line? You have to prove a rape occurred so every rapist would a good lawyer would turn it
corgisonstilts
Think false reporting is so common
introducedspecies
If imgur cared even half as much about actual rape as they do about false accusations we'd have a much better community imo
raidleadergutts
They would have to prove that you lied for you to be punished. So it's equally shitty and hard to prove.
AmiAthena
Serve time, yes. But let's not water down the already over-applied registry.
umcats
I still want a Yelp for people. "Dated Matt. Nice guy, crazy family, good in the sack. 4.5 stars."
nadirecur
There's an app like that for women to rate their male friends and lovers. Lulu, I think it's called. They should make one for women too.
Varroth
This is all too true, we should instead put them on the ''Bat shit crazy'' registry.
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AmiAthena
False accusations hurt everyone. Actual rape victims already go through so much shit, they don't need anyone making them seem less credible.
Marshall109
Yeah and normal guys go to jail for most of their lives for no reason. Rape is serious and to lie is grave
michoobles
Rape has one of the lowest conviction rates. False accusations are almost a non-issue.
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AmiAthena
Don't make it apply to more and more things that aren't actual sex crimes.
AntiCircleJerker
Isn't ruining someone's life, limiting their job possibilities, possibly getting them thrown in prison over sexual allegations a sec crime?
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
No
nalewhine
Considering in some states you can be on it for urinating in public, streaking, or consensual car sex, I agree.
AmiAthena
Being familiar with the origin of sex offender registries, I think they can be important, but it's not helping anyone to put every person 1/
AmiAthena
who did something vaguely nude on it. It's supposed to keep people from being raped and murdered.
Firsthope
Ok so maybe they should have their own registry or some type of mandatory reporting to all the same people that the man would have had to.
legessi
Why when the sex registry really isn't that good of an idea in the first place. Having another ridiculous list is superfluous.
AmiAthena
Not letting them live near playgrounds seems somewhat arbitrary.
AmiAthena
Also, that registry would essentially be a list of women you could rape and nobody would believe them, so that seems… not smart.
myrdrah
Lupus lupus?
raidleadergutts
So let them be out there unbeknownst to the population to prey on whoever they like? Good idea, let's encourage false rape accusations.
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
no need for lists. make the false acuser pay a fine to the falsely acused.
ThePsychicZombie
Maybe we could have apps that show us where they live and everything! So we can avoid them!
Marshall109
What if they accuse someone else who didnt do it? It should be shammed and discouraged publicly
Nobody7713
Increasing the public punishment could serve to scare off actual victims from coming forward for fear of losing in court.
michoobles
Charges are usually dismissed due to lack of evidence, which is not the same as being innocent.
ProbablyYourBoss
*usually*
michoobles
Yeah, conviction rates for rape and sexual assault are really low.
thundercactus
Sex offender registry is for sex offenders, not for liars. No need to overburden an overburdened system.
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
In fact lets put *all* criminals on the sex offender registry! They should be shamed and discouraged publicly too, right? Your idea is dumb.
raidleadergutts
Wow, that was a huge leap. You should compete in the olympics.
Ds2k7
Ah, the old "popular opinion bear". Say what you want, the old memes are the best.
Bocknoi
Popular opinion bear has always been one of my favorites.
Penpadence
This exact same one has been reposted soooo many times though
sowetoninja
If this was really so damn popular, like imgurians point out every time, why is this not even close to becoming policy?
DinosaurEgg
Lol u gave me a giggle
nasreal
1. Maybe if we finally grow up in the US and attempted to actually normalize natural sexual activities by both sexes, this wouldn't be such
nasreal
2. a huge issue. Girls are made to feel ashamed of all sorts of sexual activity, by both dudes and other girls. This is our cultural norm
nasreal
3. not the exception. We have absurd abstinence only sex education in many places, causing misinformation and spread of disease. That is
nasreal
4. a driving force behind a lot of this. Be uncomfortable about it all you want, but post puberty sexual intercourse is a natural human need
nasreal
5. Demonizing it for young folks causes shame and a desire to pass off responsibility for actions when caught. This continues into adulthood
itsakidsbooksantiago
As someone who was raped, no grey areas, got a conviction & everything, this circle jerk makes me so tired.
sowetoninja
What circlejerk? How does your experience has any influence in this whatsoever? The topic is people being FALSELY accused of rape.
pangalgargblast
ah, I see. The tiredness makes sense.
itsakidsbooksantiago
It is frustrating. I don't want anyone accused falsely, at all. I also don't want anyone afraid to say it because of stuff like this.
DaryltheDeathclaw
No one will be afraid to say it just because we give people what they deserve. False accusations get jail time, no questions.
Bizzledizzle007
Doing great brian?
GlennBecksChalkboard
I like good thing / bad thing penguin a little more. But my true favorite is thing / thing penguin.
BeladridEnArr
Isn't the penguin called "socially awkward penguin" or something? Legit question, not trolling.
GlennBecksChalkboard
Blue = socially awkward. Red = socially awesome.
CesarMeillonP
Is there a passive agressive meme?
OldIronsides
That black and white duck would work...
MrRandom314159
Maybe? http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/906/766/056.jpg
BeladridEnArr
Pretty sure Kermit drinking tea is your passive aggressive one
CesarMeillonP
I really gotta start paying more attetion to all Imgur notificatios.
BeladridEnArr
Meh, stuff happens lol. I wouldn't expect any more from you than what I myself do.
lalwaysupvotecatsandTHT
I don't know, why don't you find it out yourself instead of pestering the rest of us?
lalwaysupvotecatsandTHT
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Ds2k7
mynameislinknotzelda
Do you like fish sticks?
Tyrannotron
I thought it was popular opinion puffin?
IlDovahkiin
He's being facetious
Tyrannotron
As was I.
BlackInkOutlaw
Psst lets talk over here he was joking about the fact that he used the wrong one tee hee!
Tyrannotron
OMG! AMIRITE?
FireBreathingFerret
How did you get upvotes
quadralol
There are at least 20 idiots.
MostChilledCat
and counting
Tyrannotron
Are we caring about upvotes now?
BeladridEnArr
Fake internet points are useless in the end. Here, have a fake internet point for your troubles!
Tyrannotron
It's amazing how much people care about them, when really they're just for visibility of your post/comment.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
False accusations are illegal.. And the harsh fact remains that lying isn't as bad as rape.. And should carry its own punishment.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
So ruining someones life, putting them in prison for years, and always looked at as a rapist even though your name was cleared isn't that
introducedspecies
How often are people exonerated post conviction for sex crimes? I can't imagine it's a high number
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
And because it isn't high, we shouldn't try to fix it or punish the liars harsher?
introducedspecies
Not what I meant, I'm just asking a question
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
bad? It should carry and equal punishment because it still ruins someones life just like rape.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
an*
CaptainShutTheFuckUp
Nah brah. Different crimes - different punishments. Being raped is worse than being lied about. That's not even arguable...
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
Yet they both ruined someones life.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
I understand your point. And i would actually fear that putting more strict guidelines. Its safe to say, few girls do this. But what if >
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
the victim comes forward a week or so later. Where the evidence has washed away, and its her word against his.. In that case, it would be a>
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
50/50 he said/she said.. I would hate for there to be a potential deterrent. Where in such a scenario. She could be the one in prison.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
That would be a different situation. I'm talking about the punishments women get after proving or admitting they lied.
HorribleMonster
Lying about rape has extremely damaging consequences, even if it ends up proven to be a lie. People have been driven to suicide over it.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
True, but it's still no sex offense.
CaptainShutTheFuckUp
Being lied about < being raped. Which would I prefer..hmmm. One is simply worse than the other.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
I understand this.. And it really is a lesser of 2 evils. But she has to still pass a burden of proof, to even get it to court. Its hard >
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
striking up a balance between believing a victim, which i would always do.. And the minority of girls that lie to get back at the man.
raidleadergutts
So as long as it's a minority, they should get away with it? I guess we found the false rape accuser.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
No.. I'm saying because its the minority there should be no creeping suspicion that she is lying. And how am i a false rape accuser?
HorribleMonster
I'm also not saying the accuser should be punished if the accused isn't found guilty. They should be punished if proven to be lying.
HorribleMonster
I don't really see it as the lesser of two evils. The accused are often judged and sentenced before it even sees a court.
ZeeACi
You dont see it as the lesser of two evils? So if it was rape or falsely accused of rape you would rather be raped? Peoples opinions > rape?
HorribleMonster
False accusations of rape have caused people to get fired, assaulted, and frozen out of their circles with no support left for them.
HorribleMonster
So yeah, I'd rather be raped. Being raped would damage me psychologically. False accusations could ruin my life entirely. Only #1 is fixable
HorribleMonster
People's opinions aren't simply opinions, they drive actions. Proof of not.
quade
That list is for people that commit rape and sexual assault, not just any shitty, terrible person.
Tyrannotron
It's designed so that people can take precautions against a potential sexual threat. There is an argument that this qualifies.
2kungfu4u
Exactly
linewyorkguy
Might it also include an 18 year old girl who has sex with a 16 year old guy?
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
No because most states say that its an age appropriate gap.
linewyorkguy
So, let's hope the girl is in "Most States." If not, oopsy!
DouglasRamsey
2/3 When he was 18 and she was 17 he broke up with her (different colleges, seemed reasonable). She didnt like that so to get back at him...
JuliaY
Having a list of people who falsely accuse others of rape would be a good list of people to avoid being alone with/around, to be fair.
flapperfemmefatale
Why stop with rape though? Perjury is perjury. You should be on the list if you falsely accuse anyone of anything
DouglasRamsey
1/3 Actually it's not. It's also for people caught skinny dipping or urinating in public. My friend dated a girl all senior yr of HS...
Draunamou
Both false accusations and rape have one thing in common; that's the ability to destroy someone's life:
linewyorkguy
Actually, it also may include someone who takes a piss in public and gets charged with "indecent exposure."
SvprHanc
Could we make a list for shitty and terrible people? I'd like to know if I was living next to those assholes..
AsAnArtTeacherIApprove
My next-door neighbor is definitely on that list already
mrfxsmith
You don't already know?
SvprHanc
Some are hidden, only to be unleashed at the worst time
CruisinDownTheStreet64
Or fuck your 17 year old gf on your 18th birthday
EvaUnit3
Sexual harassment is also a reason to go on the registry. This would apply I think.
junkhacker
or urinate in public
umcats
It's harsh, too harsh for the harm, but at the same time...pee in a damn bathroom like a civilized person.
AmiAthena
That one is tricky. Some creep running around exposing himself shouldn't be able to claim he was just peeing. But some guy just peeing 1/2
whatsisname
Uh no, he should be able to. The state should have to prove he was running around exposing himself rather than just peeing.
AmiAthena
shouldn't end up on a list.
Tyrannotron
IMO, it should be judged on perceived intent. Urinating shouldn't be grounds to dismiss exposure, but if you're trying to be as private 1/2
Tyrannotron
you can under the circumstances, it should not be considered a sex crime. But that's just my opinion. 2/2
UndercoverDumbledore
Exactly. Hidden behind several bins down a dark alley at 2am and stood in the middle of a busy high street at 2pm are entirely different.
Hayeksplosives9451
Fine different list. Still needs to be a list. She shouldn't be believed again.
raidleadergutts
You are right. And considering that people who falsely accuse people of rape aren't "just any shitty, terrible person", this surely applies.
Nobody7713
No, but nor are they a sex offender. That list is so neighbours know if people around them might rape them.
raidleadergutts
And they should be included so that people around know if that person can falsely accuse someone of rape. It is pretty shitty and flawed.
raidleadergutts
Like if a guy is on the list for being falsely accused but not removed from the list. He is an easy target for false accusations. 2
DouglasRamsey
3/3 She went to police and said he raped her. He's now a registered sex offender, and never got to go to college. That list is a joke
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
How you do you know he didnt? Usually a conviction requires more than just an accusation.
DouglasRamsey
Mainly b/c she said the 'rape' was a house party where we were all together. and i know for a fact that they were never alone.
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
How was he convicted then? There would gave to have been a rape kit done if it happened at a party. Or evidence of it occurring.
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Or did you testify as a witness considering you were at the party and can verify they were not aline at the party where the rape occurred.
DouglasRamsey
and im good friends now with one of her girlfriends from high school who confided in her when drunk that she made it up to get back at him
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Did she testify? Or get involved in an appeal as a witness? Thats pretty key info if that is true. if not she is lying.
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Again, kinda hearsay. Breaking up for college isnt usually a vengeance seeking action.
DouglasRamsey
1/2 well as I said this girl is truly an awful person and a serial liar. Im not just saying that to be like "oh yea, that bitch is crazy"
DouglasRamsey
2/2 Yes I did testify. no one seemed to care about facts. The whole case revolved around him being 18 and continuously violating a minor.
eion85
Ah yes, the solution in search of a problem. Unreported rapes are far more common than false accusations of rape.
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eion85
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States Smart people study this.
ParanoidWithGoodCause
so what you are saying is that it's safer for men to commit rape than to have consensual sex because they are less likely to be accused?
Branmaster4
How the fuck would you know if they're unreported?
eion85
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States Smart people study this.
Branmaster4
Smart people get their facts from Wikipedia?
eion85
Smart people look at the sources at the bottom and understand that Wikipedia is a sourced encyclopedia.
Branmaster4
That you can edit freely....
angeld0ve
False accusations happen more than u think
eion85
2-10%, depending on your definition of "false" according to the best studies. And most of those never get to trial, let alone conviction.
justadeepspacetree
Tell that to the guy who gets falsely accused
SirDerpingtonIV
So only solve big problems instead of all of them?
MoonFaceinc
'the solution in search of a problem' - imma jot that down and save it for later.
JohnnyTitelips
... There is absolutely no way to know that. Unreported rapes are unreported, and false accusations of rape are often believed to be true.
RyukR
Regardless, bitches shouldn't falsely accuse people of rape if they want to the real cases to be taken more seriously
RyukR
It perpetuates rape culture and makes woman think that it ok to make false accusations cause "all men are rapists"
EvaUnit3
Correction: PROVEN false accusations happen less than unreported rapes. We will never know about the ones that were falsely convicted.
Ffleance
You can say the same for any crime... Falsely convicted murder, falsely convicted burglary...
EvaUnit3
Exactly
CitizenDickbag
Convictions for rape are notoriously difficult to obtain. It is relatively rare for an accused rapist to be convicted.
ParanoidWithGoodCause
however it's relatively easy to convict an innocent person who's dumb enough to believe that the system will work.
CitizenDickbag
No, it isn't. Convictions of innocent people are very rare.
ParanoidWithGoodCause
according to what? conviction rate is tied strongly to being able to hire the better lawyers, are you saying all poor people are criminals.
aprilludgateduire
I know what you're saying, but how could anyone know how many unreported rapes there are
dangerkitty
Indirect metrics can help extrapolate some sense of what's missing. Also, related data such as men in support groups vs. reports.
WhatAnInformationTease
Thank you. I wish certain people would focus more on the many suffering from rape than the few suffering from false accusations.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
So because the are more common we should ignore the other problem and continue to let it ruin people's lives? I don't get your logic.
ssjalhazred
The logic here is something like "okay but who cares about that problem, what about the problem I can use to push my agenda?"
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
We should be for harsher punishments for both rape and false claims. It isn't a competition that one has to be worse.
eion85
Unfounded accusations are 2-10%, 59-95% of rapes are unreported. Perjury exists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
This isn't about it being uncommon. Its about WHEN it happens they don't get a real punishment for ruining someones fucking life.
eion85
We have perjury and filing false police reports. Get prosecutors to use the laws already on the books. New laws are not the answer.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
Not new laws, fuck its like you aren't even paying attention and just spouting up shit. Harsher fucking punishments
tzap
Goes for any crime. Should people only report crime if they are 100% sure they will win the case or else risk going to jail themselves?
raidleadergutts
Why would they go to jail? Like rape has to be proven, so should false accusations. No evidence, no punishment.
tzap
It's the risk of it. Sometimes people are falsely punished and it's something people do fear. Also the idea of ending up to months or 1/2
tzap
.. longer into investigations and courts and having search warrants against you etc even if you're innocent, is scary in itself. 2/2
raidleadergutts
And being falsely accused isn't extremely terrifying, right? Who cares about innocent men? Let's not discourage women.
ularg
Everyone in this fucking thread wants anyone who can't prove 100% they were raped to have their life ruined of course they're not forward
raidleadergutts
be PROVEN that the accusation is false for the accusers life to be ruined, but no one is listening to that. Let's let every woman who 2
raidleadergutts
No. Everyone in this fucking thread wants to throw innocent men under the bus because it might discourage women from reporting. It has to 1
raidleadergutts
has been proven to have falsely accused a man of rape get away with a slap on the wrist so we don't discourage potential victims. Fuck off.3
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DickButtMcGruff
Posting a video of laci Greene automatically and completely discredits anything you have or will ever say.
allclownsareevil
WTF? One deals with the reporting of a crime, the other deals with the punishment of a crime. One thing has nothing to do with other.
tinkerbug
The stigma of being called a liar, and worry about not enough evidence for a conviction deters victims from reporting it.
allclownsareevil
No. There's a BIG difference between unproven rape and entirely false accusations. Re-read the OP. False accusations can ruin lives.
DickButtMcGruff
So you're saying that women should be allowed to lie about rape all they want, so that actual victims can feel comfortable?
xrufus7x
Purgery is already a crime and unreported rape percentages far outweigh false accusations/convictions.
tinkerbug
No, straw man much? I'm just saying the two are related.
considerthis
Therefore, there shouldn't be consequences for being proven as lying about rape? What you're insinuating is ridiculous.
tinkerbug
No, what would you regard as proven to be lying? If someone is found innocent at trial that doesn't necessarily mean the victim is 1/?
tinkerbug
Guilty of purgery. For any criminal prosecution, the burden of proof is too high too definitively say what happened when the verdict 2/?
ssjalhazred
The fact that another problem exists does not make the first problem OK.
RogueTampon
It's a very simplistic thought process to assume presenting a related second problem is excusing the first problem.
xrufus7x
Considering that 2% to 8% of rapes are found to be unsubstantiated we really shouldn't be taking action to discourage real victims.
PikkuPiko
And how does the number of unreported rapes justify not having comparable sentencing for false accusations?
mfdaw
Look up the punishment for perjury.
raidleadergutts
Not the same as rape. Nice try.
mfdaw
It's absolutely not the same thing, you're right. Why would it carry the same punishment? Do you know how ludicrous that sounds?
raidleadergutts
Because both ruin lives, and people who do either are disgusting subhuman filth who should not see the light of day.
MintMission
For example, this really sad story: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/12/16/an-unbelievable-story-of-rape?ref=hp-2-112#.qGvk9jZZZ
justhereforvoting
Poor Marie. That's really put a damper on my day. I'm glad these sorts of victims are getting voices now
AliElkie
That was long but completely worth the read. Heartbreaking what happened to her
OverRatedNinja
I'm glad I took the time to read that. Poor Marie. She lost credibility coz she was already so screwed up. Poor girl
MintMission
Sentencing for false accusations may further deter people from reporting real crimes in fear of being punished. Our legal system isn't 1/2
MintMission
perfect, so that could happen. If the number of unreported rapes is already high, we shouldn't further disincentivize reporting. 2/2
DickButtMcGruff
If they are unreported, how do you know about them? *Mic drop*
MintMission
Just like we know about illegal immigrants. Anonymous surveys... Do you even google, bro?
webcamtarantula
IMO justice and equality are far more important than maintaining the number of reports.
MintMission
The suffering of the many over the justice for the one. It's a common held belief, especially in action movies.
YoWhatUpGlasgow
We're comparing estimates here though, we literally have no idea how many rapes are unreported, how many that are reported are false or true
xrufus7x
So we should make laws based off of our gut feelings? The statistics are the best thing we have to go on.
YoWhatUpGlasgow
The point is these stats can never be anything more than a guess because accurate data here is not possible.
xrufus7x
Yah but if we are talking about creating laws or increasing sentencing the data that we are able to extrapolate should be considered1/2
xrufus7x
2/2 before confession bears and feelings on the matter.
YoWhatUpGlasgow
Sentencing should reflect the harm done to society and to genuine victims being believed rather than how common any crime is imo
Meyek
Good thing false accusations are already illegal.
MundaneFinality
Unless your name is jackie and go to a newspaper, first.
NekkidSnek
And they are rarely, if ever prosecuted, and the ones that are receive nearly no punishment at all
XaiaX
Just like rapists, so it's about even, no?
NekkidSnek
convictions of rapists are easy when YOU GO THE FUCKING POLICE IMMEDIATELY.
XaiaX
There's only about 6% chance a reported rape will lead to a conviction, so no, you're wrong.
NekkidSnek
because most people either do not go to the police, or wait too long. your numbers are based on overall claims vs convictions.
ShoopDeDoop
That's true, but that wasn't OP's point. Illegal or not, he wants them to be registered as sex offenders and have to serve jail time.
BurnsDream
so illegal that they set the offenders free for fear of scaring off actual rape victims, my god its horrendous
kofjfsfsf
but they arent punished for it hard enough because "it might discourage future victims to report cases of rape"
FaultyStarsNoConstellations
I believe they fear that women who just can't prove their rape will be prosecuted as false claim, which would be dangerous
raidleadergutts
That is retarded. Just like rape, there needs to be evidence of lying to prosecute. Refusing to punish proven ones encourages false accusers
FaultyStarsNoConstellations
I didn't say it was right, I just offered an explenation as to why it might be like that
raidleadergutts
Look at you, pretending that the punishments for it are on par with rape.
NabyArmeDrommel
And can you provide an example of a false accuser suffering anywhere to the same degree of the accused or punished to the same degree?
epipenis
Why would they be equal punishments? If someone falsely accused someone of murder we wouldn't expect them to maybe get the death penalty?!?
NabyArmeDrommel
I didn't say equally. I'm saying to the same degree as the pain and suffering caused to the person falsely accused.
R3tr0P0tat0
Women traditionally get softer sentences than men. It should be equal. It's what they fucking want, right?
pgdave
Yes, feminists have argued that the way that society treats men as inherently dangerous is a problem.
Branmaster4
No, they want men subjugated. They simply hate men and want the political privilege that men once enjoyed
DongSayaDae
All the feminists out there voicing about equality, sure as hell aint equal... its just men being trash and women queens... equal my weenie.
DongSayaDae
People missing my point i guess- Wanting equality is normal, what everyone should want, being a feminist is just that, it is not equal but
DongSayaDae
females getting it easier because they are females, genders doesnt matter as much as people talking about it make it matter. of course it is
R3tr0P0tat0
It's hard to type sarcasm. I'm so glad you got it.
Firsthope
Yeah right. It's illegal but never enforced. It should be mandatory time on the sex offender list.
m0sley
Is there such a thing as voluntary time on the sex offenders register?
quicksendhelp
I was accused of rape by a neighbor girl she has 8 previous accusations against other people in the past 2 years and the court was just 1/?
quicksendhelp
Like ok well ur not guilty from your evidence and her always changing story.. But I got a warning of u was accused again if probably be 2/3
quicksendhelp
Convicted. .. And she didn't even get in trouble of any kind was just like ur not guilty k bye
IllusivePanda
How about a different list, a "lied about rape never trust me list" legally required to mention before job interviews and when meeting ppl
daelith
Why? We put people the piss outdoors on the sex offender's list for "exposure," why not people that lie about sex acts?
ssjalhazred
Because if we did that it would hurt a popular agenda.
starscape678
But that would ruin the person's life! You can't do that, it's what happens when a man is falsely accused of rape! Oh wait...
flapperfemmefatale
Lying isn't a sex offense. And if you want a perjury list, all perjurers should go on there.
GeoTeacher
The sex offender list doesn't make much sense. If they were put on a list,it would need to be some sort of slander or false accusations list
Darkspire
Yeah it does, actually. It's the stigma associated with it. A separate list would not have the same effect.
DevMaster10
No, it doesn't. A sex offenders list is for people who have committed SEX offences, false accusations aren't sex offences.
Darkspire
TIL peeing outside is a sex offense. http://www.menshealth.com/guy-wisdom/you-might-be-sex-offender-and-not-know-it
Studoku
The penalty can range from a slap on the wrist to being told not to do it again.
Justineer
Unpopular truth bear: the reason for the lax penalties is to keep actual victims unafraid of coming forward out of fear of jail time.
bufferkiller
This is something few people seem to understand.
stexem
The penalties obviously shouldn't be applied if there's just not enough evidence. They should be applied if the rape claim is proven false.
Gomer592
call the cops, get a rape kit done, the 'i regret it so it wasn't me' crap has to stop
XaiaX
Maybe once it actually starts.
frosty147
You literally have to be caught in a lie to face punishment. "Fear of jail time" for actual rape victims is irrational. Not good enough.
Bb4816
Luckily after traumatic experiences (that often come with promises that no one will believe the victim), people always think rationally.
Justineer
Thanks everyone for understanding me despite the terrible sentence structure. I've been multitasking.
kevincow
Maybe. But letting false rape accusations go also hurts real rape victims by making real rape accusations questionable.
Gomer592
if a mugger rape, its easy, cut the balls off and shove it down his throat. the 'i cant believe i did that last night' makes me scared
XaiaX
Don't be, it's mostly an urban legend, The false report rate for rape is no higher than other crimes, and the conviction rate is super low.
Gomer592
if me and her are drunk, who is the rapist..., we both wanted it then... the law is shit and poorly written.
SFMGifs
But by the same definition, it doesn't dissuade females from simply calling rape if they regret their last one night stand.
XaiaX
No, what dissuades them is that men don't believe them and nothing actually comes of it.
ForgeoftheWordsmith
There is a huge amount of statistical evidence that says this practically NEVER happens. Why keep acting like it's so common?
DukeDark
Link or gtfo
TheNoblePizzaDragonWhoLivesInYourFridge
Honestly, I'll probably stick firm with my christian "No sex until marrige" belief just so that I'm 100% sure me and whoever I fall in love
TheNoblePizzaDragonWhoLivesInYourFridge
with are trusting with each other and so on, so very little risk of this stuff happening.
Justineer
I'd rather the law favor a criminal going free over an innocent be jailed.
chettlar
Right....sooooooo why are you ignoring the men in this situation who get jailed even though innocent..
Gomer592
FUCKIN HELL, no one knows this Quote? the right to trial? half the bill of rights came from this....
DeoxiriboNukleinSyra
Umm?
cbowsin
Right, today it is better a man is the victim than a woman if I understand the logic.
Flyersfan315
Yeah because that's what was said...