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TheGame21x
It always amazes me that the only time I see free speech defended on this site is when its being brought up to defend bigots.
Northyy
I tried to click the play button...what a fucking idiot.
iamtheonewhobeards
You ever see one of these idiots with a confederate flag sticker AND an American flag? I don't think they know what either means...
sslih
Well she's right tho, you shouldn't silence any opinion because if you start doing that it WILL get out of controll
RVME
Slavery was against our Constitution.....even if it took 200 years to talk about it. White supremacy is still scientifically illogical.
HazerWanKenobi
Why is no one addressing the real issue? Why cant he take a screenshot without thr volume level? Its 2017 for crying outloud.
Jusmar
I wasn't aware it was currentyear. That changes everything
Bullheadbelly
Is that a traitors flag I see.
DaedaIus
No, that one has 50 stars and 13 stripes
acme64
found the brit
gtmiller
One could argue that using hate speech in certain circumstances is not protected, ie to incite violence or harm. This is not such a case.
Ragnarok1030
"Hate speech" is subjective
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gtmiller
Some countries do, such as Germany. We in the US do not.
Elroydb
That is EXTREMELY limited in scope. It has to present an immediate threat
Munchman347
'They're tryin to erase our history!' Where are all the monuments to the slaves?...
danemackey
New Orleanian here. Just replace them all with statues that look similar but are completely different. Put Lincoln on a horse or something.
Nalianna
*unicorn.
Sully0811
I think Sherman would get a better response.
JustAnotherCynicToo
ThatOtherTransGirl
It's technically not even the Confederate national flag and the color of the Cross is darker than their Naval Jack.
Cyzyk
Celebrating the battle flag of the armies who lost to a drunk and a schizo is also questionable.
DaedaIus
It was also flown regularly in WW2 by American troops.
BillOreillyisaSexualPredator
HA! :D
ChefGavinB
Isn't that a verbal assault? Wouldn't it fall in line with hate crime. I can't go around cursing the Jews, chinks and spics without backlash
LameclestheLame
Not without social backlash, as these people are receiving. Just don't say "I'm going to kill fucking stinky-butt gay Asian Jew Muslims."
AwesomeName
As much as I hate extremists spewing their bullshit, I am glad the police protects them. It's preferable to them arming themselves.
ProfessorYaffle
That's basically just a development of what she said but, fine to join in.
goingtogoeatworms
They came to town armed, but were told that city ordinance doesn't allow for open Cary during protests.
goingtogoeatworms
*carry
TheGame21x
They're going to arm themselves regardless.
SirusKing
Except they arm themselves anyway, and then actually carry out their threats. Racists aren't just spewing empty-words, they back them up.
LoneTurnip
These people must not have jobs if they're standing out there all day. I'm not even allowed a lunch break.
aselfdefeatingattitude
ShartyParty
OPS3C
Fascism, communinsm, socialism, all equally evil, all anti liberty.
TheToiletnator
Those systems themselves are in no way inherently evil. It is people in charge of them that direct the moral compass.
Elroydb
Communism quite clearly calls for purges and strongly advocates a disconnected central apparatus to organize the state
realskramz
Lmao this is great
prosperity42
Level 85 isn't even the level cap in wow anymore
overdrv
The real confederate flag is a white flag of surrender.
jwax33
Sully0811
A traitor downvoted you, so I upvoted.
DaedaIus
I've heard Vietnam say the same thing about the American flag
JackalopeElope
Is Vietnam Communist? No? Then mission fuckin' accomplished.
Republiken
Americans that think the US won the Vietnam War are so adorable! ❤️
DaedaIus
It is communist
JackalopeElope
I stand corrected.
DaedaIus
I'm sorry I ruined your "MURICA" we can talk about the battle of Yorktown if you like.
f00g3n
Why is a significant part of America flying the flag of insurection, asks the puzzled foreigner.
TheDerkus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy
f00g3n
Shouldn't the army take down such rebel insignia and fly the flag of the actual nation?
teuro
Quite revealing when you look which protests cops decide to protect
BillysLegendaryCrack
Yes it shows how horrible the protesters are that the police know they are going to incite anger and violence towards themselves.
jwax33
Police are there to prevent violence between protesters and counter-protesters. They wind up protecting a lot of unpopular minority opinion
SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem
What I was thinking... police shooting protesters? DAPL? Get riot gear on and crush them. Ring wing hate groups? Protect and serve.
DaedaIus
That's why ANTIFA has had hundreds of casualties, right?
SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem
(for the record I'm advocating protecting everyone's speech and protesting rights, not for taking away the white supremacists')
JackalopeElope
The KKK are smart enough not to provoke the police or throw the first punch. They understand that judges will show them no mercy.
BillysLegendaryCrack
Maybe because a small group saying horrible rage inducing things are gonna get assaulted or killed and a large crowd of angry people are 1/2
BillysLegendaryCrack
likely to cause harm, no matter how righteous. Both are things the police are supposed to prevent. 2/2
BillysLegendaryCrack
Though of cause causing undue harm to any protester or person is fucking unforgivable, especially for the police.
GQPisadeathcult
Accepting all speech as acceptable is why America is in its current situation. We hate to draw lines and everything is a slippery slope.
brobinson2001
Even worse, two years later
TroutYabo
Tariq Nasheed is fucking garbage.
bgb327
All speech should be protected. The press needs to put their pictures and names out to the public. There is a reason they wear hoods.
gtmiller
No, it absolutely should not. All political speech should be protected. Declaration to harm is and should be outlawed.
Locolarue
Define "declaration to harm".
gtmiller
Based on previous case law it can be illusive to define. But there is a consensus that there must be a clear and present danger.
gtmiller
There was a court case about whether a rape song about murdering your ex constitutes a threat.
HighlySexualLobster
Id argue for greater policing of domestic terrorist, but i don't think doxxing is a good idea.
bb2b
I would just like to point out that free speech prevents the government from silencing its citisens. Not its citisens against other citisens
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bb2b
To be fair, that's more people in general. We want the ability to say and do as we need or want. But, can't. We don't exist in vacuums.
TastyBrainMeats
Assault laws prevent citizens from silencing other citizens.
bb2b
Which is fair. No one exists in a vacuum.
Fahargo
Free speech is a concept. Not just some law provided from government.
RhetoricalRobot
You're confusing freedom of speech with the right to speech.
CapnMerica123
Are you familiar with the bill of rights?
lisalombs
The First Amendment is not the same thing as the concept of free speech.
basicwhitelich
The plaque on the statue: http://images.gawker.com/1414271877477494414/original.jpg
FreshPrinceofDenmark
Wow. Just horrible. Look at that text alignment. You couldn't even center it? How embarrassing and ignorant.
rocketman89
Gotta love the irony of the CSA calling the Union "usurpers".
Elroydb
They're not wrong but usurping the "right" to own other humans is legitimate
Ruhig
Wow.
Noblert
Yikes
Smayds
I now understand what this "fake news" thing is.
Smayds
Although technically this is fake olds.
FloatingSpaceMan
Your going to be on gawker
mufasa6002
I read this in that girl's voice
HotSpoon
Ha ha The South lost, The Union won.
mowerguy
And yet the drinking age is 21 everywhere...
TestPattern
The Union won the war but lost the peace by allowing white supremacists to suppress black votes and dominate southern politics
srsfaceI8C
Legitimately surprised that hasn't been defaced. It's been standing for what, 150 years? Not one youth decided to fuck it up?
mowerguy
.... That was taken down like a week ago under the cover of night, historians, those defending it and those opposing it all think this 1/2
shookiebird
You are bullshitting. I live here and only pro-confederates think it was a dirty move.
mowerguy
When I get home I'm happy to link the interview, allot of people felt they were robbed of celebrating the monument coming down, they were 1/
mowerguy
After all celebrating years of hard work 2/2
mowerguy
Was a dirty move 2/2
goingtogoeatworms
They were hoping to avoid huge protests and protect the workers who were paid to remove them. I disagree that everyone thought this was bad
mowerguy
I agree,i may have over shared there. just trying to point out that was not the monument in question. Facts are important.
rocketman89
One could argue that putting up a monument to white supremacy is also a dirty move.
mowerguy
I'm not arguing either, just pointing out that this is not the monument in question
LordKrondor9000
They did it under cover of night to protect the workers that had multiple death threats sent their way.
TankEngineer
Where can I get one?
mowerguy
BoatswainsMate
This you?
GlowstickJedi
Somewhere backwater shitberg in the 19th century.
IWishIWereADoggo
I think those monuments should be saved. It's not pretty history, but removing them and pretending it never happened is worse
gtmiller
Yes, but there is such a matter of taste. And they flag has more meaning now thatn it did in the 19th century.
AnonymousBach
They're not being demolished, they're being put in museums.
Schmedes
HiddenSanity
They're being saved, just in the context of a museum instead of plopped into a historically black community as an insult.
flapperfemmefatale
There's a difference between remembrance and celebration. Statues in public places are the latter.
flapperfemmefatale
And if your only exposure to Civil War history is a statue, you already failed at history.
TestAccount321
If they want history, they can go to a fucking history book.
WontSomeonePleaseThinkOfTheChildren
Read what's on most of them. They have no business being in public spaces.
IveBeenSlackingMyWholeLife
And what if people were asked to leave Nazi monuments in place after the fall of Berlin?
homoerection
So Germany should still have statues and monuments of Hitler and his government?
MichaelHames
Well Austria has a chain of nazi themed restaurants
Kitastrophe
Only the ones that say stuff about the master race and how lesser folk should be exterminated. Like how this one says whites are superior
FreyaNicci
The statues of immoral traitors are going to a warehouse or a museum. Not being destroyed, as they should be.
IWishIWereADoggo
I agree that they should be preserved that way. The tweet in itself gives more of a vibe that they were going to be destroyed
Shoutrr
put them in a museum of prehistoric thinking
AskMeIfImFunAtParties
Put them in a museum.
usquixoticparvenus
Books are for remembering. Monuments are for glorifying.
belltyler9
It's still a part of history, bad or good
Thefluffernutter
Okay so why does that entitle it to glorification?
belltyler9
It's not entitled to it, it's a part of American history, move it to a museum or something like that but they shouldn't be destryoed
Thefluffernutter
Yeah, no one is destroying them. They are just being moved to museums.
RyenTTD
Ah, but no one reads.
TheClayKnight
Monuments on public display yes. That's why we put them in museums now
bunhilda
Ya but who writes them?
AwesomeName
Tell that to the people who removed the statue of the saluting Nazi soldier from our church door.
TestAccount321
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/the-stubborn-persistence-of-confederate-monuments/479751/ These "monuments" were put
TestAccount321
literally for the sake of spiting black people. These fucks can get bent.
genericusername66
Virtue signalling
dowhut
Agreed. I was not aware of what the plaques on them apparently say, however. Remove the plaques? I don't feel like this solves any issues 1/
dowhut
This is our history, however painful it may be. Why not petition/ask for funding/seek grants to build statues commemorating non-white 2/?
dowhut
War heroes? Or people who fought against the south in the south, leaders of the URR? Have a greater representation of the country's 3/?
dowhut
People/history. Glorify those who have been marginalized and forced into the "other."
vietarmis
They're being moved out of historic black neighborhoods, not demolished. The memorials were built to insult and oppress, not commemorate.
Chrispybobispy
Thats interesting i havent heard that in the news
IStoleALoafOfBread
If you look up with inscriptions on the monuments, they refer blatantly to white supremacy
yummmmm
HOLY SHIT. i had no idea how much these things referred to white supremacy.
BattloidKouji
Yeah, they were definitely not battlefield memorials or anything like that.
BattloidKouji
Exactly. At least one of those monuments originally said explicitly on it that it was in recognition of "white supremacy in the south".
BattloidKouji
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/apnewsbreak-orleans-confederate-statues-46977416 (warning autoplay video, sorry)
MrShpoople
That's exactly right. I was kind of 50/50 on this until I read the words on those so-called monuments. Basically everything but the n word
NotACop1515IsMyAgeNotACop
Nutella?
IdontshaveforSherlock
I love hazelnoots
NurseSlacky
Speech should be protected. History should not be erased. Rape and murder and enslavement should not be glorified or romanticized. Basic.
theredfox64
Insulting someone or a race is not protected, and should not be.
GandyDancer04
In America it most certainly is protected.
theredfox64
It is not, if I insult and defame you, you can sue me for defamation and slander
gtmiller
*Political speech should be protected. US would recognize this as political, elsewhere might not. Germany definite no.
HiddenSanity
The plan is to move the statues into museums.
thedadwhobeatshiskidwithjumpercables
It doesn't have to be erased but it also doesn't have to be proudly displayed in town square.
IStoleALoafOfBread
You can remove the monuments and not erase history. Keeping them in place is allowing glorification of their original intent & inscriptions
davernow
Yeah but maybe, and hear me out on this, tear down the fucking monuments celebrating the racist cunts.
matthewsavino1996
I think that the statues belong in museums.
JackHarknessNerdySidekick
Getting rid of a monument celebrating assholes does not "erase history"
Renza0
It's apparently no longer enslavement, it's "arranged workers"
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Right, things like this should be treated like Auschwitz or Dachau in Germany. We leave it up as a reminder of what not to do in the future.
iamamitten
Never forget - http://blog.sfgate.com/ybenjamin/2010/05/21/texas-approves-renaming-slave-trade-as-atlantic-triangular-trade/
harpoons
Let's put the white supremacy statue in a museum then.
docblock
They put many of these in black neighborhoods specifically as a "Fuck you" to black people.
IdontshaveforSherlock
You got a source for that?
missleadinginiformation
I did stay at a holiday in express once..
IdontshaveforSherlock
You can save money on your car insurance in just 15 minutes.
BassNAss
Are you inferring the monument is a tribute to rape, murder and enslavement?
itsthevoiceman
Considering our past, yes. It's easily directly related to those very things.
BassNAss
That's a fantastic perspective to hold if your goal is to marginalize history.
flapperfemmefatale
You mean like how minority histories have been marginalized?
ChaoticMarin
Fucking horrible parts of history SHOULD be marginalized. They belong in books, meseums and debate. Not society as a whole.
OstrichNeckedBastard
I see two sides to this. Your side and the side that if we don't have reminders of history we will repeat it. Who knows which is correct?
DarkSock
So by that logic there should still be swastikas on German civic buildings today, just like there's still confederate flags in Mississippi?
dan144
Not the guy, but I think he meant they should be taken down but not forgotten/erased. At least that's how I feel about it.
DarkSock
Well sure, display it in a museum… But flying on the state flag? That's wrong, & I live in Mississippi; most Mississippians agree with me.
DarkSock
But as is usually the case, it comes down to a small minority of screeching assholes. Also, screeching assholes would be a good band name
dan144
I'm pretty sure we agree. NOLA's right to take down these monuments and SC was right to stop flying the Conf flag. But we can't forget it.
DarkSock
We would all be well-advised to never forget it. Those proposing to break up the EU didn't directly experience the horrors of World War II.
MostPeopleAreIdiots
There's a massive difference between erasing history and choosing not to celebrate parts of it.
NurseSlacky
Thank you. Your username is appropriate af. No one seems to grasp that it's okay to admit we fucked up but stop putting the shit on shirts.
ImTheReasonYourSocksAreAlwaysMissing
Which is why these monuments belong in a museum. To remain visible, but to cease being a public glorification of past evils.
Arizoniac
Does anyone know what the current plan is for them?
MichaelHames
Destruction unfortunately
zehgess
They're going to be moved and stored in warehouse until they're sanctioned for a new area to be displayed, they have to be by federal law.
TwistedBlue
I mostly agree but with this logic should we not let the Germans keep all their Hitler monuments?
itsthevoiceman
Yes. Let them keep those monuments in a controlled learning environment.
nekobaka
But, like, we don't want them either
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
That's a sticky wicket. On the one hand you can't just have statues of Hitler all over the damn place but on the other we shouldn't try to 1
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
pretend like it never happened. I think Germany has struck a good balance by getting rid of most of the iconography but leaving places 2
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
like Auschwitz and Dachau intact as memorials/museums. 3/3
CertifiedTintinologist
I want those crackers scalped. How bout that?
ImTheReasonYourSocksAreAlwaysMissing
as a cracker, agreed
caboops
We can assault people for words and opinions?
CertifiedTintinologist
Not just assault. I want them dead.
thegreatheed
No, we can't. We can say that we want to, though. (I don't want to, but of course this is detestable).
caboops
Inciting violence against someone is protected speech? Are you sure?
thegreatheed
You need to read my comment a little more closely.