Apr 26, 2022 2:17 PM
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Ragu: https://youtu.be/hKdpzagTUxk
dk1701
Kerbals! Go Jeb, go!
JustJimWillDo
We didn't have fancy gifs when I was a 10 year old in 1969, but I soaked up all the orbital mechanics needed for Apollo 11 from newspapers!
Muffyns
This is how you fly Nomai ships in Outer Wilds
Watchman85
Well, 34 seconds, but who's counting...
IamnotSpartacuseither
Fastest way to learn orbital mechanics... play Kerbal Space Program
Magnebro
I wholly approved of everyone instantly thinking KSP
bingtittletittlebong
Something something Kerbal
willpostanything
WITH A CALCULATOR!!
TheAdventuresofCarltheIncompetentLabAssisstant
Or as I call it "Falling With Style"
EyeMaMeatPopsical
Jebediah?
MarkSengenberger
This was fantastic!
BananaforScale3d
Ilikestealingdadjokes
Get Spaceflight Simulator for your phone. You're welcome everyone.
skipsh2
We get it, you play kerbal. :P
TheScaryDoor
KSP taught me a lot, like 'periapsis' and 'apoapsis' and 'is it technically a crash if it exploded on the launchpad?'
JimboTCB
"Unscheduled rapid disassembly event"
hardytardigrade
This is cool, but the ship is so small I can't see the mechanics
scootwhoman
Going so fast, you fall right past the planet. 'Free fall'.
akspartankiiier
Well, now I’m pretty sure I can launch a rocket into space.
tiredandtrusted
During what periods would one experience zero gravity?
RatDotl
Constantly none.
Rogahar
There was a 'game' at an space-themed museum we went to when I was a kid that had you try to gauge the amount of thrust to apply to >
> a rocket in order for it to end up in orbit. Mine immediately nosedived into the ground. My brothers left orbit and disappeared into >
> space. My Dad almost got it right, but his still came down after a while. Weird little memory that just cropped back up thanks to this.
Hellbrand
patched conic orbital mechanics*
zalurker
So. To quote Douglas Adams. 'The trick to flying, was falling, but missing the ground.'
goldfishyo
I "learned" this shit in university by I never truly understood it until I played KSP.
Frederf
ardtay
The animation doesn't really show it, but it's like playing billiards on an uneven surface. The Earth's in a gravity well, you have to go
fast to climb out of it and you get slower as you get "higher". Like an airplane trading speed for altitude. But you have to retain enough
speed to make it over the hump between the earth & moon. IIRC the Apollo capsules got down to about 1500mph or so and then sped back up to
5300mph or so falling towards the moon
colopctech
Kerbs flying through space forever....
UltraLincoln
Fine, I'll reinstall Kerbal!
AzraelTheSorrowful
I'm waiting on the sequel
somnif
I hope it's decent. The developer drama and engine change worry me quite a bit.
As with most games, I'm hopeful but wary. Not a lot of gameplay has been shown, but they claim vanilla colonies, interstellar flight 1/?
multiplayer, along with a ton of QoL features without mods, while still supporting mods. So, things might be great. 2/2
Idontneedrealfacts
Yeah, it's been a while and I do love that game. I could never manage orbital docking though. Couldn't get ships to match speeds
spaghettiThunderbolt
Key is to get into a higher or lower orbit than your target, plan a burn that intersects the target's orbit and gets you nice and close to
it (maneuver planner is a godsend for this), and then match the target's orbit once you're close (~3km or so is generally good enough). And
beyond making sure you get close to it, completely ignore your target until you're in the same orbit and actually going to dock with it.
breothskin
Orbital docking in low kerbin orbit is for physicists who are also ballerinas…. I used to do all my docking a high orbit to slow it all down
mrbomb1339
I should start playing KSP again, still waiting for KSP2 to come out
Nathanyel
For less unforgiving controls but a captivating story, try Outer Wilds (not Worlds, Wilds)
GloriousPirateBeard
Not the same in any way, but a FAR superior game
ChaoticSquid
Good luck with KSP2. It's changed studios, had a big corporate controversy and been delayed multiple times. I'm not holding out for it.
TheSecondPiewackit
I'll give it a shot even if I know it's not going to be everything I wanted.
Malibloo
I... was not aware of this, damn. Was looking forward to the game too. :C
Seventythird
Pretty sure the studio got bought out / went under and a lot of the devs moved to the new one.
TheWhiteBarry
Let us take solace in the fact that they've already sunk a ton of cash and want to see some return on it.
I know it, still looking forward to giving it a try though when it eventually does come
Same, but I'm not expecting anything mind-blowing, and I'm expecting it in 2023 at the earliest.
ProxyPlayerHD
welp, time for some people to create OSP (Open Space Program)
Crazywelderguy
Do you think it won't come out? despite covid and the studio stuff, it seems good progress has been made, and updates 1/month
I'm thinking it'll come out earliest mid-2023 and won't have anywhere near the content they've promised, or will be a buggy mess
Apart from them reiterating on the interstellar travel stuff a couple of weeks ago they've been silent for 5 months
qtRaven
So many dead Kerbals...
Idsertian
RIP, Jedediah.
DameDePiques
Fun part : if your ship end up stranded in orbit without any fuel to come back, they live forever, stranded in their spaceship.
Unless you can manage an orbital docking (which is way over my current abilities) to rescue it, I guess...
Leonon
Do they still have unlimited EVO fuel refills when you enter and exit a capsule? In the past you could "get out and push" your way home.
But don't you burn on reentry?
SoupCanMan
It's so random. Somehow I got a small satalite with full extension on the solar array to survive re-entry. With only my antenna blowing off.
cakeordeathdeathimeancake
So this is how you play Kerbal Space Program
PikaChunin
Well, usually you preform a Hohmann transfer, but essentially yes.
MindOfMobius
Yes
IlDepo
This, plus a whole set of curse words.
Yeah, this literally looks like the Orbital Tracker Station view. Down to the dotted projection with the solid trajectory.
thetonestarr
Yeah I was just talking about this with a friend a few days ago. Now I have to go play it
Alright I got as far as doing a flyby of the Mun during lunch break; will try flying by Minmus later tonight
Potts
Land on Minmus first, it's easier and you get just as much science data!
8166uy
No, there you just strap on more boosters until you succeed.
houpbajoup
One thing Kerbal is good at is giving you a visceral appreciation of how to enter, change, and leave orbits.
ManByTechnicality
Honestly, so is Outer Wilds
Also, I did my first orbital docking shortly before Interstellar came out, and that whole sequence had me squeezing dents into my imax chair
TheBlueMuppet
Scott Manley showed me how to dock spacecraft without using the docking indicator/mode, and it greatly enhanced my game.
RipleyTadpole
No first you have to build a ship and realize at the unfortunate last moment that you lined up your rocket to go off with your parachute
plutoisstillaplanetinmyheart
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Check yo staging!
RulesOfImgur
CHECK YO STAGIN
I love how there's 115 (currently) upvotes to this. We've ALL done it.
NuclearMonk
Weird...I usually link the parachutes with jettisoning something important that should not have been jettisoned.
lilbrother
perfect image
jdregius92
every gosh darned fuckin time
oliharris19697
Vblink
No first you build a ship and don't realize till reentry you didn't put any parachutes on.
Zephrman
NOOOO JEB!!
NobleMurph
No, first you explode several times.
LordNergal
Yeah, I had to learn not to give the rockets so much fuel.
Mou5e
Even after youve mastered all that you'll still realize you don't have enough delta v to get Jeb back from the fucking Mün.
OutlawGerman
Pfffft only if you're a fucking genius. First you explode so many times you rage quite quite a few times and come back months late to restrt
Rockets are relatively easy. I never managed to make any plane take off.
Robotnikeggman
I'm the same, can get to land on Eloo but can't get a plane to land without a death toll, poor Jeb has died too often
HogWashDiddler
Orbit: falling, but moving fast enough to dodge the ground.
WhateverIsTrendyRightNow
Falling isn’t flying. Floating isn’t infinite.
alchemist12345
Its fun to experience this first person in Outer Wilds.
kakivara
"Falling" and "the ground" don't make much sense to an observer already in space.
Thats true. But from an observer on earth it does. Mmm relativity.
CaptainBruceSea
You must be fun at parties
Barkinsons
The trick is to get distracted the moment you would hit the ground
cravingthesun
Flying is notoriously difficult, which is why the majority of people fail and become disillusioned with this particular sport.
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
Which is why there's freefall (no gravity). There's actually gravity where the ship is, it's just in freefall.
JayKillBam
This comment rules
blainetog
Falling with style!
Mewmus
flying: the art of throwing yourself at the ground - and missing
skylardarkfox
One problem is that you have to miss the ground accidentally. It's no good deliberately intending to miss the ground because you won't.
ChloeRed
Maybe you could hire someone to distract you at the vital moment?
bartolbe
I downvoted...but I hope you understand why
did you....miss the downvote button or something?
Heh, nope. At the time, I got the count right to 42. Switched to an upvote, since I've lost that race
mymomsaregay
It restores my faith in this site that this was the first subcomment
Bonesy84
Running, when you try to walk twice at the same time
There it is.
Housemaster
Oh no, not again...
now if you knew WHY the bowl of Petunias thought that you would know a lot more about the nature of the universe
We do? It's Agrajag being killed by Arthur Dent yet again?
*or Arthur merely being involved in his death in some way
back home in his Cathedral of Hate
ihavethelowground
This isn't flying, it's falling with style
Doesn't different theories of gravity point out that you're actually going in a straight line through warped space?
Zzap1
Yoooooooooo
General Relativity likes this comment
Yea, thats basicly what gravity is. I think of it like this: a blanket pulled taught on stairs, a ball rolling down the blanket is acting...
Under gravity. But if you push the ball slightly side ways as it rolls, it moves at an angle. Just imagine that in 3d and you get orbits...
Basicly gravity acting in X direction, and another force pushing in the Y direction, just more 3d...and spherical.
fordon
Here’s another theory. You’re standing still and everything or it around you once you decide you wanna go around something.
....so how does momentum work?
Yeah, like if you're walking in a straight line on a ball, your path is curved. You just have to extrapolate up a dimension.
quzar
Everywhere you have ever walked in a straight line has been on a ball (unless you're a flat-earther :P).
impaulsible
How about inside a floor of a building.
Unclescam
Flat Earthers somehow believe all the other planets are round but earth is flat...
Spaz125
Soooo techingally you’ve never walked a straight line in your existence
ThomasThundersword
my hyper gay sister will love this factoid
dk1701
Kerbals! Go Jeb, go!
JustJimWillDo
We didn't have fancy gifs when I was a 10 year old in 1969, but I soaked up all the orbital mechanics needed for Apollo 11 from newspapers!
Muffyns
This is how you fly Nomai ships in Outer Wilds
Watchman85
Well, 34 seconds, but who's counting...
IamnotSpartacuseither
Fastest way to learn orbital mechanics... play Kerbal Space Program
Magnebro
I wholly approved of everyone instantly thinking KSP
bingtittletittlebong
Something something Kerbal
willpostanything
WITH A CALCULATOR!!
TheAdventuresofCarltheIncompetentLabAssisstant
Or as I call it "Falling With Style"
EyeMaMeatPopsical
Jebediah?
MarkSengenberger
This was fantastic!
BananaforScale3d
Ilikestealingdadjokes
Get Spaceflight Simulator for your phone. You're welcome everyone.
skipsh2
We get it, you play kerbal. :P
TheScaryDoor
KSP taught me a lot, like 'periapsis' and 'apoapsis' and 'is it technically a crash if it exploded on the launchpad?'
JimboTCB
"Unscheduled rapid disassembly event"
hardytardigrade
This is cool, but the ship is so small I can't see the mechanics
scootwhoman
Going so fast, you fall right past the planet. 'Free fall'.
akspartankiiier
Well, now I’m pretty sure I can launch a rocket into space.
tiredandtrusted
During what periods would one experience zero gravity?
RatDotl
Constantly none.
Rogahar
There was a 'game' at an space-themed museum we went to when I was a kid that had you try to gauge the amount of thrust to apply to >
Rogahar
> a rocket in order for it to end up in orbit. Mine immediately nosedived into the ground. My brothers left orbit and disappeared into >
Rogahar
> space. My Dad almost got it right, but his still came down after a while. Weird little memory that just cropped back up thanks to this.
Hellbrand
patched conic orbital mechanics*
zalurker
So. To quote Douglas Adams. 'The trick to flying, was falling, but missing the ground.'
goldfishyo
I "learned" this shit in university by I never truly understood it until I played KSP.
Frederf
ardtay
The animation doesn't really show it, but it's like playing billiards on an uneven surface. The Earth's in a gravity well, you have to go
ardtay
fast to climb out of it and you get slower as you get "higher". Like an airplane trading speed for altitude. But you have to retain enough
ardtay
speed to make it over the hump between the earth & moon. IIRC the Apollo capsules got down to about 1500mph or so and then sped back up to
ardtay
5300mph or so falling towards the moon
colopctech
Kerbs flying through space forever....
UltraLincoln
Fine, I'll reinstall Kerbal!
AzraelTheSorrowful
I'm waiting on the sequel
somnif
I hope it's decent. The developer drama and engine change worry me quite a bit.
AzraelTheSorrowful
As with most games, I'm hopeful but wary. Not a lot of gameplay has been shown, but they claim vanilla colonies, interstellar flight 1/?
AzraelTheSorrowful
multiplayer, along with a ton of QoL features without mods, while still supporting mods. So, things might be great. 2/2
Idontneedrealfacts
Yeah, it's been a while and I do love that game. I could never manage orbital docking though. Couldn't get ships to match speeds
spaghettiThunderbolt
Key is to get into a higher or lower orbit than your target, plan a burn that intersects the target's orbit and gets you nice and close to
spaghettiThunderbolt
it (maneuver planner is a godsend for this), and then match the target's orbit once you're close (~3km or so is generally good enough). And
spaghettiThunderbolt
beyond making sure you get close to it, completely ignore your target until you're in the same orbit and actually going to dock with it.
breothskin
Orbital docking in low kerbin orbit is for physicists who are also ballerinas…. I used to do all my docking a high orbit to slow it all down
mrbomb1339
I should start playing KSP again, still waiting for KSP2 to come out
Nathanyel
For less unforgiving controls but a captivating story, try Outer Wilds (not Worlds, Wilds)
GloriousPirateBeard
Not the same in any way, but a FAR superior game
ChaoticSquid
Good luck with KSP2. It's changed studios, had a big corporate controversy and been delayed multiple times. I'm not holding out for it.
TheSecondPiewackit
I'll give it a shot even if I know it's not going to be everything I wanted.
Malibloo
I... was not aware of this, damn. Was looking forward to the game too. :C
Seventythird
Pretty sure the studio got bought out / went under and a lot of the devs moved to the new one.
TheWhiteBarry
Let us take solace in the fact that they've already sunk a ton of cash and want to see some return on it.
mrbomb1339
I know it, still looking forward to giving it a try though when it eventually does come
ChaoticSquid
Same, but I'm not expecting anything mind-blowing, and I'm expecting it in 2023 at the earliest.
ProxyPlayerHD
welp, time for some people to create OSP (Open Space Program)
Crazywelderguy
Do you think it won't come out? despite covid and the studio stuff, it seems good progress has been made, and updates 1/month
ChaoticSquid
I'm thinking it'll come out earliest mid-2023 and won't have anywhere near the content they've promised, or will be a buggy mess
ChaoticSquid
Apart from them reiterating on the interstellar travel stuff a couple of weeks ago they've been silent for 5 months
qtRaven
So many dead Kerbals...
Idsertian
RIP, Jedediah.
DameDePiques
Fun part : if your ship end up stranded in orbit without any fuel to come back, they live forever, stranded in their spaceship.
DameDePiques
Unless you can manage an orbital docking (which is way over my current abilities) to rescue it, I guess...
Leonon
Do they still have unlimited EVO fuel refills when you enter and exit a capsule? In the past you could "get out and push" your way home.
DameDePiques
But don't you burn on reentry?
SoupCanMan
It's so random. Somehow I got a small satalite with full extension on the solar array to survive re-entry. With only my antenna blowing off.
cakeordeathdeathimeancake
So this is how you play Kerbal Space Program
PikaChunin
Well, usually you preform a Hohmann transfer, but essentially yes.
MindOfMobius
Yes
IlDepo
This, plus a whole set of curse words.
TheSecondPiewackit
Yeah, this literally looks like the Orbital Tracker Station view. Down to the dotted projection with the solid trajectory.
thetonestarr
Yeah I was just talking about this with a friend a few days ago. Now I have to go play it
thetonestarr
Alright I got as far as doing a flyby of the Mun during lunch break; will try flying by Minmus later tonight
Potts
Land on Minmus first, it's easier and you get just as much science data!
8166uy
No, there you just strap on more boosters until you succeed.
houpbajoup
One thing Kerbal is good at is giving you a visceral appreciation of how to enter, change, and leave orbits.
ManByTechnicality
Honestly, so is Outer Wilds
houpbajoup
Also, I did my first orbital docking shortly before Interstellar came out, and that whole sequence had me squeezing dents into my imax chair
TheBlueMuppet
Scott Manley showed me how to dock spacecraft without using the docking indicator/mode, and it greatly enhanced my game.
RipleyTadpole
No first you have to build a ship and realize at the unfortunate last moment that you lined up your rocket to go off with your parachute
plutoisstillaplanetinmyheart
RipleyTadpole
Frederf
Check yo staging!
RulesOfImgur
CHECK YO STAGIN
Magnebro
I love how there's 115 (currently) upvotes to this. We've ALL done it.
NuclearMonk
Weird...I usually link the parachutes with jettisoning something important that should not have been jettisoned.
lilbrother
cakeordeathdeathimeancake
perfect image
jdregius92
every gosh darned fuckin time
oliharris19697
Yes
Vblink
No first you build a ship and don't realize till reentry you didn't put any parachutes on.
Zephrman
NOOOO JEB!!
NobleMurph
No, first you explode several times.
LordNergal
Yeah, I had to learn not to give the rockets so much fuel.
Mou5e
Even after youve mastered all that you'll still realize you don't have enough delta v to get Jeb back from the fucking Mün.
OutlawGerman
Pfffft only if you're a fucking genius. First you explode so many times you rage quite quite a few times and come back months late to restrt
DameDePiques
Rockets are relatively easy. I never managed to make any plane take off.
Robotnikeggman
I'm the same, can get to land on Eloo but can't get a plane to land without a death toll, poor Jeb has died too often
HogWashDiddler
Orbit: falling, but moving fast enough to dodge the ground.
WhateverIsTrendyRightNow
Falling isn’t flying. Floating isn’t infinite.
alchemist12345
Its fun to experience this first person in Outer Wilds.
kakivara
"Falling" and "the ground" don't make much sense to an observer already in space.
HogWashDiddler
Thats true. But from an observer on earth it does. Mmm relativity.
CaptainBruceSea
You must be fun at parties
Barkinsons
The trick is to get distracted the moment you would hit the ground
cravingthesun
Flying is notoriously difficult, which is why the majority of people fail and become disillusioned with this particular sport.
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
Which is why there's freefall (no gravity). There's actually gravity where the ship is, it's just in freefall.
JayKillBam
This comment rules
blainetog
Falling with style!
Mewmus
flying: the art of throwing yourself at the ground - and missing
skylardarkfox
One problem is that you have to miss the ground accidentally. It's no good deliberately intending to miss the ground because you won't.
ChloeRed
Maybe you could hire someone to distract you at the vital moment?
bartolbe
I downvoted...but I hope you understand why
Mewmus
did you....miss the downvote button or something?
bartolbe
Heh, nope. At the time, I got the count right to 42. Switched to an upvote, since I've lost that race
Mewmus
mymomsaregay
It restores my faith in this site that this was the first subcomment
Bonesy84
Running, when you try to walk twice at the same time
Idsertian
There it is.
Housemaster
Oh no, not again...
Mewmus
now if you knew WHY the bowl of Petunias thought that you would know a lot more about the nature of the universe
ChloeRed
We do? It's Agrajag being killed by Arthur Dent yet again?
Mewmus
*or Arthur merely being involved in his death in some way
Mewmus
back home in his Cathedral of Hate
ihavethelowground
This isn't flying, it's falling with style
Malibloo
Doesn't different theories of gravity point out that you're actually going in a straight line through warped space?
Zzap1
Yoooooooooo
JayKillBam
General Relativity likes this comment
HogWashDiddler
Yea, thats basicly what gravity is. I think of it like this: a blanket pulled taught on stairs, a ball rolling down the blanket is acting...
HogWashDiddler
Under gravity. But if you push the ball slightly side ways as it rolls, it moves at an angle. Just imagine that in 3d and you get orbits...
HogWashDiddler
Basicly gravity acting in X direction, and another force pushing in the Y direction, just more 3d...and spherical.
fordon
Here’s another theory. You’re standing still and everything or it around you once you decide you wanna go around something.
Malibloo
....so how does momentum work?
TheSecondPiewackit
Yeah, like if you're walking in a straight line on a ball, your path is curved. You just have to extrapolate up a dimension.
quzar
Everywhere you have ever walked in a straight line has been on a ball (unless you're a flat-earther :P).
impaulsible
How about inside a floor of a building.
Unclescam
Flat Earthers somehow believe all the other planets are round but earth is flat...
Spaz125
Soooo techingally you’ve never walked a straight line in your existence
ThomasThundersword
my hyper gay sister will love this factoid