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Alright, so one thing that always bugs me in the comments is when people get up in arms on an anti-religion or anti-atheist circlejerk post and start arguing in the comments without knowing exactly what the definitions of these things are. In order to alleviate this issue, I've decided to make this post in the hopes that it interests some of you enough to look it up yourselves and help correct other people.
While I will admit that I am no expert in philosophy, I have a rudimentary understanding of it. Because of this, I will try to limit my explanations to avoid spreading false details due to my lack of expertise. If there is something wrong, please point it out to me and I'll update it if I can find a reliable source backing it up (probably wikipedia).
There are also dozens of other different philosophies that fill in a the little nooks and crannies that I will not be covering in this post. I'm going with these because I have a fair understanding of their basics. I will also be posting wikipedia links for the different topics for those who want a better understanding.
Atheism
I'm going to start this off with the first theological philosophy people come across the most on here. At its base level, Atheism is the lack of belief in a higher being. Other, narrower definitions specifically state it as the position that there are no deities. Either way, both stances are seen as Atheism.
What always annoys me when people talk about Atheists is when they complain about them treating religious people horribly. This is not Atheism. I repeat: THIS IS NOT ATHEISM. It's actually a different (but not mutually exclusive) philosophy from Atheism. It's called Antitheism and I will be explaining it further down.
If you would like to read up more on what Atheism is, you can read up at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
Theism
This is the philosophy that you probably did not realize you were familiar with. Essentially, Theism is the belief in one, or many, higher beings. It encompasses all major and minor religions, as well as many personal philosophies. In a much broader sense, they believe that a "perfectly conscious understanding being, or mind, existing of itself from eternity, was the cause of all other things."
Theism encompasses a large number of theological philosophies, the main ones being Mono- and Polytheism, as well as Pantheism and Deism.
You can read more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism
Deism
Deism is rather interesting to me, as it's pretty much the closest Theism can get to being Atheism while still being Theism.
Essentially, Deism is the belief that there is a higher being that created the universe, but did so in a way that it required no further intervention. Imagine The Bible, but after "let there be Light", God just sat back and watched the rest of the universe play out.
A very big advantage that this philosophy has, and is the main reason for it, is that it removes the issues of the multiple contradictions in most religions. I'm going decline on giving example of said contradictions, because I can't find the 10ft pole for not poking that issue.
Deists do not follow any organized religion, and are skeptical of miracles and prophesies. In fact, most of the Founding Fathers of the U.S. were Deists, not Atheists as some would have you believe.
For those of you who'd like to read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
Agnosticism
I'm sure a large portion of you already know what this is from South Park, but for those of you who do not know, Agnosticism is the belief that the existence of a higher being or deity cannot be proven one way or another. It is also not mutually exclusive from the previous philosophies described, although it is very rare to see an Agnostic Theist. One can have a lack of belief in a higher being, but still admit that there is a chance they are wrong, as they can't prove one way or another. That person is an Agnostic Atheist.
The opposite of Agnosticism is Gnosticism, which is the believe that the existence of a deity is knowable. Ever meet someone who said that God is real because The Bible says he is? While a logical fallacy, it's a perfect example of a Gnostic Theist. There's also Gnostic Atheists, who say that they do not believe in a higher being because we have no proof that he exists.
You can read more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism
Anti-theism
The one we've all been waiting to discuss, Antitheism is the philosophy that people love to complain about. In the most general terms, Antitheism is the active opposition to Theism, but in most contexts it refers to the opposition of organized religion.
"Now how does that work?" you may ask. Take me for example. I don't like organized religion (there's a number of reasons and I usually don't talk about it), however, I'm perfectly fine with Deism and sometimes even praise its lack of contradictions.
Then there's the assholes. We all know one. They're the people that attack other for believing in deities. It's also a common quality in neckbeards when you think about it.
Funny enough, Antitheism is not exclusive to Atheists. Deists and Secular Humanists can be Antitheists as well. In some situations, Antitheism is actually exclusive FROM Atheism, since if someone is aggressive towards people that believe in God, there's a chance that they are actually angry at God himself, meaning that they actually believe in a god deep down and therefore not an Atheist.
You can read more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitheism
Flying Spaghetti Monster Tax
In case you're getting deja vu, Imgur picked the worst image for the thumbnail, people downvoting without reading it. Since it wouldn't let me fix it in the post, I resubmitted it with a better thumbnail.
Also, I just watched Deadpool. I don't usually like Ryan Reynolds, but the guy really hit it out of the park with this. It's AMAZING.
mesoolame
That agnostic sentence is invalid as agnostic doesn't know but also doesn't know if another doesn't know either.
Seriouslydou
In the last paragraph describing Antitheism, did you mean to say "In some situations, Antitheism is actually exclusive FROM *Theism*"?
BANANAFLAKE
I stay far away from r/atheism because it's literally just shit posts that are anti theist. I advise everyone to do the same.
BinaryDash
I think my frying pan is Gnostic.
ospalis
R'amen
jds1002000
Great post!!
edwardelricsnipples
What if I praise the sun?
ChefHannibal
Solist
jetflight
To confuse things even more: Gnosticism has two distinct meaning. The one named above, and an umbrella term for faiths saying that the 1/2
jetflight
material world is either flawed or even actively evil/antagonistic. Examples would be Manichaeism, Catharism, Bogomilism etc. 2/2
CrissCross35
First time i have heared Imgur mention Deism. When i first saw it, that was what i personally believed could be belief for me
Tylendal
"Tak does not require that we think of him, only that we think."
Fezlol
I think I just went from identifying as agnostic to deist
CylentShadows
You're wrong on agnostic-atheism. It's the belief that we don't know if a god exists or not, but according to the burden of proof 1/2
CylentShadows
We must assume god does not exist until he is proven to exist. Therefore, there is no god. 2/2
Solkanarmy
dammit, Morpheus, not everyone believes what you believe!
ScatterJ0Y
+1 for the tax ....and also for laying down some knowledge on our asses
1Blank1
While I agree with almost everything, the gnostic atheist part I think is a little off. A gnostic atheist would be a mirror 1/?
Jrex42
I'd consider most atheists to be agnostic. Doesn't mean they can't have a strong opinion while still acknowledging they don't know for sure.
1Blank1
To a gnostic theist, "I know God is real, thus I believe in God." Being something along the lines "I know there is no God." 2/3
1Blank1
The example you cite is more along the lines of agnostic atheism, "I don't know (there is no proof), therefor I don't believe."
FromDenmarkWithHate
[1] I've never been and never will be violent or aggressive towards theists, but I cannot and will not take it seriously that you
FromDenmarkWithHate
[2] believe in a floating man in the sky that has a plan for you and judges you if you do something "wrong"
Flollop
And somehow, this is the absolute most offensive thing you can say on imgur.
icebalm
Agnostic/Gnostic does not relate to belief, they are professions of knowledge. If you claim to know there is a god, you are gnostic.
BronzeLeaguePro
Fun fact: The Pope and Richard Dawkins are both agnostics.
godofboredum
The Pope? Are you sure about that?
BronzeLeaguePro
At least the previous one have said that he doesn't know 100% and that you know, faith is kind of a thing when it comes to his faith. :)
TwedsyT
Where's Chaotic Evil on this thing? I'm that one
ChefHannibal
Westboro Baptist?
TydenS
Nice to see Deism get some positive light! I normally either have to explain it or correct people confusing it with weird things.
RIIIIIIGGS
I'm also far more comforted in that belief than the pontifications of Internet neckbeards.
RIIIIIIGGS
Right? I can't deny the existence of a higher power or prove it, but I don't feel like it's involved in daily life.
dnelfa1
Still think your the smartest in the room!????
Lorilee2
I am an agnostic theist. So...yeah. There's that.
dispenserhere
Agnostic theist reporting in
ParsleySage
I don't believe in any Gods. I wish I did. It'd be nice to believe, deep down, that everything's going to be all right in the end 1/2
ParsleySage
but I don't believe it will, it's just going to end in the end. 2/2
Confrontation
Despite what people say we do not really get to choose what we believe.
ParsleySage
And if you pretended to believe and there is a god, he's not going to be fooled.
GrandmaSlappy
What I you're anti theist but keep that shit to yourself and don't think less of others
GrandmaSlappy
*if, autocorrect, mobile...
Sheepyhead
I see it this way: Even if anything resembling a God existed, I see not a single reason to worship this thing.
Sheepyhead
And I don't believe there is any meaningful way to ascertain the existence of a deity, that's why I'm agnostic atheist
Sheepyhead
Claiming a god's existence is an extraordinary claim, and as such, the burden of proof is on the claimant
dembonz00
<-- person with an actual degree in history. "Most of the founding fathers were deists." *eye twitch*
Doomdspair
Deism was a pretty popular philosophy around that time.
ImBrucemanNoBatwayneFuck
Thomas Paine might be the prime example of a Deist Founding Father. I'm not sure why OP said "most." Thought they were Christians.
dembonz00
Paine was a primary influence on Jefferson. Not a founding father.
ImBrucemanNoBatwayneFuck
My bad. After reference check, he's considered a founder, but not one of the founding fathers.
AnUnknownErrorOccurred
Some of them were, right? I assume at least Franklin. Maybe Jefferson.
dembonz00
Very few, if any were deist in the literal sense of the word.
StabbyMcMurder
I fall under agnostic theist more than anything. I pray from time to time and believe that there's more likely to be multiple gods than one.
trophygeek
What about a belief we're all just living in a simulation? Where would that fall?
GoodorBadWhosToSay
No but seriously... I forget what its called but there is a belief that God is a programmer and were all in a sandbox mode v of this galaxy.
GoodorBadWhosToSay
We're all sims!
jadespider
An unhandled exception.
AGiantSquid
That's called Solipsism,&it doesn't really fall anywhere b/c it's necessarily untenable position as there is no way to investigate the claim
misskeekee
Its called Trumanism
MilfordMan
I've always taken issue with atheism being described as a "lack" of belief. Lack can mean "a shortage of", "in need of" or "insufficent" (1)
gewalt
in the context, you lack enough of a belief to meet the criteria for any of the categories. there is no implication of insufficiency
MilfordMan
I'm not "lacking" belief in God. (2)
Rantaf
The absence of belief then.
MilfordMan
Absence or lacking still suggest something is missing which should be there.
Rantaf
No it fucking doesn't. Absence means the state of being away. It's as neutral as it can be. But I guess splitting hairs is just your hobby.
MilfordMan
Woah, there sailor! Pull the dildo out your ass and relax. If we can't be civilised, I think we'll just leave it here.
CitizenDickbag
That's not the right definition of "lack," though. It just means to be without it. I lack belief in gods, but I don't claim I know for sure.
MilfordMan
Really just look up any dictionary or google "lack definition", and you'll see that it does. It can mean without as well. (1)
CitizenDickbag
That's my point, you're fixating on one definition that isn't the actual one being evoked by the usage in this context.
MilfordMan
I refuse this binary way of thinking that your worldview is defined by belief in God or an absence in that belief. Theism isn't the default
CitizenDickbag
Atheism would be the default then. Theism/Atheism IS a binary value, there's no way around that except by changing their definitions.
MilfordMan
Either that or prefer terms like Naturalist, materialist or secular humanist, etc. But each their own. Whatever you feel best defines you.
TheMouseOfMadness
You literally show the Venn Diagram as the first picture and still faceplant on "agnostic" not being a standalone position.
Captin0bvious
Agnostics are atheist as they do not belive in a God.
Toothlessgiraffe
One tiny comment is that it also implies that agnostic people are wisest.
gewalt
or, perhaps, it means most agnostics are really just atheists trying to avoid the politics of religion
winston2
Pedant of the day: that's not a Venn diagram
whathavewehere
My friend knows next to nothing about the magical world of diagrams, he's a real dunce. Would you care to enlighten him on what it's called?
winston2
I know not of useless things like what it is, only useless things like what is is not.
MnemonicMonkeys
I never said it wasn't.
TheMouseOfMadness
Exactly. You never said it wasn't a standalone position, you even supported that it could be, but it isn't. That is literally the problem.
CenturionDias
I'm agnostic. I can't prove one way or the other, so I don't really care.
MnemonicMonkeys
That's where you're wrong. It CAN be a standalone position. My dad is one. Being unsure whether there is a god or not means you 1/2
MnemonicMonkeys
are neither theist nor atheist, and therefore means it's a standalone position. 2/2
TheMouseOfMadness
Oh, so it's like being a purple eh? See, that makes no sense, because purple describes something. (a)gnostic is an adjective to a position.
turtlefarm
Wrong. You believe gods exist or you don't. Its a binary stance. You are either theist or atheist.
CitizenDickbag
This is incorrect. You got it wrong. Belief is binary: either you believe in something or you do not. "Unsure" is "do not."
streak1
In the anti-theist pic, what does the symbol with the stared cross stand for?
dnelfa1
Stayaway theriotic whore????
TheFrenchGirl
Orthodoxy, the oriental branch of Christianity, common in Greece and Russia for exemple.
DrGingeBeard
Not quite, Orthodox cross looks like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Cross_of_the_Russian_Orthodox_Church_01.svg
MnemonicMonkeys
Scientology I believe
Doomdspair
Nailed it.
compulsivemastication
i think you mean 'Scientology. I believe.'
TheDejectedEntourage
Clever
streak1
Just googled it. Yep.
storebrandproductmascot
What a strange thing to put right next to Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. I've never even met a real Scientologist.
ElPoloDiablo
There's a Sociology building close to where I live. Apparently if you stand outside for a while they come out to get you to come inside.
Rantaf
Only imaginary ones, then?
BronzeLeaguePro
And yet, it's just as much a religion as the rest. It's pointing out how we shouldn't give beliefs respect merely for being beliefs. 1/2
BronzeLeaguePro
The issue that antitheists tend to have is that eigenrespect for belief hinders discussion and progress and thus is bad.
zappbrannigansthong
What would it be called if you just really don't care one way or another?
HOOMANGUY
Nihilism.
Klingon00
There are many who consider themselves as agnostic who feel this way, unless more evidence comes to light...
AnUnknownErrorOccurred
Not applicable?
amles
Secular?
lifeizpeachy
Zerofucksgivenism. My religion AND political affiliation
Agent
Monday.
Aksuuuh
Yea stop being such a monday @zappbrannigansthong
zappbrannigansthong
I'm sorry, I'll strive to be more like a Saturday.
Xhalite
Apathetic atheism? Or perhaps agnosticism or some kind?
akforty
Apatheism, actually.
gewalt
would you suddenly start caring a whole lot more if you lived in a location where church and state were rapidly losing their seperation?
zappbrannigansthong
I would care about the political side, which I do hold strong beliefs of, especially of keeping that separation.
meltdown2
I'm an Apathist, myself.
JordanRapp
Absurdism
odraencoded
What makes a man turn neutral ... Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
zappbrannigansthong
Just lazy?
lucidMonkeez
Indifferent agnosticism.
cwagrant
indifferent
BigisDickis
Neihlism maybe?
JapaneseStudentTadashii
I always though agnostics didn't care. That's what I always told people I was lol
Oli1olio
Ignosticism maybe?
pyronoia
Since God has no unambiguous definition, igtheists can't accept or reject such an entity. Therefore questions of God's existence are futile.
hatefuljesus
No Pref.
ANIMEJESUS
Fuckitism
Shepep
If you don't hold an active belief in a god, you are an atheist. Even if you don't care.
farfie
That's a false dilemma fallacy.
Shepep
To the question "do you believe in god?", the answer is either yes or no. If you say yes, you are a theist. If you say no, you are an 1/?
Shepep
Atheist. If you say "I don't know" then you are saying you don't know if you believe, but there are still only 2 possibilities. Belief or 2/
Shepep
Non-belief
Shepep
How so?
streak1
Went on a Wikipedia tangent. This looks like it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatheism
GoodorBadWhosToSay
Very cool.
jaybird85
I'd be more apathetic if I wasn't so lethargic. Also, I find your meatloaf shallow and pedantic
zappbrannigansthong
Huh interesting, I like it.
MnemonicMonkeys
Possibly humanism, but I'm not really sure. The main ones I'm familiar with are the ones in the post.
BillWeasleyGore
Apathyism
Junktrunkjunkie
This post is actually pretty helpful and you didn't disparage anyone in general.. except maybe neckbeards. +1
GoodorBadWhosToSay
Humanists are profoundly against organized religion. They are very active in their strong belief that organized religion has been, and (1
GoodorBadWhosToSay
Is currently, one of the major reasons for the majority of in ignorance, racism, classicism, sexism, poverty, violence, war, assaults on (2
GoodorBadWhosToSay
flora and fauna, etc. They firmly opine that organized religion must be banned (or at least replaced) for the sake of all. That being (3
elleyea
Well, yes.religion is responsible for all that
GoodorBadWhosToSay
Said, despite a large number of atheists, there are many humanists who do believe in some higher power or another. Their fight I with the (4