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Feb 8, 2023 5:00 AM
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Heavenissize17socks
This is wonderful and true. Watch 'Smile' and see Bill figure this out when she wants to call someone else for help.
Rorysaurus
When Russell took over it was event TV. When Moffat took over it was still good but not must watch. Chibnall gave us Jo Martin.
Selfawerewolf
I love the Doctor and all but lets not kid ourselves the man had superpowers and the TARDIS is far more powerful than a tank or an X-wing.
HenryFondle
tacoaboutit
Calicious
They didn't give him a superpower? Dude is immortal
softsuit
Audioclark
God's above, I miss the old cranky doctor.
Rorysaurus
Capapdi was cranky.
MrWolfwood
"didn't give him superpowers" dude looked into a fuckin void and came out as one of the smartest people in the universe WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL
Targe0
To be fair, all his species people can time travel. So it's not actually that special for them.
HeroofTimeampersandSpace
TyrannusEquus
I do recall him blowing up a lot of cybermen? Violence is still in his toolbox.
sparkletempt
Miss Moffat writing dr. Who
Targe0
The man could do set-ups really well, but god did he suck at endings.
DotcoreJetkill
As opposed to running, nobody misses that
Blato88
They never gave him a Police box. It's a TARDIS and was stolen by him. The cloaking device malfunctioned and got stuck as a Police box.
Blato88
Much of the universe considers him extremely deadly since wherever he goes he befriends people and they die for him.
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
The Doctor of War
ItsACrazyWorld
Peter Capaldi will always be my favorite doctor.. I wish he had better writers
CannotBeBanned
He's effectively immortal. That's a super power...
annoyedOnion
Big fan of the show but budget restraints caused most of this. Very happy about that though
mayodash
It's going to be on Disney+ now so much bigger budget for next series. It'll be the 60th anniversary special this year too
ZeRootOfAllEvil
oh wow I hope disney funding a major science fiction show goes well
Targe0
Yeah, it's also been a very successful show, but never given the budget to show that. Even now, it makes them Millions on merch and it ->
Targe0
is still treated like the little scifi show they don't like to talk about when it comes to their funding options.
HelloToe
Could be worse. The last years of the original run aired when ST:TNG was on, but they still had ST:TOS production values.
mksthomas
No superpower? Does plot armor not count?
PleasantPeasantPheasant
But even with minimal knowledge about heart function it's REALLY concerning to me that they beat out of sync.
Targe0
It's only an issue if they evolved to beat in sync. Otherwise, it's clear that's just how their bodies work.
PleasantPeasantPheasant
His blood pressure is all over the place.
Targe0
Unless it's linked together in such a way that it helps maintain the pressure. Like having a long pipe with an extra pump in the middle to>
Targe0
Maintain pressure and flow across the whole system. So one heart might pump blood though half the body & the second gets it through the rest
PleasantPeasantPheasant
I don't know, I also kinda like the idea of him being the first hero who canonically has arrhythmia.
seir
Can't the Tardis do a lot more but he never bothered to learn? The only reason it makes that sound is because he's left the handbrake on
4vie
Great acting by all the actors in those seasons, but... the Doctor doesn't need in-laws!
Targe0
Especially when his Mother-in-law kind of had a thing for him when they met again later in her life.
ZeRootOfAllEvil
No. No. No. The TARDIS does what she wants to do. She's grown. The Doctor just travels with her because she cares for him.
NeverConfusedForNaught
And he burnt out the chameleon circuit
HandoB4Javert
cryborg
That's a good description & I get the point, however the TARDIS can do a few other things besides call for help & he has other tricks too.
SmoeAhsolse
I think he meant it a police call box.
SpaceSpeed
And the ability to regenerate from something that should be fatal... that's pretty superpower-ish
EwgB
But no weapons though
ThrobbinHoodz
Like being an absolutely massive research ship.
Shaodyn
Yeah, turning screws is the one thing the sonic screwdriver does least often.
Shaodyn
Hasn't happened since several Doctors ago, I understand.
redditmcredditface
I agree, but the main goal for the TARDIS is to get the doctor to wherever he is needed most as quickly as possible
redditmcredditface
in the most roundabout, "lets give this a shot" kind of way
TinyLiehon
It can also receive calls for help. It's more a mobile dispatch help center really. It gets all sorts of phoneywhoney wibblywobbly work done
alaest0r
And the doctor has a huuuuuge bodycount
SpoonOfDoom
I still love the scene from the end of the Eccleston season where you can see how the Dalek are scared utterly shitless of him
PenguinPlans
True. He be fuckin.
unluckyandbored
"Good men don't need rules. Now's not the time to find out why I have so many!"
TheFastpaws
Moffat ran it into the dirt. He can write a two part episode but no more. Also he's a sexist dick.
qtRaven
Chris Chibnall ran the show into the dirt. I couldn't make it through the first season it was so terrible.
Targe0
He made his fan fiction cannon. Literally, people have found his old fanfics and a lot of it was put into the show.
Blethigg
But that's what writers do with an ongoing drama. They add their ideas to it.
Targe0
Yes, but it was his ideas from when he was learning to write as a teenager. A lot of it was not good.
Blethigg
I respect your opinion of course, but personally I love Moffats work on Who.
Targe0
I find he works best when he had someone to write with. I find the seasons where he wasn't solo writing much better than his solo seasons.
LordofSadFace
There is no 13th Doctor, keep that in mind
Filanwizard
all though the one in the picture did once ride on a tank playing an electric guitar.
throwblip
Into a medieval arena too
themobileappisbroken
Wearing sonic sunglasses
Kitakita
*proceeds to genocide entire planets*
lljkstonefish
felt really bad about it though. Fell in with a chav for a while.
MidnightAtMandS
They gave him a screwdriver to fix things, a box to call for help...and a body count in the billions.
Hyndisfox
More like billion of trillions. The Doctor has the highest bodycount of anyone.
HandoB4Javert
r4nt
4vie
You scoundrel
jherazob
unlogicspare
That's...reducto ad absurdum though. Luke Skywalker is just a kid with a desire to help people then.
RealityIsOftenDisappointing
No. Luke just wants to go to Toshe Station to pick up some power converters with his friends.
unlogicspare
Okay, sure, that was the literal only aspect to his personality.
unlogicspare
Kirk is just a sailor looking to help people. Picard is a negotiator and philosopher. Anyone is easy to describe with their most basic ideas
RealityIsOftenDisappointing
Enterprises main goal is exploration. Its captains are the Christopher Columbuses of the warp age, with moral plot armor (most of the time)
unlogicspare
What the FUCK are you talking about? Provide an example, put up or fuck off.
RealityIsOftenDisappointing
Humans explore, then they move in and take what they want. The whole "clean" concept of starfleets mission always struck me as unbelievable
unlogicspare
Nevermind, go fuck off, you're going to intentionally straw man me, you're not worth talking to.
unlogicspare
But to say the Doctor is who he is without the TARDIS or sonic screwdriver is removing parts that are important.
Targe0
Except that's not true. They took the tardis from the 3rd doctor and from the 6th to the end of classic they did use the screwdriver. ->
unlogicspare
Cool. And that doesn't make the actor's comments any more right. All the characters are who they are, no matter the franchise.
unlogicspare
Iron Man is Iron Man, not because of the suit, but because of who he is and his character flaws, development, and adversaries.
Targe0
And the doctor was still the doctor without them. And in the case of the screwdriver, it actually lead to better stories. As they realised >
Targe0
they had been using it too much and it was making their story telling worse, so they got rid of it. It's only with the revival it came back.
DotcoreJetkill
The sonic screwdriver was an overpowered plot device that they quickly got rid of. Obviously new who is all about that (and psychic paper)
4vie
The crossover of 10, 11 and War Doctor did the sonic screwdrivers good! :D
Targe0
Yeah, it's a useful tool when used right. But it is also an easy tool for lazy writing.
DotcoreJetkill
That piece of shit is when I stopped watching for good
HairyBrit
What? You stopped with Jon Pertwee?
DotcoreJetkill
Jon Pertwee the War Doctor?
HairyBrit
Jon Pertwee, the third Doctor. The War Doctor was John Hurt.
HairyBrit
Quickly? From Jon Pertwee to Jodie Whittaker is quickly?
DotcoreJetkill
I admit, quickly is not the word "It was written out of the series in 1982 due to the limitations it caused when writing for the show."
DotcoreJetkill
So 15 years is nowhere near "quickly"
Shrike99
And yet for all his kindness and lack of weapons he's still one of the most destructive beings in the universe.
NeverConfusedForNaught
That's because way too big piece of the universe is unkind and full of weapons
AndrewBuggy
I always loved this scene for that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9tcpzG8VTo
unlogicspare
Maybe its because this is dishonest. If you took the lightsaber and the Force away from Luke Skywalker, he still wants to fight the Empire/
unlogicspare
Protect the galaxy/save people without those things. He's a hero before he got his sword and magic, he's a hero if you discount them.
BeesechurgerProductions
Fun fact: there's deleted scenes in ANH that heavily imply Luke was pretty chill with the idea of flying for the Empire pre-family-killing
unlogicspare
He was under the misimpression, as with Wedge Antilles, Biggs Darklighter, and dozens of other defectors to the Rebellion, that the Empire
unlogicspare
Was HELPING people. Then, he experienced their "help" and saw through the gaslighting and propaganda.
BeesechurgerProductions
Right, just that it took specific circumstances to make him willing to stand against them
screenaholic
You don't even need to look at the deleted scene he talks about leaving for the Imperial Academy in the dinner scene.
HenryFondle
I've always seen the Doctor as a naive expression of English colonialism.
JasonThorn
The same Doctor who lectures the Brigadier about humanity's tendency to shoot first and investigate the corpses later?
JasonThorn
"I shouldn't have warned YOU about THEM...I should have warned THEM about YOU!" - 10th Doctor to British PM
BeesechurgerProductions
The same Doctor who's genocided at least two different species
ZeRootOfAllEvil
HenryFondle
'Oh boy exploring is fun, it's not OUR fault the daleks/cybermen just show up, if only $natives would listen to us we could defeat them!'
ZeRootOfAllEvil
Are you saying the Doctor is in league with Davros and the Mondasians, as part of the Gallifreyan Empire?
JasonThorn
Of course, he plans to show up where the bad guys are, his TARDIS is designed for it...what's this guidance algorithm called "Pot Luck"?
certainlynotaserialkiller
Dont forget the cosmic amount of big dick energy.
lljkstonefish
That was mostly 11. For reasons.
HowlerTwo
I think you're confusing 11 with David Ten-inch as Billie called him...
lljkstonefish
The internet has pictures of Matt Smith's sonic screwdriver.
HowlerTwo
And also David Ten-inch from when he appeared in a play...
Sentay
Steven Moffat is kinda a twat, and while he's responsible for most of the best Dr. Who episodes he's also responsible for much of the chaff
ITellBadPuns
Yeah, but we complained about what George Lucas did with Star Wars once too.
Valharroth
With good reason.
ITellBadPuns
At least he tried though. He did some bad and dumb stuff, but the effort was there at least.
FireSolvesProblems
After a while I feel like most of his stories were pretty much, solve one time paradox with another.
Vallete
Unpopular opinion: Russell T sucks, I love moffett. Both seasons and individual episodes.
Heisanevilgenius
"They didn't give him a superpower" other than being virtually immortal and able to completely regenerate?
sevendragonsandababy
Moffat is the kind of writer who NEEDS a boss. He needs oversight, I think all his best qualities as a writer get overshadowed by his 1/2
sevendragonsandababy
worst ones the longer he goes without someone to point him in a given direction. And he only knows how to write 2 kinds of women.
FUKYU350
Who is responsible for the writiing and overall direction of Jodie's run? Because I'd argue they are much worse at writing.
RedHedZed
That would be Chibnall, if I recall.
jlevitart
I don't get the hype with Moffat, I always imagine his scripts written in crayon
Rorysaurus
I don't hate Moffat for Who but when Russell ran the show it felt like event tv.
ZeRootOfAllEvil
That's because it was all it was. Burping bins and gay jokes.
Rorysaurus
I'm not shitting on Russell. I'm praising him because the hype was real when he was showrunner
ZeRootOfAllEvil
I think it was the hype that was the shows downfall. It went from being interesting to being important, and the story was the victim.
TodayIsSlapANaziDay
Moffat is great for single episodes, but not for handling a season’s overarching storyline.
ZeRootOfAllEvil
Moffat needs the story stick to tell him "NO! Don't have Sherlock mansplain feminism to the suffragettes "
ZeRootOfAllEvil
"NO! Don't call an episode Let's Kill Hitler and then sideline it for another wife allegory"
ZeRootOfAllEvil
"NO! Don't make the Statue of Liberty into a Weeping Angel!"
4vie
Didn't he give The Doctor in-laws?
ZeRootOfAllEvil
You wait until this season where he meets his father [Prediction]
4vie
Suppose the show runner and/or writer's got some daddy issues to work out.... :P
ZeRootOfAllEvil
I'd take a quick look into RTD's recent past...
Jgold101
What's that thing called where you are promoted past doing what you are good at.
TheSassyDrBenHorrocks
Failing upwards?
tarnok
Michael Scott?
NoNameFred
Peter Principle?
Jgold101
Yep that's it
NoNameFred
He's a bit too fond of big shiny faux-epic set-pieces, with deus ex machina or "in one bound Jack was free" instead of working for solutions
NoNameFred
It's like his stories build to extreme peril… and then the Doctor gets bored, waves his screwdriver like a wand, and fixes it all instantly.
CapnAlbatross
I agree with shiny set pieces, but not with ex Machina in regards to who. RTD was the one who did fairy doctor
lljkstonefish
Fairy? Do you mean the "prayer!?" thing with Saxon and Martha? I think RTD is a tool, but he was SO CLOSE to making that scene amazing.
NoNameFred
"Master has given Doctor 'Thoughts and Prayers'! Doctor is a Free Timelord!"
lljkstonefish
Travel the world under cover of a SEP field, tell the tale of the doctor, use the satellite network against Saxon, that was all rock solid.
lljkstonefish
They just needed the message to be "down with Saxon" or similar, and the whole thing would be coherent. instead, it made the doctor grow.
qtRaven
Still better than anything by Chris Chibnall. By quite a lot.
InTheBeginningWasTheNerd
Passing my last constipation was better than Chris Chibnall.
JohnMike64
*Google's Chibnall* Torchwood that was brilliant more please. *Reads on* oh Jodie W ah clearly lost it by then.
GSCultist
Chibnall wrote certain episodes of Torchwood, specifically the one with the cyberwoman that they defeat by covering in barbeque sauce.
JohnMike64
Oh well I hated the Jodie W era because everyone was thick as shit and far too wholesome.
DigiT00l
The retcon that the Doctor has unlimited regenerations is good, but he executed it poorly
JohnMike64
It was entirely unnecessary. The normal limit was passed ages ago. You could go on never knowing if it was your last regeneration
AndrewBuggy
That retcon is literally the worst thing to happen to the entire show. FUCK Chibnall.
DigiT00l
I mean, it solves a problem that would come up again at some point
AndrewBuggy
They could have resolved that issue without shitting on Hartnell (and the shows) legacy.
HolySonnetX
4th Doctor Story The Deadly Assassin was about The Master trying to get extra regenerations
ZeRootOfAllEvil
And in Logopolis, he got one by assimilating Nyssa's father.
MyRespectableAlterEgo
I’ve never gotten into Dr Who, but after seeing what Moffat did to Sherlock (especially later eps) I really don’t rate him as a writer tbh
PTNLemay
Exactly. All the awkward borderline superhero stuff we saw with Sherlock is the same nonsense he ended up bringing to DrWho.
Niddhogg
I really hate the guy but watch the Dr. Who episode blink. Written by him before he was showrunner (and tanked the show) its an easy 1/
Niddhogg
Standalone which doesn't really require context and DAMN it's good. A bit scary but so well done. What a shame.
magicrhombus
Also wrote The Girl in the Fireplace. Those are my top two episodes, so the man can definitely write.
pork4brains
Stand-alones, he can stick to writing short stories. Nothing else. Nothing wrong with being a specialist/niche artist
MyRespectableAlterEgo
I’ll give it a watch! I’ve long been curious but always get a million different answers when I ask for a good starting point - so thanks!
Rorysaurus
His run in Doctor Who wasn't bad at all. Some misses here and there and stories that went on way too long and convoluted but not bad.
LuminoZero
What makes 'Blink' such a good jumping on point is that it's told from the perspective of a 'normal human' and how surreal time travel 1/