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Bull Terrier
It seems incredible that at one time the Bull Terrier was a handsome, athletic dog. Somewhere along its journey to a mutated skull and thick abdomen the bull terrier also picked up a number of other maladies like supernumerary teeth and compulsive tail-chasing.
Basset Hound
The Basset Hound has gotten lower, has suffered changes to its rear leg structure, has excessive skin, vertebra problems, droopy eyes prone to entropion and ectropion and excessively large ears.
Boxer
A shorter face means a host of problems. The modern Boxer not only has a shorter face but the muzzle is slightly upturned. The boxer – like all bracecyphalic dogs – has difficulty controlling its temperature in hot weather, the inability to shed heat places limits on physical performance. It also has one of the highest cancer rates.
English Bulldog
The English bulldog has come to symbolize all that is wrong with the dog fancy and not without good reason; they suffer from almost every possible disease. A 2004 survey by the Kennel Club found that they die at the median age of 6.25 years (n=180). There really is no such thing as a healthy bulldog. The bulldog’s monstrous proportions make them virtually incapable of mating or birthing without medical intervention.
Dachschund
The Dachshund used to have functional legs and necks that made sense for their size. Backs and necks have gotten longer, chest jutted forward and legs have shrunk to such proportions that there is barely any clearance between the chest and floor. The dachschund has the highest risk of any breed for intervertebral disc disease which can result in paralysis; they are also prone to achondroplastic related pathologies, PRA and problems with their legs.
German Shepard
The German Shepherd Dog is also a breed that is routinely mentioned when people talk about ruined breeds; maybe because they used to be awesome. In Dogs of All Nations, the GSD is described as a medium-sized dog (25 kg /55 lb), this is a far cry from the angulated, barrel-chested, sloping back, ataxic, 85-pounders (38 kg) we are used to seeing in the conformation ring. There was a time when the GSD could clear a 2.5 meter (8.5 ft) wall; that time is long gone.
Pug
The Pug is another extreme brachycephalic breed and it has all the problems associated with that trait – high blood pressure, heart problems, low oxygenation, difficulty breathing, tendency to overheat, dentition problems, and skin fold dermatitis. The highly desirable double-curl tail is actually a genetic defect, in more serious forms it leads to paralysis.
BTheta
So is this how you get to front page? Just steal shit from people and repost it?
L8erT8er
I picked up my mutt from the friendly stray dog when animal control picked her up. Bestest friend I could have ever found.
ChaosLierLen637
This post is worth reposting!
XequR
german shepherd is world wide the no.1 service/rescue/k9 dog for a reason so its not like the whole breed is ruined but its still a shame
WestCoastIsBestCoast
Dogs bred to fill those roles are almost an entire different breed than those bred for show.
DownvoteFairies
Good thing dogs bred to fill those roles are much more common than dogs bred for show. Show dogs are expensive and rare comparatively.
wrenish
You want to see something even more dramatic? Line up some fashion models from 100 years ago and their modern counterparts.
Yaminohere
There are actually breeders that are working to get those breeds back to what they USED to be. Remember seeing an article in National 1/2
Yaminohere
Geographic magazine sometime last year. 2/2
Dartez
The 2 St. Bernards aren't even the same breed. The left one is short-haired & the right one is long-haired. Source: I used to work with SB.
Waffleboi
Yeah, the SB post is just wrong, St. Bernards almost went extinct in the earlier half of the 1800s due to severe weather killing most (1/2)
Waffleboi
of the breeding dogs, so in the 1850s in an attempt to save them they were mated with Newfoundlands, which is why modern SBs look like them.
Dartez
Exactly, there are very few pure short-haired SB alive.
murdrmunkee
I like, need more
totallynotabandonedaccount
I have never seen a German Shepard with hind legs like the one on the right.
SmerkBich
https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/userfiles/Ike%20vom%20Laenderspeigel%281%29.jpg
SmerkBich
No? Look up the some of the winners for "Best Of Breed" on Google.. .Like Crufts.
jenjennjenny92
That kind of German Shepherd is only used in the show ring.. Working GS don't have such extreme hind legs
SmerkBich
http://www.vonwardkennels.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/bananaback.jpg
theshoeminator
Seems like mostly the German show lines have the roached back. US show GSD's have the slope (equally bad).
FunnyMemeUsername123
holy.shit.
SmerkBich
Indeed.
jackthezipper
This makes total sense. Shiba Inus were at onetime incredibly intelligent dogs. Now they only say things like "much doge" and "very vow"
ABlastFromYourPast
Hey, congrats on making top comment!
SwordSaint892
I thought you were about to rip on my favorite breed and I was gonna be real upset. :(
FisherWisher
Glad it was just a meme
SchizophrenicOnSunday
I have an akita and she actually stole my sister's shiba to play. They're both awesome breeds
SchizophrenicOnSunday
Sometimes that's the most intelligent thing to say. Say hello to the internet
SouperScott
Much truth.
SchizophrenicOnSunday
Such agree
BLTwithoutlettuceortomatoplease
wow.
WonderwallDK
lol
ScarlettAssassin
I have a shiba Inu. I can confirm this.
plasticonoband
Thank you
NeedExtraLives
Thank you for the 01:16 laugh! My night needed it
squarrel
http://all-puppies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Shiba-Inu-Smile-Images.jpg
TheOriginalRoss
Look at the dong on that dachshund
g011um
I guess being "hung like a dachshund" isn't such a bad thing
par4dox
thanks for bringing attention to this. I've always disliked that people do this to animals: i think it's cruel and selfish
SmerkBich
AMEN.
Hookavitch
and thats why i get mutts there adorable and low maitnence
overlyobvious
No matter how many times I see this I still feel the need to tell my basset that he is wonderful the way he is. Bowlegged and all.
PixieMoth
I love my Basset as well; although she's not really bowlegged, and she's not droopy. Maybe she's pretending to be a Basset.
overlyobvious
My basset is handicapped so we got him for free from a breeder, otherwise you wouldn't have gone to a breeder.
PixieMoth
I got mine from someone who didn't know how to take care of her (said she was "defective"). Best adoption ever!
hailthefish
100 years of selective breeding can produce awesomeness, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Cattle_Dog
panchokitty
No one who has ever worked in the veterinary industry would ever agree with you.
deepersigh
Shhh.... We don't talk about success stories here (acd, border collie, Doberman no longer aggressive, shiba inu saved from extinction)
tuhmahtoe
Aussies are awesome! By far the smartest dog I've ever owned!
luuuuuuuu
huh yeah I nearly lost my arm as a child thanks to a Blue. Unprovoked . Not always to be trusted
nystagmus27
Meiko my Aussie is the bestest dog ever and smarter than the average tumbler poster ;). Although Aussies do have a neurotic personality...
morgrimmoon
If you breed for health and ability the breed improves. If you breed for appearance and obsession with 'pure' bloodlines, it reduces.
namiem529
@repoststatistics
WhenInDoubtC4
Go on, I incest.
ThatGuyWhoDownvotesFrontPageEditsAndDickbuttAndRepostStatistics
First time I've seen this, so sue me. Who cares if it's a repost? Not everyone's seen every repost before.
MundoCani
Exactly.
chaseispretty
Can't understand why people whine about this kind of reposts. If this was about cancer etc would you complain if you had seen it already?
dindl
1/2 Don't forget the Cavaliers. Their skulls are so small that the cerebellum actually tries to squeeze its way out through
SmerkBich
Yep. One of the cruelest things I've seen. SO sad.
dindl
2/2 a hole at the back of the skull. My dog had the disease (syringomyelia) and we had to put her down and she was just 4.
ChooseCarefully
Breeding for appearance is so selfish and stupid. It is awful what they have done to animals. STOP buying them.
SmerkBich
AMEN.
lucyjin
There are plently of breeds w. problems, but not all do. Case in point:
Breed standard hasn't changed ->
jenjennjenny92
You also have to realize that inbreeding within the dog show world is common (1/2)
jenjennjenny92
& just because the dog doesn't exhibit problems, there's a high chance that its offspring may be inflicted with health problems
lucyjin
Indeed, however, that comes back to responsible breeding. My dog has a small palate problem that we believe is injury related rather than ->
lucyjin
congenital, but we reported it to her breeder anyway. He IMMEDIATELY got on to every breeder who used my dog's bloodline to check if there->
lucyjin
were any instances of palate problems in any dogs or puppies born, now or in the past. If there had been, my dog's dam would have been ->
lucyjin
in 100 years, but they'll still get tarred with the same BREEDING IZ BAD brush. IRRESPONSIBLE breeding is bad. Don't blindly hate.
theletterk
Honestly I'm disappointed no one mentions the fact that most GSD's these days stand and walk like their back was broken but not disabled.
shank
I saw one at the park the other day like that. It was horrifying. It looked like it was going to fall down every time it ran.
captainredbeard
This is why we specifically got an old fashioned GSD. His back is almost perfectly straight, and he has a long coat instead of short. (1)
hashbrownsbakedpotatosfrenchfrieshomefriescheesefries
so did we. We specifically looked for a GSD with only german blood lines with generations of dogs with healthy hips and backs
captainredbeard
Exactly! That's the way to do it!
drorgin
My miniature poodle walks like that :( I'm not sure if it's a defect or somebody kicked him before I adopted him from the pound.
FrostyLady
We have an old style German Shepherd. Wanted to be sure that there'd be less chance of hip displasia, as with the extreme sloped back breed.
captainredbeard
He also weighs just under 100 lbs, and has the energy of a Jack Russel. He doesn't have any of the major health issues most GSD's have. (2)
brianorr
I have a GSD; I don't know what you're talking about. She walks and runs and jumps just fine.
theletterk
Not all GSD's do but the show ones in American especially do. And a lot of people just don't see it as abnormal, too.
brianorr
I'm in the states. This is my first GSD, So perhaps I'm seeing what you're describing, and not knowing it's unusual.
TintreachToirneach
I'd never seen a GSD like that until someone posted pics on imgur. Obviously the 'trend' doesn't carry in all countries.
theroguex
Many dogs like the GSD still have a work breedline alongside the show breedline. It's still very possible to find a healthy straight-back.
equityforpunks
Yes, this. I have never seen slanted back GSD. In my country they have always been police and duty dogs. Not breed for beauty.
PikaCheck
This is great to know- I've always hated the show standard for the GSD. Just never seemed healthy.
Tazac
My german shepherd isn't like this at all though. she has no health problems and doesn't have a sloped back. She only weighs like 65 lbs.
EternalSoil
Mine too! She's sable though (gorgeous), not traditional black/tan. Her momma was white (show dogs have 0 white or they're disqualified).
theletterk
Not all GSD's have it, but majority if not all American show-bred ones do. And some people don't notice it as a problem.
HennyPennyStegosaurus
For what it's worth I have 2 litter mates that are a GSD/Border Collie/Pit Bull mix and their body more closely resembles the older 1/2
HennyPennyStegosaurus
image and they are about 45-50 lbs. They have no trouble getting over a 7 ft. fence, which they do frequently -_- 2/2
FairyBalls
Pictures!
LiTMac
As someone with a dog that likes to wander, I'm very glad he doesn't realize he can clear the fence (he's not too bright). Best of luck.
HumansAgainstCards
I couldn't breed dogs, I'd want them to choose what they like. "you like her, do ya? Well...go sniff her bum. They like that, I promise"
blaergh
I let my dog do that and he mounted two bitches, a daughter and a mother... Fuck my life.
wispr
Not an issue unless it was his -own- mother and daughter, right?
blaergh
Thankfully not :)
dogapult
wait, so that's only how DOGS interact? I've been doing it wrong this whole time!
Rentheyacht
But you are a dog...apult
HowUnfortunate
Literally the exact opposite of natural selection: giving animals traits that actually INHIBIT their survival.
SmashingChap
1] It's not really. The distinction between naturally selection and fancy-breeding is the breeding doesn't allow time for the breeds to
TheGenieOfTheLamp
It's called artificial selection. As long as we like them, we'll make them breed.
oculusrift
Why didn't you call the police right away?
SmashingChap
3] breeding and time but the diversity seen among dog breeds wont occur with in one species in nature.
supremacysun
Natural selection made pandas.
ApotheosisCM
And it would have killed them off it it weren't for our interventions.
acunninglinguist
^ This
droomph
yay humans
whutserface
Yep some people are assholes.
MulattoLatte
My thoughts exactly
SmashingChap
2] acquire the genetic diversity needed to support a healthy population. You can smush and stretch an animal as much as you want with
Dreissen
No, it is really. Literally, modern bulldogs cannot give birth without c-sections. They are unfit for survival-nothing to do with diversity.
SmashingChap
2] process is still from selection, literally and definitively.
SmashingChap
1] And yet they arose over time due to environmental pressure. There's no dispute that bulldogs are a less fit breed than others, but the
Dreissen
These breeds are arising due to human selection. Extra folds of skin only hinder their lives. No amount of diversity will help with that.
SmashingChap
1] I didn't say it would, nor do I know that it wouldn't. My point is that it's not "literally" the opposite of evolution. Evolution is not
SmashingChap
3] sexual selection which has lead to the grotesquely oversized antlers in some species of deer, for example.
SmashingChap
2] a process that makes a species or sub species more healthy, it makes them more fit to the environment which might include unhealthy
weliveinaspaceshipdear
It should be pointed out that this ONLY applies to SHOW DOG breeding and not selective breeding for working animals.
RazzleDazzleMagic
That's bullshit. Grew up with 'show dog' Dachshunds my entire life they look JUST like the old ones. Sorry.
weliveinaspaceshipdear
I didn't say it applies to ALL show dog breeding.
Matdredalia
That's iffy. I've seen selectively bred work animals just as bastardized and wrecked. I think it depends on whether people CARE.
lucyjin
This. My Fox Terrier is "show standard", but she has no health issues at all. She could still do the job she was bred for over 100yrs ago.
weliveinaspaceshipdear
And/Or are intelligent. Most working breeds are bred for heartiness, intelligence, and ability to perform a task, not for looks.
Matdredalia
Agreed. I think a lot of people genuinely don't know what they're doing and wing it thinking it's instant success and ruin poor animals.
weliveinaspaceshipdear
I've never understood the concept of "winging it" with something so major. That's like building a house with a general idea of what you like
tuhmahtoe
it also applies to "designer" breeding.
ChelBel
Dachshund owner here. The back problems are a real concern. Have to be so careful with them jumping on couches and climbing stairs.
MrBubblehead
Dachshund owner here. You understand how impossibly hard it is to make a dachshund do anything.
ChelBel
Yes I do! They're so stubborn! I love them though. They're amazing dogs. My family has always had doxies. :)
theshoeminator
I did a short stint as a vet tech and we had to treat a dachshund who'd broken her back from jumping off the couch. She was in so much pain.
ChelBel
Poor baby! I can't even imagine. :(
oneOfTheLoneWolfmen
I know there's a lot of breeds that have been ruined but what are some good breeds that aren't "ruined"? It'd be nice to hear about those.
poopingponies
The Albany Basset is the one they still use for hunting so they're bred for purpose and fit for purpose. You could never KC reg one though.
pontiacgirl75
the Newfoundland dog is pretty much the same when they were first discovered.
Corona688
I love how you phrased that. Like European settlers crashed ashore and ... it's a dog. I know what you mean it just sounds amusing
pontiacgirl75
Lol thanks.Unfortunately though they are now trying to say that the dog was brought over by fishermen from Basques France :/
Corona688
That actually makes sense thoug
h00plah
Most collies are still very healthy because they are bred purely for their athletic ability and intelligence, not their desired "looks"
wispr
The closer it looks to a wolf, the less 'ruined' it generally is.
gi99lepunch
Check out Akbash dogs.
Hellboundclown
Yeah, what about bloodhounds? I have one and he doesn't have any blatant health risks. Was his species once better though?
fatalen
I know America nuked Japan, but what about all the countries we didn't nuke?
panchokitty
Every breed is human engineered. They're like cars, built for a purpose.
lucyjin
There are plenty, but it's not fashionable to like breeds these days. There're also many ppl. working to improve the health of overbred ->
lucyjin
breeds like these, but it's not cool to mention that either.
theroguex
Unless they're working to improve the health by completely banning most of the existing breed standards (quick note: they aren't), (1/2)
theroguex
they're only perpetuating the fallacy that their opinions of what makes a good dog is right, when they're so far from right it's sad. (2/2)
SerialKitten666
Despite pretty constant inbreeding, huskies, labradors, pit bulls and golden retrievers are often quite alright and didn't change much
poopingponies
Omg no labradors have massive skeletal problems. Most are pts because they can't walk before they die naturally.
squiddylumpkins
Lots of hip dysplasia
TheAsterite
Golden Retrievers are very prone to cancer aren't they? Higher than other breeds at least?
SerialKitten666
I'm actually not sure. I wouldn't be surprised though, they're quite inbred/overbred on average :(
brumbievan
Goldens do have a high cancer rate unfortunately. Actually lost one to it :(
tuhmahtoe
All dog breeds have been inbred somewhat due to "backyard breeders" but you can always do a quick search and find a breed specific 1/?
tuhmahtoe
kennel club that prohibits inbreeding and emphasizes maintaining breed health. A good and responsible breeder will not have puppies on 2/?
tuhmahtoe
demand (their bitch should have ample time between litters, and there are often times wait lists), they should make you fill out an 3/?
tuhmahtoe
application, they should be willing to take their dog back if things don't work out (that shows they really care about their dogs) 4/?
tuhmahtoe
and it will cost you a hefty chunk of money to purchase a puppy. Also, this might be rather obvious, but avoid any type of dog that 5/?
omnomnomnicide
What's happened to the Bull Terrier is horrific. The result of so much inbreeding for pure breeds.
dontmagpie
you are confusing selective breeding with inbreeding. fuck off.
TheBatleyTownswomensGuild
Also, they've chosen a particularly fat Bullie for the right picture. A well kept dog would be far skinnier/more toned than that.
TheBatleyTownswomensGuild
1/3 Having grown up with English Bull Terriers my whole life I've never encountered compulsive tail-chasing or any dental issues. The left
omnomnomnicide
The changes aren't bad if they don't come with health problems. The problem is when it does. Post is being selective I guess.
TheBatleyTownswomensGuild
2/3 picture is more likely an ancestor of a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, with a much more pronounced snout bridge. True English Bull Terriers
TheBatleyTownswomensGuild
3/3 have had their egg-shaped head for around 140ish years as they were bred for rat and badger killing in Victorian times.
gosling96
You Just Saved me a couple minutes text ,
ProctalRelapse
NO STOP RUINING MY WANTING FOR A DOG! I WILL GET A DOG AND I WILL LOVE IT AND PROTECT IT FROM EVERY HEALTH ISSUE.
PunkassUnicorn
My dogs in their natural habitat: /a/ccCkg . All were adobted, no health problems whatsoever.
pontiacgirl75
Yay for adoption and yay that they are all healthy.. also, they are beautiful dogs, especially like the Labs ;)
Matdredalia
I have 3 dogs, all mutts & all from lines of dogs I or family owned before. They're my kids & I'd decapitate someone for doing this to them
Matdredalia
Just don't go for selectively bred, show-dog quality dogs as pets. Your best bet is to adopt from a shelter. Mutts are epic.
SihayaOfTheAllPowerfulMeh
Mutts are much more fun
Mshine
Get on of the wirehaired pointers, or the nordic breeds. They are working dogs and are generally very healthy and tough.
TheDogInThePicture
Don't let this ruin it for you. It's misleading and makes it sound like you can't find those original version of the dogs anymore. (1)
axedan
very true most you can fiind hunting and herding breeds that retain the practical traits
Cerinna
Or breeds that don't have all these problems. Also, the German Shepherds that are still angulated do not even get accepted for breeding now.
TheDogInThePicture
TheDogInThePicture
BTW this was (2)
Molotopheles
http://imgur.com/8O5TPI4 This is Lucky! She's a bit over 17, maybe she and Max should have a senior playdate. :)
Rentheyacht
And what kind of dog is Max?
axedan
looks like he may have some spainal in him
TheDogInThePicture
He's half Schipperke and half Cocker Spaniel.
AgamemnonsMemes
I have shepherds and i have a problem with this picture. A) the old/new pictures are VERY similar, B) you can find TONS of old style dogs
AgamemnonsMemes
Unless you are specifically looking for show dogs which is a thing but not a huge thing, its true for MOST dogs as well.
MikHolmes
Might be a silly question, but is it possible to breed these qualities /out/ of dogs? Obviously, it'd take decades, but can we save them?
poopingponies
Check out the dalmation-pointer cross project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_%28dog%29#Dalmatian-Pointer_Backcross_Project
carewyllie
The best way to fix them is to cross-breed them into a new breed. The problem is inbreeding. They need fresh genetic material.
Neenaabee
Depends. I've seen a few breeders who work on breeding functional working dogs. But they're few and far between. And their pups are $$$$$
Neenaabee
Specifically i was looking at working rotties. None of this "looks and acts like a labrador" foolishness but an actual dog, that can work.
Neenaabee
I found one breeder in Florida who specializes in them....but his pups have a waiting list longer than i am tall, and they are expensive!
shadowsong
yes it is, one of my friends is a bull dog breeder and currently working on elongating the snout to help the breathing problems.
BallsackHippo
heat stroke. The nose is so short that it can't cool hot air like the other dogs.
pykx
Absolutely it is. My pug looks like the one on the left and has none of the typical pug difficulties. He's my running partner.
pykx
Also, before I get in trouble for owning an actual breed of dog, he's a rescue. Mom was saved from a puppy mill and was already pregnant.
Ceylon
The GSD's back frog legs are currently being breeded out of the breed. It also starts with changing what the ideal show dog should look like
ragekritz
yes, but they won't be the same, which is fine, they'll be a new breed. Mutts are healthier than purebreds which are too often inbred.
dontmagpie
Yes, and you wouldnt even have to bring in mutts, like some dipshit poster said. There are already people breeding "traditional" type
piggypiglet
Don't confuse the Christians...
SaintMaceToTheFace
Fuck off
bewareofmeg
I have a long furred, straight backed German shepherd. He is beautiful and healthy (so far, he's 4 years old) and I'm thankful for that...
Canneverthinkofagoodname
yes, but it won't be a pure breed anymore
breakfastburner
More inbreeding should do the trick.
foXbehindawheel
Depends on the breeder. There are some pretty decent ones out there that breed for positive health traits in their dogs instead of just 1/2
foXbehindawheel
Show dog qualities. Got my Bulldog from one such breeder, he was 14 when he finally passed. Never had problems with typical health issues
tikimiki
you would need to cross breed with other dogs, but then they wouldn't be considered "pure breed."
OrangeCatapult
There was a dalmation breeder that used pointers to get rid of a gene mutation in his dogs. Still looked like dalmations but he had 1
OrangeCatapult
Problems with having them registered pure bred despite the fact that they were healthier dogs and were not visibly different.
Corona688
Kind of for a reason; they wouldn't breed true.
Kaysmira
I started reading "pure bred" as "inbred" a couple years back. Even "reputable breeders" is starting to feel shady.
Maboroshi1994
yeah, mutts are much healthier, these dogs are show dog strains, they are a little different (and sicker) than other strains.
JesusCrossProduct
Bastards. Bastards are the future.
tuhmahtoe
The first step is to stop buying puppies at backyard breeders, there are actually good breeders out there that want to breed healthy dogs.
soywhiterussians
No breeder cares about dogs. They care about money. MILLIONS of dogs get put down every year because of over population. Breeding is cruel!
tuhmahtoe
There are millions of dogs being put down because "animal lovers" don't get their animals fixed.
cerastes
Won't take decades. Cross them with a mutt or another breed. Unless you meant breeding the diseases out while keeping the look.
Splinthar
Boxers and terriers tend to end up pretty well. I mean the dog is full of energy but it ends up being ok.
AgamemnonsMemes
I'm pretty sure thats what they mean, otherwise just get a different dog. You would have to selectively breed to get back the old look
jenjennjenny92
There are solutions as many have pointed out.But, not much is being done & it would take some sort of major event for things to change
BallsackHippo
The English Bulldog is probably the one I petty the most :-( They have a lot of health problem and because of their short nose are die of
gingerminge
Some of these dogs, like German Shepherds and Basset Hounds, have lines that are bred for working instead of show and are still healthy.
Corona688
Agreed. Just because they don't *the same* as they did 100 years ago, doesn't mean they're *unhealthy*.
bittenkitten813
The poster is saying that the working breeds are still healthy. Show dogs are not.
irontom
I have a work line GSD, amazing dog.
theshoeminator
The Czech lines are incredible and come closest to the original conformation of the breed. Straight-backed, not huge, proportionate heads.
MadamMischief
Can confirm. I have a Czech German Shepard, He's a healthy working dog
honeypotter
There is a new strain of pugs called the Altdeutschermops. They're breeding ones with longer snouts to give them a healthier life.
BuffyMarsSavesTheWorld
And adorable!
nerdpony
Wow, that's great to hear :D Good news for the dogs!
MyInitialsAreJKSoImAlwaysKidding
Not show bred, but puggles (beagle+pugs) were popular a few years ago in an attempt for longer snouts with a pug personality
puzzledpenguin
Those are adorable. Please tell me puggles are healthy, well healthier than pugs.
Ceylon
You have to keep breeding the pups that show milder traits & spay the ones that are more extreme. For generations. No mutts needed.
Ceylon
The GSD's back frog legs are currently being breeded out of the breed. It also starts with changing what the ideal show dog should look like
perssimmon
Problem is with breeds like the pug they've all become gene fixed and so you have to breed out in order to introduce positive alleles
mongolmatt
Actually most breeders test for genetic defects and don't breed those dogs. The problem is you get average joe trying to breed.
poopingponies
Actually most champion bred dogs are the worst. The KC Best of Breed Chihuahua last year had SM.
mijiza
You sir, are correct. Have to watch out for those backyard breeders, they rarely genetically test and fix their animals, just keep breeding.
aldriel
This comment deserves more points
carrickbender5150
Amen!!!! Mutts are great for house dogs, but some of us do other things with our critters and prefer certain traits.
soywhiterussians
How is ANY breeding responsible? MILLIONS of dogs are put down each year because there aren't enough homes.
Greypuppy
If all shelters had a diverse range of dog breeds, it wouldn't be such a problem. You won't find a purebred samoyed in a shelter though.
Greypuppy
aaaand I just realized reddit linked to me to a year old thread. Wonderful.
mongolmatt
That's because average people don't fix their dogs. Don't blame people for the irresponsibility of others.
ILoveBabyBats
Upvotes for you! Not all purebreds are bad, there's just a lot of bad breeders. And really it comes down to this: you get what you pay for
Corona688
You won't find a daschund with a robust spine, or a pug that can breathe properly, etc, etc. Not everything can be blamed on "bad breeders"
ILoveBabyBats
all animals just like all humans have SOME kind of problem. Should we not reproduce because our relatives had cancer or heart problems?
Corona688
Did you think purebred dogs chose their mates?? They had no choice.
theshoeminator
Brachycephalic dogs make me sad. I will never own one.
nermando
Average joes weren't the ones breeding those dogs into what they are now. It's our vanity and wanting looks over health.
pykx
Lots of modern breeders understand breed defects and are working to restore breeds to their former selves.
nermando
So you tell me that most modern breeders do not breed dogs for dogshows, fashion and money? Sadly dogs are mostly expensive merchandise.
mongolmatt
Well in Texas we breed for work. Also we do contain no kill cities. Write your representatives.
nermando
And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people don't love their dogs. But let's face it, it's a huge business.
Mairoa
Yes! My working terriers are fantastic because they have a fantastic woman's dedicated life's work behind them. She won't even sell them.
starvingpoet
I'm not sure I follow - many of what we consider "breed traits" ARE genetic defects. As is stated, there is NO healthy bulldog.
mongolmatt
Not exactly, we all have genetic defects That ensures the survivability of our genes, problem is people breed dogs with known deadly defects
mongolmatt
Also look at other animal species, the horse for example has been bred way longer. Still less problems because educated people bred them.
SerialKitten666
Most purebreds don't come from responsible breeders. They come from puppy mills or backyard breeders so the genetic defects are common
mongolmatt
Why they are out there if you do some research it is easy to avoid them. But that requires people to read.So yeah......
SerialKitten666
I find it extremely difficult to effectively locate a good breeder. The good breeders are often very small "businesses" and often only
mongolmatt
I'm in Texas, so this isn't really a problem.
SerialKitten666
breed a few dogs a year. Supply is extremely limited. Long wait times. Often more expensive and rarely do they live near you.
SerialKitten666
If you get a dog or a cat, you should go by personality and not appearance.
mongolmatt
Breeds do have general personalities, which a lot are bred for.
SerialKitten666
The average person doesn't want to travel far/pay a lot/wait for a dog. Also, in general, piss poor idea to adopt a dog for breed's sake
mongolmatt
Then this tells me the average person doesn't deserve one. But I still don't blame the breeder. Just the consumer.