100 Years of Breed "Improvement"

May 11, 2014 11:41 PM

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Bull Terrier

It seems incredible that at one time the Bull Terrier was a handsome, athletic dog. Somewhere along its journey to a mutated skull and thick abdomen the bull terrier also picked up a number of other maladies like supernumerary teeth and compulsive tail-chasing.

Basset Hound

The Basset Hound has gotten lower, has suffered changes to its rear leg structure, has excessive skin, vertebra problems, droopy eyes prone to entropion and ectropion and excessively large ears.

Boxer

A shorter face means a host of problems. The modern Boxer not only has a shorter face but the muzzle is slightly upturned. The boxer – like all bracecyphalic dogs – has difficulty controlling its temperature in hot weather, the inability to shed heat places limits on physical performance. It also has one of the highest cancer rates.

English Bulldog

The English bulldog has come to symbolize all that is wrong with the dog fancy and not without good reason; they suffer from almost every possible disease. A 2004 survey by the Kennel Club found that they die at the median age of 6.25 years (n=180). There really is no such thing as a healthy bulldog. The bulldog’s monstrous proportions make them virtually incapable of mating or birthing without medical intervention.

Dachschund

The Dachshund used to have functional legs and necks that made sense for their size. Backs and necks have gotten longer, chest jutted forward and legs have shrunk to such proportions that there is barely any clearance between the chest and floor. The dachschund has the highest risk of any breed for intervertebral disc disease which can result in paralysis; they are also prone to achondroplastic related pathologies, PRA and problems with their legs.

German Shepard

The German Shepherd Dog is also a breed that is routinely mentioned when people talk about ruined breeds; maybe because they used to be awesome. In Dogs of All Nations, the GSD is described as a medium-sized dog (25 kg /55 lb), this is a far cry from the angulated, barrel-chested, sloping back, ataxic, 85-pounders (38 kg) we are used to seeing in the conformation ring. There was a time when the GSD could clear a 2.5 meter (8.5 ft) wall; that time is long gone.

Pug

The Pug is another extreme brachycephalic breed and it has all the problems associated with that trait – high blood pressure, heart problems, low oxygenation, difficulty breathing, tendency to overheat, dentition problems, and skin fold dermatitis. The highly desirable double-curl tail is actually a genetic defect, in more serious forms it leads to paralysis.

So is this how you get to front page? Just steal shit from people and repost it?

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I picked up my mutt from the friendly stray dog when animal control picked her up. Bestest friend I could have ever found.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

This post is worth reposting!

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

german shepherd is world wide the no.1 service/rescue/k9 dog for a reason so its not like the whole breed is ruined but its still a shame

12 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 1

Dogs bred to fill those roles are almost an entire different breed than those bred for show.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Good thing dogs bred to fill those roles are much more common than dogs bred for show. Show dogs are expensive and rare comparatively.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

You want to see something even more dramatic? Line up some fashion models from 100 years ago and their modern counterparts.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

There are actually breeders that are working to get those breeds back to what they USED to be. Remember seeing an article in National 1/2

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Geographic magazine sometime last year. 2/2

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The 2 St. Bernards aren't even the same breed. The left one is short-haired & the right one is long-haired. Source: I used to work with SB.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

Yeah, the SB post is just wrong, St. Bernards almost went extinct in the earlier half of the 1800s due to severe weather killing most (1/2)

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

of the breeding dogs, so in the 1850s in an attempt to save them they were mated with Newfoundlands, which is why modern SBs look like them.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Exactly, there are very few pure short-haired SB alive.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I like, need more

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I have never seen a German Shepard with hind legs like the one on the right.

12 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

No? Look up the some of the winners for "Best Of Breed" on Google.. .Like Crufts.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

That kind of German Shepherd is only used in the show ring.. Working GS don't have such extreme hind legs

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Seems like mostly the German show lines have the roached back. US show GSD's have the slope (equally bad).

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

holy.shit.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Indeed.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This makes total sense. Shiba Inus were at onetime incredibly intelligent dogs. Now they only say things like "much doge" and "very vow"

12 years ago | Likes 984 Dislikes 19

Hey, congrats on making top comment!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I thought you were about to rip on my favorite breed and I was gonna be real upset. :(

12 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Glad it was just a meme

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I have an akita and she actually stole my sister's shiba to play. They're both awesome breeds

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Sometimes that's the most intelligent thing to say. Say hello to the internet

12 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 0

Much truth.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Such agree

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

wow.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

lol

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I have a shiba Inu. I can confirm this.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Thank you

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thank you for the 01:16 laugh! My night needed it

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Look at the dong on that dachshund

12 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 2

I guess being "hung like a dachshund" isn't such a bad thing

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

thanks for bringing attention to this. I've always disliked that people do this to animals: i think it's cruel and selfish

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

AMEN.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

and thats why i get mutts there adorable and low maitnence

12 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

No matter how many times I see this I still feel the need to tell my basset that he is wonderful the way he is. Bowlegged and all.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

I love my Basset as well; although she's not really bowlegged, and she's not droopy. Maybe she's pretending to be a Basset.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

My basset is handicapped so we got him for free from a breeder, otherwise you wouldn't have gone to a breeder.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I got mine from someone who didn't know how to take care of her (said she was "defective"). Best adoption ever!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

100 years of selective breeding can produce awesomeness, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Cattle_Dog

12 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

No one who has ever worked in the veterinary industry would ever agree with you.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

Shhh.... We don't talk about success stories here (acd, border collie, Doberman no longer aggressive, shiba inu saved from extinction)

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Aussies are awesome! By far the smartest dog I've ever owned!

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

huh yeah I nearly lost my arm as a child thanks to a Blue. Unprovoked . Not always to be trusted

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Meiko my Aussie is the bestest dog ever and smarter than the average tumbler poster ;). Although Aussies do have a neurotic personality...

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

If you breed for health and ability the breed improves. If you breed for appearance and obsession with 'pure' bloodlines, it reduces.

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

@repoststatistics

12 years ago | Likes 69 Dislikes 27

Go on, I incest.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

First time I've seen this, so sue me. Who cares if it's a repost? Not everyone's seen every repost before.

12 years ago | Likes 128 Dislikes 16

Exactly.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 4

Can't understand why people whine about this kind of reposts. If this was about cancer etc would you complain if you had seen it already?

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

1/2 Don't forget the Cavaliers. Their skulls are so small that the cerebellum actually tries to squeeze its way out through

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Yep. One of the cruelest things I've seen. SO sad.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2/2 a hole at the back of the skull. My dog had the disease (syringomyelia) and we had to put her down and she was just 4.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Breeding for appearance is so selfish and stupid. It is awful what they have done to animals. STOP buying them.

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AMEN.

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There are plently of breeds w. problems, but not all do. Case in point: Breed standard hasn't changed ->

12 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

You also have to realize that inbreeding within the dog show world is common (1/2)

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

& just because the dog doesn't exhibit problems, there's a high chance that its offspring may be inflicted with health problems

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Indeed, however, that comes back to responsible breeding. My dog has a small palate problem that we believe is injury related rather than ->

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

congenital, but we reported it to her breeder anyway. He IMMEDIATELY got on to every breeder who used my dog's bloodline to check if there->

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were any instances of palate problems in any dogs or puppies born, now or in the past. If there had been, my dog's dam would have been ->

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in 100 years, but they'll still get tarred with the same BREEDING IZ BAD brush. IRRESPONSIBLE breeding is bad. Don't blindly hate.

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Honestly I'm disappointed no one mentions the fact that most GSD's these days stand and walk like their back was broken but not disabled.

12 years ago | Likes 127 Dislikes 2

I saw one at the park the other day like that. It was horrifying. It looked like it was going to fall down every time it ran.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

This is why we specifically got an old fashioned GSD. His back is almost perfectly straight, and he has a long coat instead of short. (1)

12 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 0

so did we. We specifically looked for a GSD with only german blood lines with generations of dogs with healthy hips and backs

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Exactly! That's the way to do it!

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

My miniature poodle walks like that :( I'm not sure if it's a defect or somebody kicked him before I adopted him from the pound.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

We have an old style German Shepherd. Wanted to be sure that there'd be less chance of hip displasia, as with the extreme sloped back breed.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

He also weighs just under 100 lbs, and has the energy of a Jack Russel. He doesn't have any of the major health issues most GSD's have. (2)

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

I have a GSD; I don't know what you're talking about. She walks and runs and jumps just fine.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Not all GSD's do but the show ones in American especially do. And a lot of people just don't see it as abnormal, too.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm in the states. This is my first GSD, So perhaps I'm seeing what you're describing, and not knowing it's unusual.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'd never seen a GSD like that until someone posted pics on imgur. Obviously the 'trend' doesn't carry in all countries.

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

Many dogs like the GSD still have a work breedline alongside the show breedline. It's still very possible to find a healthy straight-back.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yes, this. I have never seen slanted back GSD. In my country they have always been police and duty dogs. Not breed for beauty.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

This is great to know- I've always hated the show standard for the GSD. Just never seemed healthy.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

My german shepherd isn't like this at all though. she has no health problems and doesn't have a sloped back. She only weighs like 65 lbs.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Mine too! She's sable though (gorgeous), not traditional black/tan. Her momma was white (show dogs have 0 white or they're disqualified).

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not all GSD's have it, but majority if not all American show-bred ones do. And some people don't notice it as a problem.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

For what it's worth I have 2 litter mates that are a GSD/Border Collie/Pit Bull mix and their body more closely resembles the older 1/2

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

image and they are about 45-50 lbs. They have no trouble getting over a 7 ft. fence, which they do frequently -_- 2/2

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Pictures!

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

As someone with a dog that likes to wander, I'm very glad he doesn't realize he can clear the fence (he's not too bright). Best of luck.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I couldn't breed dogs, I'd want them to choose what they like. "you like her, do ya? Well...go sniff her bum. They like that, I promise"

12 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 6

I let my dog do that and he mounted two bitches, a daughter and a mother... Fuck my life.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Not an issue unless it was his -own- mother and daughter, right?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thankfully not :)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

wait, so that's only how DOGS interact? I've been doing it wrong this whole time!

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

But you are a dog...apult

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Literally the exact opposite of natural selection: giving animals traits that actually INHIBIT their survival.

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1] It's not really. The distinction between naturally selection and fancy-breeding is the breeding doesn't allow time for the breeds to

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 7

It's called artificial selection. As long as we like them, we'll make them breed.

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Why didn't you call the police right away?

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3] breeding and time but the diversity seen among dog breeds wont occur with in one species in nature.

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Natural selection made pandas.

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And it would have killed them off it it weren't for our interventions.

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^ This

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

yay humans

12 years ago | Likes 42 Dislikes 3

Yep some people are assholes.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

My thoughts exactly

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

2] acquire the genetic diversity needed to support a healthy population. You can smush and stretch an animal as much as you want with

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

No, it is really. Literally, modern bulldogs cannot give birth without c-sections. They are unfit for survival-nothing to do with diversity.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

2] process is still from selection, literally and definitively.

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1] And yet they arose over time due to environmental pressure. There's no dispute that bulldogs are a less fit breed than others, but the

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 5

These breeds are arising due to human selection. Extra folds of skin only hinder their lives. No amount of diversity will help with that.

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1] I didn't say it would, nor do I know that it wouldn't. My point is that it's not "literally" the opposite of evolution. Evolution is not

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

3] sexual selection which has lead to the grotesquely oversized antlers in some species of deer, for example.

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2] a process that makes a species or sub species more healthy, it makes them more fit to the environment which might include unhealthy

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It should be pointed out that this ONLY applies to SHOW DOG breeding and not selective breeding for working animals.

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That's bullshit. Grew up with 'show dog' Dachshunds my entire life they look JUST like the old ones. Sorry.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I didn't say it applies to ALL show dog breeding.

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That's iffy. I've seen selectively bred work animals just as bastardized and wrecked. I think it depends on whether people CARE.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

This. My Fox Terrier is "show standard", but she has no health issues at all. She could still do the job she was bred for over 100yrs ago.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

And/Or are intelligent. Most working breeds are bred for heartiness, intelligence, and ability to perform a task, not for looks.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Agreed. I think a lot of people genuinely don't know what they're doing and wing it thinking it's instant success and ruin poor animals.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I've never understood the concept of "winging it" with something so major. That's like building a house with a general idea of what you like

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

it also applies to "designer" breeding.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Dachshund owner here. The back problems are a real concern. Have to be so careful with them jumping on couches and climbing stairs.

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Dachshund owner here. You understand how impossibly hard it is to make a dachshund do anything.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Yes I do! They're so stubborn! I love them though. They're amazing dogs. My family has always had doxies. :)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I did a short stint as a vet tech and we had to treat a dachshund who'd broken her back from jumping off the couch. She was in so much pain.

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Poor baby! I can't even imagine. :(

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I know there's a lot of breeds that have been ruined but what are some good breeds that aren't "ruined"? It'd be nice to hear about those.

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The Albany Basset is the one they still use for hunting so they're bred for purpose and fit for purpose. You could never KC reg one though.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

the Newfoundland dog is pretty much the same when they were first discovered.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

I love how you phrased that. Like European settlers crashed ashore and ... it's a dog. I know what you mean it just sounds amusing

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Lol thanks.Unfortunately though they are now trying to say that the dog was brought over by fishermen from Basques France :/

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That actually makes sense thoug

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Most collies are still very healthy because they are bred purely for their athletic ability and intelligence, not their desired "looks"

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

The closer it looks to a wolf, the less 'ruined' it generally is.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Check out Akbash dogs.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah, what about bloodhounds? I have one and he doesn't have any blatant health risks. Was his species once better though?

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I know America nuked Japan, but what about all the countries we didn't nuke?

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 10

Every breed is human engineered. They're like cars, built for a purpose.

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There are plenty, but it's not fashionable to like breeds these days. There're also many ppl. working to improve the health of overbred ->

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

breeds like these, but it's not cool to mention that either.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Unless they're working to improve the health by completely banning most of the existing breed standards (quick note: they aren't), (1/2)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

they're only perpetuating the fallacy that their opinions of what makes a good dog is right, when they're so far from right it's sad. (2/2)

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Despite pretty constant inbreeding, huskies, labradors, pit bulls and golden retrievers are often quite alright and didn't change much

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Omg no labradors have massive skeletal problems. Most are pts because they can't walk before they die naturally.

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Lots of hip dysplasia

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Golden Retrievers are very prone to cancer aren't they? Higher than other breeds at least?

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I'm actually not sure. I wouldn't be surprised though, they're quite inbred/overbred on average :(

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Goldens do have a high cancer rate unfortunately. Actually lost one to it :(

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

All dog breeds have been inbred somewhat due to "backyard breeders" but you can always do a quick search and find a breed specific 1/?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

kennel club that prohibits inbreeding and emphasizes maintaining breed health. A good and responsible breeder will not have puppies on 2/?

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demand (their bitch should have ample time between litters, and there are often times wait lists), they should make you fill out an 3/?

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application, they should be willing to take their dog back if things don't work out (that shows they really care about their dogs) 4/?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

and it will cost you a hefty chunk of money to purchase a puppy. Also, this might be rather obvious, but avoid any type of dog that 5/?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What's happened to the Bull Terrier is horrific. The result of so much inbreeding for pure breeds.

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you are confusing selective breeding with inbreeding. fuck off.

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Also, they've chosen a particularly fat Bullie for the right picture. A well kept dog would be far skinnier/more toned than that.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

1/3 Having grown up with English Bull Terriers my whole life I've never encountered compulsive tail-chasing or any dental issues. The left

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

The changes aren't bad if they don't come with health problems. The problem is when it does. Post is being selective I guess.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

2/3 picture is more likely an ancestor of a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, with a much more pronounced snout bridge. True English Bull Terriers

12 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

3/3 have had their egg-shaped head for around 140ish years as they were bred for rat and badger killing in Victorian times.

12 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 1

You Just Saved me a couple minutes text ,

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

NO STOP RUINING MY WANTING FOR A DOG! I WILL GET A DOG AND I WILL LOVE IT AND PROTECT IT FROM EVERY HEALTH ISSUE.

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My dogs in their natural habitat: /a/ccCkg . All were adobted, no health problems whatsoever.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yay for adoption and yay that they are all healthy.. also, they are beautiful dogs, especially like the Labs ;)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have 3 dogs, all mutts & all from lines of dogs I or family owned before. They're my kids & I'd decapitate someone for doing this to them

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Just don't go for selectively bred, show-dog quality dogs as pets. Your best bet is to adopt from a shelter. Mutts are epic.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Mutts are much more fun

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Get on of the wirehaired pointers, or the nordic breeds. They are working dogs and are generally very healthy and tough.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Don't let this ruin it for you. It's misleading and makes it sound like you can't find those original version of the dogs anymore. (1)

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

very true most you can fiind hunting and herding breeds that retain the practical traits

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Or breeds that don't have all these problems. Also, the German Shepherds that are still angulated do not even get accepted for breeding now.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This is Max. He's been my good boy for almost 17 years now.

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BTW this was (2)

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http://imgur.com/8O5TPI4 This is Lucky! She's a bit over 17, maybe she and Max should have a senior playdate. :)

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And what kind of dog is Max?

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looks like he may have some spainal in him

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

He's half Schipperke and half Cocker Spaniel.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have shepherds and i have a problem with this picture. A) the old/new pictures are VERY similar, B) you can find TONS of old style dogs

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Unless you are specifically looking for show dogs which is a thing but not a huge thing, its true for MOST dogs as well.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Might be a silly question, but is it possible to breed these qualities /out/ of dogs? Obviously, it'd take decades, but can we save them?

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Check out the dalmation-pointer cross project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_%28dog%29#Dalmatian-Pointer_Backcross_Project

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The best way to fix them is to cross-breed them into a new breed. The problem is inbreeding. They need fresh genetic material.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Depends. I've seen a few breeders who work on breeding functional working dogs. But they're few and far between. And their pups are $$$$$

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Specifically i was looking at working rotties. None of this "looks and acts like a labrador" foolishness but an actual dog, that can work.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I found one breeder in Florida who specializes in them....but his pups have a waiting list longer than i am tall, and they are expensive!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

yes it is, one of my friends is a bull dog breeder and currently working on elongating the snout to help the breathing problems.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

heat stroke. The nose is so short that it can't cool hot air like the other dogs.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Absolutely it is. My pug looks like the one on the left and has none of the typical pug difficulties. He's my running partner.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Also, before I get in trouble for owning an actual breed of dog, he's a rescue. Mom was saved from a puppy mill and was already pregnant.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

The GSD's back frog legs are currently being breeded out of the breed. It also starts with changing what the ideal show dog should look like

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

yes, but they won't be the same, which is fine, they'll be a new breed. Mutts are healthier than purebreds which are too often inbred.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Yes, and you wouldnt even have to bring in mutts, like some dipshit poster said. There are already people breeding "traditional" type

12 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 9

Don't confuse the Christians...

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 11

Fuck off

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

I have a long furred, straight backed German shepherd. He is beautiful and healthy (so far, he's 4 years old) and I'm thankful for that...

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

yes, but it won't be a pure breed anymore

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

More inbreeding should do the trick.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Depends on the breeder. There are some pretty decent ones out there that breed for positive health traits in their dogs instead of just 1/2

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Show dog qualities. Got my Bulldog from one such breeder, he was 14 when he finally passed. Never had problems with typical health issues

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

you would need to cross breed with other dogs, but then they wouldn't be considered "pure breed."

12 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

There was a dalmation breeder that used pointers to get rid of a gene mutation in his dogs. Still looked like dalmations but he had 1

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Problems with having them registered pure bred despite the fact that they were healthier dogs and were not visibly different.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Kind of for a reason; they wouldn't breed true.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I started reading "pure bred" as "inbred" a couple years back. Even "reputable breeders" is starting to feel shady.

12 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

yeah, mutts are much healthier, these dogs are show dog strains, they are a little different (and sicker) than other strains.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Bastards. Bastards are the future.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

The first step is to stop buying puppies at backyard breeders, there are actually good breeders out there that want to breed healthy dogs.

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 3

No breeder cares about dogs. They care about money. MILLIONS of dogs get put down every year because of over population. Breeding is cruel!

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 7

There are millions of dogs being put down because "animal lovers" don't get their animals fixed.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Won't take decades. Cross them with a mutt or another breed. Unless you meant breeding the diseases out while keeping the look.

12 years ago | Likes 92 Dislikes 0

Boxers and terriers tend to end up pretty well. I mean the dog is full of energy but it ends up being ok.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I'm pretty sure thats what they mean, otherwise just get a different dog. You would have to selectively breed to get back the old look

12 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

There are solutions as many have pointed out.But, not much is being done & it would take some sort of major event for things to change

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The English Bulldog is probably the one I petty the most :-( They have a lot of health problem and because of their short nose are die of

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Some of these dogs, like German Shepherds and Basset Hounds, have lines that are bred for working instead of show and are still healthy.

12 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 0

Agreed. Just because they don't *the same* as they did 100 years ago, doesn't mean they're *unhealthy*.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

The poster is saying that the working breeds are still healthy. Show dogs are not.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I have a work line GSD, amazing dog.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

The Czech lines are incredible and come closest to the original conformation of the breed. Straight-backed, not huge, proportionate heads.

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Can confirm. I have a Czech German Shepard, He's a healthy working dog

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There is a new strain of pugs called the Altdeutschermops. They're breeding ones with longer snouts to give them a healthier life.

12 years ago | Likes 63 Dislikes 0

And adorable!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wow, that's great to hear :D Good news for the dogs!

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Not show bred, but puggles (beagle+pugs) were popular a few years ago in an attempt for longer snouts with a pug personality

12 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Those are adorable. Please tell me puggles are healthy, well healthier than pugs.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

You have to keep breeding the pups that show milder traits & spay the ones that are more extreme. For generations. No mutts needed.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

The GSD's back frog legs are currently being breeded out of the breed. It also starts with changing what the ideal show dog should look like

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Problem is with breeds like the pug they've all become gene fixed and so you have to breed out in order to introduce positive alleles

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Actually most breeders test for genetic defects and don't breed those dogs. The problem is you get average joe trying to breed.

12 years ago | Likes 88 Dislikes 10

Actually most champion bred dogs are the worst. The KC Best of Breed Chihuahua last year had SM.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

You sir, are correct. Have to watch out for those backyard breeders, they rarely genetically test and fix their animals, just keep breeding.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 4

This comment deserves more points

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

Amen!!!! Mutts are great for house dogs, but some of us do other things with our critters and prefer certain traits.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 5

How is ANY breeding responsible? MILLIONS of dogs are put down each year because there aren't enough homes.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

If all shelters had a diverse range of dog breeds, it wouldn't be such a problem. You won't find a purebred samoyed in a shelter though.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

aaaand I just realized reddit linked to me to a year old thread. Wonderful.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's because average people don't fix their dogs. Don't blame people for the irresponsibility of others.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 6

Upvotes for you! Not all purebreds are bad, there's just a lot of bad breeders. And really it comes down to this: you get what you pay for

12 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 7

You won't find a daschund with a robust spine, or a pug that can breathe properly, etc, etc. Not everything can be blamed on "bad breeders"

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

all animals just like all humans have SOME kind of problem. Should we not reproduce because our relatives had cancer or heart problems?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Did you think purebred dogs chose their mates?? They had no choice.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Brachycephalic dogs make me sad. I will never own one.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Average joes weren't the ones breeding those dogs into what they are now. It's our vanity and wanting looks over health.

12 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 3

Lots of modern breeders understand breed defects and are working to restore breeds to their former selves.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

So you tell me that most modern breeders do not breed dogs for dogshows, fashion and money? Sadly dogs are mostly expensive merchandise.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Well in Texas we breed for work. Also we do contain no kill cities. Write your representatives.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people don't love their dogs. But let's face it, it's a huge business.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yes! My working terriers are fantastic because they have a fantastic woman's dedicated life's work behind them. She won't even sell them.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

I'm not sure I follow - many of what we consider "breed traits" ARE genetic defects. As is stated, there is NO healthy bulldog.

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Not exactly, we all have genetic defects That ensures the survivability of our genes, problem is people breed dogs with known deadly defects

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

Also look at other animal species, the horse for example has been bred way longer. Still less problems because educated people bred them.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

Most purebreds don't come from responsible breeders. They come from puppy mills or backyard breeders so the genetic defects are common

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

Why they are out there if you do some research it is easy to avoid them. But that requires people to read.So yeah......

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I find it extremely difficult to effectively locate a good breeder. The good breeders are often very small "businesses" and often only

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

I'm in Texas, so this isn't really a problem.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

breed a few dogs a year. Supply is extremely limited. Long wait times. Often more expensive and rarely do they live near you.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

If you get a dog or a cat, you should go by personality and not appearance.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 4

Breeds do have general personalities, which a lot are bred for.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The average person doesn't want to travel far/pay a lot/wait for a dog. Also, in general, piss poor idea to adopt a dog for breed's sake

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 4

Then this tells me the average person doesn't deserve one. But I still don't blame the breeder. Just the consumer.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1