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“The Salvadoran government does not plan to release any prisoner from CECOT, and Minister of Justice and Public Security Villatoro has stated that prisoners incarcerated at CECOT will never return to their communities. Villatoro also ruled out rehabilitation programs for CECOT's inmates.”
CECOT is where prisoners go to die.
This is what an updated Auschwitz, American style, looks like, supported in part by U.S. tax dollars.
https://open.substack.com/pub/antoniazk/p/the-conditions-of-cecot-the-prison
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-81749d7c-d0a0-48d0-bb11-eaab6f1e6556
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/06/americas/el-salvador-inside-cecot-prison/index.html
https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-trump-prison-immigrants-4ab3fc3c0474efb308084604b61f8a37
maday1br
I wonder if this constitutes an Eighth Amendment violation against anyone sent there from America.
Atlasraven
And they can label anyone a gang member and send them here. Guilty without a trial.
michaelfire
The United States government still practices a sort of "clean" torture on United States soil." https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1878&context=honors Campbell, Duncan. "US Interrogators Tum to 'Torture Lite' The Guardian. Guardian News and Media"> Guardia">Interrogators Tum to 'Torture Lite' The Guardian. Guardian News and Media, January 25, 2003. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/25/usa.alqaida https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Cruelty-Literature-Political-Imprisonment/dp/0393313123 Op MKUltra US torture, Cointelpro
ahorseelbowdeepinme
BofusTeefus
Republican pornography
johnvictor
The cruelty is the point.
irrational1618
Republicans are Nazis. Germans put the concentration camps in other countries, like Poland. The USA is doing the same thing.
Badwolf09
ElbowDeepInYou
Why does this even exist?
andwings2go
Did he make that statement after our courts demanded DOJ get Garcia back?
ParallelParkingInABurka
No, the statement was made a while ago, maybe years ago, not sure. He was basically bragging about this awesome new prison he he'd built.
andwings2go
Ok good. Thank you.
arthurvanhoudt
Isn’t moving prisoners to El Salvador considered a breach of international rights?
jonnnney
Yes
sadurdaynight
Trump, and putin, netanyahu, etc are at there point where they just say "you and what army?" when folks say they should stop violating human rights. And other countries would rather turn a blind eye and just wct like it's not happening hoping the citizens in each country will rally and overthrow the regimes.
WrongUn
Think we're well beyond that now. We crossed that line years ago
Stefnos
USA dosent play by any rules anymore or ever
Americaisacontinent
Nobody cared for the good people before, now everybody cares for the bad one imprisoned... Life is so messed up in society
proxy5000
michaelfire
Never forget this is what US torture by rendition looks like. Gitmo. Not technically foreign soil. Torture camps. DeSantis oversaw forced rectal feeding. Seen here prisoners shackled into stress positions, hooded and gloved for sensory deprivation. Forced to kneel on sharp rock- a Japanese WWII torture. In Cuban heat. See also Israeli torture prisons with rape, days long zip tied limbs leading to amputations. The long history of USmil/Intel teaching torture....
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crateo
Oh yeah. It's good that Obama closed our for good..oh wait...
michaelfire
https://literaryreview.co.uk/the-ultimate-weapon-of-state-control [free book on Kindle Unlimited] https:/20">//www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-escalating-use-torture-against-palestini">s/20">//www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-escalating-use-torture-against-palestinians-custody-preventable Zersetzung in the US/Cointelpro 2.0 under Cheney 9/11 unlimited war authorities/ US Patriot Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung https://www.bowdoin.edu/news/2022/09/exploring-americas-persistent-use-of-torture-over-the-last-century.html
rossimus
When the good guys get back in power I think the CIA could use some practice overthrowing a certain central American government.
MelfsAcidArrow
What I don’t understand is why they don’t just kill them. If they are never leaving, save money in your evil.
sweethome
I wonder this too, not that I want that to happen I just don’t understand Bukele’s rationale for this. Maybe he thinks it’s a stronger deterrent?
MelfsAcidArrow
Oh I definitely don’t want it to just be a slaughterhouse either. I just don’t understand. And maybe I don’t have the right brain (thankfully) to understand it
mirrors
It seems they need to hold up their example as a threatening, horrifying spectacle. Tattoo removal has come a long way, try something, give some a chance at redemption.
4thwalled
tzahtman
IIRC the first Nazi concentration camps were not in Germany but made in other countries.
Affray
Gotta test them out elsewhere and work out the kinks before bringing them home.
NKato
Not quite Auschwitz, but also not quite Dachau -- somewhere in between.
michaelfire
Rendition for torture. "Technically, the Patriot Act did not make torture legal. Because the United States is part of the Geneva Convention, it claims to not partake in "torture," but instead practices "torture lite" or "clean torture" on American soil. Torture lite does not leave any long-standing or "permanent" physical damage, while regular torture can result in death. The United States still practices regular torture in "third-party countries," or those not part of the Geneva Convention...1/
michaelfire
That said, the United States government still practices a sort of "clean" torture on United States soil." https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1878&context=honors Campbell, Duncan. "US Interrogators Tum to 'Torture Lite"' The Guardian. Guardian News and Media"> Guardia">nterrogators Tum to 'Torture Lite"' The Guardian. Guardian News and Media, January 25, 2003. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/25/usa.alqaida https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Cruelty-Literature-Political-Imprisonment/dp/0393313123 Op MKUltra US torture
djangojazz
So I want to know more about US funding. I used to work with someone from Costa Rica and they said a lot of this happened during the first Trump Administration. And it was originally only supposed to be El Salvador gang problem and it was now very safe in El Salvador. But at this cost it looks like death camps.
kuijpers27184
Criminal!
michaelfire
Never forget: this is what a Right wing US torture prison looks like for children. Sleep deprivation and discomfort: Cold. lights always on, noisy, profound mental and emotional cruelty: no comforting the children allowed, inadequate sanitation, no beds, cages, no MH treatment, permanently orphaned by destroying the children's records.
https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2019/child-detention-at-the-border-is-torture/ 1/
michaelfire
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michaelfire
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xstickman
You should never forget that there's an entire chain of regular people who Just Followed Orders to send American citizens to these prisons. It's not Donald Trump himself going out on the street arresting, detaining, and transporting these people.
Zakcl
You know what we call all the Nazis who were just following orders, didn't really believe in the project, were scared the system would turn on them next if they didn't put the uniform on?
Nazis.
cousteau
When I was a kid I didn't like learning history. Now I have the chance to experience it live. Yay 😭
TheWombatStrikesAgain
You'd think the results would be predictable, but I can assure you, if one of the people responsible should ever land in front of a judge (however likely that is), they will insist they didn't know anything about it and are truly horrified, and had they known before, they would have totally done something.
And knowing America, they will get one or two years of house arrest, then a full presidential pardon once the next administration comes in.
alwaysupvotefuturama
This is monstrous and evil, devoid of humanity anf compassion. This is not how Nazi Germany started, it's pretty far along the way of how it went.
CASchoeps
Not a big step from "you will die here (maybe of old age)" to installing those special showers to speed along the process.
Somegone
There is not enough words here to tell you how national germany started, but it did not start with cracking down on gang members thst anually caused over 30k murders, the People you see in that picture have all commited at leadt one murder to even be allowed in the group
Not to mentions all the theft, trafficking, drug trade and disreguard of human life
xj4low
That's what happens when Trump spends most of a decade calling them animals. Disengages them from being human to allow for this kind of treatment. All the times he called them dogs and animals.
crateo
Eh, Guantanamo or Abu Grahib are worse than CECOT. And are full murrican. When did Obama or Biden closed Guantanamo?
The11thPlague
Someone downvoted you, but it's true. Democrats did not undo such horrors. Looking back, things were going to hell, just at a different speed. Nobody ever dared stop the meat grinder. Did anyone even slow it down, or did they just reduce the acceleration rate?
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Its not a contest.
crateo
No, it is about leading by example. CECOT exists partially because the regional human rights standard is so low.
drfranny
I can't believe this is my country that did this. What have we become?
RyanH42
You don't believe a country founded on slavery and genocide would send people to death camps?
jamiekellyxxx
It was always been this way. The whole thing is rotten to the core.
michaelfire
Google AI says "The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has been accused of involvement in drug trafficking, particularly concerning prison gangs and street gangs, with allegations suggesting that the CIA may have been complicit in or even directly involved in drug trafficking operations to fund covert operation, like the one supporting the Contras in Nicaragua. While investigations haven't definitively proven direct CIA drug trafficking...1/
michaelfire
there are claims of indirect involvement, with allegations that the CIA may have facilitated or allowed drug trafficking to support other objectives....A series of reports highlighted a San Francisco Bay Area drug ring that allegedly supplied cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs in Los Angeles and funneled drug profits to a guerrilla army supported by the CIA. This ring allegedly opened the first pipeline between Colombian cocaine cartels and the black neighborhoods of Los Angeles....
PoliticalWanderer
Yeah, this is 100% a death camp.
castamir
No, it's a concentration camp. In a death camp prisoners get to "showers" or nagan cellars immediately. In a concentration camp no one cares if a prisoner dies but there's no large scale killing. In a prison/labour camp prisoner abuse causes uproar (see Lynndie England). There were mixed camps (and Auschwitz was really a network of over 40 subcamps) but most had a single type.
SaraSlaughter
Yeah that looks like bodies with blood all over the pavement, and right before the last frame zooms in, there is blood on the other side of that building too. This is a horrifying image, but I imagine several die every day with infighting or beatings from officers.... Sickening. Truly hell on earth. I wonder how much due process those El Salvadorians received before landing in there forever. 💔
CrownPrincessAzula
If you can get a clearer image I'm sure news outlets (at least foreign ones) would be very interested.
whatsisname
It wouldn't surprise me at all if true, but honestly you can't really conclude anything from that image alone.
xenjamin
It's a river of blood...
chansuke
I mean, it probably is a death camp, but a picture of a stain in satellite imagery isn't exactly conclusive considering there's a million other things that stain could be.
zenoshogun
Huh, checking for alternate imagery I noted that the location is empty fields in Bing maps, claims to also be 2025 imagery (at least in the copyright date) like Google maps for the same area (13.534554, -88.805504).
thatsbadmmkay
Its there on google maps
zenoshogun
..... which is the video above, hence why I was looking for something different that might happen to have higher quality imagery.
thatsbadmmkay
Oh I read that wrong. My bad. I checked google Earth, and it has a more current image where the stains appear more clay colored.
soepie7
I don't know what we're looking at.
PoliticalWanderer
I hope it something else, but that looks like dried blood, or something else that's very unsanitary, perhaps.
pandaM3CH4
A pile of bodies, perhaps?
LongCommentChainAppreciator
This feels like the kind of conclusion people got from those old "Loch Ness Monster" pictures... It looks like a pile of wood/ cardboard to me
LifeIsADanceOfMinds
Well done, America
Tell us again that you are great...
nanomaus
Sadly great and terrible tend to be friends.
7brecke8
Calling The Hague.
Come out come out wherever you are. Don’t forget your passports, visas, and some warrants.
jammer909
Didn't say "good guys". Just said "great". Good and bad things can both be "great". We did a great number of horrible things. Bigly Bad Stuff. Much Terrible. Exuberant Evil.
mikeatike
We are great... at murder. :(
judithCat
Then lie and say you're united......
thedarklord187
It's not our fault that mango Mussolini is in charge I voted against that piece of shit but Elon rigged the game
Thankyouforthis
Bro it is ONLY our fault. Yes the game is rigged, but we're still here playing it.
BeaverOnFire
RyanH42
It absolutely is your fault. He didn't assume power through a coup; he was voted in. Twice.
jbuan7
I'm still waiting to be told when we were great in the first place
rkingesd365
We didn't choose this, but we aren't great either.
RyanH42
You chose this.
Thankyouforthis
Every one of us did choose this by not standing up. We're choosing it right now as we spend time on Imgur. Saying we didn't choose it is an excuse to make ourselves feel better about staying silent this long already.
HarryBeauner
Every person that voted for trump did, in fact, choose this.
Drew442
Don't forget the millions who rode the bench on election day. There was so much at stake here and they just fucked off.
Imademyselfsquirtle
Not America. Trump and Republicans.
RyanH42
So America...
LifeIsADanceOfMinds
If you think of Germany between, lets say, 1933 and 1945 -
Describe what you see. (Especially if you are Poland)
TacoPoweredHelicopter
That's america. To us outside of America and most likely to those inside it's irrelevant that some people did not vote for him. That's your leader, that's your country. When people get sent to death camps it does not make them feel better that you didn't vote for him.
Imademyselfsquirtle
Then all Germans are nazis.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
During wwII that is how they were treated yes.
When cities were firebombed the allies did not only target nazi houses.
Your country acts as a single unit, when you apply crazy tariffs and threaten to annex countries its irrelevant that some of your population says "it's not me doing those things".
UncleRat
So, the United States is guilty of not only violation of law, but crimes against humanity all because a felon and rapist was put in the highest office in the country.
Osiricus
That's about the gist of it.
Bobbutnotthatbob
Yes. The validity of the election has been questioned by Anonymous, our opposition party claims hopelessness while going on book tours, and I am terrified for my family. Tell the people you love not to come here. It will get worse before anything can change.
IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
Have you heard of the CIA? The US has been guilty of crimes against humanity for about as long as it has exisited.
Malinut
I dare say this cruel and unusual thing has been going on longer than that.
drochleprechaun
We were guilty of crimes against humanity long before that, but yeah shits getting worse because of him.
forelle
Not to be that guy, but does "Guantanamo Bay" ring a bell? This is just the imperial boomerang, meaning attrocities and ideas carried out abroad will come back to the homeland. Not to defend Trump, but if the US started to grow a conscious there would be a long list of things to go through before even getting to Trumps presidency.
Strategicgnomer
That's uhhhh.... That's just the latest crimes against humanity though. It's a step up maybe, but they've been at it since ww2
rainbowsandunicorns575
Yes.
Marikhen
Not to mention the potential 13th Amendment repercussions if CECOT does use prisoners for slave labor. While CECOT is outside US jurisdiction the act of "renditioning" prisoners to it can be construed as consigning them to slavery absent trial or conviction. Likewise the wording of the amendment strongly implies if not outright states that enslaving someone must be part of their sentence, "except as punishment," and cannot be automatically granted as part of their conviction.
SnakesInBowties
* "He won by a landslide and has a mandate."
UncleRat
They said the same thing about George Walker Bush and saw what he accomplished.
SnakesInBowties
SnakesInBowties
* he did not win by a landslide and does not have a mandate
thesunisgettingreallow
It would be such a shame if the president were arrested for his crimes while on a trip. I dare another country or international entity to do that
Megamerican
Is there a gofundme for this effort?
Markuspsyches
I would love for that to happen, but unfortunately, that could lead to a war with the US that at least they see as justified. Or they'll just replace him with Vance and forget about him.
LittleAzie
I mean, as a US citizen, I would argue that it would be the same as arresting a Nazi after WWII. But then again, it is arresting a nazi after WWII, because he is a white nationalist fascist dictator sending people to death camps, and we are chronologically after WWII.
Probablyimaginary
They each have a CIA-ish departments to facilitate neutrality through a well manipulated local group they can then throw under the bus in place of their nation.
LetsEatGrandpaCommasSaveLives
I don’t know…nobody did anything when that orange dumbfuck had toilet paper on his shoe. Maybe the US would just kinda… 🤷♂️
Bobbutnotthatbob
That wouldn’t be the worst outcome. Vance is unlikable, even among his supporters. He has none of the Trump charisma. Trump’s a nitwit but he knows how to work a mob. Vance is a yes man. Infighting would happen immediately without the tangerine palpatine
wolf96781
Even with Nazi and Queef they're barely hanging on. Cracks are already appearing. Not soon enough to help though
BoblovesMac31415101
Vance would definitely deepen the coup.
He is much more calculating than trump IMO.