aguyinabar
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Edit: in other countries they don't have strict health codes and people are fine. If you get the runs from someones food don't buy it again.
Apr 5, 2021 6:34 PM
aguyinabar
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Edit: in other countries they don't have strict health codes and people are fine. If you get the runs from someones food don't buy it again.
SnowMeowPlush
When I did the popcorn shill in Boy scouts, we had to ask to do it anywhere we set up.
WeAreOctopi
There are food handling laws and regulations as well to consider
Milolockert
Fun fact: people can fucking die if you cook/store certain foods incorrectly. This does not happen with cookies in a box.
AbhainnFuil
People still get the shits from licensed inspected food sellers, there would be deaths if anyone could sell anything without oversight.
Rheios
I find the Girl Scouts more annoying usually. Street vendors can do their thing so long as I can easily avoid interacting with them.
OrkieBleu
Girls scouts need permits, and they don't get any of the profits either.
urgotobekiddingme
i don't mind but we got safety codes permits. Be credentialed and accountable is all i would ask.
fartymarty42
My neighborhood has a tamale lady who walks around and sells her wares from a little rolling cart, and she means more to us than the mayor
noice26
Girl Scouts can’t set up anywhere. The store has to allow it and there is a lot of paperwork that you need to keep in case the cops show up.
noice26
I was a leader and we had to keep insurance and permits from our branch at every site. Most stores don’t even want us anymore due to COVID.
DrunkenMarineBiologist
The difference is GS cookies are made and sealed in a regulated and safety-inspected environment. I'm not saying we should demonize people
DrunkenMarineBiologist
who sell food like this, but there are reasons why places that sell food have to be licensed and inspected for safety/quality/etc
turketron3000
Please use proper Grammer and punctuation. Not being mean, but you'll be taken more seriously.
turketron3000
Grammar*
db17k
Danger dog-teros
type1eagle
Well the Girl Scouts don’t make the cookies themselves, and those stands with hand made foods needs health and hygiene inspections
Dagordae
And they need permits as well. They’re very touchy about that, the organization has no chill when it comes to their cookie sales.
TheobromineAddict
The work ethic is stronger with undocumented workers than with native born.
honeygam
As a Kevin can we not use Kevin as the male Karen. I suggest Ken as the sacrificial replacement.
atthediner
How about we just use "karen"
NicoretteJunkie
Living in New Mexico has taught me that the shadier the circumstances of your tamale purchase, the better that tamale will be.
NicoretteJunkie
Literally the best tamales I've ever eaten in my life came from an old man pushing a bicycle with a cooler in the super hood.
ATerribleArtist
Disagreed. Selling flowers on the side of a highway ramp is not a job. It's a danger to themselves and stopping motorists.
BatmanDeadpoolSlenderMan
It may not be a job but it's their only way to make income immediately when they have 0$ to invest.
thedrpriest
I live In SoCal, growing up I thought you could only buy tamales from the trunk of a car. Great value never got sick.
xxjabberwocky
danger dogs are basically my comfort food lol I've never gotten sick from any street food in LA either
SpiteLip
Also, Elote is heaven. Da me!
MrTay
There’s a reason they can sell pre packaged processed foods without a permit and I just listed them. I’d prefer your vendors but this 1/
MrTay
Isn’t a great comparison. Anything that’s cooked or raw ingredients takes a permit. You can sell Twinkie’s on the corner but not home baked
Dagordae
Important to note: Girl Scouts still require a permit. They don’t just set up any random place.
SerialChickenLover
You need a food handler’s license. I don’t want to get worms from your shit.
torquedsk
You’ll build up immunity after awhile, other people did.
minipancho94
you need much more than that. food handlers is only 20$. licensing/permits in some cities can cost $1000s and thats the real issue.
PballQhead
Up till last month NYC only had...5000 I think street vendor licenses, total. $10s of 1000s to get one, and not just in city fees...
zerozolo
Well I won't leave them alone. I want to buy an ice cream thank you.
MoistTowelettez
I think most of the time its missplaced anger. In my country we need permits for setting up a stand and get taxed for it and its very costly
minipancho94
yep the issue isnt the vendors, its the cities and the shit they pull on all vendors. lower the cost/barriers of entry and reduce taxes.
BrdCdn
It should be a strictly cost covering program. Streamline it and focus on food safety/inspections.
MoistTowelettez
You end up feeling like a fool when someone just sets up shop next to you and gets ignored by "tax investigators" or not fined.
AxelBeingCivil
Your upset is not unreasonable! Those permits have reasons for existing. They're also just manipulated by local lobbying more often than (1)
AxelBeingCivil
not to make the cost and effort of them exclusionary. (2)
xKaraKx
Sure, but permits are a good idea for food sales. Girlscout cookies have serial numbers on the box for tracking... someone selling street
MenloPart
I always wonder how many hours the girl scouts and parents put into raising money for the organization.
xKaraKx
Food is much harder to track down if someone gets sick (if they dont have a permit)
AxelBeingCivil
They *are* a good idea, but many cities charge prohibitive fees, in part to cover the costs of licensing, partly to keep out the (1)
AxelBeingCivil
competition. There has to be a compromise position that allows easier access to licenses *and* lets people feel safe buying vendor food. (2)
xKaraKx
Oh definitely
minipancho94
the issue isnt the regulations themselves, but the barriers to get them. cities can be downright hostile to vendors and licences are $1000+
xKaraKx
The prohibitive cost is something to fix, im just not in support of removing them entirely
afatrollofmyown
In Cali, you need to be a legit "business" with a permit, all which costs about 2000. You also have join the farmer market association
imgurdotcommie
People who sell tamales out of their trunks are pillars of the community, change my mind.
SpiteLip
I used to play soccer with a few Columbian and Uruguayan dudes, One guy's tio abuelo use to bring ceviche in his trunk. It was AMAZING!
VitaminJay
Can confirm. There was a guy who sold tamales outside my work. They were delicious.
KitTriforce
We have gone to various parking lots and have found the best of these. Have one we hit every year for strawberry tamales.
KillingTlme
Undercooked chicken can kill. There is a reason you need a permit.
afatrollofmyown
The worst food poisoning in my life came from raw cucumber in a salad traced back to a restaurant.
RealBernieSanders
A permit doesn't assure you cook properly. Everyone has been to multiple sit down restaurants who serve godawful food that makes people ill.
Azorlax
My wife used to work for a school where an abuela would make tamales every so often and sell them. We would buy enough to eat for a week.
Gatorjon
Street tacos taste best when the meat is cooked on a plancha that hasn't been cleaned since the Carter administration.
DonnyDoNothing
Damn you, Carter!
Catfoood
Braver than cops
Rogahar
There was a dude who kept setting up in the parking lot of the Walmart I used to work at. We always had to tell him to move along, but >
Rogahar
> there was always a suspiciously large number of employees eating tamales for lunch that same day. Never did figure out why *whistles*
ramshead91
I ain't buying no girl scout cookies door to door, but I'd by the duck out of some tamales.
MerkinSuit
Just buy some duck, what a fucking waste of corn!
Problemwoodchuck
Gas fumes & exhaust heat make the corn husks extra crunchy when you bite in
fartymarty42
You aren’t supposed to eat the husks
SumDuzzle
LOL, I was thinking the same thing
tellmeimcute
If I'm paying for it, I'm eating it.
vagimite
I hope you never pay for sex
Sasurau
You are no longer allowed around kiwi fruit. Just sayin'.
GerberLegalTeam
You must not eat the skin, huh?
potatocaat
No u >:(
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
As a Mexican, no thanks to those. If i don’t know how long that pork has been sitting in ur car, im not interested. Ive seen it backfire
blmtn1
2 puns in one word?! You win the internet today +1
Misterdruglicious
I've had idea you keep ingredients in cooler running on its own system. Truck to carry it around, set up cook spot, but you need permits
btomaioan
Kinda hard to front fire! I'm just saying!
Sasurau
Backfire for hours upon hours, while praying to please let it all end.
Dakomaro
Is food safety racist? GS sell prepackaged product. Roadside vendors need oversight same as anyone who sells food to the public.
EdwardSanders2808
I disagree. That's just over regulation. Kills the market.
minipancho94
The barriers for entry in many cities are discriminatory in my opinion. Make it cheaper/easier for these vendors to get licensed.
afatrollofmyown
Amen. Wanted to sell extra garden produce once at a stop light. Woulda cost me $2000 in permits to make maybe $40
MrTay
Yeah if those cookies were home baked they couldn’t sell them.
SarcasticComment
They'd need a different permit for street selling. They get vendor licenses like the outside the ballpark prepackaged peanut guy.
TheRicM
Racism can permeate everything. Those issues you listed can exist, and racism can also be a factor. They are not mutually exclusive
SarcasticComment
They also get permits when street selling. Their being at a grocery store is an agreement they make to access private property.
colt64
Yeah this is the big difference. I've definitely had dubious street meat. Still, I'd be willing to accept some risk for more of it.
afatrollofmyown
Once met some dreadlocked dudes at the farmers market trying to sell "free range pork/sustainalby raised!" for suspicious low cost.
afatrollofmyown
To this day, I suspect long pig.
LordOfTheDust
Yes, well, while YOU choose to expose yourself to dubious food, I hope you can understand why a local government wouldn't be too happy.
colt64
Definitely! I'm torn between my desire to eat mysterious trunk burritos and my desire to not upset the ghost of Upton Sinclair.
PballQhead
I mean, I think it's pretty clear that these operations aren't licensed so anyone who eats them is at their own risk, fine by me. I love >
PballQhead
them, but I've eaten meat-on-a-stick (and worse) in Cameroon so I'm not exactly the voice of reason lololol
BrdCdn
It's not that hard to get inspected and licensed in many places and shouldn't be. Can make awesome street food in a sanitary way.
AxelBeingCivil
So... A thing about racism and discrimination is that it's often packaged in extremely neutral language. When people think of Jim Crow (1)
MoreAshyThanLarry
Your argument boils down to "anything that costs money is racist."
AxelBeingCivil
That's a rabbit hole to go down but no. The point is unequal impact. It's not that it costs money; it's *how much* money. If you put a (1)
AxelBeingCivil
price tag on something that's so high that most members of a given group cannot access it, that creates a discriminatory racial impact. (2)
AxelBeingCivil
That's how redlining worked: In addition to just... Blatant racism, many banks simply raised the interest rates on money borrowed by (3)
AxelBeingCivil
laws, they probably don't realize that the worst offenders never mentioned race at all; they just had a disproportionate impact. There's (2)
AxelBeingCivil
important reasons for licensing - food safety is not a small deal! - but licenses are also often deliberately designed to limit access (3)
AxelBeingCivil
to smaller vendors, restricting competition. If you need thousands of dollars just to get a permit, how is some guy selling fruit at the (4)
AxelBeingCivil
side of the road *ever* going to make a profit or return? (5)
FreebooterFox
Don't demonize food safety licensing/permits. They're not the problem. Making those financially and logistically impossible to obtain is.
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FreebooterFox
That's the thing. I think if it's too impractical to go legit, that precludes accountability/traceability, which jeopardizes food safety.
ReiiamaKotsu
I think the same thing about immigration. Over 10 years living in the country or 10 years long application process just to get into the US?
minipancho94
said basically the same thing and somehow attracted all the racist and got downvoted. somehow they think thousands for a permit is just fine
venomlash
Exactly. Licensing is important; make it accessible so that street vendors can make a living and supply us all with delicious foods.
Starlatan
Yeah, I'm sick of franchise marts selling produce at ridiculous prices.
bigasspervypanda
I agree. Food safety licensing should be attainable to anyone, not just those with enough money up front. People gotta start somewhere.
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
Also girls scouts definitely get the permits they need. Way more easily than other vendors, and that's the problem.
Oteneo
It's a $100 license where I live. I sure wouldn't call the license police on anybody but I pay a good deal more to license my business.
minipancho94
your city does it right then. other places like new york have a pitiful 5k, and they can cost upwards of $1000 or more.
Oteneo
but yeah we need to be licensing the people handling our food. if anything the requirements should be more difficult. we have a local
Oteneo
news broadcast that investigates restaurants that get bad grades by the food inspectors. its terrifying and they never run out of material
drunkhistorian
We have a vibrant street vending culture in LA and I can't imagine a permitting process that wouldn't destroy it. Any examples?
FreebooterFox
Low cost and accessibility. It's not complicated...But in LA that's a moot point since they've already botched the job.
FreebooterFox
https://www.lataco.com/street-vending-los-angeles-report/
FreebooterFox
https://www.lataco.com/carts-street-food/
FreebooterFox
Also I've seen a few inadvertently stick their asses out into freeway traffic. I don't care if it's the Pope selling popsicles, that's scary
FreebooterFox
, and I don't want them to be hurt going to stupid lengths to do business. Do your thing safely and live to hustle another day.
YokkoKurama
Not to mention some of those selling fruit or bottled water come up to you at gas stations or traffic lights w/ serious intensity.
bigasspervypanda
You'd have that kinda hustle to if it was the only thing putting food on the table.
fanelian
In Mexico it's common that these types of businesses don't pay taxes (not really legal, but it's just how it is), let alone having permits.
FreebooterFox
I don't think anyone disputes that, but I'm not sure what your point might be.
fanelian
Just trying to point out why they might think it's alright not to get permits, it's cultural.
FreebooterFox
Ah, fear of authorities & lack of paperwork probably doesn't help. Some places don't even offer permits, so they're illegal no matter what.
ericbres1337
Although I agree with your sentiment ... in my area, GS can’t just “set up” without a permit or preapproval.
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
but gotta hate on the US and agneda ?
MenloPart
I always wonder how many hours the girl scouts and parents put into raising money for the organization.
seldomgone
A nonprofit organization as well.
grandestgrandeur
I hate to be a wet blanket but, aren't most of the GS's goods premade and in sterile packaging as well? IE They're up to health codes?
supermamabear
This is correct. The council makes arrangements with businesses and you need to get approval to set up somewhere other than a council booth
PurpleHippo664
Yeah, fir bsa we have to set up on private property with the approval of the owner.
laboon
also i imagine there might be different rules for boxed vs fresh/prepared food
Bmxrider70763
But they do go door to door.
ericbres1337
I wish ...
noice26
No not anymore
Cheechamarie
Yes covid stopped that shit
aguyinabar
If a GS were to do so. Which I have seen some do. They don't get harsh backlash for doing so. Yes I know it's children compared to adults.
terdytheterd
not really the "children" are doing so for the adults, its the same thing in the end a business
SaItyEuropean
commas. Use them
aguyinabar
Do I buy the cookies still yes.
RawSugarPackage
Former GS, it is Karen moms that set it up or Unit and Region leaders that don't train the cookie moms properly.
grantplant
If I'm not mistaken, don't GS normally use willing storefronts? If so I don't think that's the same as street vending
sadpenguin
You’re mistaken and that’s okay. Gs’s are ruthless savages that will set up anywhere anytime, encouraged by their mom named Karen.
certainlynotaserialkiller
Still, its a for profit business using child labour
mouse05
ericbres1337
We only see them at the grocery store, private property, with the stores written permission.
MPinky
Also Girl/Boy scouts are registered as charity organizations I believe so the licensing is different for them? Plus... you know...scouts...
BahamutBBob
My store used to have girl scouts selling cookies around this time if year. In The Before Times.
Nopearope
Back in B.C? Before Covid?
FierceAndAdorable
They also go door to door. The council offices might take care of permits. Would be interesting to check into. With Boy Scouts we had to 1/2
FierceAndAdorable
fill out forms to sell/fundraiser. 2/2
ThisIsMyRealAccount
Have you ever encountered someone demanding the GS show them their permit or documented permission to be there?
noice26
Yes! Especially when it’s a troop that’s not supposed to be there. Someone rats them out and then the cops come. Turf wars are real in GS
AceMonk
This speaks to the theme of the original post very well
Dagordae
Yes. Part of being part of an established organization is that the public generally assumes you aren’t breaking the law and the police tend
Dagordae
To only need to ask once before they mark it down.
midwestbest
I’ve totally seen lemonade stands and such get shut down it’s so wild cus who REALLY cares
mouse05
THE MAN GOTTA GET HIS CUT
BrdCdn
1/ The laws are meant to protect public health by making sure food vendors are inspected. It has to be written in a blanket fashion to make
BrdCdn
2/ sure it always applies. Clearly not intended to be applied against lemonade stands. Just cops/enforcement being dicks. They should be
BrdCdn
3/ to instructed not to bother with these types of things.
eadanke
Hold on, I'm going to go blackmail some illegal girlscouts for a couple of free boxes of tagalongs and a date with their mom.
ericbres1337
Not that I can think of? But we had a situation where a 9yo was demanded to provide her permit to sell lemonade from her stand this year.
MynameisRuben
I’ve seen the same thing and the police just come and buy more lemonade from them... instead of asking for any papers.
ericbres1337
(True story)
ThisIsMyRealAccount
Link to true story?
DeathScourge
https://www.upworthy.com/after-woman-asked-if-they-had-a-permit-7-year-olds-lemonade-stand-is-legal-and-business-is-booming
ericbres1337
Stand by ... this May take a minute
DeathScourge
https://kfor.com/news/california-girl-asked-to-get-permit-license-for-gourmet-lemonade-stand/
Selfieattacksquad
That corn is the bombest damn corn so good.
blunte
Elotes is better than other corn and I will die on this hill.
Selfieattacksquad
Superior the word you looking for is superior.
iQuitlmgurAndNeverLookedBack
Elotes Pan Dulce is also damn good! They turn me into a pig ! !
GreaterDog
My first introduction to cotija, so good
TheRicM
OH SNAP they have corn Girl Scout Cookies now? Whhaaaaattt
SpiteLip
Elote for life!
evangrumling5
That sounds like a good fundraiser!
SpiteLip
I will attend.
PballQhead
Esquites are so much better, fight me
ingridwebb88
Qué es?
PballQhead
Elotes, but cut off the cob and served in a bowl so you can just shovel it in with a spoon.
SpiteLip
I feel the mess and the handle one hand walk and eat is part of it.
PballQhead
I find the convenience of esquites nicer, plus I can eat ten times as much in a fifth of the time.
SpiteLip
I get you - the point - these are valuable services.