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Azazellosarmour
What’s good for the Shareholders is what will exist. Every decision is mode only to increase the value of the stock and the Executive’s bonuses. What is good for America means nothing.
Rovylern
The Supreme Court decided that corporations are people (see: Citizens United). I'll agree when we can put a corporation in jail and have it work for pennies an hour per the 13th Amendment. Until then, CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE!
N0S4A2
Subsound
It's a company town where the company rules. Everything is geared for profit over people.
RealPenguin
"The Kids on the Night Shift" is truly a horror movie in the making, I guess...
ArmedandOverclocked
Virginia is a purple state. Child labor laws have not been rolled back, but i wouldnt be surprised if our GOP Gov. has emboldened purdue and other companies
or0b0ur0s
I vote we make every count of every violation of a child labor statute worth a year's full-time pay at double minimum wage or the average wage for an adult in that job at that employer, whichever is higher. Pay it to that child's family.
cotabiQueen
Yey Republicans abolishing laws, because why the fuck not. Slavery is back on the menu boys
VolcanoHerder
And fun fact, it's legal for children of any age (or maybe just down to 5 or something) to work in agriculture. Likely based on the fact that many of those workers are brown and no one in positions of power care about them. I regularly see kids, like 5-12 years old, working in the fields in California. There's usually a baby or 2 in a car seat sitting under a tree nearby. It's depressing as fuck.
jethro007
Don't get your news on imgur, people... this was well publicized locally immediately following the incident... teachers and police had nothing to do with this information... completely irrelevant. doesn't change the basic facts, but the political spin is just a hit piece... the downvote button is below for the sensitive
ItsRandomInHere
I think people are upset about the child labour. I feel sorry for third world countries.
crossingdynasty
That’s what “letting kids work” means to them
BigVag
Kids.... They yearn for the mines
MyBigMouth
Jeez America, that orphan crushing machine is supposed to be metaphorical.
pareidoliaperson
It never was.
RtsWillH1Mself
Virginia has been reclassified as a blue state...
johnvilnis
No wonder Conservatives want more babies born. They need them to work.der
ReverseSyzygy
But the shareholders. Will no one think about the shareholders? /s
DorkJedi
I keep saying kill two birds with one stone. Start seizing businesses under asset forfeiture that hire undocumented workers. Watch how quick immigration AND asset forfeiture get reformed.
ItsRandomInHere
Who are you talking to? You can't vote your way out of this hellscape.
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
Vanderhugen
The solution to this problem is red states are removing the paperwork needed to hire minors so the employer can claim they didn't know the child who lost their limb was 14 and not 17
Tassyr
Yes.
WuProgress
Always has been.
Kreviathan
Just did inspections on a Perdue plant in Virginia, not this one. Still a shithole, and they knowingly employ undocumented immigrants. The US Govt knows about it and allows it as long as they get to raid the company-owned housing for a few every month. They allow it because our food infrastructure is fucked and chicken needs to be cheap.
uplock
Chicken needs to be cheap to maintain the current profit margins, that is all...
RottedOnion
Police aren't going to rat out anyone in power. They exist to preserve the owner class' position. Even if a good egg speaks up they'll just be ignored or discarded.
MrWizzzard
So that's a literal orphan-grinding machine?
LompHoofd
potentiallyunsafe
ThisIsYourLifeNow
At this point, it's a whole orphan-grinding industry
Mithi
Alwayshasbeen.gif
LompHoofd
backrideup9
And now I need to know if I ate any of this poor kid. Thanks.
ChiLLeCheeze
If not this poor kid, you've probably had pieces of people.
MadCat221
Every day Repugnants find new and creative ways to be cliche and mustache-twirlingly villainous. Three decades ago you'd be dismissed out of hand as being a crackpot if you claimed it'd be this way now.
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
Counterpoint: It actually was this way the entire time but without the internet and a 24 hour news cycle this information just never spread that far beyond localities.
NomadFeetWanderingToes
This. It was never about getting Johnny WASP a job bussing tables at the local restaurant a year or two earlier than usual. It's to exploit migrants and the poor for dirty, dangerous work like the above.
azazyel
This is why they lowered the working age in some states, so they can keep doing this.
Buffoonery
The GOP never does the right thing for the right reasons. Fuck the GOP. Nothing but vermin, every goddamn one of them.
YiminRong
There's so much to be outraged about here, one can only feel numb and powerless.
Kreviathan
It's sooooo much worse too, the government is aware of all this, the child labor, the undocumented immigrants, and they allow it.
Tassyr
That about sums up how I've felt since 2015, yes.
dingybasement350
2015? You must not be old enough to have lived through the Bush years.
Beleg7
It was somewhere around 2006 for me, but 2015 moved it to an entirely different category, and it's gotten worse since.
dingybasement350
That tracks.
fractalsphere
The business that took advantage of these poor desperate children will be fined, right? RIGHT?
unluckyandbored
HAHAHAHAHA
BranDohCalrissian
NightOwlRally
Yeah they'll pay the fine which actually goes to their buddy's "non-profit" charity which ends up paying it right back to them. Like a string around a quarter
AlexanderElcazorro
No, instead they'll reap the benefits of cheap/free labour, and business being a competitive stage, they'll either go up against others that do the same, or come out on top against those that didn't, this company and those like them being the only ones left due to process of elimination... which is how a lot of capitalism goes, and why it needs rules and regulations over it.
ilikepot8os
The fine will be less than what they made hiring a kid.
moreSaucePlease
Yeah, they’ll be fine. *re-reads message* Ahhhh, nonono
retailmemedrone
Of course they will. A mere percentage of a percent of what they make from doing it so they can keep doing it.
cheebody
Should roll out the small guillotine
DarkwingDuc
Yes, but it'll be a pittance compared to what hiring and training legal, adult laborers, and employing basic safety measures would cost. Basically, it's cheaper to pay the fines than to do the right thing.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
Who cares about a fine? A fine for the rich is just a price. Jail. Jail for everyone involved. No PC. GP. And put the details on their paperwork.
JT1984
Yea, like 10 dollars probably.
Tassyr
Well probably, but the fine won't even remotely touch the profit they made by employing kids, so they consider it cost of operation.
brassmule
I recall this happening in Iowa or something, and all the kids were hired by a sub-contractor, and they all had stolen identifications to appear as legal workers and of a correct age (like 14 year old kids who were 37 year old adults, though.) The sub-contractor was at fault but the processing company likely knew what was really going on. They're taking advantage of undocumented workers in the worst ways possible.
brassmule
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pssi-hired-same-child-twice-clean-slaughterhouses-document-rcna71633 - do need to read the full article to get to the park about falsified paperwork, used to make them appear of legal age on paper.
WoTLert
The business and its owners will be fine. That's almost the same, right?
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Of course they will. And those 10 bucks will serve as an eternal reminder to them. /s
BurnieCinders
5 rosaries and 5 hail marys?
MissSiesta
FINED? WHAT ABOUT CHARGED?
swephisto
Making sure Marcos is sufficiently compensated is just the first step in the right direction. But the resl goal must be to make sure this never happens again by changing the legislation.
georgedragonslayer
Yep. They sure will. It will come to about 0.0001% of their gross monthly revenue.
jerbern1
Yeah but it's going to be pocket change for the company. They will pay it and keep doing it.
ProphetOfPhil
There are no fines for rich companies, only the cost of doing business.
WinstonSmith101
Except, these cunts ensured corporations were classed as people a long time ago. And these “people” cased hurt through negligence.
Ergo. They’re fucked.
If you had a legal system that worked….
The8obman
If you're wondering what the cost of an arm is for one of these companies it's less than $1200 https://apnews.com/article/meat-grinder-teen-loses-hand-26138ae622d99c088e29f16eafbaf16f
ilikepot8os
Can't even get a prostetic arm for that.
counterintel
I doubt you could get a prosthetic finger for that.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
That's less then it cost to get my scalp stapled back together.
AregularolPlumbus
Thanks to MIOSHA having their penalties kept low by our previously Republican congress, they were only fined $2100 by MIOSHA for 2 serious violations grouped together…which honestly would only be about $5k if it were at the federal penalty scale. Small businesses get a lot of reductions to penalties unless they can prove the hazard was “willful” on the part of the employer, then it gets a 10x multiplier at least. Link below.
AregularolPlumbus
https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/establishment.inspection_detail?id=1446309.015
AregularolPlumbus
Forgot the other was $500, so $2600 total for 3 violations, 2 grouped.
MrFancyPanzer
Will more guns help?
autodidacticcortex
I mean look… that was kind of whattaboutism. It’s not good when they do it and neither should we. There’s plenty of stuff to be mad about in this story, right? No need to add noise here.
screwdriverone
No, but banning drag queens and abortions might. /s
ThisIsYourLifeNow
What about getting rid of that stupid "health care" thing. If there is no health care, this kid would have just died and everything could go on like nothing happened /s
salunatics
The only thing that will stop a mismanaged slaughterhouse with a gun is a well managed slaughterhouse with a gun.
wurth
"You shouldn't be asking that. You should instead ask, 'HOW will more guns help?'" - Republicans, probably.
cheebody
If you shoot all the kids in school, they can't lose arms, right? /S
aaronthe7
yus.. more guns.
FloodingWaters
By preventing abortions, they've guaranteed an endless supply of both replacements and vacancies.
CIGG
Have you tried thoughts and prayers?
CaffeineEnabler
Obviously
JustaLawAbidingCitizen
Clearly the answer is burning more fossil fuels.
rbudrick
Don't you mean gunpowder? In a totally joking fashion, officially?
Mithi
"To be used in an internal combustion engine, right?"
BlairT1
Shoot the machine!!
anarchoFeline
no oppressor has ever given up power willingly
TheGriffin
Get rid of fascists? Yes
burningcouchwv
Arms?
lewdev
Bear arms
TheInitiated
A Farewell To Them
Dranton12
Guillotines don’t run out of ammo.
JustaLawAbidingCitizen
Neither does the ol penis flattener
hotdoginathermos
Neither do these
LurkingAtTheOffice
Yeah, If you kill the kids while they are still in school you don't have to worry about them being exploited as cheap labor. For the foreign kids just attach meat grinders to the buoys.
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Yes.
pfshfine
What if we get a whole shitload of guns and just starting throwing them in to the moving parts of the machinery at this slaughterhouse? That could do... something?
JohnVessenmeyer
Yes
dheathd65
If the slaughterhouse was armed the kid would have never made it out alive.
Thecynicalspud
Arm the children! /s
Iwilltryandmakeajokeofit
I mean, technically yes
LateNightBunnyParty
Only one way to find out!
Anonymousmalcontent
drinkthederpentine
Don't see how that's related
ShouldIReallyGoWithMyOldUsernameFuckItCallMeAcromos
yes. source: am American
FlissFloss86Gaming
I doubt it, but banning drag shows might. Ah heck, let's do both
dingybasement350
Might as well also keep those dangerous books away.
kennelbreach
And lord in heaven, I hope no person born with a vagina wants to go by Mister, because that's RIGHT out
dingybasement350
I, for one, am angery and terrified that people slightly different than I am exist and are just minding their own business!
NomDeImguerre
To keep people from talking? Sure, if that's what you want.
HappyClaymore
If there's no more kids, no more child labor
1001001SOS
You can still work he still has his other arm /s
SkeksiLady
That and also protecting the unborn because they have the right to barely grow a bit before thrown into labor jobs
Thatguywhodidthething
I have a feeling giving them to the kids would solve two problems at once.
haveanupvotegif
IdiotSavantTinker
CorGoBrrrr
Ha! Like the feds give a shit about gun control!
IdiotSavantTinker
They will when the "wrong" people get armed.
rbudrick
Thanks, IdiotSavantTinker.
bardman135
I'm sure they would. Also, that's a strange abbreviation for "GUillotiNeS"
cambriago13
Yes, but maybe not the way you're thinking.
LooseyGooseyBrett
Line up all management and supervisors?
Noahbalboa82
CaldariBob
Only if they get used on management. In Minecraft, if course.
kingkongkeom
Mine the crafts, got it.
JoshuaHarazin
The children yearn for the mines.
Clockworkdancerobot
Surprise! Companies violate the laws and factor in the costs of being caught. Child labor laws need updating and fines linked to revenue.
TheRockDude
child labor laws need to include those in charge of such companies be thrown into the machinery
RootMeanSqr
Screw the fines. Put CEO and upper management in jail and take their exploited assets.
Tumescentpie
This is the type of incident that should shut the company down for good.
tsterling00
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_dissolution
ThailandExpress
they are updating them, they are making it legal
SillyZombie
Except theyre going the other way
jayman0123
% based fines. starting at 5% of yearly revenue, then scaling upward for each time after.
PacManDreaming
Fines? Jail time needs to be linked to executive officers.
eviljesus84
Yeah, child labor laws need to be updated to: Child labor? - No.
lospaturno
fines? start jailing people as we do here, you'll see safety skyrocketing.
miked854
Good news, they're updating child labor laws. Bad news, it's red states lowering the age kids can start working.
SeeJenJen
“The children yearn for the mines!” /s
ilikepot8os
I mean with the rising cost of housing, healthcare and food you need three incomes... So it's either a thruple or send the children off to the mines. I guess you could sell organs or something instead.../s
Marsmallowmancer
If the penalty is a fine, it's a law for poor people. Otherwise it's just an operating expense.
cadesama
No more fines. Criminal charges and RICO for CEOs
AttilaTheHungover
Law breaking of this severity requires imprisonment for the managers who allowed it to happen.
putcleverusernamehere
RtsWillH1Mself
Ground level all the way up. No reason anybody above the floor manager wouldn't know about this.
Katusa
The owners should be held responsible. That should mean CEOs and Shareholders.
RandAIFlagg
imagine if companies were as keen on human stewardship as they are on data stewardship. It isn't even that much but I've seen people fired for bad data.
hipifreq
This is the way. Corporate lawlessness will only end when we remove the veil that protects the decision-makers
NotACanadian
Is it too much to bring back crucifixion?
Crimx42
Imprisonment of CEOs. No bail.
AndyTheAbsurd
Plus mandatory minimum sentences.
Katusa
Share holders too. They are driving the behaviors we see by requiring non-sustainable growth of all business.
spittytrinkles
There is a myth that Company Directors are required BY LAW to maximize Shareholders profits. Not true. A judge once said, after the ruling, in that post hearing ramble, “… a business corporation is organized and carried on primarily for the profit of the stockholders. The powers of the directors are to be employed for that end”. Dodge vs. Ford. Michigan Supreme Court (Great story, very much a Tesla vs. Edison vibe.)
Katusa
Doesn't your quote support the myth? Shareholders=stockholders.
SaintSleepyWeasel
FINES LINKED TO REVENUE, for the people in the back.
Totallynotarealbear
nah, you hire children or illegal immigrants, you dont get to be a company anymore. all a huge fine will do is cause them to cut corners, fire workers, and raise prices to cover it.
ThisIsYourLifeNow
This.
Puvaradivi
In most cases the costs of fines to these companies are less than the total profits they make breaking the laws. Fines are joke meant to placate victims.
aloharamada
Not just that, but the people in charge should actually be held liable and go to jail, not just lose one company, get to go home and potentially do it again.
echoawoo
"Updating" is an interesting choice of phrase considering this is all because of rollbacks of child labor laws. They certainly needed updating before, they need correcting, now.
Clockworkdancerobot
I said updating because previous fines seemed tiny in comparison. Trying to find which one it was, but some news sites speak of fines in $1.5m for the meat plant sanitation company, and ~$200k for McDonalds Franchises. Thought one was a lot smaller. the sanitation plant was $15k per child.
echoawoo
The fine for child labor violations is the greater of $1000/hr or $10000/day, per violation. For a 1.5m fine, we can safely assume that there have been at least 150 labor-days worth of violations
ilovebigmutts
the teachers kept quiet due to the cops, but whatever...
arfysdad
After Trump was elected, ICE started showing up at Denver schools attempting to check minority kids for their IDs, in hopes of getting at their parents. Teachers, and then admin, protected kids and wouldn't let ICE at them. The police are NOT the friends of minorities. You call the cops and you will be deported.
duhqueenmoki
In my experience as a teacher, we also sometimes keep quiet because we know the child is doing literally anything they can to help their family back home, risking EVERYTHING. If we say something, it doesn't help the kid. It's such a shit situation, I don't know how I'm supposed to help.
barbarian818
Show up at the next labor action at the plant. Talk to your union leaders about how your union might help the plant workers organize. Make anonymous tips to the state labor board
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
This should get pinned at the top of this post. Teachers usually keep quiet to try and protect kids and the first thing in this title is MIGRANT. Teachers aren't trying to get kids in trouble with the law or deported or whatever.
potentiallyunsafe
Yea they didn't need to mention teachers keeping quiet. Cops absolutely, if they wanted to add another profession in there how about lawyers or local OSHA inspectors
kittypoopappledrink
There are 1,850 inspectors in the entire United States for 8,000,000 worksites. If they each visit 1 everyday it would take 12 years to go to all of them.
potentiallyunsafe
I'm not saying they are the first line of defense but they are in industrial meat packing plants more frequently than teachers are
Groose
Nowadays when you hear about cops keeping quiet you don't bat and eye so I feel they mentions teachers because that will grab people's attention and they will get more clicks
Gray808
Nah. If teachers knew about it and didn’t speak up, they are shitty too.
potentiallyunsafe
Morally, if anyone knew about it they should have spoken up about it but it's not a teacher's job to stop these kinds of things. It's police, lawyers and the like. I doubt kids being subjected to these conditions are able to go to school.
duhqueenmoki
I'm a teacher and I wouldn't speak up because if I did, that kid might be deported, and everything he risked his life for would be worthless. That kid is risking EVERYTHING to be here working so he can send money back to his family at home in another country. I do not support child labor. But telling authorities in this situation would not help the kid. I have no idea what I'm supposed to do in this situation.
duhqueenmoki
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/magazine/child-labor-dangerous-jobs.html
CliffWestern
Everyone who knew and kept silent is guilty
Zahnradfee
If the cops are on the side of the company - whom are the teachers supposed to speak up to?
Gray808
Anyone? Not-local cops? Feds? Local news? Regional news? National news? Literally any answer than “no one”?
duhqueenmoki
I dunno, I feel like they were keeping it a secret so the kid could keep sending money to his family in his home country without getting caught. This happens more often than we realize, in every state. If we say something, he might get deported. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/magazine/child-labor-dangerous-jobs.html
vegivamp
Ideally, the fourth power - the media. Unfortunately the number of media organizations that still do decent investigative journalism is minimal, let alone the organizations that aren't simply owned by the same wealthy scum that owns the exploitative businesses.
InfOracle
The media
shitheadtookmyname
Let's just speak out against the ppl who can murder with impunity