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Hybris51129
The oldest and most lethal of all weapons is the human mind.
Daddygeek84
JhericFury
I mean it's nice to see protestors defusing tear gas with traffic cones and water bottles, but this will probably end only one way
pangyre
Farmers can beat a first world army. They have to be willing to die in numbers to do so.
Bitfiler
https://youtu.be/sIhGCRIQnCA All you need to build firearms is access to any well stocked general hardware store. Ammo is more complicated.
F234K
The rest of the world looking on knowing full well to intervene is to start WW3
UndulatingTerrain
Tanks?
UndulatingTerrain
Ur welcome.
Catsloveart
My mom made Molotov cocktails in college in Puerto Rico in the sixties.
SgtThunderfistMD
Frenchbreadpizza
From the footage I've seen they arent using tanks. More akin to armoured personnel carriers.
Snazzyfurn
Watch Age of Tanks on netflix, covers this premise quite well
Ttoften
Reddit seem eerie quiet on HKG pics and updates today... #hopesandprayers
hollower
Next time you take the flaming arrows and ill use the tank.
Magus25
As long as a large enough portion of the people stand together there is no stopping them. Ask any French ruler who pissed off the populous.
JosteinCena
Or the previous rulers of every Chinese dynasti for that matter.
Velv3tThunder
How can a man die better, than facing fearful odds?
pip1
Gun control could prevent domestic terorism tho *sips tea*
wastedpoptart
But can also set you up fairly defenseless like the HK protestors. If they win their cause I will absolutely rethink my stance on gun cntrl.
SharkyMcSnarkface
Against the Chinese military? Armed citizens won’t do jack.
Isaislol
In fact, armed citizens would make the military more likely to get involved due to tension and police getting shot. It'd be a massacre.
BillMurray144
Sounds like you're saying Guns are irrelevant in resisting tyrannical government? Maybe the second amendment needs scrapping?
wastedpoptart
So far they aren’t winning any rights. Your point is really only relevant if China backs off.
Rasdwatrium
That's not the aim of gun control..
AslanTheGod
Isn't that why we have "rights to arm"?!
GrandProtectorDark
Ya think china wouldn't have already steamrolled them if tjey had the excuse of an armed uprising?
AslanTheGod
HK is in trouble, and i hope we will stand by them!
leonleonardo
You don't fight as guerilla by throwing firebombs at a tank. You fight as a guerilla by taking the tank commander's family hostage.
BadFatherFigure
Oh boy wait till you hear about Tiananmen square
Qmanchu62
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TheMicktrex
Take away the internet and watch what happens. When we don’t have that to distract us we’ll burn down cities.
NotWrongJustNotRight
With a little more prep, time and a few dozen 3D printers this whole thing could have gone wayyyyy diff way sooner.
brettvwey
Orrrrrrr have the right to bear arms? No we can’t say that because y’all are the same people who say what are guns gonna do against tanks.
Drath101
Yeah, China could've rolled in the army and crushed the protestors by now if they'd started making guns, way different
Curii
Anyone with a few key pieces of info can knock up some very unpleasant items just with stuff lying about the house. No prep time needed.
repurposedschleem
3d printed guns are so fragile they'll only fire once, and it's just as likely to blow up as it is to fire the bullet
erikna
Depends, lf you make ammo where the case goes up into the barrel and the bullet is seated completely in the case they are quite durable
erikna
But they are smoothbore by necessity
GraeYstaG237
There needs to be another meme. The goverment enjoying giving americans guns and watching them kill themselves
newsguycraigevans
Americans honestly believe more guns will solve the gun violence problem.
bhikku
Shit why am I buying them when they're being given out for free!?!
StewedTomaters
This is retarded. Everyone knows they could crush it in an instant.
Sulla20118625
Which makes their efforts all the more courageous
Tigersterne
Hong Kong is a golden goose. China can't crack down too hard too fast, it's too important for both China and the rest of the world. Assholes
MagiicHat
Only because the USA allows China to sell goods via HK to circumvent trade agreements.
DeadpoolWithANokia
And look how well that worked out for the Nazis
StewedTomaters
Look at how well it worked for Franco.
VodkaReindeer
10 years of absolute power? Pretty well.
DeadpoolWithANokia
Hitler commited suicide. Most of his followers excommunicated or killed themselves. Most of the world tried to kill them. Yea. So powerful.
KartFnocker
the comparison should be to 1933-1939 nazi germany, because China is not going to start WW3. And that period was great for the Nazis
VodkaReindeer
1933-1943. Very successful politically.
DeadpoolWithANokia
To who? Their own people they brainwashed? Not very long of a time
kikinport
10 years of absolute power isn't that long
VodkaReindeer
Better that what Trump has been able to do so far.
DeadpoolWithANokia
Considering most of the time their evil actions were done in secret. It wasnt long after the world found out that their reign fell.
ErectileFunction
They could easily destroy those protesters with or without guns. They're holding back.
ThrownClub
So are we.
Jcuabear
The world is watching
takethatyourogue
Because HK is worthless if everything gets burnt to the ground and everyone is arrested.
nellasgoboom
I mean yes bc tyrants the slaughter their populace will soon no longer have a populace to rule.
WoTLert
For now.
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
Yeah, and they'd better keep holding back.
getmo
So, it's genocide then...
Icantgoogle
They are not being nice, they are walking the tight rope of what they think is the most politically convenient for them
StarkRG
What they mean is that this is as nice as China gets, this is China thinking they're being nice.
DarkAngelWarlord
if the Protesters wanted to, they could start killing the cops mount heads on a Stick right next to the Rich corrupt Govt
Zilthuras
Because there has to be enough plausible diniability for the ones that wish to turn a blind eye to able to or be forced to take a stance.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
The problem with that is China would then have more protesters.
magicrhombus
China still cares (a little) about appearances. As soon as they don't, holy fuck dude, it won't be pretty.
Cthulhukitten
because business
mardukkur
China is rounding up millions of citizens in the west into reeducation camps. By their standards they're handling HK with kid gloves.
magicrhombus
Appearances matter there too, the leaked docs reveal a very concerted effort to keep other areas of China from finding out about it.
SmokyDoggg
SmokyDoggg
Listen, cletus, if the government wants to take your rights they'll take 'em no matter how many guns you sleep with.
SmokyDoggg
They'll shoot you dead then report on the evening news that it was in self defense and that you attacked the authorities. Don't kid yourself
SmokyDoggg
I'm all for gun ownership, for recreation, to fend off burglars; good. But stop using the stupid excuse that they'll protect u from the Gov.
shaftofbread
They need that stupid excuse 'cos it's the closest of all the stupid excuses to what the constitution *actually* says. (it's also the >
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
A government aught to be afraid of its people, and not the other way around. 1 gun in 1 hand? What about 1000 guns in 1000 hands?
TheGreatBlueWaffle
I mean, it worked for the Vietnamese, and the Middle East, and 1776, and the Russian Revolution, and the French Revolutions...
Stephenhawkingschoolofdance4
Idk man... We've been fighting dudes in flip-flops with 50 year old rifles for 20 years now. Guns would sure make it a much fairer fight.
LoudBirb
How are those dudes in flip flops doing? Winning? Or dying meaninglessly?
Tigersterne
They're winning.
AWildJohnCenaAppears
If you toss a frog into boiling water it will hop out. If you toss a frog in water and slowly turn the heat up it will boil to death.
AWildJohnCenaAppears
China isn't holding back for the sake of the protestors but so as not to create a knee jerk reaction from the rest of the world.
freshthrowaway1138
Actually that's not true, frogs jump out when the heat gets too high.
AWildJohnCenaAppears
Thanks for the education! As I'm not into boiling frogs I think I'll take your word on that rather than testing for truth.
freshthrowaway1138
lol, I'm not a psycho, it's science! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#Experiments_and_analysis
AWildJohnCenaAppears
Oh no, I understood what you were saying Haha. Sorry if that came off like I was insinuating you were. Just making jokes.
TheActualDonKnotts
Only because the world is watching. If this happened in mainland China, there would be a shitload of dead people and no protests.
TheDonutMan
And no news coverage and we'd all be ignorant to it. Kinda like how theyre harvesting organs from minorities...
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
You can't go FULL massacre without civil war, but a Chinese civil war would be something to behold with 2 billion people.
CoBr2
You can when you control the information. Tell everyone outside of city there was a plague and it’s quarantined. Kill em all. “Plague won”
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
"Man this plague sure explodes and screams a lot!"
CoBr2
Anyone who gets in hearing range catches plague. Very tragic.
someguy7734206
"Sounds like something that someone with the plague would say."
Wor3q
China wants do deescalate the conflict, it's better for them. This is why they didn't massacre the protesters ->
SergeantExplosion
Thought the second comment was just going to be "this time"
echonite
Nah, I think they are hoping the protesters snap and turn violent so they can justify wiping them out. Otherwise it would be an /-
echonite
International problem if the just started shooting before then.
Wor3q
But why shoot them at all? They're not able to block the laws they're protesting against, so China can just ignore them.
echonite
Because they are publicly challenging the government, and the Chinese government doesn't like that. It hurts their international image.
mcmachack
The People outnumber the Gov't, if the Gov't lets loose, the people might unify and retaliate.
CptBronson
Except mainland china is mostly onboard with this. Hong Kong was always theirs in their eyes.
ekzeko
For the hong kong gov proper yes. I'm certain the Chinese gov has more public servants than hong-kong has citizens.
Wor3q
After they used fucking trebuchet on the police...
Tyroki
Catapults. They never upgraded to trebs.
OneTimeAnOwlTriedToDivebombMe
Mangonel is way better for mobs of infantry, trebuchet is more for buildings
Tyroki
Trebs might have helped more for dealing with vehicles. Gotta get too close for fire. Then use the mangonel for the infantry.
StarkRG
They are doing an incredibly bad job at it, though. They don't want another Tiananmen Square, but they don't know how else to do things.
drainbamage1011
They're playing the long game. They can afford to. Arrest and indefinitely detain the most fervent protesters, and wear the rest down...
drainbamage1011
...by attrition. CCP knows they don't have the benefit of the Great Firewall in HK, and an all-out massacre would be broadcast to the world.
StarkRG
That's kinda my point, they don't actually know how to handle this kind of situation in any way except violence and force. Not deescalation.
27yoUGLYvirgin
They know. Doing nothing will do the job. It'll fizzle out. What are HK people going to do? They can't do anything. It's sad.
StarkRG
I don't think it will, and they're certainly not doing nothing. They're arresting and "dissappearing" people.
27yoUGLYvirgin
Compared to what they could do it's nothing.
KartFnocker
Yea this is China playing nice, they could level everything if they wanted to
SjundeSjukaSjomannenSjunne
In a heartbeat
SuprisedPikachuFace
Yea don’t trust China, China is asshole
Youhavinagiraffe
They're not "playing nice". They're worried about the economic and political implications of violently crushing a popular protest.
CrypticalEnvelopement
Even though you're right, it's hard to call their actions in HK "playing nice"
nickwinters
Compared to going Tienamen on them, this is playing nice.
fthisimout
I think it’s more “showing restraint”
GhostOTM
Go too too overboard and they either hurt their own bottom line or the world gets involved. It's a game of chicken.
jmpaten
“The world gets involved” That’s some mighty fine idealism you have there. It would be a shame if someone... reality’d it.
ButtblasterMcAssmaster
It's not about the world getting involved, it's about Taiwan. They will want a smooth integration and are basically practicing for it.
KartFnocker
I agree. Though IMO the corollary to that is if the protesters were killing police/troops, the world would more likely forgive China
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BrokeMyFunnyBone
Which is a pity, because China is wantonly killing protestors with seemingly no condemnation from the world.
KartFnocker
I fully agree, but they're hiding it somewhat. A full fledged Siege of Sarajevo type fight would be different
DukeSamuelVimes
This is utterly terrible, not only is it a thinly disguised argument against gun control, a terrible one at that. It's also completely lost
brettvwey
So you deny that they are using medieval weapons to defend themselves against a tyrannical government because it doesn’t further your 1/2
brettvwey
political ideology. You are doing exactly what you accuse the OP of doing and you don’t know their politics youre just assuming.
DukeSamuelVimes
This post implies it's actually effective, which it isn't, and that's not my opinion.
brettvwey
Where are they advocating gun rights?? They said that no amount of control can save the government from the people. Literally implying the
brettvwey
exact opposite of what you’re saying. Governments have always been the most prolific murders of people. I’d say the OP is just saying fight
DukeSamuelVimes
in context with made up bullshit. The only ones who are currently losing in HK are the citisens who are being decimated and ruined. The
DukeSamuelVimes
whole truth is that no matter how much they protest or try to resist they are losing to the government because civil protest in a time of
DukeSamuelVimes
advanced technology becomes meaningless in the face of a dictator. The state completely overpowers the people and that's why they are
DukeSamuelVimes
helpless as even school children are being taken of the street, raped and murdered. Using that to fuel your own political agenda or fantasy
DukeSamuelVimes
is nothing short of atrocious.
taytothief
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t think the youth of America has it in them to put their lives and safety at state for anything.
WendyWAC
Sad, but true.
SlobberToilet
This is always what America’s enemies think “decadent, weak willed”, never works out for them.
whiskeyvillage
This is why it is important for our youth to travel. To see just how good they (we all) have it. And how easily it can be taken away.
anengineerandacat
I totally think they do, it's just protest what?
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
The young and the old are all just people. People are the same. We all have the potential for good.
BallSoupHumidity
*at stake
Nuclearun
Yall gonna make me say it? Alright, I'll say it: Ok Boomer.
luke1815
I disagree, I just think that young people are more afraid to WASTE their life. Earlier generations had more obvious enemy’s and goals.
SAUSAGEmcmuffinwithHASHbrowns
It's almost like life is way in America and it's inhabitants have the right to peaceably assemble... So they don't have to die for a cause.
SAUSAGEmcmuffinwithHASHbrowns
Way better *
prufock
The right mix of desperation, fervor, oppression, & mob mentality will create extraordinary behaviour. Lucky the west hasn't had to lately.
infernalcombustionengine
You'd think, but we're being robbed blind. The US is getting it harder than us brits are but nobodies doing anything so on it goes.
prufock
Canadians would be out in the streets right now if the government tried to ban Tim Hortons.
BurrRankShanks
I think you GROSSLY underestimate how many of us grew up with the labor movement. We are literally ready to die over fair pay.
AngryDrBanner
Ban fortnite, and watch the revolution unfold
OneOneNiner
You'd be surprised what your capable of doing when your back is to the wall. Do or die, most people choose to live.
TheBeardlyOne
I can't believe how easily everyone forgets about the number of fighting age veterans with combat experience that live in this country.
SwiftyRich
Raise tax on mountain dew
mardukkur
WTF do you think BLM was? OWS?
NoWonderImStillAwake
I think the big difference is that it is such a drastic change. In America our freedoms tend to be slowly chipped away so it's harder to
NoWonderImStillAwake
draw a red line as you go. In Hong Kong, they saw potentially all of their freedom vanishing and being consumed by China. It's different..
DuelingBrothers
Depends on what's being fought for. We don't exactly have a reason for fighting like they do.
SjundeSjukaSjomannenSjunne
No?
houseofbrick
I have absolutely nothing to live for. If those psycho pseudo-Christians like AG Barr try to crack down, I'm laying down my life for freedom
100KushUps
Can't speak for Americans, but I'm Scandinavian, 25, and I don't think I'd be able to do it either, and feel the same for most people I know
poledancingpanda2
You see enough reasons why to stand up, and it will feel like there is not even a choice to be made.
thegreatgatsB
What about Jagtvej-69 Ungdomshuset? They held out, confronted the police. I was gassed while this was going on. YOU'RE VIKINGS! >
thegreatgatsB
Or at least you were at one time. That has to still be in you.
100KushUps
I get your point, but it's not nearly the same. I had friends and family caught in it. At no point did I fear for their safety.
thegreatgatsB
But at least the kids got rowdy. That shows there is a small spark left. And you are right, not the same thing.
th3j3ster
It's extremely dangerous to underestimate people based on our perceptions of them. History is proof of this.
Doumdidoum
Yup. The Nazis had a nasty surprise when Americans didn't turn out to be the degenerates weaklings they assumed they were.
tmitna
*Russians. The Nazi's discounted the Russians.
Doumdidoum
Not mutually exclusive. Hitler declared war to America after Pearl Harbor. He ranked the Americans lower than Italia.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Burgers vs. Sauerkraut, superior nutrition.
SirReginaldVonBartlesbeid
We voted proof of plenty of youths standing up for themselves too. Most end up in school shootings, but still. Point is there.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Brooo, let's just open a bunch of schools in Hong Kong right next to the police stations!
GrandProtectorDark
Tbh,merica is also the size if europe as a whole,has a continents worth of production and none of the fighting ever actually happening there
pktfratboy
Just the way we like it.
Askingforafriend37
Hey now, we suffered one attack in Hawaii in WWII, give us some credit!
d1d1t4t3hlulz0hl4wdy
we fight ourselves to practice fighting others... while fighting others, while fighting ourselves.
Euronyme
I assume you mean the Japanese.
Doumdidoum
No. According to released japanese briefing, they were not confident, they were desperate. They hoped that they could negociate a exchange.
Euronyme
Depends who you ask. The strategy that they went with explicitly assumed that Americans wouldn’t tolerate high casualties.
Euronyme
The germans on the other hand were already completely fucked on the eastern front when the US invaded, so they had true desperation.