Jorrdann
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#ww2 #history #Japanese #Dutch
Mar 21, 2018 10:28 PM
Jorrdann
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#ww2 #history #Japanese #Dutch
EnergyFiend
My ballet teacher's whole family was killed in a Japanese camp. She always got pissed about reparations for our US camps. It's all awful.
JustAnotherHuman3
My grandpa was one of those, my grandma says that he never went back to his old self. Tried to talk about it to them, they didn’t want to.
wubadubbalubdub
Thanks for sharing history
RadiDaddy
John Malkovich and Anthony Bourdain?
craycray606
Guy on the right looks like the cigarette smoking man in X-Files
13Alpha
My grandfather lost his leg 12 inches below the hip. It is crazy to think he may have been one of the lucky ones.
Allhailmidgetgoat
Fuck the Japanese in that time, they were truly inhuman fucks.
talosian
It's Bing Crosby and Morley Safer!
kesaci
I just spent two hours reading up on unit 731. Wow!
masterfinch1
is there an "after" picture of them? for my mental sanity?
PossiblyUnrelated
I just got done reading about these in APUSH, perfect timing.
raider111111
Exactly. The American camps were nothing compared to the Japanese camps. War is hell.
Rexli78
What's the difference between the Germans and the Japanese? The Germans were sorry and didn't white wash their history.
GeorgieThumbs
Japan paid for this though later in when Godzilla got revenge.
petergoezinya00
Hampton sides wrote a harrowing book called Ghost soldiers. on the Jap pow camps. The atrocities those men went through is unreal.
BoyBandsRTrash
My mum was imprisoned there in the war. https://www.tracesofwar.com/sights/4678/The-Dutch-East-Indies-Memorial.htm
GrandpaRick
But Americans put some Japanese in humane compounds...so it's basically the same. Except for torture starvation and cruelty...oops nevermind
yzark01
"the japanese were worse so we shouldnt care about the innocent japanese americans who got put into concentration camps!"
CyborgScribe
Not humane since imprisoning your own citizens for their race isn't humane. Still not nearly as bad as what the Japanese did tho.
aadiapr86
Russia ?
themuttonisniceandlean
My cousin was in the Bataan Death March. He never spoke about it and died young.
loveLiJo
My grandfather says the Japanese are one of the most cruel people he has ever encountered he says there quite but use deadly force
MattFan5
Certain aspects of their culture remind me of primal animals
mrsmadhatter122916
Me too. It's kind of sickening
NegentropyX
Look up “Rape of Nanking.”
unitedcba
insane :(
TheFastpaws
Japan tried to put Hitler to shame in that war with inhuman experiments. Yet some how history barely chronicles it.
Doggocatz
They do have really Dutch faces. You can always recognise them everywhere
joejubee
Read this: https://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Highlander-Incredible-Survival-Pacific/dp/1616084073
joejubee
Taken prisoner, forced to build bridge over river Kwai, sunk on prisoner ship, rescued at sea by Japan, taken to prisoner camp- at Nagasaki.
DinoHunter56
To this day people give me a funny look when I tell them Hiroshima and Nagasaki was good PR for the Japanese.
DinoHunter56
Had we not bombed them we would have a lower opinion of them than the Nazis, and we wouldn't have a bunch of weebs
mrsmadhatter122916
Agreed
danteslion
Anthony Bourdain’s looking rough!
iLynux
CTRL-F "anthony" yep someone already thought it.
LarvaLamp
My first thought!
vapology
Nice to meet like minded folks.
danteslion
In all fairness I truly hated making this joke. But he looks so much like him.
bobcarr666
Right-wing revisionists in Japan see this kind of picture as provocative. They still deny their conduct in war. What up with that?
Proxymanity
It takes stuff like this to remind the world that the Japanese were just as bad as the Germans during WWII.
arsph25
I would say they were much worse.
ARandomHelljumper
Worse. Mengele could never have compared to the extent of Japanese programs, and the civilian death toll was vastly higher in Asia in WW2.
Munnin41
My grandpa was in one of those. I asked him about what happened in the camps once. Only time i ever saw him angry. Mustve been horrible
yusenye
Grandpa was an intelligence officer rescuing foreign volunteer fighters in China, because the jap were so cruel to them
Assfullofbread
He was probably hungry
mrfloris
Gee. You think?
HalfIagoHalfFuManchuAllBastard
Think that's part of the generation, my grandparents, neither were soldiers were in the work camps, always changed the subject if asked
IhaveTP4Bunghole
I think they were black ops.
HalfIagoHalfFuManchuAllBastard
Well my grandfather was a shoemaker, maybe he actually made shoes like in Get Smart, possibly explain why he was such a fan if it.
ThefluteCaptainPicardplayedfirstinhisimaginationtheninreallife
My grandpa was wildly racist against the japanese, but he was a POW in WW2, so we'll give that to him.
Pseudosim
"Ah yes, 'honoroable warriors' the Japanese, we have dismissed that claim."
GrandpaRick
Yea but Americans put some Japanese in humane compounds...so it's basically the same. Except for torture starvation and cruelty.
ITalkAboutGoats
Wow, so it's totally okay, as long as someone does something worse.
SomeKidFromAustralia
History is written by the victors
cassaroll
Americans put Americans/legal immigrants of Japanese descent in internment camps. Doesn’t make their POW camps ok, but it’s apples & oranges
MordorGate
Off topic but, to quote Lil Dicky, “Bitch, why can’t fruit be compared?”
ObliqueRay
If you want to read first person stories from that I highly recommend Studs Terkel - The Good War - An Oral History Of World War Two
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heyguysimtom
Read that book in college. So good.
blwhiten
Bump
ObliqueRay
The whole book is just stories told by people that lived through it, soldiers, civilians, POWs, medical staff, etc
DoctorWhoots420
3 years later. I find this comment. I'm not the greatest at reading because it's hard to stay focused. But this book I'd be interested in.
MatixNJ
Upvoting + dot.
Pouvatsu
Read Unbroken by Laura Hillenbrand. Biography of Louis Zamperrini. Olympic runner who got shot down and ended up as a POW of the Japanese.
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JackTheRipper69
Saw the movie
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WarriorSoul
This was assigned to me as summer reading one year. Tremendous book that I’ve since reread several time.
ARandomHelljumper
Zamperini actually came to my high school to give a talk a few years back, a year before I went there. Still pissed I missed it.
Jorrdann
My great grandpa was a bazooka man in the south pacific. Grandma said he refused to talk about it but really hated the Japs
Penguinsandbroadswords
Dad was in the Pacific, got sick and shipped back to California. They had the ambulatory feed the soldiers from the Japanese camps ice cream
Alavar
Great Grandfather served in SP as well. He really hated Japanese people too. He was also at Pearl Harbor.
PoppinLochNessHopster
I will never fault old vets for being racist towards countries we've been at war with, beyond me and my arbitrary judging.
AGiantTransWoman
My grandfather was in Vietnam, I believe he was a radioman? Been meaning to ask him about it since he's become more open about it.
nonrelevantname
My grandmother was a teen during the japanese occupation of our island, out of 13 siblings 3 were left after the Japs killed them off.
nonrelevantname
Just for clarification, im from Saipan CNMI.
Promethianfire
If you want an idea of what that war was like, read "With the Old Breed" by Eugene Sledge
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iamnotthemuffinman
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SanchoPanzaWasFat
A couple of other rec’s: Red Blood, Black Sand by Chuck Tatum and Helmet For My Pillow by Robert Leckie
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TheQuietHunter
The Japanese always get a pass for what they did.
siler7
What the fuck are you even talking about?
flipfloppp
Yet the US were pretty much happy to give them and a Nazis a pass until they were directly attacked...
RayloKen
Lol 'always'
miltownmadness
Considering we decimated two of their major cities and they are still not allowed to have a standing army...yeah they faced consequences
DeathMetalEnthusiast
Almost no one was punished for unit 731 though. We even granted Shiro Ishi and his team immunity
EMTMarv
They did a lot of fucked up stuff that people forget, nanking rape of China, occupation of Korea with the use of pleasure girls
zooumberg8
There's still a deep loathing in China for the Japanese.
PooPculture
Uhhhh no not really. Talk to someone from China, Taiwan, or Korea about Japanese atrocities during WWII. They haven't forgotten.
TheMaskedRaven
Not from me they don't.
shitshowatthebloodbank
FurtiveGlancer
Well, unlike Germans who are shamed about their Nazi past, Japs today are non challant, business as usual...
JasonCorgiMagnet
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about
TheQuietHunter
Prince Yasuhiko Asaka personally oversaw a six week slaughter of 300,000 civilians. He was granted immunity as part of Hirohito's deal.
TheQuietHunter
You clearly are an apologist for one of the most offensive regimes in history.
SirBlades
Want them to grovel at your feet till the end of time generations after it happened? The Japanese of today aren't the ones from back then.
SirBlades
Just like the Germans of today aren't the ones of Nazi Germany.
TheQuietHunter
Not me. The Koreans deserve an unqualified apology.
TheQuietHunter
There are no clear legal ramifications for the Royal family. They lead the military. The German leadership were put on trial.
JasonCorgiMagnet
Calm down professor, you’re pretty worked up over some shit that happened 80 years ago
SirBlades
Pretty sure only Nazi and their sympathizers are shamed. If you have racial problems with the Japanese, that's your problem.
FurtiveGlancer
WTF are you smoking?!
SirBlades
Dont spread misinformation and exaggerated dramatic assumptions.
Mybrotherismyhomie
Except for the Atom Bombs.....twice.
Shoelebubba
Atomic bombings were to prevent heavy American military losses, not as retribution for their actions during the war
DeathMetalEnthusiast
But no one remembers what they did in China or Unit 731
Un0riginalComment
But no one remembers Russia raping its way through Europe either
DeathMetalEnthusiast
It's horrifying to see how much we edit history
ZombiesAreNotOkay
What about America raping in Berlin, Philippines, Vietnam, Japan and Korea? They are still raping in Japan and Korea (Christmas 2017).
58d8fee2
I thought they got nuked twice for what they did, and then were an occupied country for years after they surrendered.
idkalan
People involved in Unit 731 were granted immunity by the US as long as the US was given sole custody of all their experiments & discoveries
DeathMetalEnthusiast
We granted full immunity to those involved in unit 731. What a miscarriage of justice
DawnofAzazel
The Americans granted them full immunity and hired them, the Soviets tried and sentenced them to hard labour.
DeathMetalEnthusiast
The Russians never were able to carry out the sentence though
DawnofAzazel
They were able for some with the Khabarovsk War Crime Trials but you are correct most of unit 731 fled and received American pardons.
Fushelama
Dont even try to paint the soviets as saints, they sent more people to their deaths than anyone else in history
DawnofAzazel
Thats not true but exaggeration aside, I didn't paint them as saint merely pointed out an interesting contrast in treatment.
58d8fee2
More than Chairman Mao?
Enjoyyourfuneralcake
Nah, just not relevant to current geopolitics: Japan has divested from military colonialism so why exhume the guilty?
serepta
Well said
TheQuietHunter
Because they still won't apologize to the Koreans. Their schools deny Pearl Harbor ever happened. They will repeat unless they learn.
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eetsumkaus
Those who cannot remember the past...
eetsumkaus
Slight change: it's not that they deny it, WWII as a whole just gets glossed over in general
DJWienerSoup
And the Japanese government constantly tries to get things like statues and monuments to Comfort Women taken down.
Enjoyyourfuneralcake
Ok, I'm all for keeping the Memory Candle lit, lest state actors repeat the evils perpetrated in the past; can't quite determine your motive
Enjoyyourfuneralcake
This comment is completely out of touch. /
rspqj
Please tell me you are joking.
idkalan
I wish he was, there's a growing right wing conservative movement that wishes to bring back its preWW2 military roots & to kick out the
ZombiesAreNotOkay
That's right. Since 2008, the imperialist are getting stronger and stronger.
idkalan
US armed forces stationed in Japan as they claim that the US has treated them unfairly out of sheer vengeance instead of justice
eetsumkaus
And North Korea is giving them the perfect excuse