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FreshPrinceofDenmark
I wonder if Imgur would send a post by someone named "SpiritofHitler" to the front page.
chbarts
Just look at what happened to China and North Korea without CIA help!
michaelfire
People who post critical posts also get the COIN "disruption" treatment https://www.aclu.org/other/more-about-fbi-spying
hereforthefunnies
Yep...it was called Operation Condor.
thatsmyfetish69
Luckily, the CIA can’t operate in “home soil” so we’re good!
RulesOfImgur
They should, we need to invade the us and install a democracy
downvotevacuum
It doesn't even sound good in theory.
Sapotaattori
I am curious to convo with someone who thinks every socialist idea is communism and because communism is horrible it means socialism is too.
biggerhammertx
You can always VOTE yourself INTO Communism, but then you have to SHOOT your way OUT if you change your mind. One Man One Vote for One Time!
leodavinci1
Ignores eastern Europe, where it collapsed of it's own inertia and inherently rotten foundation.
swedeonamoose
that is why we have the EU, to throw money at parts of eastern europe hoping things will change.
Xemodnar
And the USSR, where that didn't happen, and China, where it has yet to, was/is a wonderland.
WakeMeUpB4UpostPost
Fuck socialism. Just end the cronyism and corruptions. It doesn’t matter what it is. If the people at the top are corrupt, it’s fucked!
Slamtastik
Can be said for any form of government, they are just tools made by people to govern people. If they are used poorly they will be bad.
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Just a reminder that the majority of "developed" (i.e. places people want to live) countries are, in some ways, socialist. USA is a 1/
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
2/ corporate autocracy. There is nothing about socialism that says it can't also be democratic.
DrasticBastard
The same is true about democracy in South America.
bemurray814
Are the proud boys being backed by the cia?
michaelfire
https://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4
Astrospud
/a/KBwlUKi
ochermes28
It didn’t work in Chile and soon will be gone after the thug Maduro is dead in Venezuela.
ochermes28
Anybody that downvoted me should take a vacation to Venezuela and see how socialism work.
LuminousExpanse
except when it doesn't, but that's not true socialism anyways. hell, it's never even been really attempted!!
Slamtastik
Give it time, when we got androids and shit there's gonna need to be a universal basic income.
LuminousExpanse
well, that won't be "true socialism" either because the "means of production" will not have been "seized"
Slamtastik
that's communism
DrLivingstoneIpresume
IwentLookingForWhatTheBiggestIdiotHasToSayAndHereYouAre
lol THATS WHERE THAT FUCKING COMES FROM? That's great!
creepwood
oh my, that's one pissed hick! I love him! /the swede
TheScotchKraut
Check out Trae Crowder AKA the Liberal Redneck
maximilianfragglebottom
this is amazing, thank you! do you have a link to the full video?
DrLivingstoneIpresume
I don’t... I just stole this one fair and square this morning from another post
youknowthatonepersonwiththeface
Well that's Corey Ryan Forrester, part of WellRed comedy if that helps you find it
ghsdkgb
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CJE7-IrHQeP/?igshid=1lzsig9xb6skj
maximilianfragglebottom
thank you!
MachineInterface
Both the US and the Soviet Union overthrew multiple governments during the cold war. That's part of the whole "proxy war" concept.
sjbrooksy7447
I think limiting wealth inequality should be the goal. But what amount would morally acceptable?
jaaaaay34
No one needs more than $100mil, hell , prob even $50mil. And with socialism, that money goes a lot further
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Hard to implement when the ones you're talking about are the ones making and influencing those decisions
PiggyWobbles
I'd settle for: dont let the same guys who control all the capital also write the rules for taxation/the administration of capital
FreshPrinceofDenmark
How about you focus on the raw standard of living for poor people instead of jealously worrying about the gap between them and the rich?
Memeeater
Well, enviously. And whilst absolute poverty is terrible, most people don't realize the true extent of the disparity. Poverty is hidden and
Memeeater
Foreign, whereas wealth is everywhere. Gap minder/ dollarstreet has a good resource on this, can explore different homes
AJokeIsYou
Typical socialist. Blaming others for the failures that they themselves cause.
IwentLookingForWhatTheBiggestIdiotHasToSayAndHereYouAre
Socialism caused american capitalism to run amok, leaving the non-rich behind? Please explain.
braidedeagle
Typical capitalism. Being shit.
Slamtastik
Capitalism has its place. It's insanely hard to be a successful socialist nation without being capitalist first.
thinkstopthink
Capitalism's International Army hates anything that resembles democracy.
biggerhammertx
Thankfully the US of A is a REPUBLIC. Democracy is basically Mob Rule. As in "If the Majority Wills It, then Tough Luck to any Minority".
thinkstopthink
Like the minority running the USA now?
biggerhammertx
Who is in the 'Minority' goes back and forth, so having Constitutional Protections for whomever is in "the Minority" is a Good Thing.
thinkstopthink
Not in an oligarchy it doesn't. The power shifts between a select small group. That's not a republic or democratic. American Business Party.
loopyloopus
Sharing a tweet on a image site prolly from a phone, sure are participating in that “disease” there bud.
maximilianfragglebottom
elcee50
lmao I was gonna post the Bors one but this is way better
Camelspotting
Turning point peloponnese
Modela2
“I *need* Amazon Prime, six vidya consoles, a PC, Netflix, etc. etc. I *need* it.” Most socialists prob give more to corps than capitalists.
Camelspotting
So maybe people don't actually want what your idea of socialism is?
Modela2
Most “socialists” just want a modern consumerist society except where they don’t have to pay for anything, so I guess you’re right?
Camelspotting
Pretty much everyone wants that.
maximilianfragglebottom
Most people who claim to hate socialism rely on tax-funded programs like SNAP, WIC, public schools, and social security.
maximilianfragglebottom
I literally have none of the things you mentioned but even if I did, you can participate in society and critique it at the same time.
Modela2
Okay. The point is that it’s not hard to walk the walk and not support megacorps, but it’s inconvenient so most “leftists” won’t do it.
Koga90
What was the CIA backed fascist coup that overthrew the Soviet Union?
happyguide
The ... the whole Cold War?
biggerhammertx
Economics 101.
Asteroidrules
Well there was that German backed socialist coup that overthrew the Russian Republic.
Sapotaattori
Are you one of those who think that every socialist idea = communism ussr style? And because every socialist idea is communist and ussr 1/
Sapotaattori
failed it means every socialist idea fails? OG post is pretty stupid in principle, but i am curious. It seems weird logic. end/
Toshfam
Socialism doesn't work at all, only idiots and traitors would support it in the US.
Slamtastik
All forms of government work. It's just a tool.
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
"tRaItOrS" wanting policies that better support the majority of the population... Ok lol
gaaaaalavant
"Now where's my $2000 stimulus check Daddy Trump promised me?!"
IwentLookingForWhatTheBiggestIdiotHasToSayAndHereYouAre
You mean like Social security, which is why pensioners don't have to wait on bread lines to feed themselves?
IwentLookingForWhatTheBiggestIdiotHasToSayAndHereYouAre
Except when it does.
TrumpSuxIvankastoeslikechillidogs
Socialism or social safety nets?
thesmelge
I feel this is a rhetorical question because there is no way that guy has the capacity to differentiate.
ace5762
*Looks around at the bread lines, mass unemployment and 300,000 deaths that brutalist capitalism created*
ace5762
*looks as the Republicans literally back a fascist coup and commit actual sedition* Whatever you say, guy.
Dinos91
Zipbang
Jesus.... thats just fantastic.
odin21
Please explain this to me like I am 5 years old as I am venezuelan and i don't get it
legion2750
Ven was found oil, set up a ton of social policies funded by oil, oil prices falling and corruption caused a collapse.
williamtowel
Right wingers use Ven as an example of failed socialism. But its economic troubles stem from a single commodity economy. Bad faith argument.
coreunit
Socialism/communism only works on the small scale. On the national scale it falls apart.
PiggyWobbles
in conservative fantasy land, economies of scale work in reverse when it isn't walmart or amazon doing it
BullfrogStormcroak
The 30+ developed nations that have adopted the policies that the progressive Americans support which you are attributing to "socialism" and
BullfrogStormcroak
have found that it works perfectly fine determined THAT was a lie.
malaroo
Said the guy who has literally no understanding of how anything works but still feels the need to parrot dumb shit he thinks he heard once.
ace5762
Funny how the US keeps falling on all citizen quality of life scales while Finland and NZ keep rising tho.
Pothdaddy
Finland and NZ arn't socialist though. They got good social policies but they are still capitalist for the most part.
ace5762
So why does attempting to implement those policies get met with the cry of 'but that's socialism', then?
Pothdaddy
Because americans are told that socialised healthcare policies are bad and us europeans cant understand why.
gaaaaalavant
Exactly, let's make that happen in the US.
Pothdaddy
Absolultely. Theres a mid ground thats not quite socialism and not quite capitalism that Europe and a lot of the first world enjoy.
Tesseract09
So why not I plement those social policies in the US?
Pothdaddy
Yes do it. crooked capitalists run the US and the rest of the world knows that.
SkunkMom
That's socialism!!!! /s
DarkZalgo
And yet when other countries try out these "socialist policies" on a national scale it works just fine. Hmm.
IHateCakeDays
Can you give example of socialist country that works well? Socialist state provided wellfare policies, like in west Europe,aren’t socialism
DarkZalgo
That's my point. Whenever guys like him cry about socialism, they always refer to policy change in the US and compare it to places like
DarkZalgo
Cuba or Russia. Which still were never really socialist or communist.
IHateCakeDays
There hasn’t been a socialist country that would work well, unless you like to torture people. Stop supporting socialism if don’t want it.
jjp803127001
Socialism vs. Capitalism makes as much sense as choosing hammers vs. Saws when building a house. Best option is to use both.
Slamtastik
True, but the way I would explain it is to start with Capitalism to generate wealth then transition into socialism slowly afterward.
MicroChannelMaster
Wow, someone who actually understands the issue instead of thinking things will magically improve by switching systems. That's a rare sight.
FourLegsGood
Where do you think you need capitalism?
bwehwhatever
In places where there is an actual market place of production and demand, such as most luxury products.
FourLegsGood
That's not an answer to the question because markets aren't exclusive to capitalism. So you don't know wtf you're talking about.
Slamtastik
Capitalism is and will always be the best form of government for generating wealth, although it's one of the worst at distributing it.
FourLegsGood
Well it's not a form of government at all. What makes you think it's the best at generating wealth?
Slamtastik
That's a direct quote from my extremely knowledgeable college professor, but SURE, You Must be the ExPerT.
elcee50
ImNotRacistBut
terrasono
I chortled
parkerh17
PragurU went mask off with their who was Robert e Lee video. Disgusting.
elcee50
since this blew up here's a bonus
TheThirdDay
Not sure if you're joking or trying to spread propaganda, but either way, I love your posts lmao
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Telruin
That sounds more like an interpretation of Communism.
Slamtastik
Yup, socialism is more of a safety net.
elcee50
Dennis wouldn't know the difference, everything to the left of Pinochet is just "socialism" to that crowd
FourLegsGood
Communism doesn't require enforcement of rules. It assumes that everyone is a good and motivated person. That's why it's unrealistic.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
You don't require a state to enforce mores and laws
NATOFox
The irony of anti communist pro libertarians is their theories have much the same achilles heel. The good part at least.
vcgetdown
No, going to have to disagree there
QuartzPoker
Socialism isn't equal wages. Communism is. Socialsim is helping the poor live comfortably because everybody deserves comfort.
vcgetdown
Eh that's fair, didn't realize in the initial one it was setting equal wages (which wasn't even a thing in ussr, it was just a smaller rang)
Cole2999
I feel a better interpretation is that socialism is helping *everyone* have a better bare minimum
QuartzPoker
True. But the level of help should be proportional to the need.
Cole2999
I understand it's a joke but that's def communism and not socialism. Socialism is more like the kids earns their respective allowance, but
mercyPandaRunner
OK. There are no 'official' definitions of these words, but you can usually see 3 kinds. 1) Marx: socialism is a society where the state ~>
mercyPandaRunner
Or a comparable collective institution owns the means of production. It's goal is to create communism, a classless stateless society. ~>
mercyPandaRunner
2) pre-/non-Marx: socialism->societies have a social responsibity for their members; freedom a political AND economic question. Communism ~>
mercyPandaRunner
The community shares all its resources and responsibilities; property may be more or less abolished. 3) american: socialism= government ~>
Cole2999
They also are given the basic necessities of life (sustinence, shelter, and healthcare) and enough allowance to allow them free will, with
Cole2999
The option to do more chores to make more money. Being a parent is literally exactly like socialism.
Cole2999
If you want a similar comparison for capitalism, it's that the parents will not provide those things unless the kids work for them.
FourLegsGood
Nice capitalist memes there. You don't even understand how badly you're fucking yourself
jdasler
communism and socialism have been conflated for political propaganda for at least as long as I've been alive (I'm 50)
Cole2999
It's a natural progression. Capitalism breeds competition. We elect members of society we think can create a fair set of rules by which we
Cole2999
Live and do business. But capitalism is raw competition, where you do anything to succeed, so over time corruption is a when, not an if.
Cole2999
Socialism outlines similar things, but with standards
youcanreachmenow
The picture of the twitter handle is James Connolly, a Scottish Born Irishman and hardcore socialist. No Lenin but just thought I would FYI
Awaras
And that makes the statement not true?
youcanreachmenow
I didnt refer to the statement at all, just the picture in case anyone was interested
FuckingTurtleBear
Thanks for that mate
Lulabel73
Scottish born Irishman? So Scottish?
Kwaj
Following the model of x-American, it might make him Scottish-Irish. Scottish-born Irishman doesn't sound too bad by comparison.
youcanreachmenow
Well, born to Irish parents in a mostly Irish community. Back then it was all under British empire so being accepted as Irish likely easier
storebrandproductmascot
My name is James Connolly, I didn't come here to die https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wukfdjJv340
thinkstopthink
Duh... That's why it says "Spirit of Lenin" not "I am Lenin."
youcanreachmenow
I dont think Lenin was much of a Tweeter ;) besides James Connolly was executed (while tied to a chair) by the British Empire in 1916
thinkstopthink
Do you actually think this person is claiming to be Connolly? Do you REALLY think that?
youcanreachmenow
You mean the Irish Socialist leader who was executed 104 years ago? Surely not
Nibtrix
Executed by firing squad while tied to a chair, as he had been so badly injured in the Easter Rising that he couldn’t stand
Kounetsu
Doesn't make the statement anymore incorrect.
youcanreachmenow
Yea but that wasnt my intention. Just to say who is in the picture in case people are interested.
LurkerOfDarkness
Lenin was also a communist, not a socialist, though I know especially Americans have trouble telling those apart.
namelessone
Everyone has a problem telling them apart because they've been used in different ways by different people in various times.
anotherprosaicusername
Per VI Lenin: "The goal of socialism is communism."
Treblaine
Lenin said a lot of shit. He always said he was a communist, he had absolute power somehow it wasn't communism.
Treblaine
It's a bit like a Christian saying "I don't practice Christianity, the goal of monotheism is Christianity"
LurkerOfDarkness
Yeah, which means one cannot be the other. But especially in the US they're used interchangably. Even ar times mixed with socialdemocracy
anotherprosaicusername
Yep. 99% of references to socialism, communism & capitalism are from people who don't understand any of them.
Treblaine
Not really, that's just Lenin being a tricky bugger. Lenin and his party was communist. When they got their way, that's communism.
LurkerOfDarkness
They didn't get their way though, they got derailed pretty fast, and then they just kept straying farther away.