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both of these guns function in the same way and fire the same cartridge
all of the guns pictured here are semi automatic and will accept a magazine of any capacity. the "hunting" rifles shown here are typically displayed with smaller magazines that fit flush with the rifle stock.
semi automatic =/= fully automatic. none of the guns here are select fire and will not under any circumstances fire more than one round per trigger pull.
also, modifying a semi automatic to fire full automatic is not an easy thing to do and is very, very illegal
edit: most of these are referring to the federal assault weapons ban that sunsetted in 2004. that said there are many areas around the country where these laws are still in place like where i live (cook county il). there are also several people that want to put these laws back into place.
just know that when you hear the term "assault weapon" used in news sources they're referring to these cosmetic modifications on legal guns whether or not they are legal in the area they are used in.
boobcat
You're quoting a 23yr old Bill?? Do you know how many hundreds/thousands (state&Fed) more Bills have been filed and failed since then? WTF?
Chilobrachys
Man the mini 14 ranch rifle is one of my favorite firearms...
jumbosmooth
Me too.
SmokeMeatNotDrugs
GadenKerensky
Australian here. You still have a problem, and it's got nothing to do with how a gun 'looks'.
Havok707
Whats the rules in australia? i know hunting rifles are possible, but what else?
GadenKerensky
Handguns are pretty heavily regulated. Modification is highly limited (IE, attachments). Rate of fire and capacity is heavily regulated.
TAKEITEASYIMJUSTKIDDING
From a Californian...+1 for the mini 14
BigBoyH
I want the black one in the picture so bad but don't want to shell out for it
TAKEITEASYIMJUSTKIDDING
Gotta look for those used ones. Got mine for 600 with 8 mags, only a few years old. Calguns.org ftw
hipifreq
If the US considered "a well-regulated militia" and required repeat training and excercises, then we wouldn't be having this conversation
TheFeralDog
Well related meant functional and militia is armed civilians. Might want to read up on what those terms meant in the time of theconstitution
hipifreq
Functional is not a term I'd use to describe a group of strangers who happen to own weapons but never once train together
TheFeralDog
Doesn't matter what you would use. Matters how words were used at the time
poppedtheclutch
the NFA is unconstitutional and racist
mustachefleas
Why is that
Sully0811
Was instituted around the 1920s to keep a certain ethnic group from possessing firearms and it wasn't the blacks.
Sully0811
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act note the timing, "immediately after prohibition". A poll tax for firearms.
jakethetao
Like a lot of you said, getting the gun ban people on board with this doesn't sound likely, but I didn't know this and I'm glad I do now!
TooLateToStopNow
Yup, the whole pistol grip being the difference is stupid.
cogs
@OP, you might note that the S.150 referred to in #4 is from the 2013-14 session and is long dead. (1/2)
cogs
Current S.150 is the Preventing Crimes Against Veterans Act of 2017. (2/2)
BigBadBillyBoy
I've got Korean War surplus M1 Carbines and they were real war fighting guns. They look tame compared to these things.
boobcat
Fed Gun Control Bills authors want to manage the supply of SEMI-AUTO weapons. Calling them Assault Rifles is political spin. i.e the A.H.C.A
ElRoboBandit
Since when does a shotgun fire "bullets"?
hookerbot5000
magnum slugs. but that's about it
badleagaladvice
Since hippies.
GadenKerensky
Slugs.
ElRoboBandit
Only use them for sniping in Battlefield
GadenKerensky
They're still essentially big bullets.
JackalopeElope
Small lead balls thrown by a sling are bullets; I think buck shot has a better claim on the word than rifle cartridges.
Orionsdick
You're absolutely right, all of these should be restricted to public use, not just the "assault weapons"
CadaverBredstic
SAVAGE
WhistlePigger
You've never even fired a gun, have you? No one who's actually used a gun thinks that nobody should be able to own them.
VinzClorthoInSunglasses
I'm bored of this kind of thing. It's almost literally only an issue in the States.
IDontCareAboutYourFeelings
So click right, sorry your country does not protect such amazing personal rights. We are far from perfect, but pry them from my cold hands
MajorMustard
Then downvote and move on mate, imgur is for lots of people. A good bit of them are Americans
WhistlePigger
Definitely an issue in Canada too. Many guns are banned for completely arbitrary reasons.
Mushroombadger
I'm pretty sure there are active talks about updating the EU firearms directive and make it stricter.
DownvotesAreFun
Totally missed that... sources on the internet don't really give much information. Do you have a source?
Mushroombadger
I was trying to look up more specific information on it too and it was all pretty vague stuff.
EquinoxActual
Not since this Tuesday. EU parliament passed similar restrictions, despite the objections of countries in the East (who have been [...]
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working to improve defence readiness and to engage armed civilians in defence since 2014), because French Socialist wanted to show how [...]
EquinoxActual
they are stopping terrorism in France. By making muskets licence-only and mandating they be kept in safes. Seriously.
DownvotesAreFun
This made me curious. I looked up, but the only sources I found was some juristical gibberish I don't understand. You have more information?
EquinoxActual
Not in English, I'm afraid.
boobcat
Other countries make laws based on evidential science whilst the US tells other countries their laws wont work when they've worked for 20 yr
lysani
Other countries also have generally homogeneous cultures, while the US can have wildly varying cultures from one street to the next.
boobcat
Im very sorry for you, that your education has led you think that your comment makes a rational, informed, factual, comparative argument.
Havok707
There is also something the OP blatantly disregards. "Scary" rifle mods are, scary. you cant identify them as semi or single on the spot 1/2
boobcat
I'm sorry that you are in a situation where the discussion over protecting the life of kids differentiates guns, any gun can kill or harm
Havok707
it matters if someone, lets say robs a bank. What scaryier, that hunting ruger 14 or its maybe full auto lookalike?
Hot4Professor
As far as I know, the Ruger Mini-14 isn't available in full auto. As in, it's not manufactured in that configuration and never has been.
Havok707
You don't get the point. YOU know that about the ruger 14. you know it can be modded and can't easily be put into full auto. But 1/2
boobcat
I can't fathom the releveance of you argument. A gun is a gun. If any gun was pointed at me I'd be scared
hoffbox
A.) Repost B.) Lighter weight and more bullets and collapsible profile are all functional, not superficial differences.
progunil
a)my repost. i do it about once a month. b) specify
dukebound85
But pistol grips and black make them scary!
FerrousBuehler
Good luck trying to educate the brainwashed. I always here AR described as high power assault rifle though it isn't at all high power
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FerrousBuehler
Can't deny that!
LetumComplexo
High and low powered rifle have different meanings in different contexts. I typically hear high vs low in reference to air vs gun powder.
Cr118
I am educated, I can understand the mechanics of a rifle / round.... And you are still wrong to argue against common sense legislation
schlummi
I don't think power is the most important factor. An easy to handle gun is more deadly, especially with a poorly trained owner.
Havok707
A semi auto gun is a lot more scary because of quicker targeting after each shot. He misses? heres 4 more. a well aimed .22lr is deadly.
DayintheLife
It's not about power, it's about the fact that it is designed for killing people. And few guns do a better job.
CadaverBredstic
The ar 15 isn't high powered? Tf are you smoking
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CadaverBredstic
Maybe if your metric is caliber. The ar15's muzzle velocity is impressive
FerrousBuehler
I'm smoking reality while you bathe in fantasy land because you don't knkw wtf you are talking about
InJenius
Power is a relative term. .223 can zip through certain classes of body armor that .308 cannot. And vise versa
InJenius
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/02/20/armor-piercing-ammunition/
frzn
Your arguments may hold more weight if you don't start off naming dissenters "brainwashed". Food for thought.
FerrousBuehler
They only call them assault rifles because the media does hence why I called them that.
Mushroombadger
It's also not at all an assault rifle since it doesn't have select fire capability and only fires semi-automatically.
blessedarethecheesemakers
Speaking of education, it is "hear" not "here.
FerrousBuehler
Yep it sure is. Thanks to technology, it seems to choose my words for me and I don't give 2 fucks about proof reading
kojinko
Dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirepus
Thanks to people like you our written language will be completely unrecognizable within 20 years.
FerrousBuehler
You are welcome. Welcome to suck my fucking dick
Dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirepus
Thank you for proving my point with your guttural eloquence.
Roland191145
FerrousBuehler
Bill fucking Murray! I know that's not his real name
DavidBrooker
Especially since the whole concept of the assault rifle came about because the full-size cartridges in battle rifles were more powerful 1/2
DavidBrooker
than required and limited the amount of ammunition soldiers could reasonably carry. 2/2
progunil
in most states you can't even hunt deer with a .223 because it's underpowered
shorsey69
Most ar's also fire 5.56 tho which is same caliber but a little higher power. I put a tennis ball sized hole in a buck with one
whatisapple
underpowered? no .. that's not the word you're looking for.
FerrousBuehler
What people fail to realize is almost any .223 is rarely used in any shooting besides war and even then, they are not designed to kill
Wessmasterflex
Wait. I used ammunition in Afghanistan that weren't meant to kill? Man I learn new things every day.
Mindshard
I guess you do since 5.56 has become more adopted to injure combatants without killing to hurt morale and supplies.
Wessmasterflex
I think you're an idiot.
lysani
It seems to be a common misconception about 5.56/.223 not being designed to kill, because the round tumbles as soon as it hits anything.
a55mu11e7
this is why M2 .50 cals are for "equipment"
IShouldBeStudyingRightNowInsteadOfBrowsingImgur
Good thing I shot that RPG that dude was pointing as us. I missed the RPG though I think.
a55mu11e7
exactly
FerrousBuehler
I am equipped to blow a hole the size of a grapefruit through them and anyone else within a mile radius
a55mu11e7
yea if anybody just happens to be between the muzzle and that "equipment" then oh well.
Zetor
If they are the same, why are you upset that one of them is banned? Just buy the other one.
Mushroombadger
Pistol grips are more comfortable for some people and it's harder to mount sights, lasers etc without picatinny rails.
Roland191145
Because it is a false argument that has nothing to do with preventing crime. And when you can ban one for something as frivolous as looks...
DrMcTouchy
1 They're the same in operation. It's like saying that you should get the same car as me since they both operate essentially the same.
DrMcTouchy
2 different configurations are better for different scenarios, allowing you to adapt for skill, comfort, and environment.
ilikebananasbecausetheyhavenobones
Collectors like to collect things that look differently. He's pointing out the stupidity of said ban
aksfjh
Might I interest you in collecting TCG cards or coins instead?
progunil
because they are all the same. banning one cuz it looks scary sets the next step to saying "i don't like wood color" and so on and on and on
pizzapartyhard
When they came for the assault weapons, i said nothing, because i was not an assault weapon...
aksfjh
Your quick dismissal of it by saying it's "the same" makes me question whether you're glossing over anything.
timmeh95
If you cant see the point here then you're dense af. If they can ban/restrict a right because it's an"assault wep"which just means"scary"1/2
progunil
the whole point of this post is that they're all the same
timmeh95
Then they'll ban anything they want under the same logic. People, med practices, media, news, and anything else they can paint in that light
NekoMiko06
Adding a stock to my pistol? Not according to the atf.
TobySomething
FWIW, full-auto is almost never used even in actual combat because it's impractical.
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GingaNinja25
According to anyone who has ever been in combat. You can't hit shit on full auto.
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GingaNinja25
Suppression on full auto is pointless. Firing in quick secession provides the same effect with more accuracy. Also conservation of ammo.
Sully0811
Hi there, government sponsored killer here, you're wrong. That is all.
TobySomething
Basing it on this https://www.quora.com/In-what-situation-would-a-modern-soldier-fire-an-assault-rifle-on-full-auto-Burst-Semi-automatic 1/2
Sully0811
That's nice, and you're still wrong. What do you think people do in a fight when the 249 or 240 goes down. Volume till they're back up.
pyrrhlis
I'm against gun bans primarily because the criminals that commit firearm-related crimes are by definition criminal and don't give two (1/2)
pyrrhlis
(2/2) shits about your absurd gun rules and will get those weapons anyway.
Zellacat
AND will feel safe to victimize law abiding citizens who are known to be unarmed.
FerrousBuehler
I'm all for common sense gun control but the problem is, their ideas lack common sense
grandfaloon
And are a violation of my 2nd amendment rights, not permissions, RIGHTS
badleagaladvice
sangheraj
How does a mental health background check lack common sense?
Sully0811
Do you need a backround check to speak? How about the other tools of revolution recognized by the bill of rights?
sangheraj
Can a mentally unstable individual murder someone with worlds...?
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DukeFukkenNukem
Maybe fund police precincts better so there are more better trained and equipped officers to combat illegal gun usage.
FerrousBuehler
Well, stopping illegal imports would surely be helpful. Instead of building a fucking wall, we need to stop the tunnels and watch ports bett
FerrousBuehler
I really don't have the answer. I guess harsh punishments for violent crimes involving guns would be a good start
FerrousBuehler
We have them already but are rarely used especially for repeat offenders
superben
I don't think that's a great solution. The US has some of the harshest punishments in the world but has among the highest gun violence rates
Mushroombadger
US already doles out some of the harhests sentences in the western world.
FerrousBuehler
We do but it's mostly for people who can't afford a good lawyer. So many inner city folks get arrested 30 times before 30
Mushroombadger
That makes it better?
Airhats
I know this argument is very sound. The question I've always had: why does the military use the other 'clothing'. P.s I like weapons no hate
progunil
they're cheap and easily adaptable to many people. no need for special fitting and whatnot.
Airhats
That probably should have been more obvious to me. But if they are more easily adaptable doesn't this mean it's not just cosmetic?
progunil
doesn't make it more killier
Airhats
I completely agree. It reminds me of showing my friend a kitche knife and a 'bayonet'. The bayonet was a shitty knockoff; probably break 1/?
Airhats
It's not even legal to own airsoft and you need a gun safe and licence to own a paintball gun. Would love more education and less fear. 4/4
Airhats
is a weapon. I find it ridiculous; ignorance fueling fear. I'm in Australia which sadly limits my ability to collect things I like. 3/?
Airhats
from any use. The kitchen knife was made out of a high grade of steel and had a MUCH MUCH sharper edge. One is fine and normal the other 2/?
TimbiquiDarkThirty
Very pro-gun and ARs are a blast, but when you have enough firepower to clear nightclubs, movie theaters and classrooms...
TimbiquiDarkThirty
... in the hands of sick assholes, society will come down hard on all guns. 2nd ammendment doest specify it as and individual's right...
cogs
The Supreme Court disagrees.
TimbiquiDarkThirty
...And if there isn't responsible laws we may end up with broader bans.
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TimbiquiDarkThirty
Someone who is on certain watch lists, and has a violent criminal record shouldn't be able to buy ANY gun. Remember the Orlando shooter
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progunil
and then the next sick asshole clears a club with an 11-87. and the next sick asshole does it with a 10-22 and then next guy does it 1/2
progunil
with a pistol. there's no line on this. it's all or none. 2/2
TimbiquiDarkThirty
But assault type firearms were banned for a reason though. The are efficient weapons, they aren't a defensive weapon, but offensive.
TimbiquiDarkThirty
Yes, scumbag fucks would just use other weapons, but the situation is very different when something that good is used.
progunil
the term persists because it feeds into fear of people. this is to educate those that don't know the difference. 2/2
progunil
they were banned in 1994 and the ban sunsetted in 2004 because there was no reason for it. local municipalities hold on to the ban and 1/2
TheFeralDog
And during the ban firearm deaths went up, then fell after repeal
TimbiquiDarkThirty
Body counts are lower with other weapons. And it's a much different story for law enforcement to go up against someone with an AR
randyMagnum357
Always upvote freedom. Most gun control arguments are based on fear and false narratives.
boobcat
Americans are the only folks who have gun addictions Any other Civilised country has been able to put them down after the 1st school shootin
boobcat
You're right about FEAR!!!!!! People FEAR being one the 30,000 Americans shot to death each year. Sounds reasonable to me.
AmorphousPorpous
That nations like the UK that heavily regulate guns are worse off? Yeah. Fear and false narratives.
boobcat
"If" false narratives are used, it'd be because facts of hundreds of mass shootings per yr & over 30,000 gun deaths per yr somehow sell guns
randyMagnum357
Mostly by handguns too but keep trying to ban the big scary tactical looking ones.
GadenKerensky
Australian here. Strict gun control laws. Not afraid over such things.
gimmesomecakegammit
The same could probably be said about marijuana.
justherefortheshitposting
What really needs to be banned are handguns. Used in a disproportionate number of crimes, loved by criminals b/c they're easy to steal, use-
Heratickle
Then women,small,weak,elderly, & ill would be unable to defend themselves against stronger attackers.You consider them disposable apparantly
Zellacat
Then women, weak, handicapped, elderly would have no way to protect against larger attackers, who would then feel safe in victimizing them.
MadDrDrillBit
cause the ban on everything else has worked sooo well.
Skizzlesnap
See Australia.
youcaretoomuch
The USA is not Australia.
justherefortheshitposting
Funny how the U.S. is the only 1st world state where gun crime is a thing, eh? We're never gonna stop it now, but we can stem the worst bit.
MadDrDrillBit
Chicago is throwing off the curve on your stats. maby THAY should have more harsh laws...oh wait thay do. Criminals don't care about law.
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MadDrDrillBit
1)what is the point of the gun debate. it affects 10 or so per 100k. most of that is gang activity,over drugs. Decriminalization is the only
justherefortheshitposting
-, conceal, and dispose of.
GingaNinja25
Banning hand guns is a horrible idea. Criminals don't follow gun bans or they will just commit the crime with a knife.
litelbrown
The two worst arguments against gun regulation.
GingaNinja25
I know they are horrible and played out but honestly it's true. Where there is a will there is a way.
litelbrown
Criminals don't follow laws because that is the definition of a criminal. Guns are way more deadly than knives.
flamingflamingo
I don't really care about what kind of gun you have. I'm fine with banning fully automatic weapons and permitting "scary looking" semis.
progunil
full auto guns have been banned for manufacture since 1986. you can still buy one but they're in the 10s of thousands of dollars and you 1/2
progunil
need a class III license to get one. it's not something you can just go to walmart and get 2/2
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progunil
go get one for me and then i'll give you $50 behind the CVS next week
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flamingflamingo
then we're kosher. what kind of gun did that guy use who killed 50 people in the florida nightclub?
Mushroombadger
Sig Sauer MCX and Glock 17.
progunil
regular semi auto ar-15. i have one in my safe right now next to my AK
Mushroombadger
It was a Sig Sauer MCX. You're perpetuating the problem of labeling everything an AR-15 and demonizing it as the murderers weapon of choice.
progunil
i'm sorry, my AR is actually a colt 6920, or would you prefer i call it an M4? i don't wanna offend anyone
Mariodekabro
all we need is a restriction on who can own guns, have them registered and clear laws about how you can store and transport them.
TinySupreme
So...exactly like it is now? Cool!
dghammer
Already done.
Heratickle
How will that stop mentally ill from mass shootings, criminals from shooting whom they please & drug cartels from arming their people here?
Brawnydog
Not sure if serious
grandfaloon
We already have gun ownership laws that honest people obey, criminals have no fucks to give, they steal from you fucks.
Sully0811
I'm with you as long as it's also applied to 1, 3, 4 and 5. As long as you register and transport words properly, you are allowed to speak.
SomeDetroitGuy
Has that been proven to reduce gun violence?
schlummi
Store and transport rules should reduce accidents and the amount of stolen or lost guns.
lysani
Did you know the US already has laws like that in some form or another?
hexxagonal
Yes. Australia had a mass shooting in 1996. 35 people died. We then completely restricted what guns could be owned as well as how they 1/2
hexxagonal
Could be stored. And guess what? Gun crime fell significantly. We haven't had any mass shootings since. 1/2
grandfaloon
Not a valid argument as you are the prodigny of a bunch of convicts sent to an island to get you out of England buecause you were unwanted
grandfaloon
And your politicians disarmed you, and you idiots let them
lysani
Wasn't there also no significant drop in the overall violent crime rate during the ban though, since criminals used other methods?
progunil
that's not constitutional
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progunil
SCOTUS
whatthehell13
I love my guns. But that's not exactly what i would call unconstitutional.
progunil
what you would all unconstitutional and what is actually unconstitutional are two different things
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SCOTUS
whatthehell13
We already have certain restrictions on gun ownership(felons and domestic abusers) you think that's unconstitutional?
TimbiquiDarkThirty
The constitution isn't a dead or enduring document. The second ammendment can be stricken from it. I don't want that but it's a possibility
progunil
yeah, but that random guy from the internet isn't SCOTUS. he can say whatever he wants but that doesn't make it law
PihoprsDlyted
Are you in a well regulated militia?
youcaretoomuch
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." — George Mason
youcaretoomuch
And look up what "Well regulated" meant at the time. It means well armed with proper equipment.
HunteramongPrey
The second amendment wasn't just for "a well regulated malitia". It was also intended for the civilian population. 1/2
HunteramongPrey
A lot of the Constitution was written because we wanted exactly the opposite of what The Crown allowed.
progunil
no. i am of the people.
TimbiquiDarkThirty
This is were people assume EVERYONE has a right to bear arms, by only paying attention to what they want to see in the 2nd ammendment
TimbiquiDarkThirty
A well regulated militia isn't fine print, written like that for a reason
Aardvarksneedlove
So @op you're saying both types should be banned. Stick to bolt action
slavik
In New York state, rifle magazine is capped at 5 rounds max (handgun, 10).
Roland191145
Wait till the argument gets made against that deadly sniper rifle with over a 1000 yard range. You know, 300 win mag bolt gun.
Roland191145
Which is often used legitimately for big game hunting or long range competition.
CodeWarrior
Muskets only. As the founding fathers intended.
progunil
there's only one type of gun shown here. bolt action is a different class.
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progunil
they tried that. not constitutional.
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progunil
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/supreme-court-gun-control-semiautomatic-connecticut.html?_r=0 most recent i think
Aardvarksneedlove
I meant both looks.
progunil
http://lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=tactical+bolt+action+rifles
BeesechurgerProductions
I mean, if I worked hard enough, I could make a bolt-action rifle that looked like an AR-15, or other "tactical" weapons
progunil
but looks don't mean anything
Aardvarksneedlove
Next you'll be telling me red cars don't go any faster than other cars ;)
progunil
shut the fuck up right now or they're gonna ban racing stripes and spoilers and then i'll have some dirt on my car one day and get ticketed
kirkLandhammer
Just do what Australia does, bad semi automatic altogether. Problem solved
Mushroombadger
Australia is like the one country where I'd want to be heavily armed.
learntodoneatstuff
I'm a hunter and I would be on board for that. Revolvers, pump shotguns, and bolt actions are fine anything else nope.1/2
learntodoneatstuff
Some semis can have high capacity mags. Those guns in previous comment have slower rate of fire/reloads I'm fine with that.
learntodoneatstuff
In mass shooting situations the reload and rechambering times would give people and police time to react.
evilblackdog
Thank God we don't have "hunters" deciding what's legal for us peasants to own.
learntodoneatstuff
I do make a lot of money. We should just put the peasants on rail cars and gas them.