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vwtruckin
He said to "Send me your money" Now if you can only send a dollar or two There ain't a hell of a lot I can promise to you
BravoBuzzard
Joel Osteen is a salesman. He doesn’t preach Christianity, he sales positive feelings.
Rkfinecake
Just another form of hero worship, by people saying they're Christians but don't really read their bibles. There's lots and lots of them.
Burke616
Today's reading will be on Matthew 19:24.
GoodGraces
You noticed? This is why people in Europe were forbidden to read the Bible without the Pope's blessing. You might learn something!
Attaroo
The first guy that translated the bible fully into Middle English was crucified, strangled, then his body burned because of it.
Shewy92
John Oliver did a couple segments on this https://youtu.be/7y1xJAVZxXg
imnotinprisonhidingaphoneinmybutt
GIMME YOUR SEED!
phenompy
Same goes for islam, jews and many other religions. It's almost as if shitty people take advantage of people in need no matter where you at.
klean9
Who did the Vikings pillage? The commoner?..heck no. They went to the monasteries where all the wealth was and that was in the 790’s
wickdeed
Commoners made perfect slaves though
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
It says so in the bible so it must be true.
shimmernshine
I saw Macho Man Randy Savage fight the Ultimate Warrior at that Church in 1991. Also saw a Rockets v. Suns courtside.
HeyThatsMyGirlfriend
The squared circle is the true calling of god
spattr
I saw Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young in there.
theyar
"American." This shit has been going on since before there was an America.
prawnklng
I’d quite happily live in the home in the bottom picture , I’m stuck renting a room in the city.
thankgodfordeaddinosaurs
Ah, yes. Representative of all the Christian churches in the US.
Mimsey
Representative of MILLIONS of Christians in the US. Millions attend or watch their services and donate money.
WhoToldYouLifeWasFair
Just the Christians. There really are no rich Jewish or Mormon centers of worship.
spudpicker
As a Mormon, our temples are incredible (and costly), and the only major extravagance. None of the leaders have mega-mansions or profiit 1/
spudpicker
from the members, except the top leaders who receive a modest living stipend because they work themselves into the grave. 2/2
ImgurianGeographic
Lol.
BreadyStinellis
That's a joke, right? Have you seen the castles that are Mormon churches?
Punderstandable
Geez. The level of smug, arrogant ignorance required to not recognize this is a joke is pretty damn high.
leabelle
You're right, the majority of churches are filled with empty religion and people who are there every Sunday but practice no spirituality 1/2
leabelle
outside the church, every other day of the week. We have "insane asylums and graveyards" when we need a living, breathing, body of Christ.
thankgodfordeaddinosaurs
I don't think he is coming back anytime soon.
hungitalianohwaitthisisntgrindr
this isn’t “american christianity.” this is one, very specific, shitty church.
LurkerOfDarkness
That username...
o4kill
alas, there's a lot more like them. Lying false teachers.
LucasTheArchaneer
Eh a couple dozen one guy has three (I think) down in Houston where I live
hungitalianohwaitthisisntgrindr
it’s definitely not uncommon. but it’s like 0.0001% of christian churches.
ThulsaDoom1
Which is why they said "what's wrong with American Christianity", NOT what IS American Christianity. Also there R tons of churches like this
DarthPickles
And even then, the picture alone doesn’t make it a bad church. My sister attends a mega church and loves it. Very solid community.
hungitalianohwaitthisisntgrindr
it’s a bad church when your faith is based on payment for prayers.
gimking
Anonymity is the problem with megachurches.
NomDeImguerre
For a country that's so big on being based on the bible, too few seem to have actually read it or taken its lessons to heart.
Mimsey
If they were capable of critical thought they wouldn't be Christians in the first place. They gleefully imagine themselves as sheep.
queenoflurking
I know! Say one thing, but do the opposite.
ijust12bcd8d
Truer words have not not been typed on Imgur
mbHogmountain2017
Please don’t smear ALL of “American Christianity”, whatever you believe that to be, with the bad apples.
Mimsey
Rather, just look at the Christian Right in politics and see where their values REALLY lie. It's even worse than these megachurches.
Entartika
“everything wrong with American Christianity” wait what? also American Churches/Organizations give billions in foreign aid..
ThulsaDoom1
Which is why they said "what's wrong with American Christianity", NOT what's right about American Christianity.
LionHeart31337
Got any sauce for that?
LurkerOfDarkness
Al capone spent huge sums feeding the poor, Hitler improved conditions for German workers and created autobahns....
iHveNoCleverName
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
*DING DING DING* WE HAVE OUR FIRST HITLER COMPARISON OF THE NIGHT, FOLKS.
Pyro70
Drug lords are worshipped for their money too....
iHveNoCleverName
Attaroo
Not a single person outside of those churches has ever seen their balance sheets. We have no idea what they spend and where - by law.
marsgoose
You have choice of a shitton of churches and religions in America, some people choose poorly.
spudpicker
There are plenty of them that do awesome things like disaster relief, help people overcome addiction, etc. Mega churches are mostly a sham.
marsgoose
Also still not as big and lavish as vatican.
LurkerOfDarkness
Difference is vatican isn't private property like Osteens. It all belongs to the kingdom, not the person, the King/pope just gets to use it
marsgoose
If you get to use something until you die what's the difference between it being your property or not,
LurkerOfDarkness
You can't give it away as you please, you can't sell it, think of it like a good friend lending you a furnished house. It might be 1/2
LurkerOfDarkness
Lavish, but you don't get to do anything but live there. It's not your 80" tv, it's not your big ass sofa, you just get to use it. 2/2
fabidaddy
I live in Houston and a good amount of my upper class Rice Village friends attend that church so this isn’t that accurate. Ppl from all 1/2
spattr
It's a very diverse church. Dumb, dumber and dumbest.
fabidaddy
Walks of life attend that place. Rich, poor, middle class, foreign, white, black, fat, skinny. And they are equally as dumb for going there
shimmernshine
The houses in the picture are part of a gentrified neighborhood. Rents start at $1200/mo for a studio.
APenguinInATuxedo
I was going to say, they look like very nice row houses
shimmernshine
It's right next to the amtrak station, which is an utter shithole. The bathrooms have junkie lights, but there's a music/art scene.
slowbutstillfurious
These aren't in houston tho?? I have never seen them; live inside the loop.
Impossibrew
Those row homes look like they're from the Northeastern US. probably philly or NYC
shimmernshine
They're part of the first ward just east of the i-10, where the 'Be Someone' grafitti bridge is.
neufala
1200 a month? those houses look like straight up cargo trailers. I'v seen some nice setups in those things but nothing close to that rent.
shimmernshine
Where?
IllBeDamnedifIGotoHell
I live in Houston where Joel Osteen is and presumably where those houses are. 1200 for a studio anywhere in the loop is a great price.
IllBeDamnedifIGotoHell
Those could easily be twice that in the right area.
WhitePeppercorn
if those are in the right neighborhood of Brooklyn, yeah 1200 a month is a steal.
shimmernshine
I live in Phoenix and my current rent on a 2br 2ba is $900. $300/mo electric in the summer.
WhoToldYouLifeWasFair
Faith is the belief in that which cannot be proven. Religion is man's attempt to control and profit from the faithful.
ijust12bcd8d
or Religion is man's way of getting to God, while Jesus is God's way of getting to man..
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
jumpa
Catholicism used confession Booth to learn the Dirty Secret of the townspeople and to bribe them hence the plate being passed around
echognomeicks
collective tithing or contribution is as old as early Christianity itself & a priest can be excommunicated for revealing confessions
ijust12bcd8d
yeah..ok
Kovahjin
Those are probably the ones preaching the Prosperity Gospel. It's an insidious form of Christianity that says your wealth is your measure-
Kovahjin
-of how right you are with god. The more you have the more blessed you are. All you need to do is buy the books and put money in the plate-
Kovahjin
-and God will bless you with more fortune. It's a pyramid scheme to scam poor people and a way for the rich to feel better about themselves.
Bigcurly2000
WOW I'm actually impressed they manage to get away with that! Isn't that pretty much the opposite of what Jesus supposedly taught?
LucasTheArchaneer
Literally the New Testament says being a Christian will lead to pain
flimmyflamm
When you can't reconcile your wealth and your faith you make excuses. But this is actually a really old idea, Puritans had similar doctrine.
Bigcurly2000
I thought Puritans were all about forced poverty and hardship for the glory of God, shows how much I know!
leabelle
As a Christian this sickens me. I haven't been part of an organized church for 7 years for this very reason. 1/2
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
A Christian should know that this is nowhere near representative of the majority of churches. Why abandon the humble because of Osteen?
leabelle
You cannot serve God and money.
veritas1980
@OP “It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” Matthew 19:24
therealpdawg
Note that the word translated as "camel" was actually a slang term for "hemp rope" that sailors used. He was talking to a sailor.
therealpdawg
You can fit a hemp rope through a needle if you pare it down to a single strand. Just saying.
LucasTheArchaneer
It's also the night door on a city gate
LucasTheArchaneer
Eye of the needle that is
TheCeilingIsLava
American churches are not like that, that is a ridiculous generalization.
BreadyStinellis
Not all, but too many.
LurkerOfDarkness
Some are, but sure not all.
GilderoyPoptart
Every one I've ever been to is like this to a degree. There is always a separation of wealth and class.
Sturmgeschutz
Maybe stop going to megachurches?
GilderoyPoptart
It's any church I've been to, not just "mega churches".
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
Seems like there's cherrypicking involved, then.
Mokelzwerg
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.
Attaroo
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
waiting for that one Christian to show up who tries to claim the 'eye of the needle' was a real, narrow gate they were referencing
Mewmus
did some research and this is what I found: the eye of the needle was a real narrow gate, and to get a camel through it it would have 1/?
Mewmus
to be unloaded of all it's cargo first, so the metaphor would be a rich person would have to similarly unload all of their possessions 2/?
LucasTheArchaneer
Yup
Mewmus
before they die in order to enter heaven. or something along those lines 3/3
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
It is a popular story but it's lacking evidence. If you read on, after Jesus makes the claim that it's easier for the camel to go thru (1)
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
(6/6)don't agree with their opinion about dreams but the borrowed expression was about impossibility, not difficulty or inconvenience.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
(3) I don't think the story about the gate is reasonable. Jesus talked about the camel/needle as an impossibility, not the mere
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
(2)the eye, his apostles react with disbelief like it sounds impossible for anyone to be saved. Jesus says only god makes it possible. So
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
(4)mere inconvenience that the story suggests. Additionally, the expression goes back to the Babylonian Talmud to explain that there is
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
(5)reason behind dreams, that they don't show impossibilities like "a palm tree of gold or an elephant going thru the eye of a needle". I
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chrisdafish
Not even over his own post
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userfriendly19777
Jesus chased people like that out of the temple with a stick
Jburli24
And yet people still think "what would Jesus do?" should mean the most compassionate option
howmanyprofilesarenamedEric
We should do the same honestly
comehomefransbrauder
One of THE funniest parts of the bible.
kyeburr
First, HE MADE A WHIP, and then beat the hell out of them!
ultradongle
Gets me every time, he goes full on berserker mode on those fucks selling shit in the temple. He's flipping carts and whipping them all.
mishalala
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ItWasntSupposedToBeThisWay
That sounds like fun. I'm for flipping tables, too.
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CerisCinderwolf
*whip, actually
Smozzerz
*whipped the sheep and cattle
noctynight
Didn’t he say it’s easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven?
mishalala
Sounds right...
HydrochloricKitten
He whipped the money-changers and merchants out, not worshipers.
Riptide00
It certainly explains why they think a billionaire conman would make a good leader.
Mewmus
how would a millionaire conwoman have been better?
Riptide00
There were a lot of options to choose from in the Republican primary.
Mewmus
and like....3 total from the democrats
CitizenDickbag
Who also acts in a morally-depraved manner totally contrary to their professed beliefs.
LionHeart31337
Their adulterous bastion of Christianity. That’s had over 3,200 private lawsuits against him, and 160 federal lawsuits. But you know. Maga..
HeyThatsMyGirlfriend
Poor white people don’t see themselves as ‘poor’, that’s a term (for them) used to describe urban blacks. They would never be poor, nope
iHveNoCleverName
True shit
RedClaws23
This. The biggest illusions sustaining the American division of wealth are: class mobility, and class self-perception.
RedClaws23
Like 40-50% of Americans are in the Lower Class, shown most easily by worrying about routine monthly budgets. And those that are in the LC
RedClaws23
almost always percieve themselves as Middle Class. The Middle Class owns houses and puts kids through college with their savings. The second
RedClaws23
problem is that those LC people who think they're MC go further, thinking they're just one lucky break or great opportunity away from being
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
"There are no poor Americans, just temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
cbale2000
Mainstream Christianity generally rejects these people, not just because of their actions but because of the heresy they preach.
Laxeey
But then you look at the Vatican and realize that its the same shit no matter where you go.
jesusedgarhoover
have you seen where the Pope lives and what his church is like mate?
TheWarHymn
The floors and walls are polished marble, and the bronze fixtures adorned with gold. They even call it a palace.
haxanjunkie13
Lies and justifications. You're the heretic.
GenderEqualityIsAMyth
Very true. Especially this guy. He preaches his own version of “self betterment” and basically uses the Bible as a stage prop.
IshitOnWindshields
Um bs.
LionHeart31337
Uhhh... that is mainstream Christianity buddy. That’s about as mainstream as you can possibly get. Hipster Christians?
cbale2000
TV Christianity is not the same thing as actual going to church Christianity. These people have "A" church, they don't speak for the rest.
SaintMaceToTheFace
Mainstream is the main groups of Christians not the few who go to mega churches
BreadyStinellis
Mainstream does not mean majority. The Kardashians are mainstream, doesn't mean the majority are fans.
ZimGenzko
No that’s American Christianity. Most of Western Europe is very different.
Laxeey
Yeah in Europe they know to hide the fact that their houses are amazing by making the exterior look old.
aCartographer
US can't even get christianity right
ZimGenzko
America was co founded by people who were too weirdly Cristian for Europe.
LionHeart31337
Oh fuck off seriously. No version is better than another. It’s all snake oil and lies.
ZimGenzko
hokyshirt
https://imgur.com/tcypbd4
TakWriterOfWorlds
Which mainstream Christianity are you referring to? There are something like 260 different versions.
MemeWay
Not molesting kind ?
GenderEqualityIsAMyth
Mainstream, as in the major branches. Baptist, catholic, Methodist, Protestant, Episcopalians, and Pentecostals. Even satanists reject him.
theredfox64
How many followers does Joel have to your local x denomination church? Compare apples to apples
Talaiga
But that's apples to oranges if you consider that Joel Osteen's scope: the "congregation" he's preaching to is international.
GenderEqualityIsAMyth
That is literally why I made the statement. He isn’t even teaching Christian doctrine. He is a heretic in the eyes of Christianity.
TakWriterOfWorlds
I think you’d be surprised to find that an incredibly large portion of Christians would disagree with you on that.
DizzleRizzle
Protestants, metodists, baptists, episcopalians, etc.
iarecow
Aren't Episcopalians the people that eat fish?
kawwmoi
I do like fish, but usually I hear us referred to as Catholic-lite.
usraname
it’s like catholicism but without the guilt
ForTheMostPart
Pescatarians are the fish eaters.
PitWolf87
No, those are the Japanese.
Ganzkapoeri
Hah, classic
BreadyStinellis
What? Then how does some ass clown like Joel Osteen become filthy rich? He's pretty fucking mainstream.
myusernamenotyourusername
He has a lot of blind followers, but a lot of other Christian leaders (not as famous or infamous) reject him and his teachings.
BreadyStinellis
Yeah, I know. But to say he's (And other similar pastors and churches) not mainstream is just false. He's a celebrity. You may not like his
BreadyStinellis
Brand of Christianity, but it's been normalized.
morelikeconsham
Wikipedia says his attendance is about 43K, and that he has 7M views weekly and 20M viewers monthly. While that is certainly far larger than
morelikeconsham
Anyone else's sermon, it is still only 0.9% of 2.3B christians, as opposed to 1.2B Catholics, 270M eastern orthodox or 100M Baptists.
nanonator
Thank you. The evangelicals in the US have a lot of bad behavior, but the rest of us Christians get lumped into it.
morelikeconsham
I'm not particularly religious, but the average christian seems to have fairly noncontroversial views (love your neighbor). I do agree that
kyrtian
There are 330 million people in America. Fool just 0.25% of them and you're pretty well set
JasperTheFriendlyTapeworm
I once heard my dad go on a rant about how joel Osteen is the Antichrist. It was great
BreadyStinellis
Idk about that, but he is for sure a pile of turds, at best.
PacificKnight
mainstream in the media, not in the religion. He preys on the weak and it's a damn shame.
BreadyStinellis
He is far from the only pastor if a mega church.
nanonator
It's not the mega-church at issue (though it does have pastoral issues), but the "Gospel of Prosperity" that exploits people.
SaintMaceToTheFace
people get deceived Instead of reading the Bible they are told that if they aren’t financially overflowing there is sin in their life
SaintMaceToTheFace
And if they send money to his church it will help them
BreadyStinellis
Yeah, rhat doesn't make him, and pastors like him, not mainstream Christianity. They're famous. It's pretty mainstream.
Aibell125
I like his message of ‘god is going to bless you with amazing fortune’ followed by ‘but be content where you are’ it reminds me of that 1/
Aibell125
Quote that poor Americans are temporarily embarrassed millionaires’
gater04
how the hell do they get these mansions and mega churches if theyre "rejected"? Obviously that is not the case...
silencewillfallwhenthequestionisasked
They deceive by preaching what’s known as the “Prosperity Gospel”. It’s enticing. Those outside of these churches reject the PG as heresy.
mirhagk
Lower levels of this exist all over. Catholic churches tend to be some of the worst offenders, demanding fixed percentages of your salary 1/
AntonioAdorno
I know church goers who never make donations of cash in the weekly collections. Rather they offer their time at the various charities nearby
mirhagk
And spending it on useless statues windows and other wasteful shows of wealth
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
The catholic church is the largest charitable organisation in the world.
dumbledorewhatanoldcoot
Their worship. 3/3
dumbledorewhatanoldcoot
Please do your research “tithing” (what you are referring to) to is a suggestion that is encouraged but in no way is it enforced it’s 1/?
dumbledorewhatanoldcoot
Not even a rule that gets ignored it just straight up isn’t required as far as windows statues etc many individuals find that these help 2/?
smooshiebanana
Jesus himself said that in the last days there will be false teachers/prophets who will arrive on the scene and deceive many people.
LibraShane
I'm the 666th upvote. Hail Satan.
justsignedupforthishit
Yeah, last days and all. 2000 years and counting.
TheyCallMeDrFeelGood
PsycheClone
Was reported to have said*
drakewarnock
Thanks for the clarification. I was under the impression we had audio recordings.
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
here's the thing about that description of the last days: they describe literally any time since then.
Whackjob
He also said he'd return in the lifetime of his apostles. I'm fairly sure they're all pretty dead.
Dusquidnius
Which lifetime?
Attaroo
Yep. But Christians always try to twist away from the obvious failed prophecy.
smooshiebanana
That's not the case. It speaks to them not perishing before seeing the kingdom of heaven, which they did in 3 different ways before death.
Attaroo
It says Jesus will come back with the Angels and give every man his due. It is talking about judgement day clearly. Matthew 16:27-28
Renza0
Just to throw it out there, these movements exist: antivax, flat earth, anti gmo, anti gluten, SJW extremists, anti education, and more
slinkiisu
So you ean the last days have lasted 2018 years?
GoodGraces
God has existed since the beginning of time. Christ is only 2000 years old.
Mcswigginsbar
What if the “last days” weren’t for the world, but for the Christian religion?
MarioPoppins
Yes, false teachers that show pictures of a church in Houston along with houses (on the bottom) from another city
JonathanHoag
When Jesus said that, he was talking about right then. The disciples expected his return, and the Apocalypse, soon, within their lifetimes.
Iwasntevenatit
Unless someone of trust heard him say this.doubt
ThighHighsSaveLives
It's easy to be deceived when you are a Fucking moron, too many sheeple, stop giving money to churches
cargo305
People say there is no God, but secretly hope they are wrong.
OneTrueGif
This is like saying "in the end days, the sun will be yellow and the water will be wet".
NomptyPlonker
And it was just vague enough to work.
smooshiebanana
This was posted on Feb 13th. You are commenting now? lol
Abusabus
Last days. Early days. Mid days.
iLikeRainyDays
He said that? wow its amazing how prcise records we have from 2k years ago
notArobot1
And he also said that will be a profit after him named Ahmed and you should follow him
blir
I knew Flareon from TPP was a sign.
PitWolf87
"Seriously if you are gonna have a dick measuring competition with a woman you must've started with the world's cruelest handicap witch 1\
PitWolf87
is good news for the 9 year old boy you have chained in your private vatican jet which is payed for how.... oh right generous donations 2\
PitWolf87
to spread the word of god ... all over his back." 3\
Benejio
You read that in the bible?
smooshiebanana
Matthew 24
LemmingAttack
False profits.
zombiejedediah
Profits are true enough.
GoldTeef4ErrBody
Sick comment bro
IllCaesar
He also thought the end days would be within a few decades of his death.
smooshiebanana
He actually never stated that. While Nero fulfilled many of these prophesies, he didn't do so to all. Now is more likely the Last Days
RipNic
Jesus promised the end of all Wicked people. Odin promised the end of all ice giants... I dont see any ice giants around :)
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
checkmate atheists
drakewarnock
......mother of god
RaynWisp
Then like 80 years later they wrote some book about him and here we are.
smooshiebanana
Actually the fall of the Temple occurred in 66CE and they were likely written before that. So not really that long after all. Maybe 30?
Attaroo
Yeah, the first books were in that time frame. But the bible wasn't codified until the Roman Emperor told them to in 325
Attaroo
there's thousands of manuscripts in the time between, many of which weren't accepted by the council of nicea
smooshiebanana
Actually the world was in a pattern of legalizing everything. The bible was already compiled and passed around. He just made it legal.
rustyjensen
"Last days" might be running a little long, in that case
LexiconM5
According to the bible, they already happened. Jesus says after resurrection that they'll live to see him return...
seamusmcfly
I hope for his sake he doesn't come back. He'd just be crucified all over again.
dgbowers
We're in the last days.... anything after Christ is the last days.
smooshiebanana
Which is actually prophesied to be said commonly in the Last Days
Attaroo
Jesus said people in his audience would see the end times. Churchies tend to ignore that part.
sociallyawkward12
Commonly interpreted that "the end times" is a term to refer to all time after Jesus' ascension. So they saw "the age of end times"
USD1
What if the audience includes people reading the bible?
Attaroo
It would have to mean anyone reading the bible at any time. And would be massively misleading.
Attaroo
For an all knowing, all powerful God, he sure does have a hard time making his meaning known. Then if you get it wrong, he burns you.
LucasTheArchaneer
Source?
popejubal
matthew 24:34
LucasTheArchaneer
I've looked into this and that generation is a askew translation direct from Greek it more parallels lineage, times, and or nation.Source\/
Cucumberclouds
These things take time
SuperSassySauce
They've made so many predictedions at this point it's laughable
IntrinsicDelay
Yeah?!?!? Well the next one will be true!! Earthquakes and shit yo
SuperSassySauce
And when will that be?
CitizenDickbag
Con men have been duping credulous believers for the past 2000 years. If anything, modern society is a bit more savvy.
TristenKent
probably just better efficiency at coning people
smooshiebanana
Nothing is new. Same thing happening now, happened then.
MoldyKetchup95
Like with the "but your way out of hell" paid dlc
GlowstickJedi
And yet these 'preachers' still fill stadiums
ICantReadBrail
People don't want to think for themselves.
AmynF5
Where did he say that?
smooshiebanana
Matthew 24
schleimkeim
Of course. He didn't want people to listen to the thousands of other prophets that were around at his time.
GenderEqualityIsAMyth
He profited nothing though. He lived with fishermen and lived among the poor. The whole point is that his message was pure and salient.
AmirGarib
If we can believe thst really.
schleimkeim
Yeah but he got fed nonetheless. Being a prophet was just another way to get by at that time.
mookooskookoolatoos
Who is this jesus character?
GenderEqualityIsAMyth
Who is this Four Chan?
docmarblerunnerbill
He's my gardener. Does magic with flowers. Magic, I tell you!
C0mtraya
This guy:
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wildatheart499
A 4 foot tall Jewish Arab
TheArchbaldPothole
The King of Kings. Prince of Peace. Lamb of God. Wonderful Counselor. He's The Way The Truth and The Life. Seek Him.
Boostian
So... Keanu ?
Arkanrais
that's the name they gave to an unverified, probably non existant person whose name should actually be Yeshua Ben Yusef
Arkanrais
I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a hard time taking people seriously, when they cant even get their own messiah's name right
OMEUNOMEEMINISAR
How do you know Jezus himself said that?
smooshiebanana
The same way we know Socrates spoke. It was written about in historic record. No document is more authentic than the Bible's history.
Arkanrais
there are no verified contemporary accounts of jesus. the gospels didnt show up till 2nd century. the authors of the gospels were also 1/
Arkanrais
completely anonymous, with the names being added later to give them more authority. Mark was almost certainly written first, then either 2/
Arkanrais
Luke or John, them Matthew came last. at best, they contain second hand stories, but probably fifth/sixth hand accounts. 3/
OMEUNOMEEMINISAR
Funny you mentioned a guy who's authenticity is questioned. And a lot more documents are more authentic than the Bible eg: any receipt ever
HadMeSomeChickens
His existence, generally dpeaking, is not in question by mainstream historians.
OMEUNOMEEMINISAR
His existence as it is recorded -which is what matters to the point above- is, in deed, questioned by mainstream historians .
smooshiebanana
Sorry, I meant ancient document, to clarify.
OMEUNOMEEMINISAR
I've also meant ancient receipts. Look. if the Bible was so clear about what Jesus said, there wouldn't be 100 dif interpretations
OMEUNOMEEMINISAR
Which Bible do you refer to? The Bible Jesus used didn't talk about him.Do you think no clergy added or change stuff of the Original text?