There is no way this is normal, these things normally go by truck. Must be a client somewhere for whom the cost of shutting down a line far out weighs the cost of air shipping this monster. And such industries do exist where say even seven figures spent on shipping is inconsequential compared to shutting down a production line.
Also much is carried on trains. Our local steel shop built a branch by the train tracks just to be able to handle these rolls and deliver custom lengths.
1. Easier loading and unloading as a crane can hook through the center hole (or use straps) to hoist them.
2. The coil itself is under high tension and laying them "eye to the sky" subjects them to more impact forces on the edges that can cause them to unwind almost explosively.
Working in a factory i can tell ya it's all about production timing. Occasionally we'll have to special order material because what was gonna come in on Thursday is coming in Monday. And yeah, a few hundred people @my shop, but it's still tens of thousands of dollars every day the machines aren't running. We'll pay a premium on same day delivery to avoid.
Yeah but supply chains flow in a particular direction for good reason. You typically wouldn't do manufacturing at a remote site, here they're air freighting future cutoff scrap as part of the bargain, not to mention the specialized equipment to handle material like this they'd have to ship to the other side in advance that likely wouldn't see a ton of use to generate a return on those costs.
If they need it for fabrication purposes it may make more sense to ship it in this format vs something closer to the final product depending on the final size and shape may be, which could preclude it from being shipped in its completed form. You don't necessarily need a lot of special equipment to handle it depending on what they already had on site, or materials available to fabricate whatever they require. You can do a lot with a little provided you have competent welders.
Can you think of some good examples to help me appreciate your point more fully? I'm not an expert, but I've been to a few dozen factories and I'm used to rolls like that either going into secondary processing to make thinner sheet or being stamped directly. For stuff like architectural sheet metal you're looking at doing both. MUCH easier/cheaper to ship a pallet of panels, etc. What would one do with this that produces large, continuous product?
Answering my own question as I think about the problem longer, I suppose if you wanted to be able to fabricate panels arbitrarily for quick turnaround in case of damage to something like a vehicle panel, container/hopper wall, ducting, etc. then you could cut an arbitrary length, cut what you need with a torch, and go about your business. But that seems like a prohibitively expensive capability to justify...
I’m doing fine—we initially thought it was a rotator flight carrying hundreds of troops, so after an hour or two when we found out there were only 7 or 8 casualties we were super relieved. The rest of the video I haven’t seen since that day, it shows the guy driving into the smoke/dust cloud on the ground and looking for survivors. I lost track of him a few years ago. He’s Australian.
Severed hydraulics 1 and 2 and crashed into the horizontal stabilizer jack screw causing a pitch up momentum, resulting in stall and eventually crash https://youtu.be/hvZEr3IkLJI?t=956
Damage like that means they were dead the moment it came loose, because there's no way they could have ever recovered from it, even if they had a much greater time to react.
If that's a standard sized roll of thin gauge cold rolled steel that weighs around 15 tons... not sure, but if it's aluminum, it might weigh around 6 to 8 tons... either way that would be instant catastrophe if that budged even a tiny bit... that would just fall right through the airframe.
Went to school with a kid who's dad worked at a steel mill. In the 70s he had some dispute with management, so he stole one of these rolls. He wasn't planning to do anything with it, it just made him feel better. Its been sitting in their back yard for close to 50 years
"broke free during the take-off and rolled to the back of the cargo hold, crashing through the rear pressure bulkhead and disabling the rear flight control systems. This rendered the aircraft stuck in an uncontrollable pitch-up attitude and induced a stall and made recovery by the pilots impossible"
ArcelorMittal. Comes with mill certificates identifying which furnace it came from, when, and who was in charge that day. Just in case your airplane crashes and the metal is blamed as the cause.
Wouldn't fall through, but I'm sure no internal wall will stop it and I'm doubtful even for the sidewall of the fuselage. I've seen the aftermath of those babies flattening the tractor truck pulling it. As @pinpuller2365 wrote: "once it gets loose, there's no stopping it"
There is a *lot* of energy stored in that wound metal. It's basically an enormous spring. If you have it end down and it releases, it's an AoE attack. If it releases while on its side, a lot of the energy goes to counteract gravity, and the rest is only in two directions - you can keep people away from those two directions when moving it around.
from reading over at r/truckers, it sounds like the main reason is that even the loading/unloading machinery to handle these massive rolls are highly specialized, and being able to utilize the central hole for loading and transport is, overall, the safest and easiest method.
In other words, although it may seem counterintuitive, the reason is the roll is so massive that specialized methods and equipment is required for safety and handling, and this is the best way.
In my industry we call that the 500 pound gorilla. Doesn't matter where you place it or how secure you think it is, once it gets loose there's no stopping it.
As someone who used to process shipments light this, oh fuck yea. That stack back behind it with the netting would be loaded to a PMC or cookie sheet as we call them. I have seen a single shipment that took a whole PMC run 60 grand. This looks like it takes the space of at least 4 if not 6 of those. Pair that with the extra charges for weight and the extra time spent strapping it down, other shipments delayed, special machinery for loading, i would wager a half million on shipping alone.
DaisyfromDownunder
Strap one on Big Boy.
fredhoffman1968
i wish it had more straps
RooGryphon
What song can it play
PurifiedInTheWatersOfLakeMinnetonka
Worlds most expensive harp.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
Not sure it's quite secure yet, maybe a couple more straps?
Spiffytown
Heavy or not, don’t move. Just be cool and stay. right. there.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
Why not just stand it on end..?
FatboyRich
A shame if the coil had only cooled to 1200 degrees, looked cool, and melted the nylon ropes while cruising down the highway twenty minutes later
Travelcedric
I wouldn't want to be the load master if things go wrong
nation543
And then the customer is pissed off about the "Special Handling" fee
Kaze54
Or maybe, just give it better walls on the sides so its not just 6 inches up the massive roll. Prevent the rolling and it will be easier to support.
UsuallyARabbit
Farm?
Targe0
DukeElectra
We’re gonna need more straps.
CurtainDoggo
I wonder why they have to transport it by plane, has to be special because it must be crazy expensive
moofunk
Cheaper than stopping a whole factory for days.
thosearntpillows
That ain’t goin’ anywhere.
FTUG
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1dGo3d2pvbnVjcDNzczN4enhnOTg0bHE2YmthM3Z1YjEzbmNpMzBpaiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/OsfVaOer7N2265YTRF/200w.webp
bobisslack
That's what it says on the back of the underpants I got your mom!
...I mean, somebody had to say it...
Filanwizard
There is no way this is normal, these things normally go by truck. Must be a client somewhere for whom the cost of shutting down a line far out weighs the cost of air shipping this monster. And such industries do exist where say even seven figures spent on shipping is inconsequential compared to shutting down a production line.
Flyingwigs
Also much is carried on trains. Our local steel shop built a branch by the train tracks just to be able to handle these rolls and deliver custom lengths.
fskn
They should have steel clamps going through that roll and bolted down.
Mithi
And the coil itself should be locked to the ... pallet for a lack of a better word.
spangolio
um, why not stand it on a flat side?
Trelfar
There's apparently 2 reasons:
1. Easier loading and unloading as a crane can hook through the center hole (or use straps) to hoist them.
2. The coil itself is under high tension and laying them "eye to the sky" subjects them to more impact forces on the edges that can cause them to unwind almost explosively.
Noahbalboa82
The second point is the primary, I believe
Dasnekones
From what i hear, its mostly the first reason.
Antininny
Not enough straps.
Mithi
Those straps should be chains.
Antininny
Found the S&M Specialist.
ilovedogknots
Each strap is rated to 5000 pounds
Antininny
Ziss means nussing visout knoving der vait von der rölle
Gin2ki
I wonder why it is transported by plane, must be a desperate customer that needs it asap, otherwise land/sea transport would be the way to go.
AGiantSlor
Same. The cost to do this is far above just trucking it. What factory that requires this raw material would pay to move it so quickly?
nobodyspecial995
I'm guessing a remote location
astrangehop
Working in a factory i can tell ya it's all about production timing. Occasionally we'll have to special order material because what was gonna come in on Thursday is coming in Monday. And yeah, a few hundred people @my shop, but it's still tens of thousands of dollars every day the machines aren't running. We'll pay a premium on same day delivery to avoid.
Gin2ki
Ah yeah, makes sense if its due to some unplanned mess that needs to be fixed to keep a production running.
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petpet3d
That kind of plane?
AverySomething
Yeah but supply chains flow in a particular direction for good reason. You typically wouldn't do manufacturing at a remote site, here they're air freighting future cutoff scrap as part of the bargain, not to mention the specialized equipment to handle material like this they'd have to ship to the other side in advance that likely wouldn't see a ton of use to generate a return on those costs.
chansuke
If they need it for fabrication purposes it may make more sense to ship it in this format vs something closer to the final product depending on the final size and shape may be, which could preclude it from being shipped in its completed form. You don't necessarily need a lot of special equipment to handle it depending on what they already had on site, or materials available to fabricate whatever they require. You can do a lot with a little provided you have competent welders.
AverySomething
Can you think of some good examples to help me appreciate your point more fully? I'm not an expert, but I've been to a few dozen factories and I'm used to rolls like that either going into secondary processing to make thinner sheet or being stamped directly. For stuff like architectural sheet metal you're looking at doing both. MUCH easier/cheaper to ship a pallet of panels, etc. What would one do with this that produces large, continuous product?
AverySomething
Answering my own question as I think about the problem longer, I suppose if you wanted to be able to fabricate panels arbitrarily for quick turnaround in case of damage to something like a vehicle panel, container/hopper wall, ducting, etc. then you could cut an arbitrary length, cut what you need with a torch, and go about your business. But that seems like a prohibitively expensive capability to justify...
ps238principal
Yeah, that's what you want in a cargo plane like this, otherwise, the load can shift and you get...

gthesob
this is exactly the clip I instantly thought of
TheSlouchOfBethlehem
Only 12 years ago. I thought it was the early '00s.
lurkerthatoccationallywantstocomment
Neanderthalersutopiaphilandrousanteatersotherbrother
Yo, wtf:o it moves in mysterious ways:o
AverySomething
Severed hydraulics forced the climb and then it stalled.
Neanderthalersutopiaphilandrousanteatersotherbrother
Really cool physics. Situation sucks though
pleaseletmelurk
I was there that day!! Bagram. I know the dude whose dash cam took that video.
Arjac
I left bagram a few weeks before this happened
psychicgnu
How are you and that dude going? Does it f you up to see a disaster like that?
pleaseletmelurk
I’m doing fine—we initially thought it was a rotator flight carrying hundreds of troops, so after an hour or two when we found out there were only 7 or 8 casualties we were super relieved. The rest of the video I haven’t seen since that day, it shows the guy driving into the smoke/dust cloud on the ground and looking for survivors. I lost track of him a few years ago. He’s Australian.
ilovedogknots
Fuck what flight was that?
rbudrick
Bruh
CaptainMilkshake
The last one.
ToenailClippingsJar
Hekatombe
National Airlines Flight 102. Total loss of crew (7 people).
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
It was carrying five MRAPS that each weighed between 12 and 18 tonnes; one broke loose, went through the bulk head, and broke to hydraulic lifts.
That's straight terrifying.
Hekatombe
Severed hydraulics 1 and 2 and crashed into the horizontal stabilizer jack screw causing a pitch up momentum, resulting in stall and eventually crash https://youtu.be/hvZEr3IkLJI?t=956
mmmurppp
Thank you for posting the link. This is why I love Imgur.
Targe0
Damage like that means they were dead the moment it came loose, because there's no way they could have ever recovered from it, even if they had a much greater time to react.
CallMeMcGyver
If that's a standard sized roll of thin gauge cold rolled steel that weighs around 15 tons... not sure, but if it's aluminum, it might weigh around 6 to 8 tons... either way that would be instant catastrophe if that budged even a tiny bit... that would just fall right through the airframe.
SOLARvsFACISM
Went to school with a kid who's dad worked at a steel mill. In the 70s he had some dispute with management, so he stole one of these rolls. He wasn't planning to do anything with it, it just made him feel better. Its been sitting in their back yard for close to 50 years
labyrinthconvention
change in CG would be the main concern.
Nostradamuswaswrong
Yup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_102
labyrinthconvention
"broke free during the take-off and rolled to the back of the cargo hold, crashing through the rear pressure bulkhead and disabling the rear flight control systems. This rendered the aircraft stuck in an uncontrollable pitch-up attitude and induced a stall and made recovery by the pilots impossible"
or maybe a bit of both Jesus
11Weasel11
If this unrolls, we all die. Strap it down good now.
ionlyregisteredtosavelinks
So to be clear, your recommendation is to secure dangerous things down well, as opposed to not?
CallMeMcGyver
Hey, I never said that... you do you and be proud of your choices.
11Weasel11
It was just a suggestion.
OdinYggd
That's a roll of Unobtanium being delivered to Lockheed Skunkworks for the latest secret fighter jet project.
woodworkerf
Where does one obtain such a product?
OdinYggd
ArcelorMittal. Comes with mill certificates identifying which furnace it came from, when, and who was in charge that day. Just in case your airplane crashes and the metal is blamed as the cause.
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NairouTryyshokk
Correct. Weight and ballance is a very serious thing even for much lighter loads. There is a reason it is secured that much.
Mithi
Wouldn't fall through, but I'm sure no internal wall will stop it and I'm doubtful even for the sidewall of the fuselage. I've seen the aftermath of those babies flattening the tractor truck pulling it. As @pinpuller2365 wrote: "once it gets loose, there's no stopping it"
pinpuller2365
Same when they get loose on a railcar. They go where they want. And make a mess while doing so.
chuckaholic
What if it was a cylindrical Torus made of tungsten?
Mithi
Then there is no problem, plane will never take off.
chuckaholic
Unless you put some balloons in the cabin to offset the weight...
Shortliv3dGaming
why not just flip it so the flat part is down lol?
Evi1Gav
There is a *lot* of energy stored in that wound metal. It's basically an enormous spring. If you have it end down and it releases, it's an AoE attack. If it releases while on its side, a lot of the energy goes to counteract gravity, and the rest is only in two directions - you can keep people away from those two directions when moving it around.
Shortliv3dGaming
well today I learned . Thanks for the info =)
labyrinthconvention
from reading over at r/truckers, it sounds like the main reason is that even the loading/unloading machinery to handle these massive rolls are highly specialized, and being able to utilize the central hole for loading and transport is, overall, the safest and easiest method.
In other words, although it may seem counterintuitive, the reason is the roll is so massive that specialized methods and equipment is required for safety and handling, and this is the best way.
Shortliv3dGaming
Dang interesting haha. Seemed like an easy solution, I guess not =) .
pinpuller2365
In my industry we call that the 500 pound gorilla. Doesn't matter where you place it or how secure you think it is, once it gets loose there's no stopping it.
livingonagiantfireball
Oh trust me if that tjing move it will be stopping pretty quickly as the plane crash on the ground.
astrangehop
The hotel industry?
Perkunas687
No no, daycare industry.
muliphen
Underrated! Thank you for the belly laugh.
pinpuller2365
Fast food
Johnsky
*Pluck* That's not goin nowhere.
NeverEnoughFoxes
It's a simple spell, but nigh unbreakable.
NeverTrustThisNewInternetThingy
More like: *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* *Pluck* That's goin nowhere.
InnerBushman
I mean, that's the weirdest Stairway to Heaven intro cover I've ever heard, but I'll take it.
ThanosDei
Pluck. Snap.
ThanosDei
Snap snap snap snap snap snap snap snap snap…
Perkunas687
"Oh n- "
ilovedogknots
AbrahamDeLaceyGiuseppeCasey
So it's going somewhere?
THUB
Yea, they didn't put it in an airplane to keep it in one place, duh.... /s
Johnsky
Hope so, otherwise it's on a plane for no reason.
SleepyKitten
Maybe it'll be delivered via air drop.
0570
Someone's paying a LOT for that cargo, damn
NairouTryyshokk
As someone who used to process shipments light this, oh fuck yea. That stack back behind it with the netting would be loaded to a PMC or cookie sheet as we call them. I have seen a single shipment that took a whole PMC run 60 grand. This looks like it takes the space of at least 4 if not 6 of those. Pair that with the extra charges for weight and the extra time spent strapping it down, other shipments delayed, special machinery for loading, i would wager a half million on shipping alone.
0570
Cargoworker: "how many straps do we need?" Loadmaster: *heavy breathing* "all of them"