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During the Civil Rights era, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (an African-American civil rights organization) had rigorous and specific activist training. We could really use that level of organization today.
https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/how-agent-provocateurs-harm-our-movements
theomni
If not feds, they're probably going to meet feds pretty soon. Feds love those sorts of people. Who want to do something, not particularly clear on what or why, and don't have the skills or ability to actually do the thing. They'll get close, egg them on, provide them with the knowhow and equipment, and then arrest them at the last second.
seenunseen
Fwf fwd fwd
KittyKlimt6
Ever heard of Suffrajitsu?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrajitsu
bertchstudio
They literally can't not talk and interrogate like cops.
Probably forever after their training also.
Rats are sometimes trickier to spot but they still have too much obvious interest in shit that's odd or not their business.
They also hate you and can't ever hide that. Like dogs we can smell it subconsciously, we just don't notice it consciously
I do now. Thanks cops. 🤘 Literally all they ever succeed in doing is making me better at noticing them
They're pretty easy to mess w though ngl
woozle
just say "Intifada!" really loud
neworiginal3
Activist training is a really good idea
Clockworkdancerobot
Remember kids, Cops and feds used to be spottable by their shoes.
naughtyrev
I used to cut through an alley every morning from getting off the train to get to my office. This was right by Citadel, a financial firm run by a right-wing billionaire. A few days before the NATO summit came to Chicago 13 years ago, a suspicious number of "homeless" people started appearing the alleys, all young guys in their 20s, in good shape wearing rags and brand new boots. They were clearly in there to protect the place, because you wouldn't find them in other alleys downtown.
rshini
or shout "Hello Officer" and see whose heads whip around.
intaglioguy
Used to be spotted by their socks, too. And their choice of haircuts, choice of clothing, choice of attitude. Man, they really stuck out.
bertchstudio
They still do. Most of them just have the air of a puffed up school employee around you, the degenerate.
Their shoes and shit don't give them away now, but the guy that looks like either your principal, the worst male teacher, or a school janitor, paying way too much attention to you? that's a cop.
It's the way humans act when they are given authority and even the best actor in the world can't change the pheromones they give off or the ways their eyes look at you
Brhino
FYI you don't need electrician training to cut the power to a police station. You just need some bolt cutters with some really well insulated handles. Have fun!
kurvarVillain
Sheeet.... A well placed mylar balloon will do it.
EnderKing567
Honestly, just damaging any part of the electrical panel to the point of non functioning would work. A single cut is easily replaced. A whole electrical panel? It takes time and it's expensive.
FallingStar7669
You can actually do a lot better with some rudimentary knowledge of power grid components... and also bolt cutters.
Smidge204
You'll have to deal with the standby generator they almost certainly have. Recon goal: Determine if diesel or natural gas...
kurvarVillain
One of the biggest power outages in Los Angles was because they re-energized the grid but accidentally left the 3-phase to ground coupling engaged. If this were to occur near a power station, it has the potential to rip a generator off its foundations. The power grid is incredibly fragile esp if SoCal-Edison fixes it... Like 100 years without maintenance.
DidItForScience
Maybe don't do that at all because it doesn't solve any problems, only creates new ones.
Smidge204
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Actually solves a lot of problems by preventing police from being able to fully engage in their exploitation. Frustration of the system is always beneficial.
DidItForScience
Yeah, for a day. People should be doing what the Republicans are doing, take over the government from the inside. They're dismantling it too, but building a worse system in its place.
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EverNotRelevant
That sounds like something the feds would say.
dasbolt
All of ThanoseDei 's posts are trying to instigate the end of peaceful protest and insight violence. Probably the account of some stupid cop.
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Cinammontoastcrunch
You the one saying "the people shouldn't organize to fight back" lmao
ThanosDei
I never said that. I said it is more likely now than in the 60s that trying to organize will result in more raids because of the degree of surveillance that can be done. Individual actors with no outside contact or groups will find success in this fight.
Cinammontoastcrunch
You should have wrote that then instead of what you did, I know what I said isn't what you meant, but it's clearly how many people are interpreting it
TinyOctopus
Yeah. Resistance cells don't usually look for qualified specialists right that minute. And recruiting takes quite a while before an approach. Didn't any Feds watch Andor?
TNSCLuotaMEa4fVN
Shhhh
Leithoa
They wouldn't learn from it if they did.
Comet260
I need to watch Season 2.
DemSumBigAssRidges
Yes you do.
fragglestckcar
It's phenomenal.
Comet260
That's what I hear. 😭
HurrDurrImABurr
Of course not, even they would realize that they are becoming the Empire very quickly.
Caunju
They think Syril is a hero
WhyDontYouMakeMe
Any irony slides right off their pressed and starched brains. They watched it and thought that it was bad ass
TheMomaw
The problem is that the members of the Empire think the Empire is a good thing. You can say with scorn how they are crushing freedom and honesty and justice, and they will reply with total sincerity, "We have to make some sacrifices to create the perfect society. You'll see."
(The fact that all the heroes are on the Rebel side seems to not register)
agonarch
Yeah we need improvement on media literacy. I want to have a series following an Imperial LT against someone like Saw Gerrera so there's a bit more grey in who's the good guy and what's too far, but there's people struggling with it as black and white as it is.
Hell there were people asking about what happened to Tay on Andor (they never say he's after more money, they're not going to pay or that they're going to kill him, it's very implied but not heavy handed enough for some and that's sad)
FelonyFerret
I suspect the smart ones jumped ship, or were fired for asking too many questions
GCRust
Corporate sector pays better, better benefits, and more recognition.
NovemberAlphaMikeEcho
And profits are the core goal, which is at least predictable. In government, ego can override profits (e.g., Trump's excessive spending of taxpayer money to pump up his own ego) so you don't have any stability in terms of what direction your job is heading. One day you may be helping bust pedos, the next day you may be serving a pedo in the Oval Office and wiping records.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Fun Fact, if you meet a tankie, just assume they are a cop, cuz they probably are.
walnutbreath
I just start disregarding anything they say. They aren't serious people.
JohnThatcher
There is a disturbing amount of overlap in the tankie/glowie Venn diagram.
rshini
isn't Glowie a term used by the far-right? Especially given it's ORIGINAL term
JohnThatcher
As I understand it, the term did start in the far right but spread well outside those circles. It originated from "undercover agents being so visible they may as well glow in the dark". If I am misinformed, do correct me.
alexburgers
the original uses the N word in place of agent, IIRC.
kgbofficer
Looking it up the original was a video and the phrase was "CIA N*ers glow in the dark" which 4chan picked up, at least according to here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/glowie
DrBlackJack
Tankie? Wazzat?
Ultratoxic
Remember tianamen square? They are on the side of the tanks. Thus the name.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
Basically a NazBol, e.g. a Nazi Bolshevik, they’re “Nazis with a Soviet aesthetic.” They pretend to be communist while actually being fascist to the core.
GlenL
Basically people that try to claim that the Soviet Union was all sunshine and lollipops
SquirtVonnegut
Tankies are authoritarian communists. The term comes from the 1956 Hungarian Revolution when the Soviet Union sent tanks into Hungary to crush communists who rebelled against their authoritarian policies. Today it's used to describe Leninists and Maoists who have the same disdain for non-authoritarian socialists such as anarchists and certain Marxists.
bippityboppitybuttsex
They are violent revolutionaries on the Left that advocate for violence against capitalism... they are almost always cops.
5amNonsense
That's not what a tankie is at all
DrBlackJack
Ahhh, yeah, that makes total sense.
TwoNineSix
By that definition, I'M a tankie (I'm not actually a tankie, this is a shit definition). An actual tankie is someone who supports authoritarian "communist" regimes.
SquirtVonnegut
They might advocate for violence against capitalism, but in reality they just perpetuate violence against non-authoritarian leftists like anarchists and certain Marxists. If you need help determining is a communist is a tankie, ask them what they think about Stalin or North Korea.
Redshadow09
So they dont actually exist. Like a unicorn of the left and right so desperately want to find and kill. Side note I wonder what would happen of that "tankie" just "disappeared" if you get my drift. Gosh golly , it looks like there are no more provocateurs anymore. And the law enforcement seems to be getting smaller as time goes by. Jee wee batman its sure is a mystery.
bippityboppitybuttsex
The fastest way to turn a protest violent is to allow cops near it....
channelranger
Actually inaccurate. A tankie is someone who is pro russia or china because they say they're "communist" (or at least one of them did.) Generally does a lot of apologia for civil rights violations and slaughters... as long as the country that did it claimed to be communist at the time.
Meltemi
Indeed. The name comes from British leftist infighting in the wake of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and Prague Spring of 1968, when the Soviets twice sent in armed forces to crush Communist governments that began political liberalization and refused to follow the Moscow line. Dissidents breaking with the the party line from Moscow referred to those who continued to support the USSR as "tankies" for supporting the use of tanks to crush democratic liberalization and purge dissenters.
bippityboppitybuttsex
You are correct.... but I have heard the term used to describe violence-seeking Leftists
channelranger
I mostly haven't. That's like, a different thing. That said if some guys at a protest walk up and go "Hey how about that communism, amirite? Say, do any of you leftists know how to cut the power to the police station?" You should probably be pretty suspicious. Anyone recruiting for actual crimes among strangers at a protest is either a cop or a moron.
Feralkyn
They can be wildly fascist too, but their general talking points are that communism isn't bad/Russia was provoked/the US is bad/military response is good
bippityboppitybuttsex
People think things exist in vacuums... Communism isn't bad, per se, but China and the Soviet Union's implementation was super bad, mostly cuz they implemented totalitarian socialism... Russia is always gonna Russia whether it is a Tsar, a General Secy or a President... have you seen the US gov't, it loves killing... and apparently we are about to start bombing Iran...
Feralkyn
Right, but that's all independent of tankies and how they think--I wasn't making any implications about my own beliefs lol