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It should be noted that he does understand what a lower share price means ;)
https://www.axios.com/2023/11/16/elon-musk-antisemitic-claim-tesla-shares
Aaaaand hopefully IBM is just the first of many !
https://www.axios.com/2023/11/17/x-elon-musk-ibm-amazon-apple-ads-antisemitic
Front Page edit : First of all, thank you! Keep fighting the good fight and let us all stay off X / Twitter.
Second is my wish for end of year holidays : please donate some money to shelters of any kind. I was once a recipient of charity and I know money is what they need most.
p.s. What's the reply etiquette, if you don't mind? Is it bad form to answer only some posts?
myCleverUsernameIsEvenMoreClever
Apple too now have paused ads
Icantthinkofacleverusernametouse
I heard on NPR this morning they're doing a story on how the left is loosing millennials and gen xers over the Israel Hamas war. I get the need for more than a two party option but Democrats will at least fight for your ability to vote.
bexxMaker
igglebotato
Dipshit who thinks "cisgender" is a slur is all in on actual hate speech; least surprising film we've ever shown at 11.
Beelsebooob
Jesus christ, what a wanker.
trinxter
Maybe the other companies just did notsee what he was saying.
GerbilHereReportingLiveFromRichardGeresAss
If Musk was just a tiny bit smarter than a bag of inbred hammers then all he'd have to say is "I meant that the Israeli government is bad for attacking Palestinian civilians some of which could be considered white" or something. It's a dumb backtrack but it's better than 'oh yeah the Jews hate white people - I stand by it'. That is the Tony Stark from wish level of intelligence this clown represents.
StopTheWorldIWannaGetOff
I had to google this, so just sharing: dialectical - 1) relating to the logical discussion of ideas and opinions. 2) concerned with or acting through opposing forces. Not understanding it 100%, but I think it means he's supporting someone on X-twitter who said that Jewish people support talks against white people... Did I read that correctly?
echoawoo
So I never got paid for my shares of Twitter when he took over. Clearing house has also blocked my attempts at selling them. They've literally just been in my account for almost 2 years at this point just locked. Surely this is fraudulent.
PTK74
Add revenue drops 50%...Elon:"Hold my beer".
torokunai
* spliff
ICannotSanctionURBuffoonery
Really don't understand why anyone is still humoring this moron by continuing to refer to Twitter as "X"...
sirbartonslady
Billionaires and the super rich are immune to Consequences.
quikfist
SanshinDojo
The last time he lost a bunch of advertisers, he blamed the ADL, or in other words “the Jews”. He’s a bigoted piece of shit.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Oh, boy, do I have some news for you! He blamed the ADL before anyone even gave him shit for it, this time!
SanshinDojo
Sigh. Of course he did. He’s a despicable human being. I hadn’t seen this yet, but it’s definitely on brand for him.
Aristocrats
IBM? The one that helped Nazis tabulate the dead and the loot from the holocaust thinks the Twit has gone too far? Damn, what's next Bayer?
TheIronPenguin
Everything Linda Yaccarino says about Twitter have real "There is no war in Ba Zing Ze" vibes.
FromTheBeyond
If you say anything against Israel, they’ll have your head, but if you are straight up an antisemite, eh, no biggie. Especially if you’re rich.
GlenL
Oh wow, the guy who paid $40 billion to make a social media network more Nazi friendly is an anti-Semite? Big if true
Fyreworx
Can't wait to hear about how the people pulling support are woke and don't support free speech.
crodrigues
elon fans: FREE MARKET, CAPITALISM, EACH ONE DOES WHAT THEY WANT. also elon fans: THEY'RE WOKE FAGS, THIS IS ANTI-FREE SPEECH, CANCEL CULTURE IS WRONG
crodrigues
brainless dumbfucks, and they call others "blind sheep" while they revel on their own monumental ignorance mixed with a heavy dose of stupidity pretending to be intelligence and critical thinking.
Draevan13
Elon: I support free speech! Also Elon: I banned Twitter accounts critical of the Turkish government because said government asked me to.
IceWeaselX
He's no absolutist. He's a free speech abolitionist who can't spell.
Sylphyyy
Can this dude please have his delibitating stroke already.
Clockworkdancerobot
Took them long enough. Companies care about money, not about promoting neo-nazis.
BishlamekGurpgork
In the interests of clarity, IBM wasn't promoting Nazis. Their algorithm found that people promoting Nazis were the effective target market to get clicks on X advertising. I don't disagree that most companies would promote Nazis if they could do so without losing money, though.
FelonyRaptor
Sure. But if promoting neo-nazis made more money than not doing so, they would absolutely do it.
GerbilHereReportingLiveFromRichardGeresAss
They don't care as long as nazi advertising sits right next to their name tbh. That's why IBM pulled out.
Icanhearwhatyouresayingandtheanswerisno
Unfortunately, if both correlate...
swedeonamoose
Ye having morals is all well and good but its kinda shite for making money sadly, i guess in the US it is a lot worse since the population seem so extremely split about everything.
Clockworkdancerobot
Kinda says something about Capitalism and privatization.
dublet
IBM is not the shining example to use here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
Cayowin
He said neo-nazi, not actual Nazis. Else we wouldn't be driving Ford, Mitsubishi or using Beyer products.
meagain2021
Front Page edit : First of all, thank you! Keep fighting the good fight and let us all stay off X / Twitter.
Second is my wish for end of year holidays : please donate some money to shelters of any kind. I was once a recipient of charity and I know money is what they need most.
p.s. What's the reply etiquette, if you don't mind? Is it bad form to answer only some posts?
meagain2021
Is it possible to actually edit a post? I tried but it doesn't seem to work. I use the website on a desktop (so no App) on a Windows OS
trippingthelightfantastic
ruint
that was the point though, to ruin twitter so there's no left or neutral public square in the next US election cycle. US left and neutral news orgs have also been fouled by new billionaire owners. Won't matter in the end. information wants to be free. political news isn't property and the maga yacht club aren't the RIAA. There will be other platforms, even if they're owned by zuckerbot
rshini
some of his investors had that idea, but let's be fucking real: Musk is a fucking idiot with arrested development who thinks being memelord on Twitter is life goals.
SirButcher
An egomaniac like Musk would just shut it down if he wanted to destroy it. It is impossible to imagine he is willing to go this deep just to destroy a platform (and with it, his own image) when he can simply just... not do that. He could shut down the service, stating "It is full of problems we need to rewrite it and oooh boy, it will take years, but I am the hero willing to do it". Musk is simply an egomaniac and a fascist.
ruint
Dems sunsetted elon's biggest cash cow by limiting future EV subsidy to union shops. Musk's main line of profit has always been dipping into the federal purse. He will do anything to protect his unfettered bilking and union busting, like pouring billions into non-viable alternatives to mass-transit to undermine the alternatives to his subsidymobiles. Twitter is just another weaponised business to him. He will turn it into a bank, load it with debt, and walk away with profit.
CheshireCad
If it really is a conspiracy, then just shutting it down would be a poor choice. Then people would be forced to immediately move to a new platform, which he wouldn't have control over. Better to use it to slowly poison the truth, gradually losing users and advertisers. And also because he's an egomaniac and a fascist.
HandoB4Javert
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust IBM were heavily involved in Nazi Germany
Ghostwish
Know who else was heavily involved in Nazi Germany? Germany was. Yeah this is not the hot take you think it is.
lizardbones
lots of companies were. thats not necessarily an indicator of companies current values.
Zephyroku
They don't like this, because this doesn't fit in their bubble Hando, but yeah this is how it was, lots of companies (that are still alove today) did some very questionable things back then. But we don't hear anybody about that, but when Musk says something, oof... suddenly (I literally quote what they write) get "penis cancer", yep...that sounds really smart. -.-
intherelikearmhair
…And Chanel, Bayer, Benz, Volkswagen, Chase Bank, Ford Motors, Dow Chemical, Hugo Boss, Coca-Cola, MGM, Maggi, Kodak, General Electric, Audi. It’s a long list. What is your point in the relation? Causation?
HandoB4Javert
https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/musk-endorses-antisemitic-conspiracy-theory-x-has-been-placing-ads-apple-bravo-ibm-oracle
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textilelover
You do know that the people who made up the corp all those decades ago are not still working there, right? Your comment is akin to "THE DEMS ARE THE PARTY OF THE KKK" when the party platform has switched b/w D and R.
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textilelover
IBM did a good thing! Let's talk about the bad stuff they did when owned and operated by completely different people as if to dismiss the good thing they did! It's silly. Had you said "It's good to see they've changed from their very pro-Nazi stance" that would not be silly.
AgainstMethod
Well see the difference between the guy taking those Nazi contracts and Musk spreading antisemitism is that the guy did it in the past and is dead while Musk is doing it in the present and will keep doing it.
iShadows
Definitely a different generation at IBM, the old one made a ton of money supporting actual Nazis in World War II. Let's hope this marks a real change and that more companies will be uncomfortable with the filth that he supports.
AgainstMethod
It's been a few generations since then
Zephyroku
Lots of companies that provided WW2 with inventions, vehicles, cloth, money are still around today, but this generation doesn't include that. Seems they measure with 2 standards here. (ps i dont say what Musk is doing is good btw, im just outlining the hypocrisy)
kerrigan778
The new one still won't own up to it though. And they didn't just make money supporting Nazis, they provided invaluable technical expertise and technology to carrying out the Holocaust.
MyRespectableAlterEgo
VW, Hugo Boss, Krupp, Bayer... If they're worried about anything it's optics, not ethics.
DespiseEveryone
Ford, Ikea.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
What did FoMoCo do for the Nazis?
DespiseEveryone
Henry Ford is the only American mentioned in Mein Kampf, he was a massive nazi supporter, donated money.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
Yes, but what did the Ford Motor Company do to help the Nazis?
MyRespectableAlterEgo
Ikea can at least hide behind the fact that they were a vassal state at the time - IBM can just shrug, plead ignorance, and say they're not responsible for the customer's use of their product. Clearly it's on their minds though: withdrawing that quickly suggests they keep a close eye on Nazi association. Probably for this exact reason.
DespiseEveryone
The founder was a nazi.
MyRespectableAlterEgo
he was - but at the time Sweden was essentially part of the 3rd Reich so they can make it sound like he was just going along with it and didn't hate anyone and blah blah blah... no one from the allied countries can hide behind that
tarnok
I'm gonna keep deadnaming twitter.
TaggerXA
No reason not to. Its not trademarked X, so its basically just a nickname of sorts, that he desperately wants to stick. It’s still Twitter. Because he cant trademark it, as other hold that for the markets he wants to enter (Facebook/Meta and Microsoft). That would bring even more court cases his way. Kinda surprised it hasnt already.
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
whenever you want to close anything on a computer nowadays you just click the 'x'
Ssargon
I'm done with calling it either. It's either twatter or shitter, whichever my brain decides to load first.
SanshinDojo
torokunai
I just call it xitter, which is what this clown has made it
Detacheddavid
TBH, the site was already a bucket of shit before him. He just trip over the bucket and knocked it over.
albester
Alternatively, "the twitter desperately wanting to be referred to as X".
Pseudosim
The yet to fail company formerly known as Twitter.
LonesomeCoder
"Suspends". What a band of fuckers. They shouldn't "suspend" but "definitely stop" advertising on Twitter
AgainstMethod
Suspending is the first part of stopping, so maybe back off and don't call people fuckers when they're doing the right thing.
LonesomeCoder
Nope, Musk and Twitter have been problematic for months even before that. IBM had time to define a business safe exit strategy. Their action today is all about PR and none about doing the tight thing. So "fuckers" is the nicest name I have for them. And you can respectfully "back off" too
Canofminus
Hopefully that means it’s the first step pending a review of any advertising agreements they might have.
LonesomeCoder
Yeah, I'm not very optimistic about that but i'd be happy to be proven wrong
MyRespectableAlterEgo
Often a crisis-response team will have the authority to take stopgap measures whilst higher management figures out its strategy, messaging to shareholders, campaign management, finances etc. Twitter is a major acquisition channel, so IBM's ethics (or lack of them) don't really enter into it - even if they want to immediately withdraw permanently, shareholder value - as always - comes first.
LonesomeCoder
Interesting, never hear about those crisis response team. But the problems with Twitter and Musk are nothing new. IBM had plenty of time to define an exit strategy. There is just no will to act ethicaly
MyRespectableAlterEgo
Yeah it's usually within the marketing dept. - they'll have a Brandwatch-type program that scrapes social networks for problematic stuff and flags it. If it's bad enough, it gets escalated and they'll jump on AdSense (or equivalent) and suspend their account... but with huge companies across multiple countries utilising a dozen marketing companies it can get complicated. You're right though, it's all about optics and not ethics.
Anarchduke
Well, the ethics of all this is kind of blurry. Executives have a legal and ethical obligation to produce value for their shareholders. But that doesn't mean they must act to maximize shareholder value. https://legislate.ai/blog/does-the-law-require-public-companies-to-maximise-shareholder-value#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20courts%20have%20consistently,by%20personal%20conflicts%20of%20interest.
ionicseraph
I'm still boggled by this mythical race of 'white' people he mentions. They've hated the Slavs, the Poles, the Italians, the Irish, and the Jews, all of whom I'd consider 'white'. WTF even IS white? Do only Americans count as white people?
RoyalOss
Reminds me of that one clip from Community with Pierce's dad.
AgainstMethod
White is a moving target for this reason. You see it most clearly in the porous relationship between White and Latino.
GerbilHereReportingLiveFromRichardGeresAss
To answer this question you'd have to dive into the wonderful world of race purity. It's where Nazis live.
SirButcher
"White = people I like and the group I consider myself member of"
GerbilHereReportingLiveFromRichardGeresAss
That is 100% correct. Because it really doesn't have much to do with any kind of genetic 'purity'. If you're white they might accept you, but as soon as you slip they'll exclude you for hair color. It's all arbitrary, a completely manufactured and pointless metric by which they operate. They consider themselves 'pure' but none of them are at the same time. But they don't like to think about that.
mardukkur
Race is a social construct.
mardukkur
Lol found the racist. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue
Cayowin
From your article "Today, the mainstream belief among scientists is that race is a social construct without biological meaning." the thing you linked to shows that the majority of scientists agree race is a social construct. Which is what the guy you replied to said. Yes it's more nuanced than that but laughing and calling names is a bit rude.
mardukkur
I'm laughing at the idiot who downvoted. Look at the comment names.
GharComs
Look at the usernames.
Maulbert
Fuck this racist, facist, elitist piece of shit. No, calling him a piece of shit is too kind. He is penis cancer in human form.
Fuckweasel
I think of him as a pimple on the ass of humanity.
CommodusLeitdorf
You can take the boy out of the apartheid but you can't take the apartheid out of the boy.
BishlamekGurpgork
Go with gangrene. Cancer is just lethal and impossible to get rid of, we want rotting and festering.
redsmerf
Yeah, shit is at least useful as fertilizer.
majorminers
The puffy kind with the bumps and lesions.
Slimewire
I remember that page from the high school std manual
Zephyroku
I understand your dislike, but 'penis cancer' makes you sound very inmature, lad. Com'n now -.-
dontrike
Would you prefer "cock cancer" for the alliteration?
Zephyroku
The allure of alliteration, an attempt to elevate the discourse with linguistic acrobatics. Yet, much like a poorly executed pun, it seems the impact is lost in translation. You got much to learn young men. You are stepping out of line.
SJohnson23
I imagine I have years on you. Musk is cock cancer.
Zephyroku
You can imagine, but doesn't make it so.
Maulbert
I'm replying to you because that twit blocked me. I got 'penis cancer' as an insult from the film 'The Holdovers', which just came out. Paul Giamatti uses it.
CityYeti
I'd say he's more like ass cancer, since he still gets shit everywhere
ARoseByAnotherUsernameWouldSmellAsSweet
He‘s a wanker tho so…
CityYeti
But he's also an ass
ARoseByAnotherUsernameWouldSmellAsSweet
Truly a mystery for greater scholars than me