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Fuckin' Kennedy, that piece of shit
there was mention of Step 4 as well
"Make a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves"
Link to video here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR4VVrIvIOQ
SuperfluousMeh
Anybody watch Farron cousins' Channel on YouTube called farronbalanced? He used to work with rfkj on another Channel called ring of fire. And he put up a video recently on his channel and he was super pissed at rfkj. Literally told him fuck you. I think rfkj has been the worst appointment from this administration, even worse than hegseth, yes.
Chromentor
Q: Why does he always look constipated?
A: Because he is full of shit.
tomgordon55
Nicley played
firstgrade
DemonKysho
ItAintAllitsCrackedUpToBe
RFK searched and found no morals in his inventory
ThailandExpress
Not as long as my rich buddies in for profit health care can make money from it
allihearisnoise
Personal observation is that many people who class themselves as addicts operate in black and white thinking mentality even when in recovery as the emotional drivers for substance abuse are still there....they are just living a different lifestyle but not a different thought or feeling process.
Calicoastin818
I wonder what Sirhan Sirhan is up to these days
4254
Kennedy had the money for rehab. He doesn't have enough empathy to realize that a lot of addicts who could use some help kicking the habit, are not scions of wealth. Oh, he understands it intellectually, but it is not viscerally real to him.
WhattaMattahYou
if you watch the video (link under image) you'll hear Marc Veasey address that specifically. How Kennedy had money for rehab, but many families do not.
Also did a GREAT job at wrangling Kennedy as he tried to spin out time with rambling bullshit. Held him to YES/NO questions. Nice work overall, less than 5 minutes total
Everyonesfavorite
Nailed it!!
YouRadicalizedMe
What did that cancer say????
powwerbottom
Curious how he answered
supervillin
"Uhahhh well uhhhh, wahhhhh, well uhhhh *clears throat*....."
phobosorbust
this makes me recall Invader Zim screaming "have you the brain worms!!?!??"
bigdix69420
Wow lots of dv
MapleSyrupMafia
Bot farm is probably overheating.
WhattaMattahYou
that's another reason I wanted to post this - I suspect there's a shitton of manipulation on Reddit, and some over here
Clockworkdancerobot
The usual republican/libertarian "Fuck you got mine" attitude that is toxic to basic civilization.
Jewdakris
It's not even that. It's a while bunch of fucks who we right once and now can't not be right no matter what. Imagine if you won the lottery and then bought a lotto ticket every day for the rest of your life and got mad when you didn't win. That's what's wrong with these fucking pieces of shit. Every CEO is like this too. They did one thing right and now they're always right no matter what even when it means firing people at every company they end up at.
grandestgrandeur
Bingo! Only now do the poor shlubs who voted for that orange turd realize that THEY are on the receiving end of the "fuck you" portion of that phrase. Idiots.
ToSisPoS
/boomer
cabalin
But perfectly Christian
wadatahmydamie
Civilization began when we started drowning the libertarians
bourbontheshieldanvil
It's the same party that preaches a religion whose tenets they don't follow, because those tenets (ostensibly) involve helping people and general empathy.
Joylove
“I’m only winning when someone else is losing”
werrywerry
It's anti-humanity. Yes, I am dehumanizing them.
FeedTheNachoMan
Hey now, try to be fair.
They dehumanize themselves.
Metallica93
People with this mentality make me realize how privileged my upbringing was (and my parents could still be pretty conservative, in the own right).
For being the party of "the family unit", their families must fuckin' blow.
WhattaMattahYou
Trump's father was a fucking monster, Kennedy's father was a fucking monster.
I'm sure each of those fellas wanted "their turn as Patriarch" and probably think all men would want same. You know, absolute power and tyranny in the home.
That's the goal. That's why they want to get rid of gay people and women's rights - those are options where the "man of the family" isn't the GodKing
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Bobby Kennedy was a monster? Do you have a source? I mean I'm sure it was traumatizing for his kid to see him be assassinated, but Jr was 6 at the time. I can't see his dad himself having much of an impact before he died.
WhattaMattahYou
Shit, I got my generations confused. His Grandfather was a monster, his Uncle was a monster, his father fucked around but wasn't necessarily monsterous.
Thank you, my bad.
CheeseGreaterGood
I hate how much Christian bullshit is in the 12 steps. Sure, recovery is great, but does it have to be religious‽
oyeahtoys7
I have the power to know my higher self.
I welcome my soul more fully into my life.
I generate positivity and I fill up with light.
OverthinkingThis
Absolutely doesn't have to be, just one of the easier ways to explain some of the steps. There's a reason it doesn't work for everyone.
The annoying part is that the whole "surrender yourself to a higher power" but does have logic to it. But it's phrased badly. It's more about admitting you're not in control, because an addict is constantly fighting with themselves and their own justifications. The "surrendering" step is just a way to explain that they can't (at the time!) trust themselves
burley007
I went to some aa meetings in the navy while I was struggling with depression and the cult like feel that came with it honestly pushed me away from it. I’m not religious, and I felt like they were shoving religion down my throat as a substitute for addiction recovery. Just my experience with it though
Bigemedic
The 12 steps only have to be as Christian as you want them to be.
coastalfoundhound
It doesn't have to be x-tian, but it does require being open to some spiritual power. ( which I have recently renounced). i still believe that it's the most successful program to recovery.
Hrafna55
No. I did it myself. I am my own god.
BeefiusMaximus1
They don't call it the opium of the masses for nothin
DimwitF
Trading one crutch for another
Hawkgirl203
“A power greater than yourself.” For me, in the beginning it was mydog. Every single AA person was fine with that. It’s not that they are religious, just trying to emphasize that there are powers/beings/things that are greater than you. I hoped to hell there were too, because I sure had screwed up everything. It’s really just about believing. And hope. That’s how I interpreted it. And whatever works right? 47 years. I celebrate by having a normal regular day. Something I never had when drinking.
TheMentallyillist
Just checking you’re not dyslexic right? You did mean dog, yes?
BeefiusMaximus1
Can you not deduce that from the rest of his post?
BlueDsc
I admittedly don't know the 12 steps, but what I do know is that damn near every religious drug recovery pamphlet I've seen is straight predatory cult bullshit. Religion should not be part of the equation because it's just taking advantage of those in need for easy fodder.
hyperchondriac
Since there's not really a central leader, and no requirements except a desire for sobriety, it's hard to really call it a cult. There are culty aspects. The 12 steps were started from a Christian group, and later tried to tone it down, but like 90% of the US was Christian in 1935. They also eventually added some pamphlets for atheists and agnostics, but such meetings are SCARCE. In the end, the 12 steps require belief in some benevolent higher power to "work".
allihearisnoise
For an evidence based secular peer based group look up Smartrecovery
hyperchondriac
Secular and non judgemental, but damn, how to put it. If 12 Steps is a cult, then Smart Recovery seems like Amway.
4254
As noted by allihearisnoise, there are non-religious alternatives, so you can get help for addiction, without having to join a cult.
whosbestmom
take what you want and leave the rest--also, higher power of your choosing not necessarily Christian . . .
NCDoofus
Not sure why you're getting downvotes. "If it works, it's not stupid." Seems like good sense to me. Take what works for you, don't worry about what helps others...
Hawkgirl203
Someone really doesn’t like our comments, or our personal experiences.
Dontstopbelever2000ismyfavoritesoap
I chose me as a higher power and they did NOT like that
hyperchondriac
Yeah, that would get some backlash. My take was "If I choose my higher power, then that would mean I was more powerful, because it was my choice. If it was more powerful, it would have to choose me first. But if we are being honest about creators, if there is one, it made me this way to begin with, and would apparently prefer me to not be sober."
Eventually they get tired of arguing and just tell you "keep coming back".
PeaceOnEarthGoodPornToAll
Sober me is my higher power 🤷♂️
DidItForScience
I mean logically, how can you be higher than yourself? Especially without using?
tattoogigolo
If you hit yourself and it hurts… are you strong or are you weak?
supervillin
ThailandExpress
Still means believing in a supernatural being that does not exist
whosbestmom
not for me, I chose nature/serenity which helps me stay sober 'cause I can't experience nature when I'm drunk and the only "serenity" I get drunk is passing out . . .
Bigemedic
You don't have to pick anything that doesn't exist. It just has to be real to you.
And if you don't think there's a power greater than yourself, consider the power addition has over people.
ThisismyconfessionTherearemanylikeitButthisoneismine
So many sums!
InsertTabA
of your choosing.. if you want to go that way it's your choice. Plenty of other options as large as your imagination. If the flying spaghetti monster keeps you clean who cares.
2015Camry
Ramen
hyperchondriac
Step 1 is about being honest with yourself. Step two being telling yourself another reassuring lie seems like a step backwards.
InsertTabA
if the end result of a disease of self deception is a little self deception to achieve a good result is it a bad result.