UngratefulColonial
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https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/08/08/oregon-lawmakers-banned-reelection-walkout-measure-113-lavonne-griffin-valade/70554502007/
Fuck around and find out.
Ten lawmakers accumulated more than 10 unexcused absences during the 2023 legislative session, triggering for the first time the voter-approved Measure 113.
Marine0311
Good. Actions have consequences.
NVGoddesscottage
Done with the pubes!
Stumpkiller
I wish we could do that in New York State.
DontYuckMyYum
10 absences and they lose their job. Walmart only gives us 5 before we get told to fuck off.
BurlRavenscroft
I thought they were challenging this on the basis of "it goes into effect after the next election" or something else idiotic. Glad that's not the case?
newbs511
Definition: fuck around and find out, they found OUT
nanamonster
Yay!
420supercoolusername69
https://www.koin.com/news/politics/explainer-what-does-oregon-measure-113-say-about-lawmaker-absences/
Blightsteel101
They did this crap last year too, which is why the measure was available. Laughing my ass off that these jackoffs won't be around. Love seeing my vote in action.
Blightsteel101
Oh, for those wondering. They were skipping legislation to stall legislation protecting trans folks. Its always about hurting trans kids with these worthless shits
Steeveeo
Non-Paywalled Source: https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2023/05/bucking-new-law-10-oregon-senators-disqualified-from-reelection-with-boycott.html
upvoteFLUFFYthings
Abnet
for how much these cnts get paid, they do surprisingly little "work" and then they just walk out half the time they DO have to work.
greysonhackett127001
Please be fascis-, er, conservatives.
mckjm2
Good, if better than half of Americans missed 10 days of work without calling in they'd be fired.
Rdunzl
Proud to say I voted for this. Fuck around and find out. Karma bitches.
peterbozeman
I like this.
Misteree8
10?! In college just 3 gets you an automatic fail. And in retail you get fired. Ffs they have no excuse for 10+ absences. Id say even 5 is much
hydrocarbon82
Hopefully they'll be able to pull themselves up by their boot straps and learn how to work hard for a change...
LegionPothIX
Politicians only hold office just to pad their resume before going into lobbying.
Eidodk
They want to challenge it in court, but the amended constitution makes it absolutely clear... Oregon constitution Article IV, Section 15 is the measure: https://ballotpedia.org/Article_IV,_Oregon_Constitution
Eidodk
The only lifeline i could see a court could give them, would be that the court could decide it only counts from the day of implementation, the problem is that neither the ballot issue nor the amended constitution mentions anything about "from now and into the future"..
ljsivaCat
Excellent law. Can we do that everywhere?
Robohobo541
HAHA
michaelfire
Is that lawmaker a slime?
JCDenton10
A Law Slime draws near! Command?
gtollie
Triggering Measure 113 … still better than execute order 66. /s
TorPemBoy
Link is for subscribers only
Cornchip2000
As an Oregonian- yyyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssss
Rdunzl
Damn right.
RosiePeaches23
Aww yiss...
mtgjbone
9 R and 1 Independent for those counting at home
OffTheGrid99
Shocking
TinkerThinker42
HIVp0sit1ve69
ProChoiceBaby
cyberspork
Thanks. I was wondering but it was paywalled
PinkyTheUnicorn2
“Independent”. That guy is Brian Boquist, a former special operations soldier turned state senator who, after walking out to block a climate bill, told the press that the State Troopers searching for him and the other Republican walkouts to “send bachelors and come armed”, also known as a terrorist threat.
Blightsteel101
9 R and 1 (R)
thebadger1725
Jteg
Seruously, they tried using procedural tactics to stall all legislation and now they’re going home packing. Unfortunately the next band of Republican dipshits are going to do the same
DorkJedi
Swear in the next batch, INSTANTLY call a procedural vote to change parliabentary rules to allow a 60% vote of PRESENT members to expel any member. Watch this walkout shit end in a heartbeat.
2graves
Bad idea
DidItForScience
Damn that's a pretty low threshold. Sounds a bit dangerous to me. Especially when Republicans have had control before.
Thornaxe
Yup. Don’t cheer for any procedural tool you don’t want the other side to have.
DorkJedi
thing is, republicans will never have a 60% majority there. And without at least majority control, they can't even call a secret sneaky session without inviting democrats. easy enough to eliminate calling a session without notifying everyone.
DidItForScience
Not a good idea to rely on that though. Nobody can predict the future.
OtterAvalanche
Trump will never win. Roe v wade will never be lifted. Repubs will never have a 60% majority there.
dudehiemer
I don't know anything about this law, who determines what is an "unexcused" or excused absence? That question aside, don't show up to work, get fired, that is kinda how things work. . .or not work I guess.
420supercoolusername69
“According to the measure, lawmakers must file paperwork explaining the reason for their absence in order to have it excused. The House Speaker and the Senate President decide if an absence is excused and do not need to explain their reasoning for determining if an absence is unexcused.” - https://www.koin.com/news/politics/explainer-what-does-oregon-measure-113-say-about-lawmaker-absences/
milolin
Should be 5, not 10.
DeadWhiteMale
"do not need to explain" That's not right. I could just see a corrupt house speaker or senate president abusing that.
Eidodk
That's no different from any other job. Your boss does not need to explain why you can't get your PTO on the day you want it. The house speaker and/or the senate president are equivalent to a boss.
theothermeisnthere
Just like school principals. Sounds like it works.
JesaraB
Got a source that's not behind a paywall?
UngratefulColonial
Paywall? I literally Googled that. I have no subscriptions.
InevitableBadger
Google has a standard deal that your first visit direct from a search bypasses the paywall
JesaraB
Link gives me "This content is only available to subscribers.
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UngratefulColonial
itsjustplaid
Maybe a regional thing? It's asking me for a subscription too. Even disabling Javascript does nothing.
UngratefulColonial
I travel and im currently in Arkansas
Steeveeo
This one seems to work. https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2023/05/bucking-new-law-10-oregon-senators-disqualified-from-reelection-with-boycott.html
TrappedInABubbleGumFactory
Perfect, thanks
JesaraB
Thank you!
Revicus
Damn. Normally 12ft.io works for this sort of thing but it looks like it's disabled for this site.
Samerious
Yea I've been using this site when 12ft doesn't work.
Samerious
https://www.printfriendly.com/
Samerious
Aw it doesn't work either l;ame.
Revicus
Thanks anyway! I appreciate the info.
ProChoiceBaby
Don't show up to work, you get fired? Whodda thunk it??!!
xj4low
Especially on the tax payer time.
UngratefulColonial
The entitled.... Bye Felicia
ProChoiceBaby
UngratefulColonial
Stealing this
ProChoiceBaby
UngratefulColonial
Fine stealing this too too
sirava
I'm not sure this law is a good idea overall. However a basic tenet of protest is you may have to accept the consequences of the protest. And if your cause has enough support others will join you. Think about lunch counter sitdowns. These chodes just wanted to throw tantrums and get their way.
ActionJohnnie
And they got their way. Out.
sirava
Yeah I'm not crying that they're getting kicked. Just worried Republicans will find a way to misuse it in the future.
B3N15
Yea, I don't think you should govern on the basis on the fears of how a group might abuse a given law, especially when the group has proven they'll abuse any law in their attempt to throw a tantrum whenever they don't get what they want"
4lmonddragon
If dems start racking up 10 unexcused absences, they'll *deserve* the same treatment. Statewide support for Measure 113 was pretty high.
req4adream99
Republicans will find and then use a any law to their advantage - that’s a given. The idea that Repubs will engage in governance in a good-will manner is as out dated as the idea that flying cars will be available by 2025.
sirava
Yeah they are the party of ends justify the means. Always were but now they don't even pretend.
riplikash
Honestly, that concern crimes up over ANY law, especially a applied to elected officials. We've slowly been gaslit to believe that having ANY rules was standards applied to our politicians is a slippery slope to authoritarianism. It is used to excuse any and all behavior.
sirava
Yeah that's true and I'm not suggesting don't pass these kind of rules. Maybe think of them kind of the way you think of cybersecurity and ask yourself what exploits it might have and try to block them. Disclaimer that I don't live in Oregon and I don't know the law in detail.
TheUglyGuy
But this wasn't a protest. They were outnumbered on the vote and decided (because of Oregon's 2/3 quorum rule) to skip so it couldn't be 1/
TheUglyGuy
voted on. It was pure and simple case of trying to thwart the will of the majority by abusing the system. More than 2/3 majority and they 2/
TheUglyGuy
still couldn't allow it to pass. These fuckers are protesting like the Jan 6 crowd was a "peaceable assembly".
sirava
Yeah, agreed. I was saying even if it was a legit protest there are consequences. If they cared about the issue and not their position, they'd be willing to pay the price.
Harbltron
Just a heads-up, the character limit was raised to 500, so you don't have to split up your posts unless you're essaying.
TheUglyGuy
Or if, like me, you hate the new interface and keep using the old one.
AisforApple
Protip: If you wanna use the old interface, but need more characters for a reply, open the permalink in an incognito window and log in. It will load the new UI with 500 char limit, but wont knock you off the old UI for your general viewing.
TheUglyGuy
Good tip, but way more work than I'm likely to put into one of my off-the-cuff imgur responses.
Tom40
The phrase “unexscused absence” is one I haven’t heard since high school. +1 for just that.
Rebar77
TRUENT!
GravyEducation
Was gonna say. They got slapped with kiddie rules in a very adult situation and it's pretty cathartic
shyasen
I think this really applies considering many politicians who are adults act like ignorant teenagers who "know everything". Next they need a detention rule for every unexcused absence.
jursamaj
There's a lot of other things they need detention for…
technofiend
Right? Apparently it went on their permanent record! There really is such a thing! And it's on theirs! Sweet, sweet schadenfreude. If it was dyed red, I'd dip my egg roll in it.
HandoB4Javert
GratuaCuun
GratuaCuun
Now we just need them to do regular 'shooter in the building' drills and 'no free food' and maybe they'll start thinking about how they treat our kids...
Gdan79
'No show no call' tends to be the employment term ;)
Perturaboss
good job linking to a subscription newsite that the rest of us cant read, whats with you clowns today, is it all media sites advertising on here right now?
HandoB4Javert
https://archive.ph/dtjNE
UngratefulColonial
It worked fine for me and I don't have a subscription to any news site.
Tom40
Not that I disagree, but I didn’t link to anything. I’m not @op.
MechaNinja
Hahaha we have those at Tesla. If you have sick time to cover it, it is excused, otherwise fuck you!
laughoutloud74
I work at Walmart. There are things that are excused. Death of a family member. Hospitalization. Natural disaster, helping to clean up a natural disaster. Military deployment. Extreme weather conditions. There's one more I can't remember. Sick with a Dr's note is not one of them. Your allowed 5 unexcused absence in a rolling 6 mo period. Supposed to be termination on the 5th. It not really enforced in our store. They wouldn't have anyone left.
Housemaster
Is that for the Tesla employees? Or does the Tesla just drive away once their owner feels unwell.
MechaNinja
Mostly employees. That pos ain't driving itself nowhere with you paying extra.
MechaNinja
Without you paying extra ...