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Feb 15, 2022 4:57 AM
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StunttheRunt
Yes. I noticed the main theme between talk with friends about who wins the lotto is that we spread it around and people we know get a home.
PantheraTigrisKittyKats
The quote is not true even for food. Have you all heard about the hunger problem in africa?
Nikolai5
Your Twitter post isn't quite as good of an argument as Housing Corpo's "donation" to various political entities.
Chronoroth
This is quite literally a case of, "You're damned if you do and damned if you don't."
Szavor
The US just voted in a UN poll AGAINST food being a human right....so we still got a ways to go....
laserfork
Love to live in a country with several times more unoccupied homes than homeless people while we "struggle with growing homelessness".
Gibramovic
That would be ?communism?, ?capitalism? is letting rich people hoard things in order to take more money from poor people when sold.
CoarseAndSalty
Or also for plates.
minipancho94
Novel idea, exponentially increasing taxes on properties. In short, make it so anything after a 2nd/3rd property has diminishing 1/2
minipancho94
Returns. At a certain point, its only losses. Actual laws would need to be more complex of course, but the basic idea prevents hoarding 2/2
ATribeofAfricanNatives
This is the way to do it.
minipancho94
yep, the tricky part is finding a comfortable medium that lets normal people still be full time landlords without making loopholes for banks
Felcomic
Stop that socialist talk right now. If you weren't born with a home, then too bad for you, go live under a bridge.
Magus25
Can we also do that with you know, food? Some poor bastard out there digging through trash for his next meal.
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
Easier with housing. People only need one house and they’re good for a few years, food is a continuous need
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
I do agree though
CheeseborgarSoop
There are five times more empty houses and apartments in the world than there are homeless people. It's a problem we could fix in a month.
ShamanOfHigh
most of the empty ones are empty for a reason; not hooked up to utilities, not up to code on structural integrity, not close enough to shops
unluckyandbored
Most of the time though that reason is "Landlord wants more money"
loma45
Any landlord will tell you the absolute WORST thing is to have an empty unit. Most will drop asking price after a month of vacancy
ShamanOfHigh
landlords getting $0 a week from an empty room, you think they want more money than $0 and that's why its empty? I think there's more to it
Vyrro
My friend is a tenured professor at a resoectable university...he still can't afford s house
eightyearplan
Unions should be organizing mutual aid groups.. (& buying housing to rent (at-cost) to members). Beyond that, college campuses, staff..
eightyearplan
grad students, students.. should be working on practical solutions to their own & community problems (in smart peer networks).
RadonGaming
I know prof salaries (UK). They definitely can, by leaps and bounds. Does he have lots of optional expenditure? Debt? Etc.
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
If they’re talking about tenure, it’s probably the US, we treat educational careers better in the UK. Not great but it’s still better
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
Also you forget that some places are very expensive to live in, it’s difficult to own a house in London on teaching salary for example
RadonGaming
That is true. But I'd expect 'London' to be stipulated due to that bubble. Most Academic salaries match very well with cost-of-living
Iwouldbenick
Finally in a position to buy a home...Every offer we made "sorry, we went with another offer"
LesbianRedwings
@ScorpionSage
ScorpionSage
That would be nice
LesbianRedwings
Eat the rich.
WonderfunkJones
I pay an absurd amount of money for a studio apartment.
LANAAAAAAAAAA
In SF the cheapest studio I could find was $1800 p/m and I was LUCKY to find that! It was directly above the garbage room and had one window
alman1234
To that end I feel very fortunate to be living in the Sac area, paying $1770/mo for 2 bed 2 bath duplex with a garage…
JackedUpGinger
So cal, Ventura county: $2500 cheapest 1 b1bath apartment available
JackedUpGinger
Which, mind you, was a $450 increase from 6months and 1year ago
LANAAAAAAAAAA
I'm from SB, believe me I know. My dad likes to say I should just move back home. Oh ok are you going to pay half of my rent that I can't?
Bobalobadingdong
Austin TX was 33% investors last year, that means normal home buyers faced 50% increased competition due to Corporations & 3rd-home-buyers
Bobalobadingdong
Sauce: https://www.kut.org/austin/2022-02-08/trying-to-buy-a-home-in-austin-so-are-investors
QuamvisSintSubAqua
Vienna had an extreme housing problem in the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, with literal slums and all. They started building 1/
QuamvisSintSubAqua
Large, decent rental blocks in the 1920, financed by a dedicated communal tax (Wohnbausteuer), and didn't stop till today. Now we have 2/
QuamvisSintSubAqua
43% of the households renting public housing or a private social housing, 19% in self owned flats and houses, and the rest in private rental
QuamvisSintSubAqua
It all starts with continual public investment, which I think will be controversial in the USA.
plantatreeanytree
The basics. Housing food healthcare...
AtsaMattaForMe
wait, you guys have housing?
GondwanaCraton
You guys have plates? And seconds?
MelfsAcidArrow
That’s what we are trying to do
mastikator
No, it's like 5 people who own everything
reichstein
And 3 of those people are actually the same person just with some clever paperwork.
isavedlatin2x
And the other two are a bunch of rats in a trenchcoat.
film888master9
Wait you guys have plates?
UsertubeBandwagon
you HAVE things?
iSoul95
You guys Have?
Filanwizard
one part of this other than hedge funds is the wrong kind of homes are being built. big lots with McMansions
Filanwizard
So we are making bigger poorly made plates, rather than many well made plates. (McMansions are known for poor build quality).
BigFatUglyBugFaceBabyEatingOBrian
How about a simple number cap? You can buy 3 or 4 houses that’s it. Should be more than enough right
ZebraCockSandwich
right now the biggest issue is corporations buying up all the houses at higher than asking price, then hiking the price for resale driving 1
ZebraCockSandwich
the market up and up - I'd say there should be a cap on the number of 'uninhabited, for-sale' homes a corp can own at any given time, which2
ZebraCockSandwich
would encourage them to sell quickly (lower price) and prevent them from hoarding properties. you might also want to set a maximum amount 3
ZebraCockSandwich
time they are able to hold those properties if they remain uninhabited, there are lots of little nuances, but it would be a good start to 4
ZebraCockSandwich
slow the market hike and encourage them to sacrifice large profits on a single property, in favor of quick turn around so they can 5/
Thisguyrighthereagain
I keep seeing people defending small scale landlords because they’re ‘just trying to make a living’. No. They’re taking money which should
kestryll
I know plenty of people that prefer to rent. And when I rented, I preferred small landlords. Just bc some are shitty, don’t mean all are.
ZebraCockSandwich
my husbands best friend owns 3 rental houses, and provides housing to section 5 families so they have an affordable place to live.
therealpopkiller
Hey man my landlord is just trying to make a living off of all 15 of his properties
Thisguyrighthereagain
be paying off that person’s mortgage. They’re driving up property prices. They’re deciding what kind of people should live in their property
Thisguyrighthereagain
, deciding who they should live with, whether they should be allowed such frivolities as pets, what colours they can paint their walls…
Thisguyrighthereagain
All the while they charge the absolute maximum they can get away with and 99% of the time do the minimum work possible to ensure they’re
Thisguyrighthereagain
providing a safe, happy, clean place to live. Landlords are fucking parasites, making money off you because they made enough money
Thisguyrighthereagain
to do so before you. Rental property should only exist in the hands of local authorities, and as an organisation where every penny of rent
TurkeyFarmsBlelluh
The problem with that, is that to achieve it...we kinda gotta do a bit of communism.
ScorpionSage
Socialism, and yes because socialism is an equitable system.
stardraigh
A new law where ownership on having to live there more than half the year. If one does not, then the state seizes the residence and sells it
JustAnotherCynicToo
Sounds fiddly. Like how "squatting rights" gets. To make it air tight law would take an amount of surveillance I'd be uncomfortable with.
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
Just takes a few letters a year at random times to sign and send back within a week. If you don’t respond they investigate
stardraigh
Filing taxes will show what the primary residence is for residents and Corps (treated as humans) don't live in residential houses.
mondomar
Yes please. I know to many people who own multiple houses and I still rent.
MrBurgerPants
Because it's an appreciating asset and investment? I owned a house about 5 years before I could actually afford to live in it.
ccpr
Houses aren't stocks though. They do not follow the usual free market choice constraints (for many reasons). Housing shouldn't be an 1/
ccpr
investment (within reason) just as life-saving medicines shouldn't be an investment (within reason).
ccpr
Of course there is some room in there for investment - but we've left that point a long time ago regarding housing 3/3
AngurProne
If you are in Polk County, Iowa... look up IMPACT. They have(had?) both state and fed funds to pay your current and back rent, stopping /@
AngurProne
Evictions. Also look up Hawkeye care to get FREE health insurance for your children. Polk Co takes care of its peeps./@
phonoodle415
Yeeeep. Same hurrrr bud
AngurProne
I may get hammered for this. I know a few guys who purchased multi-unit properties(duplex, apartments) with their money. 2 of the 3 saved /1
SergeantExplosion
Everyone's situation is different= they're still banking on others base needs
ccpr
Due to career reasons, i have to move a lot internationally, so absolutely rely on landlords. There is a valid path there, fully agree. 1/
ccpr
But living frugally so you can buy houses and rent them out for more money sounds more like frontrunning rather than a career. 2/
ccpr
People like me who NEED to rent because we move every two years are the minority. And if those with stable incomes can't buy a house, 3/
ccpr
or need to pay an absolute fortune, while others have bought several houses to rent out to the former, that's not really a productive 4/
AngurProne
EVERY DIME to buy rentals. Including having their family in rentals. And those 2 were in armed forces(1 Army 1 AF) the 3rd chucked /2
AngurProne
Packages at UPS and lived BROKE. He ate Ramen packs so he could get the $$ for his n first house. Then he lived in an apartment so he /3
AngurProne
Could afford to rent the house. All 3 sacrificed stuff to get there. I had a phone w data, they had flip phones. I had Netflix, they would/4
AngurProne
Rent a movie every couple weeks from Blockbuster. Not every landlord is an evil shit. It was a valid career path. Villainizing every /5
lordvetinariofankhmorpork
oh jees not this sh!t again.. the problem is not a guy with a second house. the problem is the corportation with 5000
therealpopkiller
lordvetinariofankhmorpork
You could.. but see how well that worked out for the Russians but hey by all means try it for yourselves
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
You can say A LOT of bad things about the Soviet Union. So many things. But they actually had really low rates of homelessness.
lordvetinariofankhmorpork
That is because they shoved everyone (and i mean 3 families) in 2-room appartments. It easy to solve homelessness when you have labour camps
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
And I'm sure we won't find anyone living in worse conditions in the US, right? And hate to break it to you, but we've got labor camps too.
disgruntledtruckdriver
You know, saying I think I should be able to buy a house before a boomer buys his 5th rental property doesnt mean I want to be a Soviet.
ligmabolz
Tax the rich. Some people work 2 jobs for years to buy a home or an investment property
mcberg1337
If the rich get their way it'll be everybody except them and 3 jobs.
Dukeboysz
Bruh I work 3 rn and cant afford a house within a 45 min commute to work. I dont sleep and I eat like shit. I cant with med bills.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
Well, 'medical bills' are another thing that shouldn't exist.
Dukeboysz
Preach
nelliejonz6
Are you taking the piss? I work two jobs to pay rent! And I have a degree.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Dude. A load of people work for years and never buy so much as a cardboard box.
JohnSmithterms
Need to tax 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc home rental investments too. I would put money down that it's the biggest cause for price rises.
GuacamoleMoleMolester
Investment property? Work 10 jobs if you want. We're talking about roof over one's head.
eightyearplan
Officially, yes, our strategy & proposed laws should be getting middle-class voters against the worst mega billionaires & land hoarders..
eightyearplan
but technically, a bunch of people buying second homes to rent out is still a huge problem.. (and many of those vote against apartments)
eightyearplan
Invest in companies, even better- green, ethical, even worker-owned companies, or portfolios.. and the world would be a better place..
eightyearplan
Pretty easy now, though some more work could make that easier for more people, but unofficially, there's nothing heroic or noble about
eightyearplan
2nd home investment / landlordism.
Intrspace
Maybe you guys would have more housing available if you replaced your suburbs with blocks of flats ;)
Skywatcher16
we would also have it if those suburbs werent absurdly overpriced and constantly being bought out by big business
eightyearplan
not a huge surprise, but old laws for zoning are racist and classist.. https://youtu.be/SfsCniN7Nsc
eightyearplan
- though I will add that beyond fighting over breadcrumbs, which is noble, there's also good reason to design new sustainable towns..
eightyearplan
just outside of cities, and not have to deal with the nimbys.
PikaChunin
It's not about having housing available. It's about 1: allowing housing to be build, especially inexpensively and 2: prohibiting landlords.
PikaChunin
It's okay for someone to briefly rent a place, but it should be affordable enough to own a home that this isn't necessary. Buying out many
PikaChunin
homes just to rent them is toxic profiteering and provides little to no justifiable benefit to renters. Affordable housing solves it all.
Shellzie2010
It's not always practical to buy. There were about 13 years while my husband and/or I were in school when it made way more sense to rent
PikaChunin
Sure. Now imagine if it cost half as much to buy. That is reasonable and feasible if homes and property weren't used as investment engines.
Shellzie2010
Even though we could have afforded a house during part of that
lordvetinariofankhmorpork
I wish all these keyboard warriors in here could have spent one month in some Soviet state housing and experience property redistribution.
BenjyX55
lordvetinariofankhmorpork
well...what do you call people calling for the redistribution of private property?
kakivara
Why? Because our only options are predatory capitalism, or Marxism-Leninism? That's as far as your worldview allows you to imagine?
lordvetinariofankhmorpork
no but when every third comment on such posts involves eating landlords it is pretty clear that what most people seem to go for
kakivara
Clear to you, maybe, not clear to me. People are calling for reform. People are acknowledging that the current system is not working. That
kakivara
doesn't automatically mean we're going to implement the worst kind of communism possible. Lighten up.
lordvetinariofankhmorpork
Again. I am not against people calling for reform.. i am against idiots saying kill the landlords
eightyearplan
There are more options besides what we have now and stalinism.
lordvetinariofankhmorpork
It doesn;t sound like that from the majority of comments here who think anyone with and extra flat is by default a parasite
eightyearplan
Current conditions are not solving the problem of affordable housing for a lot of people.. while I share your concern, generally,
eightyearplan
that too many internet people call for revolution.. our answer has to be to help good programs and orgs to solve these problems in good ways
FletcherGB
Landleeches ARE parasites.
lordvetinariofankhmorpork
Only because you aren't one
lordvetinariofankhmorpork
Case and point....
FletcherGB
https://i.redd.it/auloux882po41.jpg