You aren't even obligated to be peaceable. When masked Nazis are kidnapping people in broad daylight, stopping them with whatever force required to do so is absolutely legal. No warrant? Then they are violating the law and everyone has every right to fight back using whatever force is required. How in the fuck was I supposed to know they were federal agents? They refused to identify themselves and were wearing masks.
You know, I've asked this question before, and never gotten a answer other than vague platitudes, but what actions actually constitute a violation of that social contract? Where is the line? What is the minimum level of action that frees the tolerant to use violence against those who have breached that contract?
No, that's the thing. "Everyone Knows". Problem is, everyone "knows" something different. The phrase is a cop-out for being unwilling to define the contract, or engage in discussion about it. Instead, it's used as an excuse to commit violence against anyone we disagree with, claiming they've "broken the contract, when in reality, if you can't define the terms of the contract, the phrase is meaningless babble.
Ummm, I know the answer to the question I just know better than to answer any “define such and such” from a random person on the internet. But I’ll bite:
Any intolerant behavior breaks the social contract to the extent that the person or group is being intolerant. Tolerance extends to the limit upon which the individual legal and social rights infringe upon another’s.
Not sure about the 1st sentence, but the 2nd seems to make sense. I'm not sure what "social rights" are, but the legal rights are what (should be at least) defined as the social contract. They are (in theory) decided upon by a majority of the society as the ground rules for how we interact with one another. Thus, free speech, but not hate speech. Of course we're human, so sometimes the definitions are squishy by default. My original comment was motivated by the use of the tolerance/
MyDogTige
I'm not obligated to be kind when people are forcing their thoughts, beliefs and ways of life on me when I never asked them to.
Kablooeeey
You aren't even obligated to be peaceable. When masked Nazis are kidnapping people in broad daylight, stopping them with whatever force required to do so is absolutely legal. No warrant? Then they are violating the law and everyone has every right to fight back using whatever force is required. How in the fuck was I supposed to know they were federal agents? They refused to identify themselves and were wearing masks.
Awmph
self defense is self defense
SpaceHaggis
So you choose violence with people you disagree with?
WholesomeAsFuck
🤡
SpaceHaggis
Enjoy your jail time ⛓️⚖️🚨🚓🚔👮
WarlockSniper
And you wonder why we call you a Nazi.
Fuck off, Nazi.
SpaceHaggis
Im not the one wanting to attack people i disagree with you lying peice of shit.
WarlockSniper
But you are, Nazi.
Now fuck off.
Eddyrock
Tolerance is a social contract. If someone violates that agreement they are not entitled to be treated with tolerance.
Hyzenthlay021
You know, I've asked this question before, and never gotten a answer other than vague platitudes, but what actions actually constitute a violation of that social contract? Where is the line? What is the minimum level of action that frees the tolerant to use violence against those who have breached that contract?
HorseDeepInADragon
Incitement
Hyzenthlay021
A little vague, but given the other responses on my comment, and those I've gotten in the past, I'll accept it for consideration.
Zyrixion
When you open your mouth and say shit that makes you a bad person for thinking, much less saying.
Hyzenthlay021
Oh, so any speech that doesn't meet your personal standards is a licence to repress that speech though the use of force. Good to know.
Zyrixion
No, there's just no point giving an actual, in-depth answer to a bad faith question.
Eddyrock
I’m pretty sure everyone understands the line. I think that you demand it to be explained is a bit of a red flag.
Hyzenthlay021
No, that's the thing. "Everyone Knows". Problem is, everyone "knows" something different. The phrase is a cop-out for being unwilling to define the contract, or engage in discussion about it. Instead, it's used as an excuse to commit violence against anyone we disagree with, claiming they've "broken the contract, when in reality, if you can't define the terms of the contract, the phrase is meaningless babble.
Eddyrock
Ummm, I know the answer to the question I just know better than to answer any “define such and such” from a random person on the internet. But I’ll bite:
Any intolerant behavior breaks the social contract to the extent that the person or group is being intolerant. Tolerance extends to the limit upon which the individual legal and social rights infringe upon another’s.
Hyzenthlay021
Not sure about the 1st sentence, but the 2nd seems to make sense. I'm not sure what "social rights" are, but the legal rights are what (should be at least) defined as the social contract. They are (in theory) decided upon by a majority of the society as the ground rules for how we interact with one another. Thus, free speech, but not hate speech. Of course we're human, so sometimes the definitions are squishy by default. My original comment was motivated by the use of the tolerance/