Y'all remember the poem? It's happening now. Stop worrying about breaking the law or your petty morality. The fascists have to die. Our systems for changing who is in power don't matter now, they're in charge of the systems, the government. All we have left is the power of overwhelming violence.
"... stopping individuals without reasonable suspicion and from relying solely on four factors – alone or in combination – including apparent race or ethnicity; speaking Spanish or English with an accent; presence in a particular location like a bus stop, car wash, or agricultural site; or the type of work a person does. "
So, stopping ANYONE without reasonable suspicion is illegal and will get anything found tossed as without probably cause... being 'brown' is now 'reasonable suspicion' for ICE and other racist cops, but I repeat myself.
given such ridiculously vague definitions, I dont know why they did just outright say they can do whatever they want, because thats exactly what this appears to mean
I am painfully confident that if(when) they do that, its not going to just be latinos, but approximately everyone who isnt a cis white "christian" maga male
That's funny but, DHS assistant secretary for public affairs Tricia McLaughlin said, quote, "allegations ICE law enforcement officers are engaging in racial profiling are disgusting and categorically false." She added that what makes someone a target of ICE is if they are illegally in the U.S., not their skin color, race or ethnicity.
Are you actually stupid enough to believe that bullshit? Or do you just want to stir shit up because you can't get any sort of social interaction without being an idiot and spreading blatant bullshit?
Assuming, for a moment, that I take for granted that you actually believe this: How do they know who is or is not here illegally? Because you have to grant that they're not asking everyone to prove their legal status, only certain people. What criteria are they using to determine who to question/detain? Because, last time I checked, nobody is walking around with a glowing neon sign that says "citizen" or "non-citizen".
That's what they say, but if it were true, then they would establish reasonable suspicion that someone is in the US illegally BEFORE arresting them, and wouldn't need the supreme court to allow them to bypass that.
yes, so stopping someone on the street because they look "illegal" is still not allowed under the SC's action, because you can't have reasonable suspicion of illegality by outside appearance, no matter how dark you are. so racism is clearly the reason for this entire deportation scam
This is why tiny octopus carries his CAC ID now wherever he goes. Sure, he's Asian, and one of the "good minorities", but after the Hyundai raid and other kidnappings, nobody is safe unless they're lily white.
Unless you're one of the upper echelons, nobody's safe.. some skin tones are just safer.
They're still detaining and deporting white bread white folks- like that Irish woman recently- who they claimed "financial turpitude" for bouncing a $25 check ten years prior.
It's minorities in droves, though, unfortunately. But none of us should hold any illusion we're safe. Not unless were super rich white straight men.
I don't think any of us are safe. They're already talking about declaring the DNC to be a terrorist organization, so sooner or later they'll come for the liberals. I've been hearing about this from the right wing for decades. My own sister said there need to be "zoos" for liberals to be put into, that only Republicans are qualified to govern.
So, I carry a Passport card and I am lily white... I do not expect ICE to give a shit if they are intent on detaining me (my guess is they would just throw it away and say it never existed... hell, family bringing birth certificates to court hasn't gotten someone released from ICE detention).
I am an EU citizen, and a permanent resident of the US. I'm of Tatar descent, which means that I tan terribly dark, up to the point of failing the brown bag test, but out of the sun become white enough (for now)
For the last year, I have been wearing tropical wear, and wide brimmed hats in addition to sunscreen. I carry my green card, as well as a copy of my passport. I agonize over whether I should carry the actual passport... but I am afraid that it will get "lost" if I am picked up.
It's not shit being an actual fucking citizen isn't enough as another pointed out a family brought their fucking birth certificate to court and still couldn't get the guy out.
The current undesirables are brown and rainbow people for the time being. It's just a matter of time before they come for the smart old dudes. Palantir has all my data now. As if it's not bad enough that I've been sharing it with Google for 20+ years.
Even the bluest of states can be a little red on the inside. Although I live in a blue state, my county and particularly my town are deeply red. It's been many elections that a Democrat hasn't even bothered to run in a town election.
KommanderKayriel
Y'all remember the poem? It's happening now. Stop worrying about breaking the law or your petty morality. The fascists have to die. Our systems for changing who is in power don't matter now, they're in charge of the systems, the government. All we have left is the power of overwhelming violence.
invisiblemaniac
Hey, be fair. It's being brown AND being in public. That's like TWICE the criteria.
phoony
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
"Powerless to help you, not punish you."
oldscrotumthewrinkledretainer
Where does orange fit in on this scale?
Dannyalcatraz
See also the “brown paper bag” test.
mpoc1958
AAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!! THE SCREAMING VOID IS NOT BIG ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!
Illinifan88
Sounds like we're going to have to end some of their terms.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
My bet is after they deported immigrants they will try to create prison slave labor plantations
ashleycampos383
14th amendment
hotaru251
So America gonna start going to Arab ways and wear outfits that hide entire body so nobody can judge your race in public?
NeverDownvoteMelBrooks
What happens when they find out that Español comes in so those colors?
LyvPhreeOarDye
"... stopping individuals without reasonable suspicion and from relying solely on four factors – alone or in combination – including apparent race or ethnicity; speaking Spanish or English with an accent; presence in a particular location like a bus stop, car wash, or agricultural site; or the type of work a person does. "
https://www.aclusocal.org/en/press-releases/us-supreme-court-grants-stay-la-raids-case
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, stopping ANYONE without reasonable suspicion is illegal and will get anything found tossed as without probably cause... being 'brown' is now 'reasonable suspicion' for ICE and other racist cops, but I repeat myself.
Renza0
given such ridiculously vague definitions, I dont know why they did just outright say they can do whatever they want, because thats exactly what this appears to mean
bippityboppitybuttsex
My guess is we will return to a pre-Civil War SCOTUS that will say, that Latinos "had no rights which the white man was bound to respect"
Note: the above is a literal quote from Chief Justice Taney in Dred Scott v Sanford 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857)...
Renza0
I am painfully confident that if(when) they do that, its not going to just be latinos, but approximately everyone who isnt a cis white "christian" maga male
RIxspacexCK
That's funny but, DHS assistant secretary for public affairs Tricia McLaughlin said, quote, "allegations ICE law enforcement officers are engaging in racial profiling are disgusting and categorically false." She added that what makes someone a target of ICE is if they are illegally in the U.S., not their skin color, race or ethnicity.
RIxspacexCK
The truth shall set you free s/
Fantelroy
What are you, a buffoon?
BellsTheorem
Tell that to the 300 S. Koreans who were detained WHILE HERE ON A VISA. Also the many native Americans and other US citizens of color being detained.
Lexgeddon
So you're one of those side characters from The Invention of Lying, aren't you?
Foxplay
Holy fuck take all the downvotes and open your fucking eyes
Clockworkdancerobot
Gee, almost what they say and what is actually happening are two different things. Like... Republicans have been since ever.
AreYouABadPerson
Are you actually stupid enough to believe that bullshit? Or do you just want to stir shit up because you can't get any sort of social interaction without being an idiot and spreading blatant bullshit?
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, a PAO pushed a party line lie and you believed it... so weird.
PrincessAris
Assuming, for a moment, that I take for granted that you actually believe this: How do they know who is or is not here illegally? Because you have to grant that they're not asking everyone to prove their legal status, only certain people. What criteria are they using to determine who to question/detain? Because, last time I checked, nobody is walking around with a glowing neon sign that says "citizen" or "non-citizen".
ontarioOT
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1eTRwNXpzOG03Nm8zbmh0MzdqNm9jcjZ3dnhkMGxuenBzZ3R1aThvZCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/l2Z84eFooeHJu/200w.webp
AndTheArghnauts
Wake up bootlicker
Tyrannotron
That's what they say, but if it were true, then they would establish reasonable suspicion that someone is in the US illegally BEFORE arresting them, and wouldn't need the supreme court to allow them to bypass that.
RIxspacexCK
yes, so stopping someone on the street because they look "illegal" is still not allowed under the SC's action, because you can't have reasonable suspicion of illegality by outside appearance, no matter how dark you are. so racism is clearly the reason for this entire deportation scam
Clockworkdancerobot
Your first comment came off a bit.. like it was justifying it. I realized, but the initial reaction sounds like the usual sanewashing.
TinyOctopus
This is why tiny octopus carries his CAC ID now wherever he goes. Sure, he's Asian, and one of the "good minorities", but after the Hyundai raid and other kidnappings, nobody is safe unless they're lily white.
WhattaMattahYou
My people come from under rocks, in caves. I'm astonishingly fucking white.
Been using it for good, speaking Spanish with the SO in public.
If I can normalize Spanish, inconvenience ICE, or shut down a fuckin' bigot it's a good day.
sydneyg8888
And probably even then only if they aren’t recording with their phone and have no sandwiches.
TheMightyMollusk
Paperwork only matters if they bother to check it before they throw you in a van and send you to the camps.
PolitiCat
Have you considered moving to Europe? Everything is better here than in the US.
MaybeIllDisappear
Well, I'm white and trans, so I'm not safe either. But I do worry for my POC friends too.
LanceSackless
Papers, please.
arumunus
Unless you're one of the upper echelons, nobody's safe.. some skin tones are just safer.
They're still detaining and deporting white bread white folks- like that Irish woman recently- who they claimed "financial turpitude" for bouncing a $25 check ten years prior.
It's minorities in droves, though, unfortunately. But none of us should hold any illusion we're safe. Not unless were super rich white straight men.
FireSolvesProblems
Dude I'm German/Irish/Italian but I do lawn care for a living & I'm feeling tempted to carry my passport & get the enhanced license.
rubypilgrim
I don't think any of us are safe. They're already talking about declaring the DNC to be a terrorist organization, so sooner or later they'll come for the liberals. I've been hearing about this from the right wing for decades. My own sister said there need to be "zoos" for liberals to be put into, that only Republicans are qualified to govern.
sardonislamir
Be safe. They don't care what identification you have, and likely won't check anyway. Racist are thoughtless haters.
autofire
Still waiting for you on s3nd.pics
TinyOctopus
autofire
Oh hell yeah! Good shit <3
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, I carry a Passport card and I am lily white... I do not expect ICE to give a shit if they are intent on detaining me (my guess is they would just throw it away and say it never existed... hell, family bringing birth certificates to court hasn't gotten someone released from ICE detention).
Tuidjy
I am an EU citizen, and a permanent resident of the US. I'm of Tatar descent, which means that I tan terribly dark, up to the point of failing the brown bag test, but out of the sun become white enough (for now)
For the last year, I have been wearing tropical wear, and wide brimmed hats in addition to sunscreen. I carry my green card, as well as a copy of my passport. I agonize over whether I should carry the actual passport... but I am afraid that it will get "lost" if I am picked up.
bippityboppitybuttsex
I no longer believe a green card is enough to save you here any more.
Revnis
It's not shit being an actual fucking citizen isn't enough as another pointed out a family brought their fucking birth certificate to court and still couldn't get the guy out.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Yeah, it was me... it was in FL... they eventually got him out after a few days.
iggylights
The current undesirables are brown and rainbow people for the time being. It's just a matter of time before they come for the smart old dudes. Palantir has all my data now. As if it's not bad enough that I've been sharing it with Google for 20+ years.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Same... my hope is my state secedes and protects our privacy....
iggylights
Even the bluest of states can be a little red on the inside. Although I live in a blue state, my county and particularly my town are deeply red. It's been many elections that a Democrat hasn't even bothered to run in a town election.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Yeah, the downside of 'Liberals'... the Corporate Democrats will stab you in the back 50 times while saying they want to protect you from fascism.