"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." --Lyndon B. Johnson
I think about this quote damn near every day these days.
Imagine the cries of dementia and insanity if Biden had floated the idea to annex Greenland. Suddenly ever MAGAt would be an expert on sovereign nations and their desire for independence.
Am I imagining things, or is old age starting to affect Obama? And I'm not talking about the gray hair either, but other physical and physiological symptoms.
This shit of a president gave Israel a contract of 3 billion a year for 10 years with OUR TAX DOLLARS. And what he did to Gaddafi…. Smh don’t get me started.
Anyone that has kissed that wall should NOT be a president
Goddammit, we had all 3 branches for a hot minute. I wish we had been more aggressive. If only we had known what was coming, maybe we could have prevented some of this damage we're seeing now.
Man, his time was so full of hope in an era that slowly turned darker and we pinned so much on him and he delivered to a great degree.
This is why it hurt so much when sentiment swung back so extremely into the other direction. Was it truly his greatest mistake to neglect a great part of the population that they though Trump would make a great candidate?
Admittedly Hillary was not a good candidate but i still remember the shock when i woke up and checked the news that Tuesday.
He delivered... what? A broken health care plan that left millions without and funnelled more money into the insurance industry. Trump is the direct result of Obama, Clinton and the rest of the Democrats doing nothing to help, so a LOT of people who got sick of the government, voted for Trump because there literally is **never** change you can believe in... Americans who still believe in the Democrats need to wake up... Neither party is helping.
One of Obama's main mistakes was that in his first 2 years when the Democrats hat total government control he still tried to be bipartisan when even back then the Republicans were not interested in compromises but blocked him out of spite, he said so himself that his mistake was not using these years to push his agenda further.
It is a small miracle the ACA became reality at all given the resistance, with a sane republican party willing to compromise it could have been much better.
Weirdly it's the exact mistake Clinton made when he spent his first two years "negotiating" a crime bill that brought in three strike laws that continues to destroy millions of families. Which left no time for health care for the poor.
And the GOP were literally on TV daily telling everyone they were not negotiating with Obama, they were working to destroy it, hence why Obamacare leaves millions without and just funnels money to the insurance industry. it's not an accident.
It's a sad day in hell when you say George w Bush was a good president in relation comparison to Donald Trump but here we are a sad day in hell. May God have mercy on all our souls for what's in the future.
Also the whole kid diddling ring thing and the rape and I'm assuming killing necrophilia and God knows what else took place with him and Epstein. Remember Epstein is literally on video saying he's never known a more evil twisted individual as he had when he knew Trump. And that's coming from Epstein directly his former gay lover and accomplis to the island and it's mechanantions
Fuck him. His very first example -- pulling Fox News creds -- is something he should have done. He sat on his hands and watched his worst enemies poison the soft minds of his citizens and most of us don't even talk to our fucking parents now because of it.
As an outsider looking in, I can see how that's bad, but y'all picked a guy who did a hitler and went full gas ahead instead and I fail to see how that's better.
Well I’m of the opinion that MAGA rigged/hacked the last election with Elon’s help. (Every accusation a confession…) but that’s also a frowned upon notion here. Dems have been lackluster for a long time. We need more progressive candidates and protect them from the Dems.
The most infuriating thing about Trump in my opinion is not any particular thing that he says or does, but it is the fact that people tolerate him. Why? Why in God's green earth does anyone tolerate Trump for even one second? I absolutely do not understand why every single person in a position of authority gives him a free pass. He appears actually to be above the law in every respect. That's un-American.
Have you seen the movie Horns? At some point the main character grows horns like a demon. When he interacts with people they immediately start becoming the most honest and the worst versions of themselves. That is what he is. The ideological equal to the Devil.
It's not that they tolerate him. It's that this is what they WANT. They want a low-brow, dick-beating, half-witted fucktwaffle, that will validate their hate, their racism, their misogyny. That will make them feel equals, not lesser. They don't want intelligence. They don't want order or decency. They want to feel like THEY are in the right when they are being the worst of humanity. And Trump gives them that
No it's not - it's very 'American'. He is not imposed, he was chosen by U.S electors, and there was no secret what he was. He reflects, not alters, the U.S.A.
You answered your wording, that's exactly why - he's advice the law and Republicans will ensure that he's above the law. Why will they? Because he allows and enables them to do anything bad that they want with no repercussions; he's making them extremely wealthy, and they won't get that with a responsible and good person as POTUS.
There are many, many possible reasons for it. And sadly, it's complex. To truly know the nature of it is going to take the end of it. After the fact. The "clean up on aisle America" phase.
And then the interviews will be tendered, testimonies gotten... to join the ones already with us... and probably a few people who will come out of the cult and be able to explain. "We were in the cult. He commanded us. He made us feel relevant. Believed. Supported. But we weren't. He lied to every last one."
maybe Trump is just the unwitting instrument the large-scale forces of history, economy, and technology which have conspired, as they often do, to a moment of great upheaval?
maybe the beginning of the end of the capitalist growth paradigm, the rise of China and her displacement of US foreign investment, the rise of digital IT and it's propagandistic superpowers have all pushed the interests of our ownership class to the right, towards reaction. Trump just happened to be the lightening rod.
Well, you have 15% of Americans that now get to say and do all the things they always wanted to. You have another 15% that are happy they get to say all the things (but don't care about the 'doing' part). And you have another 15-20% that obey because they don't want to lose power.
Us old people have seen this forever but he was just some ridiculous old rich white dude so it didn't affect us. Reporters *never* called him on his dumb bullshit from reacting to 911 by saying he now had the tallest building in NYC to talking about how he hoped his infant daughter would inherit her mom's big tits. No one EVER said "hey man, that's shit is inappropriate. Time to end this interview." Ever. EVER. Just one person with a shred of dignity could have shut his shit down. But he's rich.
I hate to say it... but there's a lot of really ugly people in America. And I don't mean visually. I mean rotten inside. Just hateful, mean people. And Trump is the personification of that inner person. He does what they'd like to do, so they live vicariously through him. And it's from the bottom end, scrappy blue collar workers, all the way up to CEOs.
We have a tremendous erosion of ethics and morality going on in the USA. Nasty fate cake. And Republicans are the chefs.
He's a hateful bully and narcissist so is endlessly easy to manipulate into doing things that harm people that the right has had grievances against for decades. The slave owners were never happy to have to give up their slaves and it's just gotten worse over the decades as they've watched those "slaves" outpace them.
In my opinion, Trump showed Americans that being hateful is okay under his rule. Most Americans hate everyone different than them. They relished the idea of being able to openly hate whomever they wanted. Then Trump gave their hate a target; trans people, lgbtq+ people, immigrants, etc. Now it's okay to murder people that don't submit to God king trump's authority. It's always been about America's barely hidden hatred of the other.
I respectfully disagree about portion size. I suspect that less than about 20% of Americans actually favor all the Nazi stuff going on, but the majority are just too lazy and complacent to get off their asses and go vote. And those people *really* piss me off. It would have been SO EASY to avoid all this crap if they had just bothered to go vote. (I assume that if 100% of voters had voted, the outcome would have been different. That might be incorrect.)
Trump is tolerated for the simple reason that there is a heavily armed, highly motivated, millions strong army of belligerent men, many with combat experience, all standing behind him, with a multitude of weaponry strapped to their coruplent bodies, weilding their massive inferiority complex towards successful women, successful brown skinned people, successful LGBTQIA people and other successful countries, all of which show them how insignificant and unsuccessful they actually are
It's primarily Congress that shouldn't tolerate him. They should have disqualified him for office after both of his impeachments but they dropped the ball on that one. They should try again. But to address your statement regarding a massive army, there are a LOT more reasonable people that there are MAGA people. And democracies have majority rule. Well, should have majority rule anyway.
I've never understood it, but I saw it play out in real time. I remember the first time I heard donald trump, the asshole from reality tv, was running for president. I thought it was a joke. A publicity stunt. At the time I was working a factory job, located in a rural community area, and it absolutely blew my mind to look around and see low income people, with minimal education, touting this man as their coming savior. This was before he had his cult, and it didn't take much to get it started.
At first, it WAS just a publicity stunt. He didn't actually expect to be able to win the nomination. He just wanted additional publicity for his businesses and his ego.
(2) I just remember debating with these regular human beings, trying to understand why they thought this fake rich nobody was going to be the one to lift them up into prosperity. As if it weren't rich assholes who made life hard for regular people in the first place? May as well have the CEO of Walmart run for president, if you believe what trump is selling. I truly believed it could never happen. Back then, he was more symptom than problem. The result of disconnect between the people and gov.
(3) and now, welcome to the Fourth Reich. Except instead of manipulating the spirit of a broken people following post war defeat economic censure and collapse, you have some megalomaniac asshole convincing an already privileged and entitled population that they deserve the world and it's everyone else's fault they don't have it. It's a disgusting appeal to hatred and greed, and it's a sign of how far we can fall if self interest is our only guiding principle.
Because for the people who back him, he gives them permission to be their worst selves. He tells them that every shitty hateful impulse they have is not only okay, it's admirable. He makes them feel good about being hateful bigots, rather than the discomfort of realizing they need to be better.
He is just allowing people to show their true selves. They always been shitty people but now they have an idiot that tells them that it’s ok to be that extremely shitty.
As for the rest of the public... The term is hypernormalization. Basically a coping mechanism for the fact that the world is falling down around us, but we still need to go to work, let out the dog, and get groceries. People don't want to believe that the country they knew effectively no longer exists because the social compact has broken down, so they ignore it. https://www.theguardian.com/wellness/ng-interactive/2025/may/22/hypernormalization-dysfunction-status-quo
They’re not exactly wrong. Our media glorifies psychopaths. And any deeper nuance or message gets completely missed by most. Homelander, Heisenberg, American Psycho, Tyler Durden, the punisher, every “Falling Down” knockoff movie about some angry dad going on a killing spree, the list goes on and on.
I can see how he/she/they would think that. Morons could not see satire if it was choking them. Many people see homlander as a hero. And the same with other things lije Rick [rick and morty] is amazing. So no wonder some might see cartman as great
I thought this the FIRST time around. But to re-elect him is just unfathomable to me. The first time one could argue that people wanted something different, and maybe he wouldn't be the total piece of shit he had been his entire life. But the 2nd time? It's the worst of humanity in our country letting everyone know that THEY are weak-minded, easily manipulated pieces of shit too. And there are a lot more of them than we realized.
At the same time, the dems are famously incompetent. They had it in the bag, and should've just let Biden run... but nah "Let's try having a woman again, and lets do the change so close to the election people don't even know about it". Ugh.
Record of public service, either military or not. Perhaps some basic competency testing, like basic literacy, plus cultural knowledge testing. For example, being able to correctly describe the basic intent of at least three of the first ten Amendments to the Constitution. Nothing that most people shouldn't be able to pass. I'm sure many Americans couldn't pass such a test today, but if they knew they had to to vote, they might study up.
I'd like to filter out people with crazy un-American ideas, such as the USA being an officially Christian country, or that skin color has something to do with a person's access to rights. I'd like to enforce a minimum standard of critical thinking skills.
Yeah trump aint even really the problem here. But the peoples tolerance and support is a big problem. It just means this all just as easily starts all over again when trump kicks the bucket. He’s a symptom, not a cause
He is the fruiting body of the putrescence of our government and way of life. It is those that put him there to pillage and exploit that need to be dealt with. Even his eventual end will bring us no liberty.
But he is. Him and people like him. Who do you think pays for MAGA propaganda? Who do you think has the power to change what people see, hear, or think? Trump isn't just a symptom. He and the rich of this country are the ones who have crafted this hellscape, because it sure as fuck wasn't the average American who poured all this money into propaganda and war mongering. He is a cause. A major cause.
Nah hard disagree. Sure, trump found an unique audience. But to think this the only man capable of causing this? Hell no. The next one surely aint Vance, but it does not have to be exactly the same, just enough to keep this cycle of hatred going.
Sure, trumps “charisma” might be unmatched, but dont think for one moment thats the only way this can go
Education. "Here's where the pain starts. Here's where those who get rich off of it distract with scapegoats. Here's how they convince you to believe them - gutting education, lies, punishing dissent, and silencing opposing viewpoints. Here's where people got too tired of the pain to last any longer, and attack the scapegoats. Here's where people stand over the broken bodies of the scapegoats and discover it didn't fix the pain. Here's when those in power try to deflect to new scapegoats."
You needed to start forty years ago, putting protections in place, checks on power. You needed to keep billionaires hands off of news outlets and places of discourse. You could have protected community from social media.
Now? The easy way is closed and the propaganda is virtually everywhere. Ruzzian trolls help feed the illusion sold by Faux. So now, you can kill the foot soldiers protecting the billionaires, or you can roll over and take techno-fascism in the ass. Half measures will not work.
I always remember beating an American guy in halo 3 and he threatened me with 'america could wipe your country off the map in a week.' it's always stuck with me, why the fuck you looking to wipe out a country coz you suck at a video game. Trump is definitely just a symptom.
Stephen Miller recently said, "We have the power to invade every country in the western hemisphere, and therefore we should." Personally, I find that to be completely non sequitur, besides revealing a really toxic attitude.
I feel obliged to point out that Stephen Miller is capable of shitting on the floor. Consider that in the light of his statement that "we can do a thing and therefore we should do that thing." That doesn't strike me as flawless logic.
Yuuuuup. “Might makes right” when it isn’t the overtone, has been a strong undertone in the US since its founding. Roughly 1/3 of the people here think that “might makes right” is the only law that exists and everything else is mere suggestion, laws for “the others” to follow. The issue is that we have 1/3 that just have that ideology ENGRAINED into their being by their parents. How do you stop the spread of something that has a 99% fatality rate and is caught right out of the womb? Eduction 🤔?
I feel education could help most of the young. but the old and active believers, I fear have to be shown that they don’t have the might before they stop believing in its right.
Let’s see if that’s true. I just posted something similar. and I DON’T intend on deleting it myself. The Dems are somewhat complicit. I abhors Biden. That POS is the quiet TChump. He has said truly racist stuff about black people.
I mean...is he wrong? Where is the real resistance? Outside of AOC and Bernie I rarely hear so much as a "tut tut". Walz said he'd mobilize the guard, that hasn't happened either.
Spell. out. exactly. what. Dems. can. do. right. now. Seriously, given the make up of the government and the current governance rules in place, what exactly do you think they should do? To even pass a resolution saying what's going on is wrong would require Republican votes, let alone do something meaningful.
They could do many things, but most of all they could be honest about what is happening. This is not a routine political struggle, with normal stakes. This is fascism, and our own government is claiming the right to kill us without justification or consequence.
The admin is flagrantly illegal but Dems still respect it. They could acknowledge that this is not something that is fixed with votes. That the time has come to fight for what is left of your freedoms in the face of tyranny.
They could acknowledge that the rule law is not an obstacle to this admin and stop clinging to it. They could do things that they don’t have the legal authority to do, but that are right, like ordering NG or local PD to arrest any ICE agents.
They could stop playing a rigged game by the rules.
The problem is, a lot of people who say things like that are doing so in an attempt to further undermine and fragment the non-maga voter base, such that, again, the cohesive, bound in racism base that Trump enjoys can walk through another election. It's not wrong that the democrats have been divisive and wishy washy, but the options are "wishy washy centrists" and "further descent into facism", so maybe don't try to shut down democrat voters right now.
This. There are exactly two sides right now: Nazis and Everyone Else. If you're complaining that Everyone Else is not doing enough, rather than encouraging them to do more or doing something yourself, you are bolstering the Nazis.
That's only part of the problem. Them FOLLOWING the law is fine, but they need to USE the law as a cudgel to beat the fuckers down. What I think is staying their hand is that doing so will set pressidents that will impact their own profitability.
You're falling for the propaganda. You think because of talk like this that the democrats aren't a good enough option, so lets vote third party. That's great in a far flung future where the options are actually open, such as after severe top to bottom election reform, or when the options aren't "Trump flavor", "democrat apathy", and "throw your vote away".
And yes. I know that's why the two parties are still just two parties, because we've always thought that. Again, now is not the time to prove a point, because you know that you'll never convince a majority to cast a vote for the same third party / independent candidate today. Fight that battle when fighting it doesn't mean certain, crushing defeat and boots on your neck.
Because they have no legal pathways to resist. The voters made sure of that. What you are asking for is basically a civil war, but asking others to sacrifice themselves.
So does complying. Their goal is to kill or dominate everyone. It starts with ‘others’ and the circle continuously contracts. No-one will ever be pure enough to stand equal with those in power. So you can grovel in submission and live as a slave on their mercy, or you can kill them. If you don’t like those options, build a time machine.
The Thing that pisses me off is that the Dems are somewhat complicit. They pretend as if they are powerless to stop the GoP. And when Dems are in office, they pretend as though they have no power to enact real change. Not all the Dems are like this. Progressives WANT to progress us. This is why Primaries matter. VOTE in EVERY election, people.
Spell. out. exactly. what. Dems. can. do. right. now. Seriously, given the make up of the government and the current governance rules in place, what exactly do you think they should do? To even pass a resolution saying what's going on is wrong would require Republican votes, let alone do something meaningful.
Ah yes, in a choice of "Nazis" versus "Non-Nazis," let's blame the non-Nazis for what's going on. That makes perfect sense.
The downside of being the good guys is that you have to act like it, whereas the Republicans are happy to break laws, lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want. The US system of government was never designed to cope with an entire political party and a third of the population turning into a death cult.
YES. It is literally the fault of the non-Nazis in power when the real Nazis take over. 100% correct
This is not a movement that's come out of nowhere, these forces have been growing in the country for decades (long before Obama) and democrats allowed it to foster with their weakness. If the democrats had tackled the obstructionism of the Mitch McConnell era with unity and strength we never would have gotten to Project 2025 and Trump.
And YES, this is exactly how Dems should act going forward
YES! you have to fight fire WITH fire, it's literally an expression for a reason.
It's not evil to do anything you can to pass your agenda. Break the rules, I don't give a fuck, if it means you can feed the hungry, house the homeless, or prevent the rise of fascism it's the right thing to do.
Playing by the rules and losing has led us here. How can you not see that?
Imgur are sycophants to the democratic party. They pretend to hold progressive views but really, they just hate Republicans more than they care about a genocide. They want to hold the Republican party accountable for their support for fascism but then ignore when AIPAC-bribed genocide-supporting Zionist democratic politicians do it.
So honestly, we have only two options when it comes to Israel. Nuke them super fast or go along with them. Do your research. Israel has a policy of "Whatever you do to us, we do double back to you". And Israel, a super religious country above all else...has nukes. Let that sink in. Yes, America is religious, but it doesn't rule all of us in our everyday life. Israel is a problem no one has a good answer for.
And in return, Obama was called an anti-Semite by prominent israeli talking heads for criticizing the 2014 massacres in Gaza and calling for a settlement stop in the occupied West Bank.
I could be wrong, but I believe the US’s unwavering support for Israel comes down to them being a “better” business partner than China.. follow the money;
And other assorted PEPs (Progressives Except for Palestine). They're quite numerous among the Democratic base. And of course there are downright zionists too. Just look at all the Hollywood celebs who have come out in support of israel's genocide. Chris Pine, Jamie Lee Curtis, Tarantino, Michael Douglas, even Mark Hamill ffs. Which explains the pickle Harris found herself in in 24. At the time, only 56% of DEM voters agreed that israel was committing a genocide.
I'm surprised people are shocked by this. I've been saying Fuck Mark Hamill for years at this point but get downvoted to hell. People care more about actors in movies than they do about murdered children.
Just to back up my previous comment. "Why not vote for someone else". It couldn't be any more obvious. You helped elect trump and rob Gazans of any survival chance, not to mention a chance at a two-state solution that Harris promised to broker. And you cannot tell me that this wasn't your intended goal. Shame on you.
2/2 She also called for settlers to be held accountable for violence in the West Bank and sharply criticized settlement expansion. Definitely not an all-out zionist. If she were, bibi wouldn't have had to go all out with his genocidal war to ensure a trump win. Oct. '23 and the aftermath were at least in part designed to split the democratic base, and it worked due to bots like you. You showed up here in '24 to chant "both sides" and help spread voter apathy. You're complicit in this genocide.
She did receive AIPAC donations, yes. I'm not aware that there has ever been a presidential candidate aside from Bernie who didn't. They like to bet on both horses. That being said, I wouldn't describe Harris as a zionist. She tried to find a middle way between supporting israel and demanding an immediate ceasefire on top of criticizing the killing of civilians. Which is why israel helped install trump (not all trolls and bots are russian). There is a reason they prefer far-right candidates.
Margrave9000
Yup, imagine if Obama would have ordered the extrajudicial killing of a US citizen.
Huor
Yeah he should've introduced a public option, since they would have attacked him anyway
ThankinHank
I wake up everyday going HOLY SHIT OMG GOP WTF?? Imagine the racist pigs climbing on Obama for a TAN FUCKING SUIT?
NotMyWorstRodeo
Just and defendable? The US Presidents are all war criminals. Precedents set back then (and impunities) have paved the way for where we are now.
RedSkizzers
Obamas true legacy.
housev1l
Artoris
I remain uncomfortable with the amount of people he killed with drones. So, I am a little shaky on the "just and defendable" government part.
RemtonDulyak
I honestly fear for this man's safety...
omfglmfao
we don't have to imagine, we saw what they did over an election loss...
lazybuthappy
And now imagine if he had done it wearing a tan suit.
Dannoboyo
Some people think hatred is a value, simply because it enables and justifies what they are doing.
SaganIsMyLordAndSavior
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." --Lyndon B. Johnson
I think about this quote damn near every day these days.
Snooj
Imagine the cries of dementia and insanity if Biden had floated the idea to annex Greenland. Suddenly ever MAGAt would be an expert on sovereign nations and their desire for independence.
ChristopherHallett
"just"? The guy who drone bombed more weddings than anyone else in history? "just"?
slick87gn
Would have been crucified by the GOP. Democrats would have thought he was in mental distress and also would have stopped it.
NotSoSmartAlek
Am I imagining things, or is old age starting to affect Obama? And I'm not talking about the gray hair either, but other physical and physiological symptoms.
blah1blah1blah1
This shit of a president gave Israel a contract of 3 billion a year for 10 years with OUR TAX DOLLARS.
And what he did to Gaddafi…. Smh don’t get me started.
Anyone that has kissed that wall should NOT be a president
seckzie
Obama DID do the same things, just more covertly. Trumps role and purpose is to make a few swift radical changes to the american empire.
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
Goddammit, we had all 3 branches for a hot minute. I wish we had been more aggressive. If only we had known what was coming, maybe we could have prevented some of this damage we're seeing now.
FPAlpha
Man, his time was so full of hope in an era that slowly turned darker and we pinned so much on him and he delivered to a great degree.
This is why it hurt so much when sentiment swung back so extremely into the other direction. Was it truly his greatest mistake to neglect a great part of the population that they though Trump would make a great candidate?
Admittedly Hillary was not a good candidate but i still remember the shock when i woke up and checked the news that Tuesday.
Uberche
He delivered... what? A broken health care plan that left millions without and funnelled more money into the insurance industry. Trump is the direct result of Obama, Clinton and the rest of the Democrats doing nothing to help, so a LOT of people who got sick of the government, voted for Trump because there literally is **never** change you can believe in... Americans who still believe in the Democrats need to wake up... Neither party is helping.
FPAlpha
One of Obama's main mistakes was that in his first 2 years when the Democrats hat total government control he still tried to be bipartisan when even back then the Republicans were not interested in compromises but blocked him out of spite, he said so himself that his mistake was not using these years to push his agenda further.
It is a small miracle the ACA became reality at all given the resistance, with a sane republican party willing to compromise it could have been much better.
Uberche
Weirdly it's the exact mistake Clinton made when he spent his first two years "negotiating" a crime bill that brought in three strike laws that continues to destroy millions of families. Which left no time for health care for the poor.
And the GOP were literally on TV daily telling everyone they were not negotiating with Obama, they were working to destroy it, hence why Obamacare leaves millions without and just funnels money to the insurance industry. it's not an accident.
8ang
Dems take note. R propaganda networks are stronger and their voices are louder. They are winning. Change your approach or continue to lose.
spitfires2000
The current usa isn't one country and doesn't stand for one value. Get busy changing it or get busy getting used to it.
bexxMaker
thedarkcanuck
No, remove him from life
szpet627
https://imgur.com/HiP64Bx.jpg
1stDrunkJoe
Rent Free
labtob
bigly I do!
sundaymondayhippyday
#bigly
DutchCraft2050
I miss that man.
RevengeIsIceCream
He was far from perfect, but easily soooooo much better. Hell, even GW Bush was better...
thedarklord187
It's a sad day in hell when you say George w Bush was a good president in relation comparison to Donald Trump but here we are a sad day in hell. May God have mercy on all our souls for what's in the future.
freakdiablo
The thing about Bush Jr was he was a man of average intelligence that was OK with going along with the evil plans of those around him.
Stinky is a moron that makes the evil plans.
thedarklord187
Also the whole kid diddling ring thing and the rape and I'm assuming killing necrophilia and God knows what else took place with him and Epstein. Remember Epstein is literally on video saying he's never known a more evil twisted individual as he had when he knew Trump. And that's coming from Epstein directly his former gay lover and accomplis to the island and it's mechanantions
draek1
Fuck him. His very first example -- pulling Fox News creds -- is something he should have done. He sat on his hands and watched his worst enemies poison the soft minds of his citizens and most of us don't even talk to our fucking parents now because of it.
counterintel
Blaming Obama for the Maga uprising is a new take for me...
CurbYourClassWar
Could have done a shitload of things for people and working class but never did. Dems are always just a temporary stopgap or slowdown to the horrors.
Spotafire
As an outsider looking in, I can see how that's bad, but y'all picked a guy who did a hitler and went full gas ahead instead and I fail to see how that's better.
CurbYourClassWar
Well I’m of the opinion that MAGA rigged/hacked the last election with Elon’s help. (Every accusation a confession…) but that’s also a frowned upon notion here. Dems have been lackluster for a long time. We need more progressive candidates and protect them from the Dems.
Spotafire
I think I might be misinterpreting something, because it reads as if you blame the Dems for the Reps winning.
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
Pulling press credentials was completely unprecedented and a huge violation of white house protocol. It would have been a disaster.
CurbYourClassWar
More disastrous than this??? lol
ChristopherHallett
Oh no, not protocol! - say the liberals as the fascists tear apart society and oppress millions...
itsthevoiceman
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Monday-morning%20quarterback
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
Easy to say in hindsight. Obviously a time traveler would make different decisions
tinyfootprints
The most infuriating thing about Trump in my opinion is not any particular thing that he says or does, but it is the fact that people tolerate him. Why? Why in God's green earth does anyone tolerate Trump for even one second? I absolutely do not understand why every single person in a position of authority gives him a free pass. He appears actually to be above the law in every respect. That's un-American.
secretdpp
They got paid off or are dumb enough to think the rules matter
ToSisPoS
He has made an unspoken promise that he will make it okay to openly and loudly use the word they want desperately to use for the title image.
OurLordLucifer
Have you seen the movie Horns? At some point the main character grows horns like a demon. When he interacts with people they immediately start becoming the most honest and the worst versions of themselves. That is what he is. The ideological equal to the Devil.
thetinkerbelle
its all about money, he's rich and they think he can make them rich
Cebrail
It's not that they tolerate him. It's that this is what they WANT. They want a low-brow, dick-beating, half-witted fucktwaffle, that will validate their hate, their racism, their misogyny. That will make them feel equals, not lesser. They don't want intelligence. They don't want order or decency. They want to feel like THEY are in the right when they are being the worst of humanity. And Trump gives them that
Fentex
No it's not - it's very 'American'. He is not imposed, he was chosen by U.S electors, and there was no secret what he was. He reflects, not alters, the U.S.A.
nation543
You answered your wording, that's exactly why - he's advice the law and Republicans will ensure that he's above the law. Why will they? Because he allows and enables them to do anything bad that they want with no repercussions; he's making them extremely wealthy, and they won't get that with a responsible and good person as POTUS.
clankthegray
Probably because he has blackmail on them when he sold them underage children
ThankinHank
ASK THAT LOSER TED CRUZ! fkn bootlicker
Redbeard54
cytherians
There are many, many possible reasons for it. And sadly, it's complex. To truly know the nature of it is going to take the end of it. After the fact. The "clean up on aisle America" phase.
And then the interviews will be tendered, testimonies gotten... to join the ones already with us... and probably a few people who will come out of the cult and be able to explain. "We were in the cult. He commanded us. He made us feel relevant. Believed. Supported. But we weren't. He lied to every last one."
peedrinkingcrapface
maybe Trump is just the unwitting instrument the large-scale forces of history, economy, and technology which have conspired, as they often do, to a moment of great upheaval?
maybe the beginning of the end of the capitalist growth paradigm, the rise of China and her displacement of US foreign investment, the rise of digital IT and it's propagandistic superpowers have all pushed the interests of our ownership class to the right, towards reaction. Trump just happened to be the lightening rod.
makesense
Well, you have 15% of Americans that now get to say and do all the things they always wanted to. You have another 15% that are happy they get to say all the things (but don't care about the 'doing' part). And you have another 15-20% that obey because they don't want to lose power.
Snooj
Us old people have seen this forever but he was just some ridiculous old rich white dude so it didn't affect us. Reporters *never* called him on his dumb bullshit from reacting to 911 by saying he now had the tallest building in NYC to talking about how he hoped his infant daughter would inherit her mom's big tits. No one EVER said "hey man, that's shit is inappropriate. Time to end this interview." Ever. EVER. Just one person with a shred of dignity could have shut his shit down. But he's rich.
cytherians
I hate to say it... but there's a lot of really ugly people in America. And I don't mean visually. I mean rotten inside. Just hateful, mean people. And Trump is the personification of that inner person. He does what they'd like to do, so they live vicariously through him. And it's from the bottom end, scrappy blue collar workers, all the way up to CEOs.
We have a tremendous erosion of ethics and morality going on in the USA. Nasty fate cake. And Republicans are the chefs.
StellarJay77
He's a hateful bully and narcissist so is endlessly easy to manipulate into doing things that harm people that the right has had grievances against for decades. The slave owners were never happy to have to give up their slaves and it's just gotten worse over the decades as they've watched those "slaves" outpace them.
perlninja
Because there's money to be made.
DenAzhir
dingosmush
Voter apathy it's a nightmare. One the GOP has cultivated for decades, too many people don't care.
origamiboiandy
It’s a literal cash and power grab. It’s all transactional and everyone else be damned.
TheAngriestBeardman
In my opinion, Trump showed Americans that being hateful is okay under his rule. Most Americans hate everyone different than them. They relished the idea of being able to openly hate whomever they wanted. Then Trump gave their hate a target; trans people, lgbtq+ people, immigrants, etc. Now it's okay to murder people that don't submit to God king trump's authority. It's always been about America's barely hidden hatred of the other.
HYPEdriveMusic
Honestly… you know why.
Because the majority of Americans citizens right now are EVERYTHING you are not.
tinyfootprints
I respectfully disagree about portion size. I suspect that less than about 20% of Americans actually favor all the Nazi stuff going on, but the majority are just too lazy and complacent to get off their asses and go vote. And those people *really* piss me off. It would have been SO EASY to avoid all this crap if they had just bothered to go vote. (I assume that if 100% of voters had voted, the outcome would have been different. That might be incorrect.)
TZO2k15
They allow him to do it, because they know he will pass any policy that benefits them directly…
DasUberMoif
Trump is tolerated for the simple reason that there is a heavily armed, highly motivated, millions strong army of belligerent men, many with combat experience, all standing behind him, with a multitude of weaponry strapped to their coruplent bodies, weilding their massive inferiority complex towards successful women, successful brown skinned people, successful LGBTQIA people and other successful countries, all of which show them how insignificant and unsuccessful they actually are
tinyfootprints
It's primarily Congress that shouldn't tolerate him. They should have disqualified him for office after both of his impeachments but they dropped the ball on that one. They should try again. But to address your statement regarding a massive army, there are a LOT more reasonable people that there are MAGA people. And democracies have majority rule. Well, should have majority rule anyway.
SonOfScubaSam
I've never understood it, but I saw it play out in real time. I remember the first time I heard donald trump, the asshole from reality tv, was running for president. I thought it was a joke. A publicity stunt. At the time I was working a factory job, located in a rural community area, and it absolutely blew my mind to look around and see low income people, with minimal education, touting this man as their coming savior. This was before he had his cult, and it didn't take much to get it started.
tinyfootprints
At first, it WAS just a publicity stunt. He didn't actually expect to be able to win the nomination. He just wanted additional publicity for his businesses and his ego.
SonOfScubaSam
(2) I just remember debating with these regular human beings, trying to understand why they thought this fake rich nobody was going to be the one to lift them up into prosperity. As if it weren't rich assholes who made life hard for regular people in the first place? May as well have the CEO of Walmart run for president, if you believe what trump is selling. I truly believed it could never happen. Back then, he was more symptom than problem. The result of disconnect between the people and gov.
SonOfScubaSam
(3) and now, welcome to the Fourth Reich. Except instead of manipulating the spirit of a broken people following post war defeat economic censure and collapse, you have some megalomaniac asshole convincing an already privileged and entitled population that they deserve the world and it's everyone else's fault they don't have it. It's a disgusting appeal to hatred and greed, and it's a sign of how far we can fall if self interest is our only guiding principle.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Because for the people who back him, he gives them permission to be their worst selves. He tells them that every shitty hateful impulse they have is not only okay, it's admirable. He makes them feel good about being hateful bigots, rather than the discomfort of realizing they need to be better.
shad2209
He is just allowing people to show their true selves. They always been shitty people but now they have an idiot that tells them that it’s ok to be that extremely shitty.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
As for the rest of the public... The term is hypernormalization. Basically a coping mechanism for the fact that the world is falling down around us, but we still need to go to work, let out the dog, and get groceries. People don't want to believe that the country they knew effectively no longer exists because the social compact has broken down, so they ignore it. https://www.theguardian.com/wellness/ng-interactive/2025/may/22/hypernormalization-dysfunction-status-quo
robertdoobies
I look back to South Park and Cartman when we all started accepting sociopaths
sundaymondayhippyday
You think a cartoon that openly uses satire 2 get across its points brought facism?
CurbYourClassWar
They’re not exactly wrong. Our media glorifies psychopaths. And any deeper nuance or message gets completely missed by most. Homelander, Heisenberg, American Psycho, Tyler Durden, the punisher, every “Falling Down” knockoff movie about some angry dad going on a killing spree, the list goes on and on.
nspriest233
I can see how he/she/they would think that. Morons could not see satire if it was choking them. Many people see homlander as a hero. And the same with other things lije Rick [rick and morty] is amazing. So no wonder some might see cartman as great
linexnewt
I thought this the FIRST time around. But to re-elect him is just unfathomable to me. The first time one could argue that people wanted something different, and maybe he wouldn't be the total piece of shit he had been his entire life. But the 2nd time? It's the worst of humanity in our country letting everyone know that THEY are weak-minded, easily manipulated pieces of shit too. And there are a lot more of them than we realized.
seldombeaton
Guess thats what happens when Americans can't be bothered to vote against him, can't be bothered to even vote...
Ree81
At the same time, the dems are famously incompetent. They had it in the bag, and should've just let Biden run... but nah "Let's try having a woman again, and lets do the change so close to the election people don't even know about it". Ugh.
Whitebeardthepirate
@tinyfootprints to sum it up basically: "HE DUN HATEZ WHO I HAETZ! DAT'S WHY HE'S YOR PRESODENT! HYUK! HYUK! HYUK! HYUK! " - magats
tinyfootprints
That makes me wonder whether universal suffrage is a good idea. I'm beginning to think not.
IceKarma
On what basis would you allow people to vote, then?
tinyfootprints
Record of public service, either military or not. Perhaps some basic competency testing, like basic literacy, plus cultural knowledge testing. For example, being able to correctly describe the basic intent of at least three of the first ten Amendments to the Constitution. Nothing that most people shouldn't be able to pass. I'm sure many Americans couldn't pass such a test today, but if they knew they had to to vote, they might study up.
tinyfootprints
I'd like to filter out people with crazy un-American ideas, such as the USA being an officially Christian country, or that skin color has something to do with a person's access to rights. I'd like to enforce a minimum standard of critical thinking skills.
Z0op
Yeah trump aint even really the problem here. But the peoples tolerance and support is a big problem. It just means this all just as easily starts all over again when trump kicks the bucket. He’s a symptom, not a cause
Ree81
You could argue that social media and corporate media brainwashing makes people believe it's tolerable.
tinyfootprints
For sure.
Gestalt7
He is the fruiting body of the putrescence of our government and way of life. It is those that put him there to pillage and exploit that need to be dealt with. Even his eventual end will bring us no liberty.
KawaiiInari
But he is. Him and people like him. Who do you think pays for MAGA propaganda? Who do you think has the power to change what people see, hear, or think? Trump isn't just a symptom. He and the rich of this country are the ones who have crafted this hellscape, because it sure as fuck wasn't the average American who poured all this money into propaganda and war mongering. He is a cause. A major cause.
Z0op
Nah hard disagree. Sure, trump found an unique audience. But to think this the only man capable of causing this? Hell no. The next one surely aint Vance, but it does not have to be exactly the same, just enough to keep this cycle of hatred going.
Sure, trumps “charisma” might be unmatched, but dont think for one moment thats the only way this can go
KawaiiInari
That's why I said, "him and people like him."
That insinuates more people with his mind set.
Z0op
So, you dont disagree, yet downvote me?
Trump is _NOT_ a cause, only the current environment allows someone like him to proliferate. Thats wont change with him gone
thedarkcanuck
How exactly do we go about killing an ideology? I'm not talking about the people, I'm talking about what they believe in.
crazyspelling
Education. "Here's where the pain starts. Here's where those who get rich off of it distract with scapegoats. Here's how they convince you to believe them - gutting education, lies, punishing dissent, and silencing opposing viewpoints. Here's where people got too tired of the pain to last any longer, and attack the scapegoats. Here's where people stand over the broken bodies of the scapegoats and discover it didn't fix the pain. Here's when those in power try to deflect to new scapegoats."
tinyfootprints
If you say that again, I will upvote it again.
WarThunderLeakedMySpecs
You needed to start forty years ago, putting protections in place, checks on power. You needed to keep billionaires hands off of news outlets and places of discourse. You could have protected community from social media.
Now? The easy way is closed and the propaganda is virtually everywhere. Ruzzian trolls help feed the illusion sold by Faux. So now, you can kill the foot soldiers protecting the billionaires, or you can roll over and take techno-fascism in the ass. Half measures will not work.
tinyfootprints
That's how I see it. His presence reveals a deeper and darker problem with American society.
ArchaeoEejit
I always remember beating an American guy in halo 3 and he threatened me with 'america could wipe your country off the map in a week.' it's always stuck with me, why the fuck you looking to wipe out a country coz you suck at a video game. Trump is definitely just a symptom.
tinyfootprints
Stephen Miller recently said, "We have the power to invade every country in the western hemisphere, and therefore we should." Personally, I find that to be completely non sequitur, besides revealing a really toxic attitude.
tinyfootprints
I feel obliged to point out that Stephen Miller is capable of shitting on the floor. Consider that in the light of his statement that "we can do a thing and therefore we should do that thing." That doesn't strike me as flawless logic.
prosper020
Yuuuuup. “Might makes right” when it isn’t the overtone, has been a strong undertone in the US since its founding. Roughly 1/3 of the people here think that “might makes right” is the only law that exists and everything else is mere suggestion, laws for “the others” to follow. The issue is that we have 1/3 that just have that ideology ENGRAINED into their being by their parents. How do you stop the spread of something that has a 99% fatality rate and is caught right out of the womb? Eduction 🤔?
prosper020
I feel education could help most of the young. but the old and active believers, I fear have to be shown that they don’t have the might before they stop believing in its right.
DancesWithHippos
Oh, yeah, the algorithm won't even consider preserving some of the initial reactions.
GambitLW
Let’s see if that’s true. I just posted something similar. and I DON’T intend on deleting it myself. The Dems are somewhat complicit. I abhors Biden. That POS is the quiet TChump. He has said truly racist stuff about black people.
sundaymondayhippyday
Then His vice president was Asian and black
getadogupya
The commeter probably deleted it themselves...
MADchemEE
Is...... Is that their license plate or something? I don't get the username reference.
MurderousCoat
I'd assume an Archer reference unless they were in New York during the 90s and used the same pot service the show's creators did.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
So THAT is what that reference is to? I had no idea.
MurderousCoat
They talked about it at SDCC 2019. Was fun to finally have it put to bed.
NotACanadian
I mean...is he wrong? Where is the real resistance? Outside of AOC and Bernie I rarely hear so much as a "tut tut". Walz said he'd mobilize the guard, that hasn't happened either.
OrionJC
Spell. out. exactly. what. Dems. can. do. right. now. Seriously, given the make up of the government and the current governance rules in place, what exactly do you think they should do? To even pass a resolution saying what's going on is wrong would require Republican votes, let alone do something meaningful.
WarThunderLeakedMySpecs
They could do many things, but most of all they could be honest about what is happening. This is not a routine political struggle, with normal stakes. This is fascism, and our own government is claiming the right to kill us without justification or consequence.
The admin is flagrantly illegal but Dems still respect it. They could acknowledge that this is not something that is fixed with votes. That the time has come to fight for what is left of your freedoms in the face of tyranny.
WarThunderLeakedMySpecs
They could acknowledge that the rule law is not an obstacle to this admin and stop clinging to it. They could do things that they don’t have the legal authority to do, but that are right, like ordering NG or local PD to arrest any ICE agents.
They could stop playing a rigged game by the rules.
ThatHurts
The problem is, a lot of people who say things like that are doing so in an attempt to further undermine and fragment the non-maga voter base, such that, again, the cohesive, bound in racism base that Trump enjoys can walk through another election. It's not wrong that the democrats have been divisive and wishy washy, but the options are "wishy washy centrists" and "further descent into facism", so maybe don't try to shut down democrat voters right now.
sundaymondayhippyday
You Are Completely Correct!
And username does hurt
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
This. There are exactly two sides right now: Nazis and Everyone Else. If you're complaining that Everyone Else is not doing enough, rather than encouraging them to do more or doing something yourself, you are bolstering the Nazis.
SaganIsMyLordAndSavior
The problem is, they're still attempting to follow the rule of law while he happily shits all over it.
StellarJay77
That's only part of the problem. Them FOLLOWING the law is fine, but they need to USE the law as a cudgel to beat the fuckers down. What I think is staying their hand is that doing so will set pressidents that will impact their own profitability.
AShartInTheWind
You're falling for the propaganda. The two right-wing ideologies that dominate US politics want you to think there are no other options.
ThatHurts
You're falling for the propaganda. You think because of talk like this that the democrats aren't a good enough option, so lets vote third party. That's great in a far flung future where the options are actually open, such as after severe top to bottom election reform, or when the options aren't "Trump flavor", "democrat apathy", and "throw your vote away".
ThatHurts
And yes. I know that's why the two parties are still just two parties, because we've always thought that. Again, now is not the time to prove a point, because you know that you'll never convince a majority to cast a vote for the same third party / independent candidate today. Fight that battle when fighting it doesn't mean certain, crushing defeat and boots on your neck.
SirButcher
Because they have no legal pathways to resist. The voters made sure of that. What you are asking for is basically a civil war, but asking others to sacrifice themselves.
tylerlarson
This.
Fighting back gets you dead. Literally dead.
NotACanadian
We're going to die anyway.
WarThunderLeakedMySpecs
So does complying. Their goal is to kill or dominate everyone. It starts with ‘others’ and the circle continuously contracts. No-one will ever be pure enough to stand equal with those in power.
So you can grovel in submission and live as a slave on their mercy, or you can kill them. If you don’t like those options, build a time machine.
GambitLW
The Thing that pisses me off is that the Dems are somewhat complicit. They pretend as if they are powerless to stop the GoP. And when Dems are in office, they pretend as though they have no power to enact real change. Not all the Dems are like this. Progressives WANT to progress us. This is why Primaries matter. VOTE in EVERY election, people.
itsthevoiceman
OrionJC
Spell. out. exactly. what. Dems. can. do. right. now. Seriously, given the make up of the government and the current governance rules in place, what exactly do you think they should do? To even pass a resolution saying what's going on is wrong would require Republican votes, let alone do something meaningful.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Ah yes, in a choice of "Nazis" versus "Non-Nazis," let's blame the non-Nazis for what's going on. That makes perfect sense.
The downside of being the good guys is that you have to act like it, whereas the Republicans are happy to break laws, lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want. The US system of government was never designed to cope with an entire political party and a third of the population turning into a death cult.
Is that how you'd prefer the Dems act?
RedSkizzers
YES. It is literally the fault of the non-Nazis in power when the real Nazis take over. 100% correct
This is not a movement that's come out of nowhere, these forces have been growing in the country for decades (long before Obama) and democrats allowed it to foster with their weakness. If the democrats had tackled the obstructionism of the Mitch McConnell era with unity and strength we never would have gotten to Project 2025 and Trump.
And YES, this is exactly how Dems should act going forward
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
"Let's fight the Nazis by being Nazis!" Okay dude, have fun being an evil piece of shit.
RedSkizzers
YES! you have to fight fire WITH fire, it's literally an expression for a reason.
It's not evil to do anything you can to pass your agenda. Break the rules, I don't give a fuck, if it means you can feed the hungry, house the homeless, or prevent the rise of fascism it's the right thing to do.
Playing by the rules and losing has led us here. How can you not see that?
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Okay, so you feel we should demonize minorities, terrify people, and appeal to their worst instincts? Because that's how the right did it.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
"Imagine if I had done any of this"
jbrown2954
RedSkizzers
Yup. Thank you. I can't stand the white wash Obama gets.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Imgur are sycophants to the democratic party. They pretend to hold progressive views but really, they just hate Republicans more than they care about a genocide. They want to hold the Republican party accountable for their support for fascism but then ignore when AIPAC-bribed genocide-supporting Zionist democratic politicians do it.
tinydog
EVERY president has doted upon Israel, for some god damn reason.
semperknight
So honestly, we have only two options when it comes to Israel. Nuke them super fast or go along with them. Do your research. Israel has a policy of "Whatever you do to us, we do double back to you". And Israel, a super religious country above all else...has nukes. Let that sink in. Yes, America is religious, but it doesn't rule all of us in our everyday life. Israel is a problem no one has a good answer for.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
And in return, Obama was called an anti-Semite by prominent israeli talking heads for criticizing the 2014 massacres in Gaza and calling for a settlement stop in the occupied West Bank.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Because every party only serves one goal: US Imperialist power.
Hear4theAminalVidz
I could be wrong, but I believe the US’s unwavering support for Israel comes down to them being a “better” business partner than China.. follow the money;
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-10-12/israel-is-an-important-link-in-the-global-chip-supply-chain
AsIWasSaying
To appease the Christians.
thedarkcanuck
But Israel is Jewish, no?
tinydog
American evangelical Christians are fixated on Israel and end-times prophecy.
certainlynotaserialkiller
the christians in the weapons industry.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
And other assorted PEPs (Progressives Except for Palestine). They're quite numerous among the Democratic base. And of course there are downright zionists too. Just look at all the Hollywood celebs who have come out in support of israel's genocide. Chris Pine, Jamie Lee Curtis, Tarantino, Michael Douglas, even Mark Hamill ffs. Which explains the pickle Harris found herself in in 24. At the time, only 56% of DEM voters agreed that israel was committing a genocide.
bripi
Wait a fucking second! MARK HAMILL is supporting Israel? What in the holy Bantha shit??
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
I'm surprised people are shocked by this. I've been saying Fuck Mark Hamill for years at this point but get downvoted to hell. People care more about actors in movies than they do about murdered children.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
He was among the 700 Hollywood celebs who signed a letter in support of israel. Excerpt: "We in the Hollywood community … must stand with Israel as it defends itself against a terrorist regime in Gaza that seeks Israel’s destruction." To be fair, this was in Oct. 2023. But it's not like the Palestinian genocide began with israel's most recent Gaza invasion. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/celebrities-entertainment-executives-sign-open-letter-support-israel-1235617300/
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Not just a pickle, she was AIPAC-bribed and supported Zionism.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
Just to back up my previous comment. "Why not vote for someone else". It couldn't be any more obvious. You helped elect trump and rob Gazans of any survival chance, not to mention a chance at a two-state solution that Harris promised to broker. And you cannot tell me that this wasn't your intended goal. Shame on you.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
2/2 She also called for settlers to be held accountable for violence in the West Bank and sharply criticized settlement expansion. Definitely not an all-out zionist. If she were, bibi wouldn't have had to go all out with his genocidal war to ensure a trump win. Oct. '23 and the aftermath were at least in part designed to split the democratic base, and it worked due to bots like you. You showed up here in '24 to chant "both sides" and help spread voter apathy. You're complicit in this genocide.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
She did receive AIPAC donations, yes. I'm not aware that there has ever been a presidential candidate aside from Bernie who didn't. They like to bet on both horses. That being said, I wouldn't describe Harris as a zionist. She tried to find a middle way between supporting israel and demanding an immediate ceasefire on top of criticizing the killing of civilians. Which is why israel helped install trump (not all trolls and bots are russian). There is a reason they prefer far-right candidates.