Billy Mitchell cheated on his 3 most recent World Record scores.

Feb 4, 2018 10:15 AM

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You all know this guy as the manipulative villain from the excellent documentary King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters. I'm sure many of you have followed his video gaming career prior. Well sensational new evidence has come out that Billy Mitchell used MAME to produce three of his 1 million+ scores, including the 1.047 million score presented in King of Kong to steal Steve Weibe's thunder.

I would like to preface all of this by stating that none of what follows is NOT my original work. Disputes and evidence regarding the validity of Billy's controversial 1 million+ scores has been building over at the Twin Galaxies forum since August of 2017. You can read about the earlier concerns and right through to the latest, damning evidence here: http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800/

The following images that I will be posting was posted on the 2nd of February by Jeremy 'Xelnia' Young, scoreboard moderator at Donkey Kong Forums and originator of the original dispute thread at Twin Galaxies forum. You can read his original post dropping the evidence here: http://donkeykongforum.com/index.php?topic=2055

MAME 0.115 and below

MAME 0.116 to 0.121

MAME 0.122 to 0.126

MAME 0.127 to present

The evidence against Billy Mitchell comes down to how MAME generates the Donkey Kong boards frame-by-frame vs. how the original arcade board generates the image. Without getting too technical, above you can see the board generation in various versions of MAME slowed right down.

What is important to note, particularly with the historical versions current during the time of Billy Mitchell's World Record submissions, is that boards are generated piecemeal, with some girders popping in, then all of the girders + ladders AND THE PLAYER ENTRY POINT, then everything else.

What follows is a genuine direct feed recording of Donkey Kong board generation, and a genuine Donkey Kong arcade machine recorded at 60fps with a camera phone.

Genuine direct feed recording.

Video camera recording 60fps.

What's important to note here is that the frame is generated from the top right of the screen (and as the screens in the arcade cabinets are rotated, the real 'top' is on the right hand side, and the real 'left' is at the top) to the bottom left. Generation follows the scanlines of an actual CRT monitor, with girders appearing first from top-right to bottom-left, then ladders top-right to bottom-left, then finally everything else top-right to bottom left. Note in particular that the player entry point is the VERY LAST thing to appear.

And now Billy Mitchell's submitted footage:

1.047 million (submitted in King of Kong).

1.05 million, 'performed' at the Mortgage Brokers convention - he was supposedly playing in another room with no one watching and a double direct-feed taking to a projector in the convention room and a VCR recording.

Billy Mitchell submitted both of these as footage recorded as a direct feed from a genuine Donkey Kong arcade cabinet. Clearly they match the board generation of the older versions of MAME, particularly the player entrance appearing before the bonus score box.

The original post goes on to compare the board generation of the other levels in Donkey Kong (Pies, Springs and Rivets), which is all equally as damning, but I won't post here. What I will post as the final image is a still-frame comparison of all the submitted evidence:

Further corroborating this evidence are several questionable circumstances around these submissions. Firstly, getting a direct feed recording from a Donkey Kong arcade machine is notoriously difficult to do. Chris Gleed is the first person to document the process (http://donkeykongforum.com/index.php?topic=1413), and consequently the first person to prove that they actually did make a direct feed recording from the Donkey Kong PCB, and likely the only person with a working Donkey Kong direct feed. Billy Mitchell has publicly stated that he has no idea how Donkey Kong boards work.

Secondly, the only corroborating referee of Billy Mitchell's 1.062 million score is Todd Rogers, who has recently been disgraced and had all of his records expunged from Twin Galaxies and banned for life from submitting new ones after it had come to light that his oldest and most famous record in Dragster was impossible to achieve, and that he had made many other questionable submissions to Twin Galaxies.

And then there's the part where Billy Mitchell has performed no 1 million+ score in live conditions, and that direct feed recordings have been banned as valid submissions since before Billy Mitchell's 1.062 million score.

Donkey Kong Forums have removed all of Billy Mitchell's questionable scores from their scoreboard, leaving his live performance of 933,900 as his highest score. It remains to be seen what Twin Galaxies' response will be, but the evidence seems insurmountable, and they have shown with Todd Rogers that they are willing to bring down a legend completely.

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It's GBF

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I remember watching the documentary when i was younger about his record. He was a real asshole in that too.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

He sure does don a kinda weaselly vibe, like a badge of honor...

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Silly Bitchell

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Steve Wiebe... gotta be feeling right as rain.

8 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 1

Also, King of Kong is an amazing documentary.

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Fuck Billy Mitchell!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

We have to thank Todd Rodgers for this. If it wasn't for him the rest wouldn't be falling like dominos behind him :D

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

...TIL playing the original Donkey Kong is SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

The drama is so high because the stakes are so low.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

That documentary was surprisingly entertaining.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

He is such a dick!

8 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 1

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

GBF!

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Screw that Billy Mitchel. This Billy Mitchel is much cooler. https://imgur.com/0SvA9i6 Father of the Modern US Airforce.Also has a really1/2

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

2/2 awesome bomber named after him. https://imgur.com/dVdqXm7 He promoted naval aviation and that same bomber was used in Doolittle Raid.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Twin Galaxies had one job. One job.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

That's the thing though, they gave themselves several conflicting jobs which almost directly led to the situation they're in now.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

A job which they've failed at countless times throughout competitive gaming.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

At first I was upset about this, but then I thoughtfully considered and decided meh, I truly do not care. Like, at all.

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 3

I got a few paragraphs in before I started going into negative fucks to give.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

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8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Just remember we still have to bring down Todd Rogers completely. Over half of his 1400 scores just don’t make sense or are straight impos

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Todd Rogers is already gone. Every single one of his scores. Read the post, check out Twin Galaxies.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I've been trying to stream this movie for months and can't find it anywhere. Now I definitely need to watch. This guy sounds like an asshat

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It's the best doco ever made, and that's from someone who had no idea about Donkey Kong prior to seeing it.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He looks a lot like giant bearded face http://regularshow.wikia.com/wiki/Garrett_Bobby_Ferguson

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Actually had to check and make sure I wasn't in newest.

8 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 9

You're gonna have to explain that comment to me.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 5

only if you explain to me why people still care about this game.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 7

The human drama is fucking delicious.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Probably wondering how it got to FP.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

My son was a math student of Steve Wiebe, and he no idea he was in the movie. We watched it together on PPV and his surprise as priceless.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

“none of what follows is NOT my original work”....

8 years ago | Likes 126 Dislikes 1

Skipped to the comments just to look for this. +1

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

What I meant to say is, "No part of none of what follows is NOT my, or anyone else's, original work at all." Hope that clears things up.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

that's just making it even MORE confusing...

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I did not have sexual equivocations with that woman!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

and that's making in kinkier.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Hahaha. You’re alright.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I had to stop reading the story part of this post... I fear I’m “that guy” )c:

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 13

I didn’t read after this too. Don’t feel bad. I don’t care about gaming so no interest plus grammatical errors? I’m out.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Would you believe I went back and added the "NOT" during proofreading because I didn't re-read my own sentence properly?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Right, I think this is ALL his original work. Why didn't he just say it simply?

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

I screwed up when I proofread my post. How embarrassing.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He couldn't not make it complicated.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

If you want more back story check out summoning salts videos

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

I take it the rules specify an original. Is there some way to extra cheat using mame like slowing it down or use a more responsive keyboard?

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

You can use an .INP file to pause, replay, perfect, and then run the final version as a playback for the recording.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

So basically a TAS?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Would you still be able to use mame at a live showing?

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Only by playing from another room with absolutely nobody watching, which is what he did.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Just curious what does MAME do to help someone get a higher score?

8 years ago | Likes 284 Dislikes 0

I'd like to know that too

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You can manipulate the game, you could easily just edit the memory to extend timers, change scores too

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Seconded.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

MAME let's you: save and take a break, save and retry, slow time down in game and pause. None of which are possible by default.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

I have heard the points per hammer smash are pseudo-random, and his runs were beyond being lucky.

8 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 0

The appearance of blue barrels which give extra points is pseudo-random, and he hit way above the curve on those.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

One thing to point out is that MAME isn't banned. What is clear though is that Billy lied about playing on arcade hardware

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Yep, MAME isn't banned, but it's essentially a separate leaderboard and the submission requirements are very different. And Billy lied.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

MAME allows you to record inputs to create "perfect runs" or even use cheat codes.

8 years ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 0

I'm thinking the claim is that he used a bot/macro to generate the high scores (hence no 'live' evidence of the record breaking runs)...

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

What Billy did while playing on MAME is all speculation. It is more than enough that he lied about the platform he was playing on.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

That's true. IIRC to qualify for Twin Galaxies records runs need to be made on original, unaltered hardware.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

With what everyone's said keep in mind there is a category for MAME scores as they are judged differently for obvious reasons.

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Also the submission rules are very different to arcade submissions to prove you aren't cheating. Billy didn't satisfy the rules for either.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

would MAME runs count as TAS?

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I don't really know much, this is just what I heard from one of those gaming news channels

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

If the rules are sane then TAS is a subset of MAME.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

MAME is a PC-based emulator. You can cheat in any number of ways, few of which are possible on a real console. But AFAIK, he cheated by

8 years ago | Likes 155 Dislikes 1

altering the game's running speed and using save-states to ensure a perfect play.

8 years ago | Likes 135 Dislikes 0

What he did while using MAME is speculative at best. However just the simple fact that he said it was arcade machine footage is damning.

8 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

Now I get it. Thanks, ReallyGoodBee!

8 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 0

Np

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Thank you, I was wondering too!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You can pause/save games, unlike a genuine arcade cabinet where you insert a quarter and play until you die of exhaustion.

8 years ago | Likes 365 Dislikes 1

Not true for Donkey Kong and many older arcade games due to technical reasons leading to a hard upper limit of how many levels can be played

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

ah I see the part of the post that should have been in the first pic, thanks

8 years ago | Likes 73 Dislikes 0

That explains alot more than the actual post! Thanks!

8 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 1

a lot*

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 7

This should be in a tldr, don't care about any of this level generating stuff

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

Well, the information on draw order is the *proof*. I do agree that OP should have included an explanation of how it helped his score too.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I'm all for shaming cheaters, but "I'm sure many of you have followed his video gaming career prior." Um, no, not many of us. A few, maybe.

8 years ago | Likes 63 Dislikes 5

Also "You all know this guy" no the fuck I don't. It should have read "You may know this guy".

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

He was in the documentary "A Fistful of Quarters," which is actually worth a watch.

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Huge difference between seeing some guy show up in a documentary and “following “ his career.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Good place to start, though.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I have no fucking clue what all this post is about actually.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

"Many" is a vague and relative term, that's why I used it. As for 'all', I just assumed everyone had watched the best doco ever made. 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Personally I knew nothing about Donkey Kong world records or Billy Mitchell before I saw The King of Kong as a film student. 2/2

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

A few is probably pushing it. Outside of whatever niche circle this is, I doubt anyone knows who this guy is.

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 2

I have never heard of this person before and, although I can understand some people being upset and I have to respect OP's effort in this>

8 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 3

post, I very literally do not care about Donkey Kong record holders.

8 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 3

Honest question for you. Why comment?

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 7

Because OP said we all know him from that movie as if were fact and that many of us follow his career. He stated it wrong.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I usually comment to respond to- in this case agree with- the point of the comment I'm replying to.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

Supporting the original comment that said people wouldn't understand this without context.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Good stuff. That guy is a genuine asshole.

8 years ago | Likes 662 Dislikes 4

Yes he is... yes he is... and i loved King of Kong, lol.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I met him at DragonCon this past year. He refused to admit his hair was a wig. I had a great time fucking with him.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

I met him at DragonCon this past year. He refused to admit his hair was a wig. I had a great time fucking with him.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 4

He looks like Tyrion lannister in the "Pixels" movie, is that character based off of him?

8 years ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 2

The fact that you recognizes it proves how great Dinklage was in that movie. Even in a stinker like Pixels, he's insanely talented.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

Yup.

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 1

Besides the cheating he played the bad guy for the documentary to make it more interesting

8 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 1

yeah, he seemed to be playing a heel.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

What does he do? Should i feel ashamed that i don't know of this dude?

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

just read the text? but he is/was a arcade video game legend. famous for DK and pacman

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

Find the documentary "King of Kong: A Fistfull of Quarters", about the competitive arcade scene and 2 dudes going for the DK world record.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

He held a world score record for Donkey Kong in the 80s, and was considered a gaming legend. Now it seems like he's lost his (1/2)

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

touch but wants to stay in the spotlight, so he's resorted to cheating to keep or improve his records. (2/2)

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

To be accurate the first instance of known cheating was in 2004 and the most recent was 2010. He is not even close to relevant anymore.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

https://imgur.com/UoF6d5d

8 years ago | Likes 77 Dislikes 0

Never realized he was giant beard face. That's great!

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Funfact: he tried to sue for that.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

That episode makes a whole lot more sense now...

8 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 0

Holy crap you're right!

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

regular show totally called it.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Twin Galaxies are so far up Billy's ass i doubt they will do anything. But this is a good write up.

8 years ago | Likes 168 Dislikes 2

They JUST purged and banned Todd Rodger and made him lose his Guinness. It's a new day :D

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

They took his beer away? That's harsh.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

That would be immoral.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Right? And would you believe they ALSO took his World Record at the SAME time?!!

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

My goodness my Guinness!

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Under previous TG owners I'd agree with you. But under Jace Hall things seem to be changing, eg. the disgrace of Todd Rogers.

8 years ago | Likes 83 Dislikes 0

Yeah, this was the first I’d heard of Todd getting banished. Truly, he was the Tom Brady of video gaming.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

This makes Twin Galaxies records completely useless. If you can't trust the record keepers you can't trust the records.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

While they've gone the right thing in the end, that was quite an unfair grilling omnigamer took from Jace Hall in the Dragster thread

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Speaking of Rogers, could we get a post about how not only Dragster, but ALL of his scores were faked?

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I do believe I will post one up.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I hadn't known about the other fake scores when reading the Dragster dispute, I don't know how people are still defending him

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Same. Dragster was the only one I'd heard about until fairly recently, when I saw a video from Apollo Legend that showed how deep it went.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

That was a good video, I see people are defending the Billy Mitchell score and there will be an announcement on it tomorrow

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

There was a recent Reddit post with a Youtube video explaining why Todd Rogers is the biggest cheater in gaming history.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Wow. I felt like I was goin down a rabbit hole lol

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

As an outsider to the scene, it's incredible that Rogers' records stood for as long as they did

8 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 0

Even on other forums there were a lot defending Todd, even just looking at some of his scores they were ridiculously high.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yeah, but he sis just have a massive fall from grace. TG and Guinness both dropped almost all his records.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

He worked on the database, he probably entered them himself and people just didn't check

8 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

People checked constantly over the decades. Todd's scores have been in question for many, many years. The Old Guard at TG just defended him.

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Yep and still defended him in front of very strong technical evidence even despite the many other blatantly faked scores.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

he did this at least 1 known time but he had a buddy at tg, a ref, who 'verified' his scores.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Funny thing is, that "buddy" turned out to be a convicted pedophile, so he also isn't the epitome of honesty

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0