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You all know this guy as the manipulative villain from the excellent documentary King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters. I'm sure many of you have followed his video gaming career prior. Well sensational new evidence has come out that Billy Mitchell used MAME to produce three of his 1 million+ scores, including the 1.047 million score presented in King of Kong to steal Steve Weibe's thunder.
I would like to preface all of this by stating that none of what follows is NOT my original work. Disputes and evidence regarding the validity of Billy's controversial 1 million+ scores has been building over at the Twin Galaxies forum since August of 2017. You can read about the earlier concerns and right through to the latest, damning evidence here: http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800/
The following images that I will be posting was posted on the 2nd of February by Jeremy 'Xelnia' Young, scoreboard moderator at Donkey Kong Forums and originator of the original dispute thread at Twin Galaxies forum. You can read his original post dropping the evidence here: http://donkeykongforum.com/index.php?topic=2055
MAME 0.115 and below
MAME 0.116 to 0.121
MAME 0.122 to 0.126
MAME 0.127 to present
The evidence against Billy Mitchell comes down to how MAME generates the Donkey Kong boards frame-by-frame vs. how the original arcade board generates the image. Without getting too technical, above you can see the board generation in various versions of MAME slowed right down.
What is important to note, particularly with the historical versions current during the time of Billy Mitchell's World Record submissions, is that boards are generated piecemeal, with some girders popping in, then all of the girders + ladders AND THE PLAYER ENTRY POINT, then everything else.
What follows is a genuine direct feed recording of Donkey Kong board generation, and a genuine Donkey Kong arcade machine recorded at 60fps with a camera phone.
Genuine direct feed recording.
Video camera recording 60fps.
What's important to note here is that the frame is generated from the top right of the screen (and as the screens in the arcade cabinets are rotated, the real 'top' is on the right hand side, and the real 'left' is at the top) to the bottom left. Generation follows the scanlines of an actual CRT monitor, with girders appearing first from top-right to bottom-left, then ladders top-right to bottom-left, then finally everything else top-right to bottom left. Note in particular that the player entry point is the VERY LAST thing to appear.
And now Billy Mitchell's submitted footage:
1.047 million (submitted in King of Kong).
1.05 million, 'performed' at the Mortgage Brokers convention - he was supposedly playing in another room with no one watching and a double direct-feed taking to a projector in the convention room and a VCR recording.
Billy Mitchell submitted both of these as footage recorded as a direct feed from a genuine Donkey Kong arcade cabinet. Clearly they match the board generation of the older versions of MAME, particularly the player entrance appearing before the bonus score box.
The original post goes on to compare the board generation of the other levels in Donkey Kong (Pies, Springs and Rivets), which is all equally as damning, but I won't post here. What I will post as the final image is a still-frame comparison of all the submitted evidence:
Further corroborating this evidence are several questionable circumstances around these submissions. Firstly, getting a direct feed recording from a Donkey Kong arcade machine is notoriously difficult to do. Chris Gleed is the first person to document the process (http://donkeykongforum.com/index.php?topic=1413), and consequently the first person to prove that they actually did make a direct feed recording from the Donkey Kong PCB, and likely the only person with a working Donkey Kong direct feed. Billy Mitchell has publicly stated that he has no idea how Donkey Kong boards work.
Secondly, the only corroborating referee of Billy Mitchell's 1.062 million score is Todd Rogers, who has recently been disgraced and had all of his records expunged from Twin Galaxies and banned for life from submitting new ones after it had come to light that his oldest and most famous record in Dragster was impossible to achieve, and that he had made many other questionable submissions to Twin Galaxies.
And then there's the part where Billy Mitchell has performed no 1 million+ score in live conditions, and that direct feed recordings have been banned as valid submissions since before Billy Mitchell's 1.062 million score.
Donkey Kong Forums have removed all of Billy Mitchell's questionable scores from their scoreboard, leaving his live performance of 933,900 as his highest score. It remains to be seen what Twin Galaxies' response will be, but the evidence seems insurmountable, and they have shown with Todd Rogers that they are willing to bring down a legend completely.
Getty13
It's GBF
PhosphorusWhite
I remember watching the documentary when i was younger about his record. He was a real asshole in that too.
doucheCat
He sure does don a kinda weaselly vibe, like a badge of honor...
PeterNormal
Silly Bitchell
ShepherdBook
Steve Wiebe... gotta be feeling right as rain.
ShepherdBook
Also, King of Kong is an amazing documentary.
murphcold
Fuck Billy Mitchell!
Hypnomancy
We have to thank Todd Rodgers for this. If it wasn't for him the rest wouldn't be falling like dominos behind him :D
the12thletter
...TIL playing the original Donkey Kong is SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS.
vindik8or
The drama is so high because the stakes are so low.
inkpod
That documentary was surprisingly entertaining.
garethGod
He is such a dick!
vindik8or
https://imgur.com/IOAqQoV
ArcaneDictator
smartgirl63
GBF!
JesseSlayer
Screw that Billy Mitchel. This Billy Mitchel is much cooler. https://imgur.com/0SvA9i6 Father of the Modern US Airforce.Also has a really1/2
JesseSlayer
2/2 awesome bomber named after him. https://imgur.com/dVdqXm7 He promoted naval aviation and that same bomber was used in Doolittle Raid.
lspec
Twin Galaxies had one job. One job.
vindik8or
That's the thing though, they gave themselves several conflicting jobs which almost directly led to the situation they're in now.
Goronhead
A job which they've failed at countless times throughout competitive gaming.
IonlyUpvoteTurkeys
At first I was upset about this, but then I thoughtfully considered and decided meh, I truly do not care. Like, at all.
BloodyTanookiSuit
I got a few paragraphs in before I started going into negative fucks to give.
tronixvt
scarface98
Just remember we still have to bring down Todd Rogers completely. Over half of his 1400 scores just don’t make sense or are straight impos
vindik8or
Todd Rogers is already gone. Every single one of his scores. Read the post, check out Twin Galaxies.
ICanOnlyGrowCactus
I've been trying to stream this movie for months and can't find it anywhere. Now I definitely need to watch. This guy sounds like an asshat
vindik8or
It's the best doco ever made, and that's from someone who had no idea about Donkey Kong prior to seeing it.
natepel1989
He looks a lot like giant bearded face http://regularshow.wikia.com/wiki/Garrett_Bobby_Ferguson
stupidhumantricks
steve1907
Actually had to check and make sure I wasn't in newest.
vindik8or
You're gonna have to explain that comment to me.
Elonth
only if you explain to me why people still care about this game.
vindik8or
The human drama is fucking delicious.
ReJokeStatistics
Probably wondering how it got to FP.
markcm
My son was a math student of Steve Wiebe, and he no idea he was in the movie. We watched it together on PPV and his surprise as priceless.
ImFrank
“none of what follows is NOT my original work”....
justsome
Skipped to the comments just to look for this. +1
vindik8or
What I meant to say is, "No part of none of what follows is NOT my, or anyone else's, original work at all." Hope that clears things up.
wonderbug
that's just making it even MORE confusing...
vindik8or
I did not have sexual equivocations with that woman!
wonderbug
and that's making in kinkier.
ImFrank
Hahaha. You’re alright.
buddhanature
I had to stop reading the story part of this post... I fear I’m “that guy” )c:
ImFrank
I didn’t read after this too. Don’t feel bad. I don’t care about gaming so no interest plus grammatical errors? I’m out.
vindik8or
Would you believe I went back and added the "NOT" during proofreading because I didn't re-read my own sentence properly?
asantity
Right, I think this is ALL his original work. Why didn't he just say it simply?
vindik8or
I screwed up when I proofread my post. How embarrassing.
BananaForScaIe
He couldn't not make it complicated.
Iankill
If you want more back story check out summoning salts videos
Sernikb
https://youtu.be/LAQ2vEHq2N4
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
I take it the rules specify an original. Is there some way to extra cheat using mame like slowing it down or use a more responsive keyboard?
vindik8or
You can use an .INP file to pause, replay, perfect, and then run the final version as a playback for the recording.
Goronhead
So basically a TAS?
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
Ta
funkyphil101wastakensoichosethis
Would you still be able to use mame at a live showing?
ReallyGoodBee
Only by playing from another room with absolutely nobody watching, which is what he did.
kalinroar
Just curious what does MAME do to help someone get a higher score?
DeathBySwarmOfKittens
I'd like to know that too
SilverFish0
You can manipulate the game, you could easily just edit the memory to extend timers, change scores too
Thejunkfoodkid
Seconded.
notacobra
MAME let's you: save and take a break, save and retry, slow time down in game and pause. None of which are possible by default.
poughdrew
I have heard the points per hammer smash are pseudo-random, and his runs were beyond being lucky.
vindik8or
The appearance of blue barrels which give extra points is pseudo-random, and he hit way above the curve on those.
mzxrules
One thing to point out is that MAME isn't banned. What is clear though is that Billy lied about playing on arcade hardware
vindik8or
Yep, MAME isn't banned, but it's essentially a separate leaderboard and the submission requirements are very different. And Billy lied.
gaaaaalavant
MAME allows you to record inputs to create "perfect runs" or even use cheat codes.
spyderj
I'm thinking the claim is that he used a bot/macro to generate the high scores (hence no 'live' evidence of the record breaking runs)...
vindik8or
What Billy did while playing on MAME is all speculation. It is more than enough that he lied about the platform he was playing on.
spyderj
That's true. IIRC to qualify for Twin Galaxies records runs need to be made on original, unaltered hardware.
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
With what everyone's said keep in mind there is a category for MAME scores as they are judged differently for obvious reasons.
vindik8or
Also the submission rules are very different to arcade submissions to prove you aren't cheating. Billy didn't satisfy the rules for either.
TitledEel
would MAME runs count as TAS?
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
I don't really know much, this is just what I heard from one of those gaming news channels
BronzeLeaguePro
If the rules are sane then TAS is a subset of MAME.
ReallyGoodBee
MAME is a PC-based emulator. You can cheat in any number of ways, few of which are possible on a real console. But AFAIK, he cheated by
ReallyGoodBee
altering the game's running speed and using save-states to ensure a perfect play.
vindik8or
What he did while using MAME is speculative at best. However just the simple fact that he said it was arcade machine footage is damning.
PantsOfGlory
Now I get it. Thanks, ReallyGoodBee!
ReallyGoodBee
Np
gingersnapdragon
Thank you, I was wondering too!
IceColdGangsta420
You can pause/save games, unlike a genuine arcade cabinet where you insert a quarter and play until you die of exhaustion.
uchytjes
Not true for Donkey Kong and many older arcade games due to technical reasons leading to a hard upper limit of how many levels can be played
supraman2turbo
ah I see the part of the post that should have been in the first pic, thanks
tiaaaa123
That explains alot more than the actual post! Thanks!
webberjo
a lot*
QuackDodgers
This should be in a tldr, don't care about any of this level generating stuff
embermark
Well, the information on draw order is the *proof*. I do agree that OP should have included an explanation of how it helped his score too.
OliverClothesoff70
I'm all for shaming cheaters, but "I'm sure many of you have followed his video gaming career prior." Um, no, not many of us. A few, maybe.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
Also "You all know this guy" no the fuck I don't. It should have read "You may know this guy".
AutoFox
He was in the documentary "A Fistful of Quarters," which is actually worth a watch.
OliverClothesoff70
Huge difference between seeing some guy show up in a documentary and “following “ his career.
AutoFox
Good place to start, though.
fireeternal
I have no fucking clue what all this post is about actually.
vindik8or
"Many" is a vague and relative term, that's why I used it. As for 'all', I just assumed everyone had watched the best doco ever made. 1/2
vindik8or
Personally I knew nothing about Donkey Kong world records or Billy Mitchell before I saw The King of Kong as a film student. 2/2
Sumpte
A few is probably pushing it. Outside of whatever niche circle this is, I doubt anyone knows who this guy is.
somenerandom
I have never heard of this person before and, although I can understand some people being upset and I have to respect OP's effort in this>
somenerandom
post, I very literally do not care about Donkey Kong record holders.
PotooGeatAndWise
Honest question for you. Why comment?
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
Because OP said we all know him from that movie as if were fact and that many of us follow his career. He stated it wrong.
somenerandom
I usually comment to respond to- in this case agree with- the point of the comment I'm replying to.
fireeternal
Supporting the original comment that said people wouldn't understand this without context.
noraaselim
Good stuff. That guy is a genuine asshole.
MaddPainting
Yes he is... yes he is... and i loved King of Kong, lol.
mynameismoreoriginalthanyours
I met him at DragonCon this past year. He refused to admit his hair was a wig. I had a great time fucking with him.
mynameismoreoriginalthanyours
I met him at DragonCon this past year. He refused to admit his hair was a wig. I had a great time fucking with him.
ClassyReposts
He looks like Tyrion lannister in the "Pixels" movie, is that character based off of him?
Felman
The fact that you recognizes it proves how great Dinklage was in that movie. Even in a stinker like Pixels, he's insanely talented.
IceColdGangsta420
Yup.
Steffn
Besides the cheating he played the bad guy for the documentary to make it more interesting
rookiefdb
yeah, he seemed to be playing a heel.
TheFrolickingMoose
What does he do? Should i feel ashamed that i don't know of this dude?
rookiefdb
just read the text? but he is/was a arcade video game legend. famous for DK and pacman
cyno01
Find the documentary "King of Kong: A Fistfull of Quarters", about the competitive arcade scene and 2 dudes going for the DK world record.
WhiteCollarOfficeJobs
He held a world score record for Donkey Kong in the 80s, and was considered a gaming legend. Now it seems like he's lost his (1/2)
WhiteCollarOfficeJobs
touch but wants to stay in the spotlight, so he's resorted to cheating to keep or improve his records. (2/2)
vindik8or
To be accurate the first instance of known cheating was in 2004 and the most recent was 2010. He is not even close to relevant anymore.
vindik8or
https://imgur.com/UoF6d5d
TimHanson
Never realized he was giant beard face. That's great!
Solblazer86
Funfact: he tried to sue for that.
jasta6
That episode makes a whole lot more sense now...
Matty3D
Holy crap you're right!
whimsicalsamurai
regular show totally called it.
trumanmanmanman
Twin Galaxies are so far up Billy's ass i doubt they will do anything. But this is a good write up.
DorthLous
They JUST purged and banned Todd Rodger and made him lose his Guinness. It's a new day :D
Pangs
They took his beer away? That's harsh.
perlsucks
That would be immoral.
DorthLous
Right? And would you believe they ALSO took his World Record at the SAME time?!!
Counterfit
My goodness my Guinness!
vindik8or
Under previous TG owners I'd agree with you. But under Jace Hall things seem to be changing, eg. the disgrace of Todd Rogers.
wadatahmydamie
Yeah, this was the first I’d heard of Todd getting banished. Truly, he was the Tom Brady of video gaming.
Orcus424
This makes Twin Galaxies records completely useless. If you can't trust the record keepers you can't trust the records.
JohnMcL7
While they've gone the right thing in the end, that was quite an unfair grilling omnigamer took from Jace Hall in the Dragster thread
Goronhead
Speaking of Rogers, could we get a post about how not only Dragster, but ALL of his scores were faked?
vindik8or
I do believe I will post one up.
JohnMcL7
I hadn't known about the other fake scores when reading the Dragster dispute, I don't know how people are still defending him
Goronhead
Same. Dragster was the only one I'd heard about until fairly recently, when I saw a video from Apollo Legend that showed how deep it went.
JohnMcL7
That was a good video, I see people are defending the Billy Mitchell score and there will be an announcement on it tomorrow
Orcus424
There was a recent Reddit post with a Youtube video explaining why Todd Rogers is the biggest cheater in gaming history.
Orcus424
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/7snh6k/biggest_cheater_in_video_gaming_history_fully/
tilerd
Wow. I felt like I was goin down a rabbit hole lol
Zoroasterisk
As an outsider to the scene, it's incredible that Rogers' records stood for as long as they did
JohnMcL7
Even on other forums there were a lot defending Todd, even just looking at some of his scores they were ridiculously high.
3RsReadingRitingRithmatic
Yeah, but he sis just have a massive fall from grace. TG and Guinness both dropped almost all his records.
belindashort
He worked on the database, he probably entered them himself and people just didn't check
Desomega
People checked constantly over the decades. Todd's scores have been in question for many, many years. The Old Guard at TG just defended him.
JohnMcL7
Yep and still defended him in front of very strong technical evidence even despite the many other blatantly faked scores.
SensualDonut
he did this at least 1 known time but he had a buddy at tg, a ref, who 'verified' his scores.
Technojellyfsh
Funny thing is, that "buddy" turned out to be a convicted pedophile, so he also isn't the epitome of honesty