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Wuz314159
Some Americans laugh at dumb criminals. . . . THIS makes me LMFAO at how dumb people really are. +1
Boom9001
I like how people get upset how much money CEOs make. As if they just lucky and do nothing for the money.
haveguitarwilltravel
Nobody gets stupid rich without stepping on someone else to get there.
CartMan708
THE LAST GRAPH IS THE ACTUAL WEALTH DISTRIBUTION! for those who cant read
Tekhead
I've never understood the focus people put on administration. "Administrators" are not actually important to the operations of a company.
throcktarr
I see nothing wwrong with this. You work hard and get a good job and make more money. Sounds like a fair system to me.
elethomel
the majority work hard, get a shit job, and live close to poverty
tastytomato
Ok... Some people are poor, some are in the middle, some are rich. Deal with it.
CartMan708
If you understood ANYTHING about how the economy works youd know that 1% of the US having 50% of the wealth not only does no good 1/2
Esarai
Preach, brotha!
CartMan708
But hurts the economy. Plus no to mention 50 years ago CEO's only made around 20x the average employee.
idontknowwhatwereyellingabout
We need to know if this is by family or by each individual and if it's asset vs. annual income for starters. It's easy to skew the numbers.
CartMan708
This is for every American who works full time, and its annual
idontknowwhatwereyellingabout
Compared to the unrealistic portrayal socialism here, I already don't trust these graph. I clicked on the site and saw their biased sources.
CartMan708
why? i put the 2nd graph to compare to what americans want, this shows that were not socialistic...
idontknowwhatwereyellingabout
The second graph doesn't even come close to what this source claims americans want in the first graph.
CartMan708
Put your glasses and get a ruler or something buddy.
XXLLavaLamp
If you are unhappy with America's system then why are you still here? If you think it's so bad then just leave. :)
CartMan708
this isnt "Americas" system this is what happens when corporate greed is not only allowed but paid money when they fail
lizwb
Um... What a Soviet suggestion.
Zephon
sadly the poor cant leave...get in their airplane and go were?
XXLLavaLamp
Sadly, most of the poor that don't have jobs abuse welfare.
Zephon
I dont know i seen both sides of welfare to be honest. The ones who need it and try, and the ones who will NEVER work
XXLLavaLamp
Yeah, there needs to be some reform. I am not saying get rid of it, but damn all of the people abusing it shouldn't be allowed to use it.
CartMan708
Needs to have a monthly drug test
XXLLavaLamp
And then the people who need it can get proper financial compensation.
Zephon
like its the leeches that piss me off. I really do feel bad for like a single mom who works 2-3 jobs and dont have time to raise her kids
Zephon
but i HATE people who get more money for doing NOTHING when they are able to do something
mikekillins
Capitalism breeds competition, and thus progress. See agriculture or medical care in the USSR.
CartMan708
omg you guys need to read! I like the 92% want capitalism thats fair, not taken over by corporations. Incredibly there *is* a differnce
mikekillins
You can't see then, if reality vs ideal shows some people with 2/3 less then you're hoping to increase taxes to a point beyond fairness.
CartMan708
no, not at all. The problem is GREED. During the 50's CEO's made only around 20x the average worker. I would not tax them more
mikekillins
You're being too idealistic, how would you go about increasing wealth of 60% of the population? Increase minimum wage and you have a 1/2
mikekillins
cost-induced recession. Lower their taxes, you up the deficit unless you cut services (which I doubt you'd be in favor of). Think ahead man.
CartMan708
ok Mr. Smarty pants look at this
I guess youd rather we just stay the course instead of slowly reversing this
Sploich
The second chart shows exactly why Socialism is bad. If you can't succeed, then why try?
mynameisacaptcha
you should know the difference between socialism and communism
CartMan708
ok to be clear even though in no way did i show leniency towards it, i am not a socialist...
myfatherwillhearaboutthispotter
Succeed at what?
ophyrinx
I agree. At the same time, a caste system has now been accidentally created, and it's very hard to be self-made anymore.
Sploich
The biggest crime in U.S. economics is that True Capitalism was never emplimented, but it got blamed for the failures of Cronyism.
mokus
There is a difference between socialism and loophole exploitation by those who have the gold and make the rules.
CartMan708
exactly
lizwb
How would it be BAD to be able to NOT STARVE and do what you are good at?
CartMan708
idk but i guess i shouldnt have put the second graph in, seems to be confusing these inbreeds.
kittenco
what the guy above is trying to say is - If you get the same pay being a doctor as being a waitress, why go through the hassle of studying?
elethomel
idk maybe because you want to be a doctor / save lives?
CartMan708
yeah but if he observed the graphs more closely he'd see that americans dont want socialism. They also dont know their getting screwed
kittenco
Completely agree on the 2nd point. 1st point, the quotes around "dreaded" make it look like the author is being sarcastic - confusion, yay!
Tekhead
Define 'success'. Because if you define 'success' (like I do) as "being able to support your family without strain", then socialism works.
Tekhead
If you define it as "able to purchase anything and everything you want at any time and never worry about bills", then it and capitalism fail
Sploich
The thing about success is that it's subjective. If people define success with money, they should be allowed to succeed in a free society.
CartMan708
people keep making the point of well bill gates made computers he deserves it, well im not talking about him. Its corporations 2/2
CartMan708
but this is beyond success, in a few decades there wont BE a middle class. My while point is do you think 1% deserve all the money? 1/2
Sploich
It depends on how they made it. I don't think of people in groups, and the sooner we stop labeling people in classes, the better.
Esarai
If success is personal wealth, this is true, however pure monetary gain is a narrow and pallid definition of success.
Sploich
Why is your definition of success the only valid one?
Esarai
It isn't. Personally I find there's a lot more to a person than the numbers in their bank account, hence I tend not to value monetary (1)
Esarai
success as highly as other forms. It's a perfect way to evaluate economic activity, yet it leaves out a lot of human social interaction. (2)
Sploich
Thank you for not taking that the wrong way. All I meant was there are those who believe $ = success, and they should be allowed to succeed.
Sploich
(cont'd) Unless, of course, their success directly violates the natural rights of others.