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ElbowDeepInYou
He's never coming back, dead or alive. Him telling his story would be more trouble than ignoring orders to do so. :(
michaelfire
Mirrormancer
Let her pose for a photo op, but won't let this guy in to check on the "clerical error". Makes total sense if you're a tyrant trying to hide violations against humanity.
isthisusernametakenquestionmark
He's long dead. The GOP/MAGA can't have him ever return to the US and giving interviews about his experience. Now they wait until people stop talking about it. And to speed up this process they will simply start a new scandal. Easy
michaelfire
In a terrorist-for-life torture prison. What US torture by rendition looks like. Gitmo. Not technically foreign soil. DeSantis oversaw forced rectal feeding. Seen here prisoners shackled into stress positions, hooded and gloved for sensory deprivation. Forced to kneel on sharp rock-a Japanese WWII torture. In Cuban heat. See also Israeli torture prisons with rape, days long zip tied limbs leading to amputations. The long history of USmil/Intel teaching torture. 1/
mrsdowneyjr
Exactly.
chelsiedagger
He's def dead :'(
Kristofurious
Or maybe because it's a sovereign country with their own law and rule that the Supreme Court of the US has no jurisdiction in? Like it or not that's the reality of the situation.
Okaybutseriously
So we've already hit the "mass shipping of undesirable populations to death camps" portion of our transition to being the new Nazi Germany... Fuck.
fartharder
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HelpfulCorn
That happened a little faster than I expected, I gotta say
itwasababyox
This has been my reaction as well.
astronomygeek7
They had a how-to guide.
dynamojoe
Naah, Bukele is just fanboying for Trump. Does El Salvador have any tariffs?
siflandollysiflandollyshowROCK
“Sure you can visit him, the morgue is this way…”
Somestooge83
More like a mass grave
michaelfire
Never forget: this is what a Right wing US torture prison looks like for children. Sleep deprivation and discomfort: Cold. lights always on, noisy, profound mental and emotional cruelty: no comforting the children allowed, inadequate sanitation, no beds, cages, no MH treatment, permanently orphaned by destroying the children's records. https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2019/child-detention-at-the-border-is-torture/ 1/
michaelfire
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michaelfire
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michaelfire
Rendition for torture. "Technically, the Patriot Act did not make torture legal. Because the United States is part of the Geneva Convention, it claims to not partake in "torture," but instead practices "torture lite" or "clean torture" on American soil. Torture lite does not leave any long-standing or "permanent" physical damage, while regular torture can result in death. The United States still practices regular torture in "third-party countries," or those not part of the Geneva Convention...1/
michaelfire
That said, the United States government still practices a sort of "clean" torture on United States soil." https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1878&context=honors Campbell, Duncan. "US Interrogators Tum to 'Torture Lite"' The Guardian. Guardian News and Media"> Guardia">nterrogators Tum to 'Torture Lite"' The Guardian. Guardian News and Media, January 25, 2003. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/25/usa.alqaida https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Cruelty-Literature-Political-Imprisonment/dp/0393313123 Op MKUltra US torture
michaelfire
https://literaryreview.co.uk/the-ultimate-weapon-of-state-control [free book on Kindle Unlimited] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases>/2024/08/israels-escalating-use-torture-against-pales">easestps://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases>/2024/08/israels-escalating-use-torture-against-palestinians-custody-preventable Zersetzung in US/Cointelpro 2.0 under Cheney 9/11 unlimited war authorities/ US Patriot Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung https://www.bowdoin.edu/news/2022/09/exploring-americas-persistent-use-of-torture-over-the-last-century.html MKUltra
thatsbadmmkay
Because they killed him
SursieMetzger
He spoke with El Salvador’s VP who admitted they’re being paid to keep Kilmar in custody. We already knew there was a $6 million dollar exchange (so far) between Trump and President Bukele but this was what the Senator had to say after his meeting: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIhUUnUTta7/?igsh=aGZwNWd0ZGxpZ3p6
for non IG users:
https://youtube.com/shorts/RTTXwh6qsTo?si=V_cvBA6FqZMOovJM
TripUpStairs
Thanks
SursieMetzger
No problem! News moves lightning fast these days.
Lun4ticH1gh
Christ on a bike, that YouTube comment section is vile.
SursieMetzger
It is! They’re swarming like vultures and the delusion is headache inducing. They’ll literally twist reality however they can and you can’t use logic to end an argument that someone (or hundreds of people) didn’t use logic to start in the first place. That whole comment section is pure mental illness.
beaglefeatures
Keep fighting
thatiscomedygoldrightthere
Mazis are also calling for the arrest of that senator under the Logan act, ironically and hypocritically.
tesseract4d2
There's no prison. Cecot is a pit in the ground full of bodies.
sometimesitflies
If he is not dead yet he will be before he can talk to anyone who can help him.
VicinoOrsini
The desaparecidos in Argentina were supposed to be a lesson and Nunca más (Never again) a rule of justice
Honeypotsniffer
Unfortunately he's toast.
bourbonandbaddecisions
This administration is more interested in springing rapists from Romania then they are assisting a wrongly deported immigrant
Autittuderp
Are we sure they didn't kill them all?
"This orange bloated bag of trash is giving us 6 million to 'disappear' people...let's keep the money and bury them all." ES Prez probably
Somestooge83
Exactly. Why would they waste money putting them in prison when 1 bullet is all they need
slinkiisu
Why waste bullets when knives are reusable
randomwalrus
There was a googlemaps image posted of the prison, with what looks like a huge pile of bodies, in a massive pool of blood.
Autittuderp
This timeline is fuuuckered.
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randomwalrus
I saw it posted yesterday, but cannot remember where exactly. The image I mean. It was a gif of a zoom in on the prison and one of its yards.
keebs63
The source is Google Maps/Earth imaging from March 2023 (IIRC, but it was way before all of *this*). I analysed the colors in remote sensing software and found that the "blood stain" is a very similar color to the surrounding dirt and the "body pile" is consistent more with logs as they're too straight and equal to be human bodies, they're also too large as one of the ones I measured was ~10ft tall and ~3ft wide from top to bottom. You can verify this for yourself in Google Earth for CECOT.
HowlingRollercoaster2
I appreciate you pointing out the size of the items in the pile as i hadn't noticed that. But I disagree about the color of the soil. if you notice the spots where the ground is bare is a light tan, and the areas that appear darker have brush or some plant matter. I didn't use any tech, though. Another thing I noticed is the circular burn marks on the same area near the "logs". that keeps catching my attention. like super heated burn barrels were used there.
tallyhoho
If the prison didn't kill him the inmates probably did. What a horrible way to die innocent and abandoned, never getting to say goodbye to his wife or family, I hope it was quick and painless
RedLetterMediaReactionGifs
I hope that it is not so for anyone in this administration.
isthisusernametakenquestionmark
That's what they want you to believe. I'm sure he got killed and hosed down the drain on US order days ago. The GOP can't have this guy surviving. Him returning home and giving interviews about his experience would be a "PR" disaster.
Blaming MS13 affiliated inmates for his murder is the perfect excuse.
Imademyselfsquirtle
Inmates I would say were given weapons and told to kill the Americans, and they will be left alone for 1 day without abuse.
Somestooge83
I'd be surprised if they even made it to the prison. The transaction was complete the minute they landed. Probably shipped to a mass grave and killed immediately.
tallyhoho
They call that cost savings
justfiguredoutimc4azyanddumbb
It's business terminology. Literally. If you gotta cause the death of people don't get caught and if you do your lawyers will need to cost less than your profits for each death yield. Boom. One Harvard class.
HannibalHoseth
You know full well it wasn’t either of those
vicvalour
Then why would both trump and the El Salvador prez agree to not return him? Trump could actually make himself look good by it.
vicvalour
I'm not saying he is dead, but there's no proof either way, so...
Draco245
I believe he's saying his death was likely neither quick nor painless... to highlight the tragedy of it all.
ExtremeAndViolentButtFun
They're being killed. No evidence to prove to th contrary and no effort made to disprove it despite how easy it would be.
livingonagiantfireball
I find it sad to see people so riled up about an american being wrongly deported and killed but when it come to american soldier killing civilians in other country, pff who cares right, just not at home right? Fucking garbage
Mechwarrior719
Isn’t there a satellite picture of the place with a big red stain in one of the courtyards?
keebs63
Yes, but the local dirt is also red and when I put the raw from Google Earth that shows it into ENVI and ArcGIS (both remote sensing/GIS tools), the hex codes for the coloration are very similar to vast quantities of dirt around the complex in the same image. Meaning it's not an optical illusion, the colors of the "stain" inside the complex and the colors of the dirt surrounding it are very similar. I've also seen claims that there "looks like a pile of bodies next to it" but 1/2
keebs63
The colors and sizes (measured directly from Google earth) are more consistent with logs. Unless there are 10ft bodies that are roughly 3ft wide at both the top and bottom. It's also worth noting that the imaging we see in that photograph was taken early 2023, but it is also the latest imaging we have for the area AFAIK. I'm not making claims as to what's going on in there, just trying to show why the imaging is not evidence one way or the other, it's almost certainly dirt and logs. 2/2
ExtremeAndViolentButtFun
Maybe, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to do that shit in the open like that.
Mechwarrior719
It does if you realize nobody cares and is willing to stop them.
ExtremeAndViolentButtFun
Not really. No use doing it like that if they have more efficient means to do it indoors. We're dealing with pure evil again, gotta think like it.
CALAMOSCOPYJANE
Think about the smell.
Mirrormancer
*laughs in Putin war crimes in Ukraine*
mrsdowneyjr
MisterLemons
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ArgumentativeArguerJustBecause
Legitimate question. Do you have some mental illness which limits your mental faculties to that of a 5 year old or have you sustained any injuries that have left you with the mental faculties of a 5 year old?
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
A large mound of dirty? This is no place for an ops mom joke.
....
Or is it?
DasBeaker
I guess it depends on how large the mound is..
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ballsoutflyer
Non-voters. Apologize.
Protest voters. Apologize.
techlich
how bout i shove a flagpole up your traitor ass
ballsoutflyer
I'm going to vote for the liberal party that I know has the best chance of stopping Pierre Poilievre and his fascist pieces of shit in two days, even though I don't like their stance on a lot of things.
Because there is way too much at stake. I can yell at them the minute after I vote for them.
intrepidsea
Yeah, hold everyone accountable except the people in power and the millions of dollars spend in lobbying/bribes/gerrymandering that allowed this situation to fester.
“It’s the people’s fault, not the corrupt system in place that they have little to no power to tear down because they are working multiple jobs to avoid starvation/homelessness.
Suck my balls buddy.
chickadeedeedeedee
You’re both right.
ballsoutflyer
Remember when everyone here was saying "we need to vote in numbers so great that the cheating and gerrymandering won't matter"?
Pepperidge Farms remembers, and is pissed.
intrepidsea
Good job preaching to a liberal echo chamber. All those “get out and vote” post and comment farming sure made such a difference instead of getting off the internet and actually talking to people. When are people going to realize that endless amounts of memes and “witty” gotcha moments aren’t going to turn into progress at the polls? You can sit here and be smug but the bottom line is the democratic failed to reach people. They failed to inspire people enough to get off their asses and vote.
ballsoutflyer
Always someone else's fault, hey? "They didn't inspire me!". Are you serious? The threat of losing ones rights wasn't "inspiring" enough?
You guys have some fucking nerve, acting like spoiled, entitled brats when the threat of losing all your rights was on the line, and peoples' very *lives* were in the line. Only *children* think that way.
No wonder MAGA kicked your asses.
MaleProstateMilker88
As an outsider I have watched what to me seemed like a slow decline of the American political system, that it didn't matter which one of the parties was in power there was not much progress, because their system doesn't allow that, and the rise of fascism was inevitable considering their history but instead of wanting to break the system and rebuild it, and hold their own politicians accountable, they attack fellow countrymen who were on their side but disagreed on points they themselves didnt
ballsoutflyer
If you didn't vote, then sit down and stop talking. The adults now have to fix the fuck-up you helped create.
You idiots always pop up. You idiots never think you're part of the problem. You idiots always blame someone else. You and 70 million others did nothing when you had the chance. And now he's possibly dead because you wouldn't hold your nose for just one day.
In two days, I'm going to the polls, to vote for a party that I know has the best chance to stop PP and his fascists.
intrepidsea
I voted democrat moron but I’m not stupid enough to sit here and shit on people who couldn’t get the polls because their job refused to let them off work, or their closest polling location closed down, or whatever excuse they have for not voting.
I blame this country for not making Election Day a holiday so everyone can get out there. I blame America for letting the corruption and bribery get so bad that the president can openly manipulate the stock market with zero fear. You can sit here~
intrepidsea
And whine at the people beside you but you won’t approach the actual people in charge that let these things happen. They will just call whoever and have you carted off to jail and now possibly deported without due process. It’s an actual risk to yell at those people, so you’ll sit here and take the cowardly path; telling strangers on the internet to personally apologize to you because they themselves are ultimately responsible for voter turnout, not the billions of dollars Harris spent~
ballsoutflyer
Apologize to me? No. They need to apologize to the ones suffering for their inaction.
intrepidsea
Courting celebrities, trying to go viral, and the overall failed attempt to make voting “FUN and HIP”.
Dasnekones
I reject the assumption that he is dead. Not because that is too extreme but because he is worth more to them alive than dead.
mrsdowneyjr
I just can't imagine they'd risk his story spreading by keeping him alive
Dasnekones
Risk? They don't have such survival instincts that would allow them to consider their own downfall. They are gloating.
grandfaloon
He is an ms13 prisoner now in a high security prison. He isn't innocent, nonviolent, or a good man.
grandfaloon
Prince George's County's Gang Unit conducted an interview with Abrego Garcia and contacted a 'past proven and reliable source' who identified him as an active member of MS-13 gang
Nalianna
We get it, you said this 23 times, each time with zero proof.
Karma1970
FUCK YOU
EAT SHIT
PISS OFF
You ignorant, bigoted piece of shit.
Partsx
he was 16 years old when he fled el salvador with his mother. bet you didnt know that. and if you did then you are probably just a racist that wants to see brown people hurt and killed.
rubypilgrim
Where did you get that information? This administration says that with NO evidence. They could say that about you and pack you off to the same place. In fact, Trump is talking about doing exactly that, deporting actual American citizens, for whatever charges he wants to make up. Are you ok with that? https://apnews.com/article/trump-citizens-prison-el-salvador-illegal-79113d0ccefefd1f7d8e51c3a4c3defd If he doesn't have to prove the charges, he can say what he wants and you disappear.
Eridianne
Do you know where your username comes from? He'd spit in your fuckin face
CrisprCAS
You are a member of MS13. ICE is on their way to black bag you and ship you to a foreign concentration camp. You have no right to due process, because you're a terrorist gang member.
If they can disappear him without due process, they can disappear YOU without due process. Either everyone has due process or no one does.
Mirrormancer
I can't post directly cause he's got me blocked, maybe from a post he didn't like on this topic, so I'll share with you instead. "Administrative error" is what they're calling it. It's known that the man wasn't given his day in court and everyone in this farce of a regime is lying about the man and people like grandfaloon are perpetuating that lie, knowingly or unknowingly. JD Dunce lies here too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wItHQ1FILY
RevolutionOnHerLips
The best people are saying grandfaloon is MS13. We should inform ICE so they can get this dangerous criminal off the streets.
CrisprCAS
They come to me, with tears in their eyes, saying 'Sir, we have to deport grandfaloon sir! He's MS-13!' and I say I will. No one thought it could be done! But I did it!
mrsdowneyjr
Based on what? Tattoos?
grandfaloon
His arrest history and gangster, not just one, affiliations.
W92Baj
That doesn't exist, fuckwit
DrZombie1983
There is no evidence of that. Try harder.
IgnisInvictus
The guy has no criminal history or gang affiliation. The fuck is wrong with you?
grandfaloon
Prince George's County's Gang Unit conducted an interview with Abrego Garcia and contacted a 'past proven and reliable source' who identified him as an active member of MS-13 gang member
techlich
in new York were he has never been try again trash
grandfaloon
You've been drinking the cool aide, he is, and he was, the rest is spin
W92Baj
Present the proof of him being guilty. The people who grabbed him and sent him ther admit it was a mistake. Even if it werent a mistake its an abuse of the 14th ammendment
Jerz77
Stop watching Fox News. It's rotting your already tiny brain.
grandfaloon
Prince George's County's Gang Unit conducted an interview with Abrego Garcia and contacted a 'past proven and reliable source' who identified him as an active member of MS-13 gang
Nalianna
Where did the interview take place? when did it happen?