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Gangs basically act as unions for citizen welfare?
Source: https://www.actionnews5.com/2024/02/27/memphis-mayor-meets-with-high-ranking-gang-leaders-ask-ceasefire/
Feb 27, 2024 8:01 PM
alcamar
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Gangs basically act as unions for citizen welfare?
Source: https://www.actionnews5.com/2024/02/27/memphis-mayor-meets-with-high-ranking-gang-leaders-ask-ceasefire/
phuzz00
But don't cops already have jobs? Oh wait, they're talking about the amateur gangs
ChallengerDeep
For the right personality type, crime is fun: it's thrilling and lucrative. Gotta find something that satisfies the thrill too.
ThailandExpress
Poverty breeds crime
relsky
Fucking leadership. From gangs. Goddamn gangs who are willing to compromise, IN ORDER TO GET JOBS AND JOB TRAINING, while our goddamn republikkkan congress assholes make PUBLIC STATEMENTS that their ONLY goal is to block the other side from achieving anything...
Burn it all to the ground.
or0b0ur0s
Most gangs, criminal syndicates, and other long-standing organized crime traditions, from the Cosa Nostra to the Yakuza, Bloods & Crips, and everything in between started out as some version of a community activism organization. Providing something for their communities that the erstwhile authorities and economy couldn't or wouldn't. They don't all stay that noble, obviously, but almost all of them start out that way, even if all they're providing is an identity they don't have to be ashamed of
dizzyturtle
It will be hard to find jobs that are as easy and lucrative as selling drugs.
poomaster420
Imagine if Elliott Ness had just thought of giving the Italian Mafia training to be x-ray techs or dental hygienists. What if Wyatt Earp had hosted a Job Fair at the OK Corral? Maybe what the Hatfield and McCoy families really needed was training to get certified as Apple repair people.
Nostradamuswaswrong
||Gangs basically act as unions for citizen welfare?
Yeah, that's kind of how they started. They were distinct entities from organized crime like the mafia, but developed into the organizations we see today.
jzastrow
I mean, sure, try anything, but most of these gang members are very far gone, after years of trying to grow up with absentee parents and likely no high school diploma. It's a years-long process of intervention to get them to understand even the basics of adulting, all while they have bad anger and conflict management skills. A cease fire is a start, but they really need re-entry programs too
molotovity
Most crime is done out of desperation not desire. Creating opportunities is the best way to fight crime, but republicans called it defunding the police and scared people away from it altogether.
kjtodd11
I’ve done a lot of things I’m not proud of, and got away with my life. 100% of those actions were because I needed money and had no other way, most of which I committed before the age of 18. This is a very good thing and a step in the right direction
killbillsexwife
JFC it’s literally taking urban guerrilla warfare to reign capitalism in and provide basic human rights of a living wage.
dixxienormus
But more shooting creates more job vacancies.
witless1
Nothing stops crime like a well paying job.
wadatahmydamie
The kind of crime people actually go to jail for anyway. The other kind, not so much
cybergeek
I mean, yeah, that's what (a lot of) gangs started out as was neighborhood protection squads. If you know the cops aren't going to come around in a timely manner (because your neighborhood, say, has a higher amount of BIPOC in it and it's any time after 1865), you take matters into your own hands.
Awmph
gangs emerge wherever people cannot count on the cops and the courts to protect them
Avenkal19
This is just the Watts Truce again . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_truce
Gryphonosiris
The only people who don't want peace are those who profit off violence.
METROlD
The Cisco Academy was designed specifically as a way for young people to gain access to real salaries and good jobs and keep them off the streets. It was an impact based community strategy. https://blogs.cisco.com/csr/cisco-networking-academy-celebrates-25-years-of-impact
geotard
Hope it works out better for the Memphis mayor than it did for Gotham Mayor.
InfocalypseRising
Turns out people do crime because they want to survive, not because they like doing crime.
Bignholy
People who like to do crime tend to climb the ranks of shitty corporations.
PhailRaptor
I mean, some people do enjoy doing crime. But that's a small % of the total. And I bet a lot of that could be prevented by removing the need to do crime to survive in the first place.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Some gangs - especially ethnic-based gangs - do serve a protective and communal function for their people in addition to the crime. Given the historic treatment of minorities and increasingly unhinged law enforcment it's not hard to see why someone might think "better a gangster who's one of us than a cop who's one of them".
Jefftheonewiththenuke
But what about the video games?!? Think of the children /S
017renegade
Funny enough in some cases when societies collapse it's organised crime that will stand up to restore societal orders.
DangrebeTheMangrebe
That's what happened to catholic church
PhailRaptor
That's because crime syndicates need the structure of society to survive themselves. It's the framework within which they operate, whether they are in control of that framework or not.
rbudrick
Makes sense since they know how everything works already and were already a shadow government. Remember, the real govt is also just a protection racket that will take your property if you don't pay them.
Meltemi
Though fair warning, you may not like the social order they restore. Modern Russia and Putin make much use of the vory v zakone (thieves in law). They emerged in forced labour camps of the Stalin era and took more and more power in the black market, making them very well-positioned to dominate the legal markets when the Soviet government collapsed and their Russian successors went full "shock therapy" to privatize former government-controlled assets all at once, Chicago school style.
Strategicgnomer
To be fair though, they have shopping carts that you put a coin into and get the cart out, AND escalators that you can walk up with your carts, so....
NAbsentia
Add to the Gulag contingent all those unemployed KGB agents, like Putin, trained in coercion, deception, and murder, without anything to do as of 1991.
IDontCareAtAllButIShould
Good jobs and affordable housing is all that's needed to drastically reduce crime. By good jobs it's implied that the jobs pay enough to live on.
mjs2353
But won't someone think of the share holders???
Hammertulski
One of those underbelly shows had a long ride-along episode with dealers in Detroit and the recurring message was “I don’t have any choice here, it’s either this or nothing and I can’t live on nothing”.
thedarkcanuck
And don't crush the worker's soul
soThatWasThat
And a good job means not being treated like a cog in the machine, or exploited once you are working there, or treated like an app, etc
JadeNB1729
Are you really sure we've given a fair try to mass imprisonment and the resulting rampant abuses and slave labor?
bamcobra
Yep
bamcobra
You mean, like enough to pay rent or mortgage and utilities AND groceries? Aw, c’mon.
Wolfshead009
And possibly even healthcare? I mean if we're being all radical and shit.
bamcobra
Some of you just will never be satisfied with what we allow you to have. Jeez!