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For those who forgot, this is a man from California who called the cops in a swatting attempt on another person online. The other person gave a fake address. The cops arrived at the address and something (the cops were cleared) caused them to shoot the occupant of the home when he answered the door.
Everybodygotone
Death of an innocent man? 20 yrs doesn't come close. He should be locked up for life.
ThisIsSteel
Like someone else said on the post on the front page, while this guy should rot let's not forget/excuse the police killing an innocent man.
allcattywampus
It's also kind of a problem that calling the cops in the US is an effective way to execute someone
KirsiKitten
Soldiers in an active warzone can follow the orders of Dont fire unless fired upon. Yet stuff like this happens nonstop.
iRespondBasedOnMyMood
Put a team of Navy seals in and see the big difference. Not expecting high school dropouts who barely passed to be that smart
DrippingWithSarcasm
Wow, something we can all agree on for once.
Fahargo
I hope everyone can agree on the other most recent case, Smollett can get fucked
PardusXY
Except his 5 fans and the 5000 people who are so far up their own politics they have lost all sense.
TatersWhatsTatersPrecious
"the cops were cleared". It's quite rare when they're not.
makesense
And I would agree that the cops acted too quickly here. But in this case there wasn't other evidence before the shooting to act on.(1/2)
makesense
(2/2) Unlike some where they have the guy pinned down and think arm movement is 'reaching for a gun' he couldn't possible get to.
AHistoryofDrunks
I remember this, hope this is some small comfort to that guys family.
HeyOP
1) According to CNN, this plea deal also covers bomb threats to the FCC & FBI; he'd previously received 2 years for calling in a
HeyOP
2) fake bomb threat to a CNN affiliate in 2015. I think this post kinda glosses over the additional details that almost certainly affected
HeyOP
3) his sentence, which was one his attorney requested. Prosecutors wanted 25 years.
HeyOP
4) https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/swatting-suspect-20-year-sentence/index.html link at bottom for the previous bomb threat & sentence.
Luxomancer
Should been longer. 20 years should be the charge for any swatting.
Yoosunofabich
This guy has the most punchable face I've ever seen. I didnt even read the story, I just wanna kick his ass.
meloncanister
okay pussy.
JakeWalmsley
Cops shoot unarmed man. This guy goes to jail.
Muffyns
he sent the cops to the location if he hadnt made a fake police call to get a swat response the unarmed man would still be alive
JakeWalmsley
Yea but like if the cops hadn't shot him he would probably still be alive.
Muffyns
It's also like calling a hitman to kill someone, both hitman and caller would be charged and serving time
obviouslyrob
Those cops are still murderers.
BellsTheorem
"Something caused them to soot the occupant" - Trigger happy nervous cops with poor training possibly?
BarlaVon
cams show there's one idiot who's way out to get a better angle for a shot and another one has to remind him of crossfire
RuricOrhlandis
20 years for murder isn't justice. He should be looking at life.
nabacular
Cops didn't even arrive at the address of the intended SWAT victim. This whole story is pretty fucked
gonzoneko
Not long enough in my opinion .. he murdered a man
uppercasenumbers
Wasn't he charged with 50 something counts? Probably not long enough of a sentence
Decitron
The dude absolutely deserves this, but, trigger happy cops are kind of a problem and should be held responsible/ accountable.
lljkstonefish
responsible/accountable/by their kneecaps over an open fire
AEM5700
tonypotsandpans
This a tremendously disturbing gif.
MySpiritAnimalIsTheUnpopularOpinionPuffin
Dude looks like a colorized picture from a sketch artist.
craycray606
Looks fake as fuck
Ludwigofthepotatoppl
Dude looks like a dunmer.
drakewarnock
Like a randomly generated dunmer.
RicocoBang
Holy shit that's a perfect description
penzick
These needs more coverage so maybe it would prevent other people from doing it.
prolurk
It could also inspire some weirdos too
BarretXIII
yup. if the history, news and internet have proven one thing, it's that there are some truly fucked up people out there. Where's that meteor
Janusha
Arent american cops always, routinely, cleared of any wrongdoing when they shoot someone dead? I mean... This happens every day.
VashtheStampede47
Hardly an attempt if it ended up killing someone.
gamblingpoet
The cops claimed they saw a "gun" in the hand of the victim and shot him in his doorway. As always, nothing happened to the cop.
prolurk
You obviously dont understand the difference between a disturbance call and the swat team being dispatched. It’s ok, be uniformed forever
goodisunpopular
Oh hey, it's you again! Does it have to be the same uniform for forever or can they wear like khaki&polos one day & blue coveralls the next?
MonetaryPolicyAct1913
Then get glasses. Even the blurry footage, I can see nothing in his hands or pants. How tense can you be that you turn into a blind person?
limerind
if only he had political connections and a corrupt state's attorney....oh well
Syrpynt
20 years? No no no. To mitigate this stuff from happening again, we need death penalty if someone dies in the outcome. Sorry, not sorry.
badomenbaddercompany
Dying is easy though. This guy needs to suffer.
WildMontucky
Yes, seriously.
laxgirl94
Good luck, it’s California. If he was illegal they would have stopped the prosecution
WholesomeAF
Hammurabi's code, but seems a bit dated. No?
cyno01
Not if you see the point of your criminal justice system as retributory punishment instead of rehabilitation while protecting society.
mycatsanarsehole
The death penalty has never been an efective deterrent.
BarretXIII
yup. like a dare. denis leary has a bit on how viagra sales went up after listing Death as a side effect https://youtu.be/Sy6o7BKfNZI?t=338
TheNuclearRabbit
For swatting/mass shooters, I want death penalty, but not as deterrent. They've so egregiously violated life that they renounced right to it
mycatsanarsehole
The problem with that is most of them go into it prepared or even wanting to die. You're just giveing them what they want.
Syrpynt
Ok then, perfect. What was the argument then?
mycatsanarsehole
Im not sure what you are asking. My commemt seemed fairly obvious.
Syrpynt
There isn't a proper death penalty in most states anymore. We prison them for life which costs more. *Accidental killings are different tho.
Carefuler
Gets them permanently out of society though. *effective.
GrumpyGrumbo
We put down an animal if it has harmed and remains a danger to those around it, no reason to keep a similar human alive frankly.
mycatsanarsehole
You are a pretty disgusting person.
GrumpyGrumbo
I’m okay with you thinking that stranger. There’s plenty of rings of ethics and beliefs systems. A vegan thinks a meat eater is disgusting >
GrumpyGrumbo
A pro-life activist thinks a woman getting an abortion is disgusting. Whatever religious or moral views lead you to believe that a human >
PonyMadness
To be fair, it permanently deterred the people on death row
mycatsanarsehole
I guess the re-offence rate is pretty low :)
CondescendingCunt
Yet you still have more violent criminal offenders per capita than any developed nation. By great margins, no less.
Carefuler
we have a larger minority population percentage than any other developed nation by great margins, so that's no surprise
CondescendingCunt
Lol, fuck off, you racist twat. In my country, 1 in 3 people have at least one foreign parent and we have magnitudes lower rates of crime.
leela1
No you don't. And if you had done a quick Google search before justifying your racism you would have realized your ignorance.
leela1
In 2017, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Austria. Switzerland, Canada, Austrailia New Zealand all had a greater foreign born percentage than the US
Lambdafish1
The only places to have the death penalty are China, the middle East, parts of Africa... And the US. Says a lot. /a/H6yx6cy
WellThatsOriginal
Not every state in the United States has the death penalty. Those that do, take years, and sometimes decades to execute. You have rights.
CaptBrendan
Yea, all horrible places with really high crime rates and hige corruption.... oh wait japan. Yea japan uses long fall hanging.
ThereIsAJifForThat
Yeeaahhh, I rather not waste money imprisoning shit bags like Jeffrey Dahmer, John Gacy, Ted Bundy....etc
highstream
Death sentencing actually costs more than life imprisonment
ThereIsAJifForThat
Not if you switch it to a bullet or a noose
Livingexistence
I think you severely misunderstand the cost of imprisoning someone...
LabiaCrust
Yeah but we have a source with info, unlike you. https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
Lambdafish1
I get that, you would rather kill them
ThereIsAJifForThat
Yes
ThereIsAJifForThat
Serious question, are you against the death penalty because it is inhumane?
Lambdafish1
I'm against the death penalty because A) mistakes happen B) it's pointless and C) everyone should have the right to live
Fahargo
I'm personally against the death penalty because we have and will continue to execute innocent people
CasualWaterboarding
Sorry, swatting?
ToobleBobbin
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RedPeggy
Getting a SWAT team sent to a person's house by reporting a false threat.
iLikeHockey
Right? What is swatting people? Seems like common knowledge that I missed
AninOnin
It's when someone makes an emergency call that results in a SWAT team being sent to someone's house. Dangerous waste of resources.
goodisunpopular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiW-BVPCbZk Trolls use the IP address to make fake calls about a "crazy gunman"
ParanoidCarrot
swat-ting, watching a stream in twitch then some calling police on the streamer, aka crank calling
Chaimgoldbergenstein
Swatting is when you call the police with a false claim that someone is dangerous; the police are obliged to act upon it, and send in a 1/2
Chaimgoldbergenstein
SWAT team. They usually involve stuff like bomb threats, so the team won't just knock at the front door. 2/2
AninOnin
It's when someone makes an emergency call that results in a SWAT team being sent to someone's house. Dangerous waste of resources.
AninOnin
SWAT = Special Weapons And Tactics
DarkHorseDreams
Everyone knows that, Einstein. That wasn't what he wanted to know.
AninOnin
I was including that for non-US Imgurians who may not know.
CasualWaterboarding
Is it really that easy to get the swat team called in? I thought it had to be Nakatomi Tower level of shit going down to get the swat out.
r000t
It's happened to me hundreds of times. The worst part is that no matter how many times it's obviously fake, they still have to show up.
Emrys12
Apparently they function more as a SaaS (Shooting as a Service). Place a call, they shoot and bring their own excuses.
BarretXIII
the police just need to be given information that a serious situation involving innocent life is at stake, like a hostage.
BarretXIII
They can't be sure the call is fake, cuz if it's real they can't spare the time to be check before someone potentially dies
BarretXIII
imagine a hostage call is made. If they waste time verifying its legitimacy, and it happens to be real, the hostage may already be dead
AnonymousBach
It would only make sense if the cops were punished too. They were as trigger happy as any COD player, just in real life.
IWasWatchingCops1
Listen to the 911 call. You’ll change your opinion. They thought they were engaged with an armed lunatic.
kojenk
Cops should be held to the consequences of their actions, not the circumstances. A higher standard for law enforcement.
User3rr0r37
All the cops knew was that he was armed, had killed someone, and was holding a young boy and mother at gunpoint.
icantbelievemynamewastaken
Well, clearly it was very important for them to act without trying to find anything else out.
ZoltarTalksShitGetsHit
They didn't "know" this, they were told this, and this information should have been suspect from an "anonymous" tip. Cops effed up. Period.
User3rr0r37
Well I'm glad that in your mind you always have the chance to talk things out and assume the best of everyone. >
User3rr0r37
> I hope for your sake you're never put in a situation like these cops.
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
They could have put forth, I don't know, literally any effort to confirm this information before shooting a man in his own home.
krisslanza
It must be nice to live somewhere with Minority Report technology... cops are only human. They can't just dismiss a tip because its anon.
ThatNameWasTaken
And I can’t afford to be shot by a cop. Shoot on sight? I wanna go home to my family too. Feared for my life.
krisslanza
Shoot on sight for making sudden movements, when the cops were responding to a tip on a 'dangerous' individual. Let your pants drop.
KeylessChuck
Then there's this guy who was an obvious threat to the public. He ran down 26 people in a van was taken alive. https://youtu.be/qOW05IVejNE
MonetaryPolicyAct1913
Dude, no killer would answer the door that easily when asked by the cops. The cops were dumb because a killer would shout and shoot back.
User3rr0r37
It's interesting that you know this for a fact. I take it you're very educated in criminal psychology.
User3rr0r37
These were officers put in a lose lose situation.
ThatNameWasTaken
No they weren’t, they had all the power to act and have no responsibility to the citizens they’re supposed to protect.
diablosword
What the fuck? What would they have lost by not shooting the unarmed guy right after he opened the door, bootlicker?
User3rr0r37
Why not just try and have a civil discussion instead of instantly insulting others?
diablosword
Sorry, is that coming off as a kind of "shoot first, ask questions later" response?
WannaSeeMy
Their lives and the lives of citizens they were told were in danger. You don't know if hes armed or not when he's reaching for something
diablosword
Mmmm boot
MonetaryPolicyAct1913
Yes you do. What kind of armed killer politely opens the door first? A killer would shout backx tell the cops to back off & have a shoot out
Winterous
Their lives, if he actually drew a gun.
diablosword
Incredible
simiotic24
It would *also* make sense, not only. This dude is garbage, swatting is appalling, and he deserves to serve for his crime
TheNewGray
Swatting is only appalling because police are willing to kill innocent people.
Beehawk
hold up what? So it's bad because of the police, not the actual douchebag wasting the authorities' time and possibly hurting someone else?
TheNewGray
If it involved a simple invasion of privacy and no deaths, then would the original act be as bad? No. It's bad because police kill innocents
Beehawk
It's not an invasion of privacy wtf. If the swat team find out some dude in the area is holding his family hostage and save them 1 / 3
Beehawk
Seriously, wtf.
JeremyPeevin
Honestly 20 years is a little light to me. A man died.
makesense
I normally agree. Our laws disassociate being a killer from causing a death negligently. You'd see many of these people only get 5 years.
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numnut1987
the kid is mentaly ill. Your mental healtcare system failed. Police failed and all those americans using a fucked up kid as a scapegoat.
maxstout808
maxstout808
And so should the cop(s) that shot him
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
What “caused the cops to shoot him when he answered the door”?
SL18
USA... that’s your thing!
Sm9yCg
Unfortunate level of melanin pigmentation?
WoundedRetailer
After his hands were up, reached down quickly to pull his pants up. One of the police thought he was going for a gun and fired
AndrReich
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PotatoFaminePart2
he answered the door
Loquatsandwildhoney
The usual. Resorting to lethal force first instead of the multiple non lethal options available.
eagleeye33
Agreed, I hate they dont follow othe countries leads and attempt non lethal disarming techniques first
diablosword
Same thing that "causes" 40% of cops to be domestic abusers.
fencer1964
[Citation needed]
LadyGlitterSparkles01
Aren't American cops just trigger happy?
AuryxBecauseWhyNot
What everyone seems to be forgetting is the cops were told that there were hostages at gunpoint.
glassware
Seriously swatting happens all the time why the fuck do police not check it out before shooting
HessianGhost
How does murdering one of the potential hostages that the supposed gunman could have sent to the door help the possible hostages?
Emrys12
But clearly he was reaching for his waist you know, the one place hands dont usually reach?
AuryxBecauseWhyNot
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/14/man-pleads-guilty-call-duty-hoax-leading-deadly-swatting/1999789002/
AuryxBecauseWhyNot
He dropped his hands suddenly. In an intense situation like that, hesitation is life or death.
CaldariBob
"It's coming right for us!"
NicholasFlavius
SWAT is there to shoot first and ask questions later. They are not "peace officers", they are enforcers for the regime.
jackmiton
Well if it was in America they don't need a reason...
orangeisthenewbasic
Police state is the reason
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
I’m scared by the number of people rationalising the cops actions here. So yeah, they went there because someone said a terrorist was 1/
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
there and was wearing a suicide vest. “Therefore whatever happened was because he move his hands in the wrong way”. Well what if 2/
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
they were given the wrong address? What if the person who called them was mistaken (or lying, as it turned out to be)? When you cross 3/
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
a street on a green light (for pedestrians), do you not still look for incoming cars? 4/4
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
Watch the video. They gave him about 5 second between opening the door and firing a rifle killing him. They were across the street BTW.
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
Additionally the way they staged themselves demonstrated to me how incompetent they were because, they were aiming guns AT EACH OTHER.
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
If the cops on the left or right had fired they would have hit another cop. Any cop worth a shit is going to account for crossfire.
IsThatA380InMyPocketOrAmIHappyToSeeYou
I got to act as an OpFor for a local PD standing a SWAT team up. The training was garbage, and they were inept as hell.
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
I am just some jamoke with basic gun safety knowledge and I could see it. Bunch of barney fifes shitting their pants.
IsThatA380InMyPocketOrAmIHappyToSeeYou
The scenario they had us play through was completely static. We weren't allowed to move within the vacant bank building we were in.
IsThatA380InMyPocketOrAmIHappyToSeeYou
They gave me hostages and stuck me in the worst possible room, and wouldn't let me move dynamically for better on-the-fly training.
Tminus1622d
It's the USA, even if you lie down on the ground with your arms in the air, you still get shot. It's their thing.
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bigVanilla
Or piled on top of by 6 of them until you can't breathe and die of suffocation.
MultipleMorgasms
Ive watched a bunch of videos including the two mentioned below rescently and i cant believe there hasnt been a massive uprising yet
minqapoc
That uprising might well get you shot...
MultipleMorgasms
And so can being a completely law abiding citizen.
Zigor22
That’s not a constant, it’s a rarity. It’s a result of poor training and anti cop community, not bloodthirst.
bobziIIa
It’s uncontrollable fear. In every case they are afraid of the suspect. The question is why are they always in such a state of fear?
Zigor22
Afraid that if they make a mistake the media will ruin their lives, that their lives are ruined just by being in that situation. Idk.
bobziIIa
I highly doubt they are thinking of the media at the time, and they definitely shouldn’t be.
Brokecattlefarmer
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-daniel-shaver-police-video-20171208-story.html
Rhodian
How does one not die in that situation?
SchrodingersCommenter777
I watched the video like three times and he shouldn't have reached behind him like that.
YourAverageretardedlemur
Dude was drunk and scared shitless and confused by the officers stupid ass commands. There was 2 officers, 1 could have easily cuffed him.
SchrodingersCommenter777
Get in close range and risk getting shot from around the hallway? Would you put your life in danger like that?
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mrmayortheiv
Took me a solid 5 seconds to realize you meant downvoted. But I dunno. I think we just live in a society where a good chunk of the
mrmayortheiv
Population is way too gung-ho about violence., Especially preemptive violence. The idea that a cop should shoot someone if they aren't 100%
mrmayortheiv
Sure that they DON'T have a weapon (gun, knife, or spork...) seems backwards and monstrous to me. And I will get downvoted for saying so.
BellsTheorem
Lack of quality training.
SpaceDriver7
Lack of intelligence, morality, ethics, empathy and anything else that would make them decent human beings.
HollywoodHells
You're right. Downvotes be damned. They'd rather kill an innocent than take any risk to themselves at all. No training, no responsibilities.
Larirari
SWAT aren't normal cops, they're practically the Delta Force of police. They serve a very specific purpose.
CaldariBob
At least on TV.
wiskinator
Usually just regular cops with special weapons in the trunk of their crown Vic right?
Beeseik
Except that Delta force is capable of busting down doors and taking people alive who are armed and intending to shoot them.
Elsuave
Kill innocent people?
spyw
Is that very specific purpose murdering innocent people? They’re pretty good at that
crota
This is true. SWAT and special action units are usually the guys cops call when they need help. So go figure.
magicrhombus
They are NOT military. They are law enforcement and their rules of engagement are supposed to reflect that.
Larirari
I agree, they're not. And they should and most often they do.
fullmoon
Why wd cops assume a civilian report is legitimate without doing their own reconn? They're lazy and trigger happy.
Mcknizzle
Failing to be proactive is detrimental when time is a factor. Parkland is a prime example of this.
HeyOP
Parkland had multiple complaints over a long period of time, to say the least. There's a lot of room between these two extremes.
Mcknizzle
No, I’m referring to the actions of the resource officer during the emergency.
Donttouchthatwithoutgloves
So many ignorant comments... yes he was unarmed but FOLLOW POLICE INSTRUCTIONS they aren't psychic or perfect.
SpaceDriver7
They are psychopaths and sociopaths.
Donttouchthatwithoutgloves
You are sick.
freetheflower
HollywoodHells
Yeah, because multiple armed gunmen showing up at your door fosters lucid thought processes. You fucking putz.
Emrys12
What he said ^^
HollywoodHells
Maybe "don't kill an unarmed man in his home" is more important than "try your best not to die when inevitably assaulted by police."
Donttouchthatwithoutgloves
I understand that but he literally did the exact opposite of what they were telling him to do
Donttouchthatwithoutgloves
"Put your hands up!" *puts hands up then rapidly down whole police are pointing guns* all I'm saying is follow orders. I've had police 1/2
Donttouchthatwithoutgloves
Roll up on me in their car. Slam on their brakes. Felony stop me screaming "Hands up!". Know what I did? Put them up and left them there.
DavidMcclannahan
That's a terrible fucking argument. Just follow their instructions so they don't murder you, even though their training should prevent that.
HollywoodHells
It's never that simple, my dude. Take your average person, suddenly jarred out of a totally relaxed state by armed people, and ask them 1/
Donttouchthatwithoutgloves
I'm an average person. At the time I was jogging down the street in a normal neighborhood and fit a description. again.l all I'm saying 1/2
HollywoodHells
To do anything in a loud and hostile tone. "Just follow instructions" is easy when you're saying it. Not so much when you're 2/
PiffTheMagicDildo
He raised his hands and then put them back down very rapidly, cops thought he was going for the gun they were told he had on his person.
HmmICantThinkOfACleverUsernameRightNow
Ah. Makes sense.
HULKSMASHMOUTH
probably pulling his pants up. loose belts kill.
Xantiquity
Only way is to be naked i guess
Crooki
So the police are in the right then.
SuperDuperSkateTeam
Also in the right there
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prolurk
Loser take
Chaimgoldbergenstein
I mean there's bodycam footage of the incident, so unless you're going to argue that it was doctored then you don't really have ground here.
NERDRAGEohacat
It wasn't the up and down motion that got him, that was when he was still behind the screen door. You can see in the bodycam (and this 1/?
NERDRAGEohacat
supported by the account of the officer who took the shot) that when he stepped onto the porch, he noticed additional officers to his 2/?
NERDRAGEohacat
right who were about 20 feet away and raised his hand in their direction. The officer reported that he wasn't sure what was in the man's 3/?
NERDRAGEohacat
hand, so he erred on the side of caution and fired under the assumption he was defending another officer. 4/4
obviouslyrob
So they murdered him.
PiffTheMagicDildo
Look up what murder means.
obviouslyrob
Killing someone with intent. SWAT teams hopped up on military delusions loaded with military weapons are a hammer looking for a nail.
PiffTheMagicDildo
“Military weapons” you do know ANYBODY without a record can obtain those weapons, right?
obviouslyrob
Ahhh the downvotes! So many fans of extrajudicial executions!
CapitalNick
Justifiable homicide does not equal murder.
Janusha
To that I can only say getting shot by police is an almost 100% american thing. These people have no relevant training except shooting.
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Janusha
They are the joke. Not me for saying it.
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CapitalNick
So when did you finish the academy?
YeahWellYouKnowThatsJustLikeUhYourOpinionMan
oh i didnt know we were making ignorant statements based off no experience at all today.
vipe650r
Are you fully versed on the training they received?
Janusha
Yes I did some research when I wrote a big thing on this some years ago.
mynameskyletoo
No
vipe650r
Sweet, then you know how bollocks that statement is.
HmmICantThinkOfACleverUsernameRightNow
So if the person you've been told has a gun appears to reach for it really quick, you should let him/her shoot you?
obviouslyrob
Allegedly these are trained professionals. “Shoot first, ask questions later” is not an acceptable stance for law enforcement.
terrasono
Why not bring a ballistic shield?
PiffTheMagicDildo
You’ve seen too many movies as played too much siege
Emrys12
There's so much time between actually shooting and having your hands up in the first place. Could have waited until he at least drew the gun
Janusha
Like I said above... Why does ONLY americans solve everything by shooting. Because they have no relevant training.
nclu
S.W.A.T. is the reason. It’s the exact opposite of deescalating a situation. No perimeter, no recon, no fact verification. All escalation
cyke23
Relevant training for any police force regardless of country is that if they make a sudden movement to the waistband or another area where..
ICantBelieveItsNotAnal
The same thing could happen in other countries. It's a fucking SWAT team, most countries have similar teams.
Maclarion
Good luck linking me to sources for any of that bull shit. Stop talking to other people until you can say better things.
antman2988
100% American thing? Police in some other countries literally go around slaughtering their own people due to corruption.
antman2988
These guys acted on the information they had and did what they had to protect themselves. I used to hate on cops too until I realized how
antman2988
Much they really do for society.
ProgeriaProstitutes
Ok, the US would be a great third world country by comparison, I give you that. But its a shitty first world country.
nzgeek
US police, legally and without any hint of corruption, shoot and kill more innocent people than just about anywhere else in the world.
nzgeek
I should say "legally" in quotes because even though the majority the killings are questionable, the police get only a slap on the wrist.
diablosword
Dont kid yourself. There's tons of corruption. It's just not always relevant to killing folks.
TheNewGray
So they killed an innocent man because what they though was happening was not actually happening.
RydWolf
If it's the one I'm thinking of, they went to the wrong address so they killed the wrong innocent man.
dortmunder
And this is why you comply with the orders from the police.
toothpain2000
I agree, but it go both ways. The individual should comply but cities need to better train police forces for de-escalation. We live (1/2)
toothpain2000
in a technologically advanced enough world that we should be able to have officers safely resolve incidents like this without anyone dying.
CrypticalEnvelopement
'Murica
AfroInvasion
yeah and the reason he raised his hand up was because they were shining a light at him as he walked out and he was covering his eyes.
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Zeuski
It's done to disorient you. Your pupils contract and you can't focus past the cops
TheAngryRedhead
From my understanding, it’s an officer safety thing. Kinda hard for a person to get a good target to attack if they can’t see anything
PiffTheMagicDildo
To disorient you temporarily so you are unable to effectively attack them if you chose to.
Encrux
So you're saying it's there to prevent unnecessary shootings?
xuvial
It's to make you react, and then they shoot you for reacting.
FluffySeaTurtle
No.
PiffTheMagicDildo
Police can only go off the information they are given in these situations. They can’t know everything.
CotterPyke
I will NEVER give up m,y guns you know why? Because Ignorant, trigger-happy BASTARDS LIKE THIS are the alternative! No thanks!
Maclarion
CotterPyke
everybody downvoting my comment can suck it.
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HisBabes
Except they didn’t do any checking up on where they were going or who they were looking for. They are supposed to assess situations.
leodavinci1
The y should know enough to... "Don't believe everything you're told." It's something everyone is taught early in life.
DemSumBigAssRidges
Nah, the guy was literally obeying police instructions, while completely baffled, and got murdered.
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preparationh67
Fuck you, they shot him in a matter of seconds because they were trigger happy retards who didn't even get the latest info from 911
DemSumBigAssRidges
Re-read my comment you soft fucking melon...
PiffTheMagicDildo
He was up until he decided to rapidly move his hands down to his waist.
Dipityseren
No one's fault but his own he got confused. Moved his hands fast: murdering him seems a proportionate police response to me!
CptBronson
It is believed he was trying to stop his pants from falling down.
Thudjy
Still didn't have to straight up kill the guy. Aren't American police taught to shoot (that being the very final option) to disarm?
ChainmailleAddict
I mean, yes. But... wow.
DaulPirac
I see your point, but in a situation like that, can you even control your movements? Guy must have been terrified
gtmiller
This is also known as the universal sign of "the fuck?"
lidocaine85
I’ve never pulled the trigger of my firearm at anyone. That’s because I have never been sure it was a threat.
PiffTheMagicDildo
I’m pretty sure if I knew a guy just murdered two people and he was still armed and he rapidly moved his hands towards his waist where
PiffTheMagicDildo
People normally store their firearms, I’d shoot because I’m not going to go home in a box because “I wasn’t sure”. I’m going to go home
lidocaine85
Yeah, you haven’t listened to the tapes. There is a lot there the cops could have used to at least be skeptical but didn’t.
ottotravel
But they didn't "know".
Imgerruinedimger
Fuck that, no positive ID no shooty. Its that simple. Fuck those cops. Hands at waist level should not be a death sentence.
Emrys12
Yeah i can't help but imagine a group of 6 year olds with real weapons sent out to do real police work get scared and act prematurely
Maclarion
Instead of "hands at waist level," think "hands at holster level." Appearing to try to kill me IS a death sentence, if i have any say in it.
MemesMakeMeLaugh
They still have a job to do. "Not getting killed" isn't their only job. Hence why people have to remind them that other lives matter too.
Imgerruinedimger
Bitch please. Im an 8 year army vet, multiple deployments. Never fired my weapon without positive ID. How many life or death situations 1/
TakeItEasyPolicy
Of course it's dumbasses like you who have all the say in it. That's why innocent people are killed
IrishCyko
True, but outside America the cops would've handled it differently with a tazer or a baton.... You know.. Normally?
BatmansUnderPantsAreSoSoft
This is the dumbest fucking thing I've read.
PiffTheMagicDildo
Sure, using a taser on a possibly dangerous person who as far as they knows just murdered two people with a gun. I’d like to know the person
PiffTheMagicDildo
brave enough to run up to that dangerously armed person with a tazer.
LabiaCrust
So you’re going to trust that the man isn’t reaching for a gun? Also you’ll need a source for your claim.
gtmiller
Swat is almost never needed. Negotiators work better.
IrishCyko
Outside the US, its safe to fix your waistband or have an aul' scratch, because we don't have a gun problem therefor don't end up shot.