Biigs
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Pretty simple really. 78% of those tested feel perfectly fine while testing POSITIVE for corona
Jul 7, 2020 11:40 AM
Biigs
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Pretty simple really. 78% of those tested feel perfectly fine while testing POSITIVE for corona
mmckee44
A Houston hospital is getting CT scans of all the no symptom ++ & finding significant damage. There will be a lot of emphysema in 30 years.
munchmunchmunch
It’s estimated to be 35% asymptomatic in the most recent study but it’s still a decent proportion. Wear a mask.
vash77
If that's the case than how do we know the tests are even accurate? Could we be experiencing false positives?
comehomefransbrauder
I think I had it. Low grade fever, mild headache, touch of diarrhea. No other symptoms. All testing is booked, though.
nonCanadianGoose
Back in Italy, totally unrestricted towns they recorded 1/3 of cases were asymptomatic
SofaKingSpecial
Where I live they won’t test you unless you have symptoms.
HootSloot
We've known for months that the vast majority are asymptomatic.
XanderCorsaj
I always wear a mask in shops and on public transport. But I still hold my breath when passing ANYONE, whilst maintaining social distance
AdmiralJohn
BUT MAH RIGHTS!!!!!
SuperiorPebble
Just putting it out there but this survey was of just over 100 people, that's a tiny sample size.
Malinut
Still statistically significant though.
TheOriginalMikeMan
Maybe it's because the tests were proven to be bullcrap but nobody wants to remember? Didn't a leader of one country test a several liquids>
TheOriginalMikeMan
(I.e. oil from a car, honey, juice, water) and they came back as positive? This ain't some scifi bullshit virus that can survive anywhere.
nerdyash
This could be because a massive portion of the population are asymptomatic or they hadn't shown symptoms YET.
bihlbodf
In other words, for 78% of the people who get it, it's not worth worrying about. For <1% it is. Much like any other disease we ignore.
andremauriceaudet7
For those people, they should be self quarantining. For the rest, we'll be fine.
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
xcopperx
Cant you test positive during the two week incubation period and not have symptoms yet???
WorshipTheSun
I'm 100% sure that 78% of everything said 80% of the time is 100% people giving 1/2 ass opinions.
Grieger
Just wait...even asymptomatic patients are reporting issues after a time. In 15-20 years, we’ll likely see a lot of people with issues...
AtsaMattaForMe
ok, but where are those tests from and what is the accuracy rate on them?
apbadogs
So, serious question, why are we wasting tests on people with no symptoms at all?
StillNotYouTube
We have the capacity to test asymptomatic people now. It's helpful since you can spread it without showing any symptoms.
Imalwaysready
We're still mostly testing people who have a reason to suspect they may have been exposed. If you were exposed, you'd want to know as early>
Imalwaysready
as possible, symptoms or no, so you can prevent spreading it as much as possible.
n0n53n53
In my county in Oregon you still need to be sick, get a doctor's approval, and make an appointment. It's fucking embarrassing
Biigs
So serious answer: outside people/workers going into places were more vulnerable people are, e.g. care homes, hospitals etc
duoplicity
Also, people traced to others with it getting tested so they can self-quarantine to protect others by not spreading it too
Biigs
Sorry link to BBC news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53320155
Retromorphic
Good man
abacus4444
This is quite interesting too, though not overly clear. https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who-comments-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19/
mdzmdz
The study only uses 120 results - not a very high confidence level.
echo1echo
we need to reduce testing so there are far less people testing positive for this virus! Though saying that, i got some nice masks to wear :)
DarwinsWeasel
Is that black humour because it certainly is dark!
Biigs
penzick
Agree. My doc says that I'm 55 now & need a mammogram. I said, no thanks, I don't wanna get breast cancer! That's how it works, right? /s
KonaDarbles
UpgradeCookie93
Some people didn't see the sarcasm...it was sarcasm right, right...??? Lol
echo1echo
always
MagicDoodoo
At least one hospital sent in completely sterile swabs, which also came back positive.
thatoneguywhowasinthatthing
Source?
MagicDoodoo
Sorry, no sauce on that. There's supposed to be a video, according to my cousin, but I haven't found it. Did find lots of false results +&-.
thatoneguywhowasinthatthing
Appreciate the effort of looking tho thanks!
getyourp00pinagroup
actually this is very good news. its further proof that for most people, this virus is at worst a mild nuisance and at best not even noticed
Imalwaysready
In the larger picture, yes, that is good news. But it also means people take it less serious and spread it more readily--including to those>
Imalwaysready
for whom it IS a big deal. If for 90% of people it's a bad cold & only 1% die, if everyone in America got it we'd still have 3,500,000 dead.
Cyberpope67
but they're spreading it to those who are not so able to withstand it.
Kunitsu
and with no idea what makes you immune to the symptoms of it, theres no clue as to who is most susceptible to the havoc it wreaks too =S
Cyberpope67
Right, so practice Universal Precautions(assume EVERY person & item is infectious) & act accordingly(stay home, mask up if you can't)
TargetedAdBot
In Finland, totally we have 261,400 tested and 7,262 of those were positive. Only people with symptoms are tested.
TargetedAdBot
Still, the numbers have been decreasing to ~10 new cases per day. Where does the infected people without symptoms fit in?
TargetedAdBot
No masks used and not many use disinfectant. Restaurants and public places have been open for a month now. Only large +500 events are banned
RatKingCerf
This is why widespread testing is important. It may inconvenience some people, but if the tests are reliable we can slow down the spread
Copperbrat
Finland tends to be more nationally and socially distant than average.
kittykat25909
I wore a mask religiously but still got it. with the country open its not IF you get it anymore..its WHEN.. trump's administration fucked us
LucidPariah
China, the word you were looking for was CHINA! fucked The World! And Trump doesn't control the fucktard anti mask trash.
RedRobin327
My understanding is the mask doesn’t protect the wearer, it keeps the wearer’s germs from spreading.
ink27
From the graphics going around. Its a 30 percent reduction in infection chance if you wear a mask.
Imalwaysready
That is the biggest reason to wear a mask, yes. It's not to keep the germs out, but to keep them IN. That's why surgeons wear masks, too.
Kunitsu
yeah but if everyone is wearing them the transmission rate should still be much lower, hopefully...
Imalwaysready
Exactly. Masks are not 100% effective for a lot of reasons, but they sure as hell lower the rate and slow things down A LOT.
Imalwaysready
It's like sex in a way. Only 100% solution is total avoidance. But short of that, wearing a mask is like wearing a condom. A very small>
Imalwaysready
portion will still get through, but damned if you don't lower the odds of something living inside you by a very significant amount.
TheGoudeAbides
Who’s all ready for the massive deaths from pulmonary and organ issues in late-middle ages folks in 20 or so years?!?! Anyone?
hateanyway
may be already happening. there are reports of higher than expected "background" death rates. of course, trumpers argue staying home kills
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Don't be so negative. Maybe by then they can treat it. So you'll have plenty of time to emigrate to a country where that'll be affordable.
mdh148910
That's fear assumptions, its not HIV where it takes years. If no damage was done during infection, then no changes in years to come.
F0rger
That's a hot take, my man. We know stuff like chicken pox can come back later in life. We have no idea how that looks for COVID-19.
iusedtodream
One, you don't know that. Two, that's not what the experts are saying. Three, there is already evidence of neurological damage, which is bad
mdh148910
I said if no damage happened DURING the infection, none will sneak up later. The damage is done during the infection.
iusedtodream
One, you don't know that.
rainbowsandbees
Good to know!
mdh148910
Yep, basic biology and common sense. But that is seriously lacking in the world rn and fear spreads.
UnrustleYerJimmies
Shingles develops later in life as a result of having contracted chicken pox. Something similar may happen with Covid-19 for mild cases. We
UnrustleYerJimmies
2 simply don't know at this point and we definitely won't have a vaccine ready for the first cases of a secondary disease that may arise.
F0rger
I'm ready for the spikes in deaths after the 4th of July weekend - give me time before I think about the long term effects.
mutingisforcowardsandsycophants
Daily deaths is on a downward slope according to worldometers, and I'm HOPEFUL that's the new trend. Too bad there's no organ damage chart.
ImNicerInPerson
I hope that's the case. It's disheartening reading comments from people who wish death on others in hopes of having a toldyaso moment.
F0rger
You should look at the death rates for FA, TX, CA, etc individually. Death rates are still climbing or holding steady in these areas.
F0rger
But regardless of that, your point on long term damage is still valid and enough reason to be cautious.
mutingisforcowardsandsycophants
I live in California, gratefully, in a county that has like 1400 cases total. I'm well aware. Hence my downcast hopefulness.
pandro
wait two weeks after each public gathering to see the real impacts.
ChetTheRocketStedman
People take this to mean “Rona isn’t that bad and media overblown” instead of “my god I could be unknowingly infecting and killing people”
Vaanhalen
The truth is there are several strains. The asymp strain doesnt transform into a symp strain. That's what the WHO admitted 2 weeks ago. So
Vaanhalen
There ARE 'rona strains that are NBD which is good news, but good fucking luck getting a vax that will stop all the strains. That's the bad.
LychFinderGeneral
I think both might be true, that it's incredibly dangerous and you could unknowingly kill, but also perhaps not as bad as we thought.
XanderCorsaj
I think it comes down to "do anything for others = communism" and therefore "NAW!!"
AtsaMattaForMe
penzick
I love these.
Rafale25
i was about to say that
Imalwaysready
Yep. How people take that statement tells me A LOT about who they truly are at heart.
stankginchfurbuger
That "on the day of the test" right at the end of there is really important
Draco245
Not to mention the whole point is that you're infected/contagious before you know you're sick, not that 78% *never* develop symptoms.
TheobromineAddict
"I feel fine, so if I accidently kill you that's your problem. You genetic weakling."
NebulousPugs
This guy gets it! Plus the demographic most at risk votes red. Lose the mask save the world.
solarscreen
Inner cities would like to disagree with you.
NebulousPugs
They'll be fine just hold your breath when you go out
ninjakicktherabbit
I tested positive no symptoms, stayed away, went to get antibodies test to start donating. I came out negative. No COVID-19 found. Confused
vash77
Maybe the conspiracy theory nuts have been right and the virus isn't real? God I would hate to admit they are right about anything.
ninjakicktherabbit
Absolutely, I would've to hate it too.
ThatsAmazingImNotEvenMad
Anecdotally people are noticing that people without symptoms are less likely to generate antibodies that stay around.
WhoCaresMan4realz
I think there are a lot of studies showing poor antibody formation after you beat the virus. This is especially true for asymptomatic covid
TurangaLeelaIsMyMom
Data’s showing people who were confirmed + for COVID can def test - for antib. It’s testing flaws, & rapidly fading antibodies.
xmaneds
what was your first test? RT-PCR? antibody?
ninjakicktherabbit
It was nasal test
ThePiedPiperofRuination
So it was probably RT-PCR which looks for the virus by trying to amplify gene sequences specific to that virus.
NaturalProgressionGaming
The science is so flawless, I'm going to spend my day arguing about it on the internet with someone!
MrHappySmiles
I disagree.
sothisishowashitpostfeelslike
They have found that many people without antibodies still have a T-cell response, but that's hard to test for.
Fdragon1337
One of the last studies I saw as well the antibodies stick around long enough to kill the current infection and then fade away.
Rayswisstxeese
Antibodies can take a good while, weeks
imnotthatblonde
there are fairly large margins of error in the test, its very possible you had a false positive for the test and never had it
fourstrokes
I saw something where some doctors sent some tests in that weren’t used came back as positive.
khora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuKAg52mz4s
getyourp00pinagroup
there are plenty of tests for various viruses that are notoriously inaccurate
Cazadordebrujos
Same for my son, had Corona but no Antibodies according to test. Dr told us that in many cases with asymptomatic, antibody test is negative
ninjakicktherabbit
Possiblity, but what are the chances my husband and kids are asymptomatic as well? They came out negative. I wish this virus to be old news.
Cazadordebrujos
Could be that they didn’t have it. I had it, my wife didn’t.
khora
People with mild symptoms tend to have a myeloid respose rather than an antibody one, so immunity is much higher than what antibody 1/
khora
tests suggests. The question is if these people will continue to be spreaders on repeat infections though.
ForPosting
What's the difference between a myeloid and antibody response?
khora
I didn't take the immune system course, but I think myeloid controls the innate immune system, i.e. the part that reacts the same to all 1/
khora
intruders that looks obviously suspicious. It doesn't create any disease specific response like the adaptive immune system.
joot
A false negative antibody test is FAR more likely than a false positive viral assay.
VernonLamb
I'm thinking you need to wait at least 6 weeks before antibodies will trigger a +. 8 weeks is better.
HaplotypeX
Hi man. According to Cochrane review the antibody tests were created with severe people's samples from hospitalisations 1
HaplotypeX
Therefore, mild and asymptimatic cases are more likely to have negative tests. There still has to be more research to have a test for the 2
HaplotypeX
Mild cases. It does not mean you don't have immunity. There is at least a little that might last a couple months. But you still might be a3
HaplotypeX
A carrier. So social distance and mask anyway.
ThePiedPiperofRuination
How long did you wait between the virus test and antibody test? It can take a couple weeks for antibodies to build up to detectable levels.
ninjakicktherabbit
It was 3 weeks and 2 days.
ThePiedPiperofRuination
That's enough time for antibodies to develop. That is confusing.
ninjakicktherabbit
Right, that's why I'm confused. If all people my husband would have definitely have gotten it as well.
penzick
That may just be faulty testing: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/06/how-negative-covid-19-test-can-mislead/613246/ or it
penzick
Apparently they're finding that's common: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/studies-report-rapid-loss-of-covid-19-antibodies-67650
RainbowUnicornWanda
Not always. My PT has had the virus. Tested positive on the first test she got. Now we are over 8 weeks further along the road and she still
RainbowUnicornWanda
Has more than enough antibodies to donate plasma for a precautionary immunization for severely reduced immune system people, like myself...
megagreg
That's what I assumed would be the case with this one, since that's what happens with the other coronaviruses in the human population.
ninjakicktherabbit
Is it common for people not to show symptoms. I didn't have non, like non at all. It was scary. I took every precaution. I my heart dropped
penzick
Very common: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus
rockstedi
why do they combine their news and opinion sections. Those two are very different things.
Vaanhalen
Yes but sadly not no more. Opinion informs the news not vice versa
xizar
That *sucks*. It implies immunity isn't going to happen (like after catching chickenpox or measles).
Vaanhalen
Can also just be rampant bad tests. Remember the country that tested a cantaloupe and it came back positive
temujin9
Call me paranoid, but are we sure melons can't get it? Seems pretty transmissible by and to melonheads.
DaveSamsonite
That cateloupe was a huge slut, though and everyone knows it.
penzick
I hadn't heard that one but, yes. Maybe try to find out which test it was & what lab ran it. A local health dept may have info on accuracy.
ninjakicktherabbit
True but I've my test results 8 days after they tested me.
penzick
I'm not sure how that changes anything.
notreallythatunpopularopinionrabbit
Yeah, how long your antibodies last appears to be linked to the severity of the illness you got. Worse = more antibodies
DaveSamsonite
That seems very likely. Light cases might be due to having very few virus particles attaching and activating.
notreallythatunpopularopinionrabbit
I wish I remembered where I saw it, but a couple months ago they were postulating the level of exposure had some correlation to the severity
notreallythatunpopularopinionrabbit
I haven't see anything come out since that has either made that more firm or debunked that theory yet
Barkinsons
Two scenarios: 1. screening test was false positive 2. You didn't produce any (or little) igG antibodies (possible in non-severe cases)
Mioly
Yes and as others point out the antibody tests can be a bit dodge
SwilcO
Third scenario: antibody test result was false negative.
ninjakicktherabbit
Hmm very interesting. When I receive my copy of results from the first test they had my DOB completely wrong.
ninjakicktherabbit
I like to think they mix my results with another. I'll never know . Sad
Barkinsons
That would be very unfortunate, but many countries still run on improvised infrastructure, so gaffes like this can happen
ninjakicktherabbit
And I live in a hot spot state Dallas tx. Oh God!
ThisIsNoCave
Yeah, I finally caved and bought some nicer cloth masks. I've been wearing the inexpensive surgical masks, but COVID isn't going away soon
spac3c4t
Inexpensive? What country do you live in? Our disposable masks are ridiculously priced. But good you’re wearing one.
Imalwaysready
Big Mask is having a field day getting rich off this!
RearAdmiralObvious
Got 5 for 12.50 at old navy. They wrap around the ear but its either that or fuller masks now, which with heat aint great. Here I though thr
RearAdmiralObvious
The heat killed covid....
Avanchnzel
Sameee
Xander12341
*in America. It's pretty close to going away everywhere else it seems.
ochermes28
Soon is the critical term. The Spanish Flu ended in the U.S. in 1920.
ThisIsNoCave
Yeah, it won't be OVER over until a vaccine is widely available, and that takes years
ochermes28
There was no vaccine for the Spanish Flu 1918-1920. Enough people survived and developed immunity where it burned itself out.
defaulted
I haven’t found a cloth mask that I prefer over wearing the surgical mask.
copingcabana
We visited my brother in law in Australia for New Years, so we already had nice N95 masks for the fires.
Harambaegel
Was it reported more recently that it does not spread asymptomatically?
Arianth
The WHO later clarified that they don’t know yet. Also, what they mean by asymptomatic is not “not showing symptoms yet”. 1/2
Harambaegel
Or some people never display symptoms and they're still asymptomatic. We should look to any other source besides WHO/Fauci, by the way.
Arianth
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who-comments-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19/ 2/2
Aradus
it's wierd that here in finland when corona was "a new thing" on march it was recommended to not buy masks bc healtcare professionals ->
Aradus
would need them more, and there was shortage of them.. after that the situation already was getting better and not many people on the town->
Aradus
i live in never wore a mask (to be fair here lives only 120k people). There was anyway discussion is the mask even worth it since people
Aradus
dont wear it right or / and keep touching their face when they put it on and off.. and now i look usa and this political satire and i wan't
Aradus
to just jump off the roof.. like if your professionals say that WEAR IT, then just friking do it or argue if u got degree on Epidemiology :D
Biigs
Ive worn a mask out since day one. I posted due to a clip i saw here of a man yelling "i dont have corona" while having a tantrum in a shop
ShowMeThemCatsFella
I caused a man at an ice cream shop to angrily leave without his ice cream. He walks up to the serving counter with a preorder,
ShowMeThemCatsFella
Takes his mask off to tell the worker while heing about 3 inches from the counter and window, they tell him they dont have his flavor so he
ShowMeThemCatsFella
Leaves. Comes back and says strawberry once again lowering his mask. So I, being the passive aggressive cunt I am, casually say
ShowMeThemCatsFella
No point wearing the mask if you keep taking it off. You can tell IMMEDIATELY this old dude wanted to say something. 30 seconds after
Cyberpope67
sounds like he had mad bro disease. The mask may help, but normally you have to ingest his brain to catch it.
ThisIsNoCave
the C A U C A S I T Y of some people!
oddoregano
MofongoBalls
Yacubian buffoonery is another one I like to use
anotheroundplease
There was an OSHA guy who discussed the diff masks. End result: surgical masks replaced freq best to use
HedonistBeard
The best mask to use is whichever one you actually put on. The rest is just polish.
zachtidmore
Hey, Poland is doing pretty well case-wise!
nosuchusername
NapkinBob
I mean, I'm sure in terms of effectiveness there are differences, but I think what you're saying is the mask you put on is better than none.
HedonistBeard
For a lot of people debating "which is better" is just delaying or complicating getting a mask on at all. We shouldn't feed into that.
tatischief
Yes they are but they are also very unecological. So reusable with added filter is my to go.
LadySorela
As long as you clean it frequently you should be good. I spray mine with hand sanitizer everytime i come home, & wash it every couple days
probshouldntsayitbut
Yeah I wonder if after the dust settles (deaths stop) anyone will look at the environmental impact of all the ppe
BenderRodriguz1010
The gloves are everywhere I go on the ground. The worst
SoLongSaulGood
Environmental impact of hospital waste is so incredibly complicated that there's whole regulation boards for disposal of it.
admiralawesome4213
probably not great, but we've massively declined in pollution in other sections so it kinda makes up
ShowMeThemCatsFella
So we looking st a net zero or...
EranL
Do clothes masks filter as good as n95?
sunyudai
It's kind of a 2nd best option, but cloth masks can be reused and N95s cannot. So I use cloth to keep more N95s available for those who need
Tomadzo
Leave N95s for medical personnel. Simple masks are to prevent you from spreading. It’s social cooperation to protect each other
ThisIsNoCave
If your health is at risk (you're immunocompromised, you're elderly, etc) an N95 is absolutely the mask you want.
SomeDetroitGuy
That isn't the point. The filter really isn't gonna help you much. The point is to stop your spit and snot from spreading the virus you have
ThisIsNoCave
A properly-fit N95 actually *will* help you, which is why medical professionals use them. But not everyone needs an N95
xizar
I have an n95 and a filter I'm saving in case the wildfire smoke hits my area again. That shit fucks my asthma. Doing crap masks for covid.
Biigs
And also stop other peoples (ESPECIALLY those idiots without masks) spit and snot getting into your airways when you breathe in.
Cyberpope67
To some, lesser, extent, sure, but primarily to keep your germs to yourself (& to stop touching your face!)
xizar
The cloth masks are terrible at keeping things out; you're wearing them to save others (as you have noted elsewhere).
ThisIsNoCave
No, a properly-fit n95 is still the best, since it does the best job at actually protecting the user from the aerosolized virus. BUT... 1/2
Cyberpope67
N95 is more than you need, but exactly what hospital & 911 workers need desperately. Pls donate it
jamadrien
That's also what fox news tells everyone. If you have one use it.
ThisIsNoCave
"more than you need" isn't necessarily true. If you're at risk health-wise, an N95 is the most effective at keeping you safe in public 1/2
Cyberpope67
I was speaking in general & generic "you"; you make a good & valid point re vulnerable persons & N95
ThisIsNoCave
2/2 for instance, an elderly relative has to fly across the country to see a medical specialist. He needs an N95 on the plane.
ThisIsNoCave
2/2 most transmission seems to be from droplets, and almost any mask can help prevent the user from projecting droplets.
Gonnaderpya
Ya I've been using a gaiter since the start of this shit since I couldn't find any masks at the time that would get to me soon enough ?
NapkinBob
But a cloth mask is still far better than no mask. If the decision is cloth mask or no mask, it's a no-brainer.
ThisIsNoCave