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"Dismissal without real and serious cause": a French employee wins her standoff against Tesla
Sophie, a product specialist at Tesla France, was dismissed for economic reasons in 2020. A decision considered abusive by the industrial tribunal in 2022. The Versailles Court of Appeal has just confirmed and ordered Tesla to pay her more than 100,000 euros. (=$103,100)
See? that's what happens when a country's Judicial system is here to protect the workers.
thaGh0stD0g36
Supposedly Tesla is sued multiple times daily and I would really love to see the scorecard on how these are turning out
CyberHexx
Fucking France with their Freedom. I wonder what that's like. I wouldn't know. I'm American.
norrinraddsboard
And this dick wants to delete the CFPB here in the states.
PaddyPatrick
Let me know when she collects the debt.
JUSTAnxious275
No, that's what happens when people know workers will do something.
lostforever
I feel like a $100,000 fine means he can just do it again...
cosonfused
*this time*
ILuvMyUserName
When he took over Twitter he started deeming people to have resigned for not ticking a 'yes' box within 24 hours in an email he sent to the execs in Ireland. That backfired too. Took about a year and a half to get a ruling. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/2024/08/13/twitter-ordered-to-pay-550000-to-executive-who-failed-to-respond-to-elon-musk-e-mail/
Clockworkdancerobot
France has some good protections for workers. A friend works at a company with an office there, the company had to pay a lot to close it.
Pally01
Ol' Musky will soon be tweeting how CONCERNING the state of race relations in France is, and giving money to the most reich wing lunatics in politics he can find.
HunglikeaHamster
Problem is that the most right wing lunatic in France, and that's not even Marine le Pen, has called for a ban on electric cars..
TheS4ndm4n
France has great workers rights protection. Also their unions will burn the country down before they let anyone mess with them.
Iaimtomisbehave
As it should be.
Funkypeeg
It's not all pink though. Some, not all, union leaders can also be power hungry characters that don't necessarily have the worker's best interests in mind.
TheS4ndm4n
Problem in the US. Much less so in France.
AbelardSnazz
Unionism in the US was always hampered by its close ties with organised crime - some unions were little more than rackets
cosonfused
that's not exclusive to France though.
MADchemEE
Power corrupts, you say? Lol - yeah, I get it. The solution is always radical transparency & democracy & freedom of speech.
But not "£re€dom of $peech" as held by "Citizens United" decision.
DeeplyBroken
Saudi Arabia is a mostly horrible country, but our labor laws do heavily favor workers over employers. And they are strictly enforced.
aztec00
Only on paper though.
AbelardSnazz
Unless they’re migrant workers building the new World Cup stadiums who are virtually slaves. 6500 died preparing for the Kuwait World Cup, who knows how many will die in SA. Call me old fashioned but major sports events shouldn’t have a death toll
DeeplyBroken
Kuwait isn't KSA. That said, workers from western countries tend to fare well. I can't vouch for the safety of migrant workers from random locations, but I do know that they are well-compensated. I got to know one Sri Lankan guy who had been a lawyer in Sri Lanka but earned more than 4x as much as an office boy in KSA.
YuffieK
I'm sure Sophie would've liked getting compensation for unlawful termination without struggling through 5 years of litigation.
WoodHandle
*And then losing.
relsky
What? That just doesn't make any sense. That money belongs to the shareholders!
/s
MissSiesta
I mean, legal expenses of the winner is normally covered by the losing part in such suits (in Norway, at least)
Einstein9073
that's why we have punitive damages. fun fact, texas limits punitive damages to $750k, regardless of the crime in question, but DOES NOT tell the juries that. (they found that juries tended to find exactly 750k in punitive damages and lumps the rest into actual [i.e., recoverable] damages)
Eldibs
Could your lawyer, in court, inform the jury of that?
BType13x2
That's a part of tort reform and is absolute bullshit its the same thing that prevents you from suing for an amount of money that would be required to support you for the rest of your life after someone's (read a corporation) actions leave you barely alive and needing lifetime care. Juries will award 25-30M, and the judge comes in and has to pencil in 2M as it is the maximum the law allows. And 2m runs out fast when you are injured in your early 20's and need lifetime assistance.
1stDrunkJoe
Unknownhost7
Greg Abbott after his injury which made him rich through suit and he got elected to Texas fuhrer, he passed legislation to ensure no one else could ever sue for as much money as he did. Can't make shit like this up XD conservatives pulling the 🪜 up behind themselves like always.
https://www.texastribune.org/2013/08/04/candidate-faces-questions-turnabout-and-fair-play/
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
Sure, but that's apparently what it takes when you're first-mover against Tesla :-(
Hope, this will help others, so they don't have to endure the same.
YuffieK
Big corpo will often drag a case out, spending 10x, 100x or more what a payout could be to make sure the little guy doesn't win.
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
Yup, 'cos if one little guy wins, they all can. So, it is often a good investment for them to squash down the little guy like that :-/
MisterPrimeMinister
See also: Radium Girls
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
Terrible thing those girls endured :'-(
Smallfuzzycreaturefromalphacentauri
Tesla has problems hiring German staff here in Germany, as they have a terrible reputation, poor compensation compared to BMW, VW (that’s another issue), etc. I spoke with a guy who works at the local gigafactory, he is from the states, and he was thrilled to work here stating he got 25days vacation, health insurance etc. I told him that these things are the bare minimum by law.
ArthurT
But Elon belongs to the GSDP German Social Democratic ( They are none of these, they are fucking NAZIs ) Party.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Slide him an application for BMW or VW.
Christ, Tesla is so bad they have to H1B americans out of the states xD
MinimumContributor
Isn’t VW doing a big downsizing?
Smallfuzzycreaturefromalphacentauri
Yes, they are, all car sales have declined and the expected uptake on EVs has not happened.
MinimumContributor
I was an intern with them after college and it was amazing the way you treated as an intern compared to being expected to do it for free in the U.S.
emu314159127001
Damn, have to brush up on my German and go over there. Maybe meet a nice woman
MinimumContributor
Do it!
Smallfuzzycreaturefromalphacentauri
If you have IT tech skills a German language skills are optional, more so if you move the Berlin
Smallfuzzycreaturefromalphacentauri
I just read my comment, my English skills are getting worst every year
DrKonrad
Haha, I love when Americans discover how things can be better outside the US... "but I thought US was best country in the world!"
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
I'm American and can say I know it's not. Failing on s many levels.
johnxbear
Literally nobody really believes that. It's a running gag.
nickswoop
A lot of Americans know it, it's just almost impossible to leave without wealth and/or family ties to another country
TheFakeCraigFerguson
Fuckin trapped :/ couldn't even move states if I wanted. Though thank God I don't. I live in CA. Pricy but safe for someone like me.
derJake
Only 25 days? Wie lächerlich!
Smallfuzzycreaturefromalphacentauri
I know, I get 35 days vacation, 30 plus 5 for being Schwerbehinderte.
derJake
Well that sounds … fun. What line of work are you in, if you don’t mind me asking?
Smallfuzzycreaturefromalphacentauri
I am a Sr. Systems Admin for a fintech
treknor
full 40 days paid vacation bitches ! .. oh not true .. 42 days this year .. fuck yeah
ItsMoreComplicatedThanThis
Let me guess - IG Metall? =D
treknor
nope. much better :) EVG
Smallfuzzycreaturefromalphacentauri
Sweden?
treknor
Germany