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GotGirls
Stop with the god damn politics already and no, no, no to a socialist America. Immigration is a real problem. Why say it's not?
BoomboxGuy
Been a socialist all his life. It shows.
heyguysimtom
The face you make when you're sick of seeing bernie sanders posts
FutureHermit
*too
Vandaliam
I came here for this. Good grammar is important. Bless you.
prodigy93
On today's edition of The Bernie Circlejerk
rossimus
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/i-dont-like-thing-ok.jpg
AdolphTheRedNosedReindeer
I don't think it could have been as bad as the Reagan-blowing Obama-blaming circle-jerk at the GOP debate.
vladimusvonhackenslash
The circlejerk continues.
rossimus
The inevitable circlejerk comment is so much a part of the Bernie Sanders meme now
HereInDuckburg
That should tell you something
McFarvo
Day 146: their horse is now in the upper atmosphere.
FourCatsAndSevenMemesAgo
BoomboxGuy
The face you make taking a dump and realize there is no toiletpaper.
MelonScoop
The face you make when you take a dump, then realize it bought a toupee and is trying to run for president.
TheMythicalJackalope
I am seriously taking a shot right now and that made me do a double take. We're safe though
zachzac
Oh shit why did you have to say that when i was mid-poo
TheCobraChicken
The face I made when Imgur can't stop riding Bernie's dick.
vowofloudness
Always check before you start! Basic stuff.
Compendyum
Sometimes he refuses to brain and forgets.
zachzac
I forgot
vowofloudness
shit
Koshunae
Sometimes the shit is so intense there is no time to check
Felman
That face you make when your future self shows up because he ran out of toilet paper so he steals yours.
GuardsmanMiku
I mean its complicated, but immigrants stealing jobs is kinda a thing, at least in the UK. But ya, its complicated.
AdolphTheRedNosedReindeer
In the US the only jobs they're stealing are farming jobs. Commercial and retail jobs don't hire them because of the risk and the hassle.
corditedelite
Not worried about job stealing. Worried about voter fraud, cartels, identity theft, and the cost of services provided to
Ivegotabastardbehindtheeyes
No ones going to steal your identity, you eat tacos on Sundays.. Eww.
ArcaneConjecture
Immigrants give more to the economy than they consume in services/benefits. They also lower wages, that criticism is legit.
fedthepoopy
Cartels are because of our retarded drug policies, not immigration
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
lol voter fraud, you need to reassess your priorities buddy.
xzhous
IIRC voter fraud was found to be significantly less than the disenfranchisement that voter id causes among the poor.
AmiAthena
Also most voter fraud occurs via mail, not in person, so it's doubtful it would have an impact anyway.
CaptainHughJass
I'm dirt fucking poor making just over minimum wage and I have a voter id. It isn't that hard
xzhous
IIRC it's older disadvantaged minorities who have no need for things like a driver's license / state id
corditedelite
I can see life without a driver's license. not sure how without an ID though. Unless you're just a dependent on someone
AmiAthena
It was something like 2 cases in 20million votes, and they prevented half a million people from voting over it.
corditedelite
My solution: make legit citizenship significantly easier
NK892
Another secretary processing visas will reduce illegal immigration more than another guard patrolling the border.
swaggersaurus
I think that is most peoples solution. That isn't the problem and it is not that simple
PlumFly
This is the most logical thing I've heard. Perfect.
3stag
Tbh I don't know if that's best ether. It doesn't matter who they are, we will run out of room. :/
CidEquinox
Room surprisingly wouldn't be an issue surprisingly.
3stag
Not just physical room, though sprawling is happening in a number of Texas cities.
ThePsychoanalyst
Wat
3stag
At some point it won't matter if they are legal or illegal, if we made it significantly easy we would still have similar problems.
rockinandrollinandwhatnot
Not sure who thinks immigrants are "stealing" jobs. Illegal immigrants-the ones that have no legal standing to be here-thats another matter.
ThaddiusAustin
the key word is 'illegal' we are better off revising our immigration system than do grant amnesty or deport. both options are pretty bad
3stag
We can't keep up with this, on top of that they depress wages.
ArcaneConjecture
Instead of hiring American college graduates for entry-level jobs, employers legally import cheaper foreign workers on H1-B visas.
blazera
they're not taking the the jobs, they're being given the jobs by an employer.
Dispari
Technically, immigrants are stealing almost 100% of the jobs.
RdizzyC
Stealing jobs that noone will do for similar pay anyways. I see them as keeping the products/services they do cheap to afford.
Dispari
I was making a joke with my above comment, but yes, they do fill a need by doing jobs nobody else will take.
JManCub
I got your joke. Technically, all US citizens except Native Americans were immigrants at one point. Sorry you got downvoted.
4stringsFTW
Why do liberals always use that dumb argument? There wasn't a country here when natives had it. There were no borders and no government
Dispari
Either too smart for people, or the joke is overdone! I have plenty of points to field a few bad jokes.
srslydude
I think people are just stupid sometimes
Cheesecakecrush
Ah yes the Bernie Propaganda
dougiefresha
Im 100% against burning bernie into our minds with no detail of other candidates. But id found thia to be 85% funny
rossimus
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/i-dont-like-thing-ok.jpg
thisplaceisnotforyou
Ah yes, the mocking of people for sharing ideas. Here's a thought, if you prefer a different candidate, post something about them.
DirtyA
you don't really know anything about this website do you?
McFarvo
but getting downvoted to hell doesn't get you to the FP where anyone will see it
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
when you have millions of people that would work for $2/hr it's going to lower wages
PeteButtigieg
but the trickle down effect.
mojoesodope23
It almost seems like the real issue is that companies are hiring those people illegally, and no one really holds them responsible.
JesseJames18241
So a report I heard once is that when they cracked down on them, they had to stop because it was killing the companies and the government (1
3stag
We should hold them responsible. They should be fined the cost of deportation for all their illegal workers, sounds fair.
JesseJames18241
Can't do something that destroys a business. Or something to that effect. (2
ArcaneConjecture
Yes, business is sacred. Even if we lose our borders, rule of law, and middle class.
JesseJames18241
Yeah its crazy. I think it was more about the sudden impact of losing a bunch of employees at once though.
squeedge
Are you making a crack about waiters/waitresses?
LovelyLadyLumps
Servers get $2.13 p/h here in Texas. Most of it's claimed b/c the majority of ppl pay with credit cards.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
no, immigrants
squeedge
Sounds like waiters/waitresses to me. I think you were more insightful than you intended to be.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
but you're right, that both cause wages to decline. however, i think it's a bit misrepresentive w/waiters because they earn tips
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
immigrants are low because even low pay here is a lot of money back home, which is where they are sending earnings, they just need the job
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
well wages for waiters are low because they would rather work for tips, and the businesses would rather they do that too
jsavidge
I always thought that most wait staff would rather have a steady income, than have to depend on tips. Can you direct me to a source?
MorrisMcGurk
Can we not use imgur as a political platform please?
grimwyrd
No politics? No T&A? What are we allowed to post, Princess? Just kittens/puppies? How about you use your up/down votes and we'll use ours.
DirtyA
you're about eight years too late, at least.
ThePenIsMightier10
Amen.
enealio
Can we not use imgur as a religious platform please?
ThePenIsMightier10
Good point, sorry!
HereInDuckburg
I SAID CAN I GET AN "AMEN"?!?
Warumbel
Why would he win ? He's the worst stand-up comedian of the lot. Talks about issues and stuff. Nah.
Sayh
that's the face when you get into an argument with someone who is really dumb and you're upset and also concerned with the education system
Tangerine102
That's the Bill Nye Debate Face
Nivison
Eh, if the average IQ is 100 that means that half the population is below 100 and 1/4 IQ is below 50.
MurderedByAFunkyColdMedina
Friend of mine is running for local gov. He went to DC training his advisor speculated that he won't win because he comes off as old &grumpy
JasonWelcome
You mean the *memorization system.
ridetheshoopuf
And if you try to argue with them you are a douchbag who always has to be right .
SpenceOrSpencer
Oh my lordy you put it into words
kerms
So an elitist prick?
HereInDuckburg
Pretty much. The political experts on Imgur are way smarter than everyone else. Praise them or be labeled a racist or a moron.
illegalacorn
better idea... don't be a racist moron and you won't be called one.
HereInDuckburg
Perfect timing, here comes one now!
JohnWildkins
No, no, that's a cum slut. You've got it all wrong.
kerms
gr8 reply m8
Jerenemy
Doesn't say anything racist or moron, yet you still call him/her "a racist moron". What's the deal cum slut?
Mdp2525
Not everyone who disagrees with you lacks intelligence. They just put or see value in ideas you don't. Seriously, it's this view on both 1/2
Flyndaran
I'm pro-choice 100%, and despise those against some abortions but not others more than those 100% against.
KansasComrade
Why? You don't think there's any difference between an 8 week abortion when it's congregate cells vs 37 weeks when it could be born?
PsychopompGecko
People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts, and too often they want to reject facts and claim it's an opinion.
Crimpwithyourthumb
Had a convo with a girl that had the opinion that vaccines cause autism. 1st person I've met who thought so. They don't. Scientific fact
PsychopompGecko
I know people who think Obama was born in Kenya. Still. Bonus points: one of them's a big Ted Cruz supporter.
Crimpwithyourthumb
She was like, it's my "opinion". I said "in that case, it's my opinion the earth is flat". Freaking people
Flyndaran
If people disagree based on internally consistent based beliefs, I'm fine. Too few people on either side doing that though.
LiveLikeLarry
*cough* Trump *cough*
HereInDuckburg
I dont even like trump and i find you all annoying. Same shit on Imgur every single day. We get it, but its not clever or funny anymore
BigMaup
But of course you get voted down for saying it. I agree with you my friend and no amount of downvotes will change my opinion.
Jerenemy
Downvoted; but no shame in being right.
MichaeIJCaboose
Lightweight.
JuanMoreNight
Caboose!!!
MichaeIJCaboose
MEEE
the1conch
(Stupid!)
SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled
The face you make when you know better how to run people's lives than they do, but pesky things like liberty and freedom obstruct you.
Vorengard
The satire is strong with this one. I love it
Muppetwarior
you sound like a man that doesn't like sucking bernie dick. that don't fly around here.
michealikruhara0110
The face you make when the billionaires hoard all the freedom for themselves.
notme222
Yeah, Becaue that's how freedom works. We all just take from the big freedom pile.
whyteraven74
Except he doesn't want to run people's lives.
smokemybarrel
You, I like.
totesronjeremy
I am curious at to what you mean by "run people's lives"
thisplaceisnotforyou
It's a phrase idiots use when they lose and don't get their way because their archaic and draconian beliefs have been DOWNVOTED! -1 for GOP
HereInDuckburg
Hmmm...-7. You must be some sort of idiot
Deftscythe
I mean... pretty much the defining characteristic of a presidential candidate is thinking they know better than you.
SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled
It is these days.
Deftscythe
With the possible exception of Washington, it's always been true. Running for president is saying "I should be in charge of everyone."
SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled
It extended beyond Washington because for quite awhile the Presidency really wasn't all that powerful of an office. Now Presidents make law.
notme222
Or any opinion really. But the difference is restraint. I don't want to force my opinion on anyone. He wants to force his on me.
Deftscythe
What I'm saying is, that may be true for Bernie Sanders, but there isn't a candidate for whom it's not true.
notme222
Well ... Gary Johnson. But you mean in the main parties and I agree. It makes me sad.
PsychoWaffle
I don't know Gary Johnsons viewpoints but you sure that's not just confirmation bias from agreeing with them?
vulgarjack
Really cause the whole "women's rights" thing runs undeniably in opposition to that
SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled
Come on, I know he's real old, but he wasn't around for the women's suffrage movement.
FFPatrick
Nice
vulgarjack
That's where wimmin rage on surfboards right?
FFPatrick
If women really did earn 78 cents for every dollar a man made, companies would only higher women and drop 25% of overhead.
vulgarjack
My dog would be able to tell me why that wouldn't work. Maybe you should take off your misogyny shades so you can see better
FFPatrick
Well then what are you doing on imgur, you should be marketing your talking dog. Women OVERALL make less than men OVERALL (1/2
FFPatrick
2/2 because men OVERALL choose more complicated, more technical or more dangerous jobs that pay more, to name the main factor.
vulgarjack
So you're saying if women only wanted to make more money, they could? That the reason that more women aren't CEOs of companies is because1/2
MoreDonutsPerDonut
That face you make when---hey that cat looks hella fat from this angle
MissRids
That cat is hella fat...at least when yhis picture was taken
kerms
Imgur is so full of college kiddies with fledgling political opinions impressed upon them by their professors.This place reeks of circlejerk
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MV50
As someone on the fence I still don't understand. When have any Republican frontrunners mentioned lowering middle class taxes?
rossimus
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/i-dont-like-thing-ok.jpg
PunchViolenceInTheFace
Better hire these highschool and college students while they still know everything.
blazera
ad hominem
speakhands
Yeah, educators are the problem. I'm sick of all those well-educated people knowing less than me and my degree in common sense.
Jerenemy
A career in academia does not equal education from experience.
kerms
The problem is these college kids are so impressionable that they can't separate opinion from education.
speakhands
Graduate degree holders are the demographic most supportive of Sanders. Are they too impressionable or are you too ignorant?
kerms
You're blind to the culture that the university environment breeds and confuse it for validation of opinion or intelligence.
speakhands
LOL go ahead & believe that universities are indoctrinating on arbitrary bases. Bet you loved God's Not Dead. Care to explain the logistics?
justforth
The face you realize your opponent has a hidden agenda but you´re afraid the spectators may not realize its against their own interest.
XMasnaX
=.O) The face you make when you don't want to work and blindly drink a cup of Socialism.
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3stag
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/EURUSD:CUR socialism only works short term.
Dasde1
Le sweden strawman
PMMeYourAttention
Talk Bernie to me
JSmith90
They took arrr jerbs Bernie
phdinhorribleness
http://www.lookhuman.com/design/92446-talk-bernie-to-me
sangatster
He really sounds like our best bet.
ferrants
duh na na na duh na na na duh na na na
haquie
Ah fuck you beat me too it take the updoot
AmbiguouslyPunny
Im Bernie, I'm Bernie, I'm Bernie for youuuuuuuu!!
TheBlackHearted1
I'm turned 18 in May, I live in Washington state, just curious if anyone would teach me how to vote?
honeyboob
#FeelTheBern
DevonGronka
Let's raise the minimum wage so no one who works full time has to scrape by, and the extra income can boost the economy.
the1conch
*seductive sax*
helgur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxopViU98Xo
amoebasUNITE
Yet the girls swing trumpets in silhouette, in the video. As alto/bari sax player, "STOP STARING AT THAT BRASS!"
klucky
Saxamaphone......saxamaphone....
cardiokillsgains
saxamoan
TheGhostMinx
Talke Bernie to me.
CarlTheLlamaBoy
*saductive sex*
JossWhedonsGhost
There are more prisons than universities. ;)
BlankMage
Are there more prisons than schools?
gmfunkd
Socialism scares people with lots of money, Bernie probably won't get elected...but I am sure going to vote for him since I agree with him.
BlankMage
No, what scares me is that we have an 18 trillion dollar national debt and people are screaming 'free college and healthcare, go Bernie!'
gmfunkd
To fix the country, massive infrastructural changes need to be made, debt or not. If we continue like this, 18 trillion will be nothing.
gmfunkd
And infrastructure change will take more than 4-8 years to get lasting results.
GenghisKahn
Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
louder you slut.
PMMeYourAttention
Mmmm yes baby keep going
GenghisKahn
Washington is dominated by big money.
PMMeYourAttention
oh GOD YES
GenghisKahn
If a financial institution is too big to fail, it is too big to exist.
GenghisKahn
One in four corporations doesn't pay any taxes.
thisusernamehadbetternothavebeenchosenalready
you forgot the classic Bernie "Did you know that..." in front of your phrase, sir
joojoogajoo
I came
mrpumbaa
oh yes you did i feel it
BlankMage
Citation needed.
SmellyPotatoMan
don't* corporations is plural
SomeDutchGuy
Yes, but "one in four" is singular.
vowofloudness
One fourth do not, one in four does not.
SmellyPotatoMan
one fourth is singular though. it is a single number.
vowofloudness
But we're not talking about the number, we're using the number as an adjective modifying "corporations", which is plural.
scarywaffles97
Oh yes, more
Montablac
the cost of living is too high with the current minimum wage rate
Fenrir1
Oh yes I'm so close
Montablac
GET OUT OF MY HOUSE!
KristinaProbably
Raise the taxes on the 1% and restore the middle class
Rabidchiuaua
Mmmmmmmm
TheBitcherThreeMilfCunt
You sexy bastard
EClaire1073
You're missing a "damn" in there.
Montablac
You trusted me... and i failed you....
FlamingCh1cken
People why are you down voting this classic "Too damn high" reference?
Watermelonpants
Fuck Bernie Sanders.
Iloveyoubuffalo
Enlighten us!
ArcherOfTheGorgonites
Well, that wasn't very nice.
rossimus
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/i-dont-like-thing-ok.jpg
RottGut
Sigh...why?
RottGut
Or just blindly downvote. I don't mind, I'm to busy being sexy anyway.
Iloveyoubuffalo
Happened to me too....they can hate on the Sanders bandwagon but can't tell us why??
Luciuslucullus
Always downvote Bernie
rossimus
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/i-dont-like-thing-ok.jpg
AdolphTheRedNosedReindeer
Always downvote downvote Bernie comments
MissRids
Guyz....it was just a funny post...Look at the kitty cat...
MadKingRyan
Don't worry OP, I laughed.
Rawrihazshotgun
It has pax man on it, I would call it pac the cat
TheSwedishCryptid
DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO!
Krzyjoe
but it wasn't funny...
EtherealRune
Your cat has a pac man about to eat a dot.
jsktrogdor
THE KITTY CAT TERKIN ER JABS!!!
justino37
TERKADERR!
VanillaIcing
You posted politics on the internet, what did you think was going to happen.
AsianDad
A well thought out discussion between two apposing point of views in a most civilized matter? Or we can have 1vs1 sword fight to the death!
VanillaIcing
I don't own a sword, but I'm willing to put in like $5
Muppetwarior
^This
Lionskull
if you want to support bernie, don't talk shit about other candidates. He doesn't want his campaign to be about that.
WhimsicalCalamari
OP isn't though. Just talking about particular views that a few opposing candidates hold.
SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled
ah, using the ol' 'John Stewart' defense: sure it's inaccurate & misleading to the point of an all-out-lie, but i'm just a comeeeeeeeeedian
GMOmonsterMadeFromAutisticVaccines
Source on when he's done that?
McFarvo
you are my hero
TastyBrainMeats
Cite that shit. Inaccurate how? Misleading how?
SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled
all immigrants are not unemployed; medicare/medicaid/ACA; there isn't a giant fucking wall; abortion is legal; the part about child raising
TastyBrainMeats
And as for abortion, yes, it's legal, but a whole bunch of states are doing every fucking thing they can to make it unattainable. (2/3)
TastyBrainMeats
"Legal" doesn't help when the nearest abortion clinic is 150 miles away. (3/3)
TastyBrainMeats
immigrants take shitty jobs no-one wants (mostly); ACA is a good step but we need to go further; Trump wants to build a wall (1/2)
cronkey
Making fun of John Stewart on Imgur...
SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled
Using the term "pays off" in the conventional sense, no, it really never does.
superflydontbotherme
I tried that a few weeks ago, down voted so much they yanked my sign on
cronkey
Some people pay good money to get their sign on yanked.
superflydontbotherme
Nice
MyDogJake
How come no one makes funny of Bernie's hair?
AdolphTheRedNosedReindeer
Because it's actually real.
rossimus
I dunno, it wouldn't garner any laughs?
SWS8964
Because there's barely anything there.
SWS8964
trump's hair looks like a rabbit pelt glued to his scalp though
Enemaconomist
"The face you make when you're trying to take money from the productive to buy the votes of the economically illiterate."
SteamingScreamingCommie
This times on million.
mrwaffles
Aww, bless your socioeconomically illiterate little hearts.
aCrowLeftoftheMurder
I'm surprised there's no replies to this saying, "but it works in Scandinavia!!!!"
Josak
Except Bernie supporters are on average wealthier and more educated than the the average by a very large margin, so... the opposite?
speakhands
"lolololol" - the rest of the Western world while watching dip shit American armchair economists like you radicalizing a centrist
jmwtp
This man legitimately cares. You can see the passion burning in his eyes.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Yes. But a big heart doesn't mean he's the best man for the job. Tebow legitimately cares about football, but I wouldn't want him on my team
kaynewesticle
*berning
eachmanslifetouchessomanyotherlives
He is definitely passionate and very genuine. I admire that. At the same time, I disagree with him politically.
Vorengard
Oh please. How'd it work out with the last politician you lot worshiped?
Lamplovesme
Very well, cost me 200 dollars to get all my wisdom teeth removed.
TheSecondPiewackit
Pretty good actually. Nothing you lot said was going to happen ever happened. In some cases the exact opposite.
SugarSmack
But now what's he gonna do with all those bullets he's been hoarding?
TheSecondPiewackit
Have a few orgasms at the range, I suppose...
ThePenIsMightier10
Obama raised my costs plenty for no gain (through that awesome ACA, where are the taxes on the rich he promised?). Socialism? No thanks.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
and a fully implemented gov't single-payer system would be far more efficient and cost-effective. (2/2)
ImJustOverHere
Socialism is a social and economic system characterized by social ownership and/or social control of the economy. Bernie wants free market.1
ImJustOverHere
Therefore what he is for is a progressive tax to fund social welfare programs from the government with a free market economy.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
The ACA is a garbage mashup of gov't providing healthcare subsidies but also letting private interests profiteer from it. It's terrible (1)
ThePenIsMightier10
Got you back to 1, I agree on the garbage part at least. I'm surprised ANYONE liberals included are happy with the ACA.
grimwyrd
Yes, because healthcare costs were not going up at an insane pace before Obamacare... #facepalm
ThePenIsMightier10
#facepalm all you want, costs went up even more for the middle class after the ACA. This is common knowledge.
grimwyrd
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wo">f1.png">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/08/kff1.png - http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1360151/original.jpg
grimwyrd
Yes, healthcare costs more today than it did 8 years ago under Bush. But the rate of increase is about the same regardless of ACA.
ThePenIsMightier10
the ACA not shit? Why anyone regards obama as a good president is beyond me... other than dems want to cheer for their own.
ThePenIsMightier10
What the fuck? She is self insured (her and my dad own their own business) and now pays $150 more per month for that piece alone. How is
ThePenIsMightier10
The rate of increase doesn't mean jack shit. Without the tax to insurers we would be paying less. Even better are the "one off" bull shit
ThePenIsMightier10
situations... which really aren't "one-off". My mom for example, 57 years old, can't have a baby, yet REQUIRED to have maternity coverage.
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ThePenIsMightier10
So what? Socialism is even further left, proves my point more.
AdolphTheRedNosedReindeer
The point is, Fox has been playing "The boy who cried socialist" with centrist Obama, now an ACTUAL socialist is here, people ignore them.
ThePenIsMightier10
You are giving Fox too much credit. Of course they will go all out against obama, just like CNN , NBC etc will against the GOP nominee.
ThePenIsMightier10
If Bernie doesn't get elected, it's because we don't want socialism here, not because of a conservative "news" source.
unclestankstank
The presence of illegal immigrants in the US *does* divert labor jobs from the working class and cause severe economic bleed.
datswatshesaid
Show me one economic study from an unbiased source that shows this to be true.
SidneyHarbor
The bigger problem is that businesses take advantage of illegal workers because they almost NEVER report abuse, due to deportation risk.
AngelRick
And securing our border could quite possibly help stop illegal trafficking of other illicit items.
jawsnnn
I wonder if you guys will continue this trend of "aliens stole my job" when automation arrives in a big way. And it IS coming like it or not
Stupidpeoplearestpid
The jobs weren't stolen though, they are there for anyone willing to do that work. People born in a country dont get dibs on the jobs
mcbcmchn
Seeing as illegals aren't allowed to work, and others need permission or have to become citizens to work, citizens get dibs.
thetonestarr
Well, people there legally should. No problem with legal immigrants getting good jobs.
TravNel
Yeah but anytime you attack illegals the liberals just change the subject to immigrants to make you look bad.
whyteraven74
It helps if you don't act like immigration law has always been as it is now, also it helps when you don't scapegoat people.
thisplaceisnotforyou
I think you give liberals too much credit, it's hard to make xenophobes and bigots look worse than they already do. *Braces for downvotes*
JanglesTheMoonMonkee
Illegal immigration- if you get enough people to do something, suddenly it's legal.
WhatRaySay
well, try this, instead of "attacking", discuss, and instead of "the liberals" maybe address people with a bit of maturity and respect.
SWS8964
%s/liberals/hippies
WhatRaySay
what?
SWS8964
what?
unclestankstank
That's about the time that I let them know that I'm a first generation American.
physicianwho
I'm native American. Get off my land.
mcbcmchn
The land you took from other natives? When is your tribe returning the land they stole from other tribes?
mcbcmchn
Why is conquest only an issue when we can hate on white people for it?
thisplaceisnotforyou
It also keeps lettuce below $25 a head because it's not gonna pick itself and you're probably too lazy to do it.
MrIsambardPrince
If we want to pay every worker like 75 bucks an hour sure lettuce might be $25.
thisplaceisnotforyou
That was called hyperbole. Kinda like when conservatives say obamacare will bankrupt the country. Do I need to explain rhetorical devices?
unclestankstank
Agricultural subsidies are what really keep our produce so cheap.
thisplaceisnotforyou
And if you buy that I've got some ocean front property in Arizona I'd like to sell you.
notme222
Legal immigration also increases the number of workers without increasing the number of employeers.
unclestankstank
But without an averse effect on taxation and fair labor practices coupled with degenerative economic bleed.
notme222
I wasn't saying illegal is better. I'm saying there's a reason we don't have an "unlimited' plan.
unclestankstank
Are you referring to an open border policy?
notme222
That's something different and specific, involving foreign workers. I mean we have a limit of 675,000 new citizens accepted per year.
FridayNightRamen
You are a Nation based on illegal immegrants. Why do you all hate them? They are basicly the reason you are great today.
jacquesrobespierre
As an American we are basically indoctrinated into cognitive dissonance from children in a way that is very, very hard to break.
Anon143
And that worked out so well for the native population of the time didn't it?
FridayNightRamen
Because people treated them as shit. Now they do the same thing. Some say all people are equal. But some are just a bit more equal for them.
rando84
Which country are you from & what is your nation's approach to illegal immigration? Modern economies only need so much unskilled labor.
FridayNightRamen
Actually illegals don´t have to be unskilled. I just dont understand the hate against them. Why dont you give them the same rights as 1/2
FridayNightRamen
american workers. The they won´t take your jobs because of their low payment. Works great in my "socialist" european country. 2/2
FridayNightRamen
*Than they...
rando84
I don't hate illegal immigrants (nor do most Americans) & I don't think we can or should deport them all (the DREAM Act would address this)1
rando84
but we also can't allow everyone that wants to enter the US to do so. Illegals aren't necessarily unskilled, but the vast majority coming 2
ThePenIsMightier10
It baffles me why no one wants to get illegal immigration under control. It's not like we're saying stop immigration all together ffs.
datswatshesaid
Has anyone actually said they support illegal immigration. Of course it's better to immigrate legally.
unclestankstank
It's because arguments that rely on appeals to pathos go a very, very long way in politics.
datswatshesaid
Has anyone actually said they support illegal immigration. Of course it's better to immigrate legally.
ThePenIsMightier10
No one is saying lets stop it. It's all amnesty and calling people who want to lock down the border "racist".
datswatshesaid
EVERYONE is saying to stop it. That's why there is some bill every session of Congress. It just never passes because we can't get along.
ThePenIsMightier10
Bullshit, no Dem wants a fence up. Anyone with half a brain can see every illegal that becomes legal is a Dem vote, and they know it.
rando84
No developed country in the world wants or allows unchecked illegal immigration, the US is no exception.
ThePenIsMightier10
Could have fooled me, no one is offering any suggestions on how to curb the illegals, and anyone who tries to gets called "racist".
jsktrogdor
Except when Alabama & Georgia forced migrants out of their states their agricultural sectors crashed because they couldn't find workers.
datswatshesaid
Thank you!
whyteraven74
The sad thing is it ever came to that. We depend on food being picked if you won't pay those who pick it proper wages, something is wrong
thisisprocrastination
....at the substandard rates they were paying immigrants, that is.
unclestankstank
Yea, back in 2011/2012. The sector has normalized now. They're actually leading in poultry now that there's a huge shortage.
Crims0nTider
Stop it. This doesn't help their agenda. Clearly any attempt to enforce federal law is evil!
jsktrogdor
http://mic.com/articles/8272/alabama-illegal-immigrant-crackdown-destroys-farm-business
Beleg7
It also generates additional economic activity, so it's not that simple.
bobs419
It does - but also they don't have to pay taxes on said jobs.
BoomboxGuy
With all new criminal activity I would say it's a status Quo.
Captain4merica
Excellent point
Vorengard
Except those people don't pay taxes and send a huge portion of the money back to family in Mexico, so its a net loss
region12sec
But they do purchase goods, housing, services, etc. Kinda hard to send a "huge" portion back when you're making below minimum wage.
CidEquinox
You do know south and Central America isn't labeled "Mexico" right?
Vorengard
You're right, I'm completely wrong because I didn't list every possible geographic area the money could go to in my 140 character allowance
datswatshesaid
They do pay taxes. What, they just don't pay for food? With the massive amount of different taxes in the U.S. you can bet they pay some.
Vorengard
They dont pay into social security, and they dont pay income tax
MrIsambardPrince
Well if they're making so little it wouldn't be much in taxes anyways right? Also shouldn't we blame the companies that hire these illegals?
datswatshesaid
http://taxfoundation.org/blog/immigrants-and-taxes
datswatshesaid
Paid $100 billion last decade. https://news.vice.com/article/unauthorized-immigrants-paid-100-billion-into-social-security-over-last-decade
unclestankstank
I definitely agree that the situation is much more nuanced and complex than the imgur character allotment will afford.
JesseJames18241
Imgur wants to have conversations, but then it'd just be Reddit...
unclestankstank
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TheToll
But how long can it last? Will it generate additional economy if 30-40 million more poured in the next decade or so? Some day it will break
region12sec
yes, it will. More people living = more food purchased + more housing + more service. Our economy isn't a finite size.
TheToll
But why doesnt the same people generate the same income in their own country? If you move the whole population of mexico to US over the
TheToll
night, would that lead to them immeditaly have more money in their pocket?
Armored0Titan0
Actually it's already slowed down to the point we've got a pretty much equivalent amount leaving as we do coming in. In a few years, we
Armored0Titan0
might actually have more leaving than coming in.
misterfuckles
You're exactly right! They pay for things like apartments, making the housing shortage even worse for Americans!
MrIsambardPrince
http://themindunleashed.org/2014/02/18600000-vacant-homes-united-states-enough-every-homeless-person-six.html
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whatthehell13
And the price of produce will equal that of a cheap car. At least it might get rid of vegetarianism so it wouldn't be all bad
whatthehell13
And the price of produce will equal that of a cheap car. At least it might get rid of vegetarianism so it wouldn't be all bad
Verelse
Good point. In other words, let's all eat bacon.