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Apr 9, 2016 4:16 AM
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xheroth
But the couple insisted that the Christian cake shop makes them one rather than go to the one that was down the street.
IAmBait
Thats like forcing a Rabbi to marry a muslim couple.
boltactionjake
I still bet Jesus didn't eat with a vegan
Glidingboulder
And this is why Matthew 7 means so much to me, they are people, who deserve to be treated as such and not be judged.
VielSpass
Who's telling who to do what? Oppression divides, both oppression of, as well as by, gay persons. Jesus cared about all. See your own hate
aUsername85
If they don't want to make the cake - that is their right. Take your $$ somewhere else and let the bigoted cake shop go out of business...
BairaagiVN
The "religious protection" laws are often very narrow and specifically targeted only at "religious" beliefs against gay/trans people >>>
BairaagiVN
>>>but there are no protections for religious beliefs against things like mixing meat and dairy in the same meal, or w/e. It's obv. bullshit
rambosmurf
IDK if someone doesn't want my business I have a tendency to take it to someone that does.
AyyGusti
I'm vegan
IAmBait
We get it you vape
Tyrael918
I can have dinner with a gay person, but why would I engage in an act to support them. What act did Jesus do to support stealing/adultery?
EveryonesRaping
Imo, it's wrong to discriminate ala not letting them in the store or selling them an existing cake but ludicrous to insist they cre8
Wimpymind
its about freedom to run ones own company as one likes. If you deny this, then you have to accept the jewish showshiner being forced to 1/
Wimpymind
shine the shoes of the neonazi in full ss uniform. Either that or you have to accept different rules for different groups. Thats facism.2/2
Wimpymind
shoeshiner*
ButImmaTouchThaFishyTho
Oh, Sky Cake...
gangstanick
But did Jesus eat with a gay dude?
CliveBarkersMysteryHole
It's already been all over facebook, tumblr and whisper, I supposed it was only a matter of time before it made it's way here.
Hadashi
I think it was the message, not the cake, wasn't it?
1dogsfordays1
What if the message is in the cake?
DarthFutuza
Yeah, if they had just asked for a cake, the owner's would have been happy to do it.
caiuscassius
He also told them "Go and sin no more" John 8:11 He didn't want people to continue in a life of sin.
famicus
But considering he walked with and loved the man he knew would betray him, that has to speak toward his capacity to love and forgive.
caiuscassius
but he never condoned sin...he forgave it. definitely not the same thing
famicus
I literally used the word love, not condone.
Boleen
Jesus makes great tacos
SpaceCunt
I'm going taco crazy now. Thank you for that.
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SpaceCunt
Heh, heh.
SpaceCunt
Dammit! Now I want tacos.
ICouldUseANap
@OP, you know, don't you, that you opened up a can of worms.
SpaceCunt
Heh, heh.
cwsams
I don't agree with the anti gay Christians but they should have the right to kick ANYONE out of their shop for any reason.
TruthHammer
private businesses should be able to refuse service to whomever they wish for any reason.
ratfaceddog
What about public ones?
TruthHammer
public business and services should be held to the highest degree of scrutiny for any type of discrimination.
1dogsfordays1
Agreed.
1dogsfordays1
I don't even know what the other side to this argument is.
sosofosho
Should you be able to refuse service to blacks because they're black? That used to be the other side. I would say yes, you should.
FrackingBleepBloop
I am not for turning people away based on sexuality, but why would you want to force someone to do something?
skcidjelcoshdk
It should be an equality issue. You cannot deny blacks into your dinner, you shouldn't be able to deny gays a service as well, or anyone tfm
FrackingBleepBloop
Well duh, but who is to say that just because they have to do business with you that they will do their most quality work?
Wimpymind
last/ it is after all, YOUR shop. That does, and should, carry more rights with it than a customer has.
Wimpymind
I wouldnt want to force a jew to accept muslims or neonazis into his shop. These things have to be equal for all groups, or its facism.
Wimpymind
I think you should be able to deny blacks entry into your establisment. The bad press is on you, but it should be your right.
thepurplewind
Gays aren't thieves though
Histrionical
Are you sure though? I've no idea what it's about, but I have heard of a thing called "Butt pirating" or something.
TruthHammer
Technically correct.
aeroz36
Well, partially correct since gays can still be thieves, it is just not an inherent trait
TruthHammer
What would a gay thief steal?
aeroz36
GlitterSeriously: The same stuff a straight thief would steal, like money
TruthHammer
But would they spend it differently?
aeroz36
I hit enter instead of space XD
Apostle
Yeah He never endorses the behaviour. He loves the people but he most assuredly doesn't bless behaviour that's contrary to His Father's word
funkjacket
you people are hilarious https://thedebateinitiative.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/tattoo2.jpg
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Carmichael106
Usually people just say we're getting married, not, "Billy Bob Bobber is my fifth husband to be!"
Mtumbe
If they REALLY worried about the sins aspect they shouldn't go with a "LALALA ITS NOT A SIN IF I DONT KNOW"-approach.
funkjacket
You have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows. Did you know homosexuality isn't a sin? If it is, Jesus ain't your savior.
funkjacket
Oh wait, you're one of those people who believe you should be put to death for wearing clothes of different fabrics, or for getting a tattoo
Apostle
No, I'm not- but thank you for reading what I said and being comfortable in assuming what I really meant...
funkjacket
You have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows. Did you know homosexuality isn't a sin? If it is, Jesus ain't your savior.
gerdygerdygerdy
Explain
funkjacket
the whole "died for your sins" part wipes out the "old testament" rules, which is why no Christians keep kosher, for instance
gerdygerdygerdy
It didn't wipe out the law, the new testament just explains the new covenant. Being "kosher" is an old covenant tradition, not a god given
gerdygerdygerdy
Law. Read the difference between law and tradition. Sinning is a matter of the motives of the heart, not what we eat or wear or how we
Placeboy
I'm sorry, but love between two, consenting adults isn't a sin. The bible was written by people, not God or Jesus.
gerdygerdygerdy
I'm confused. So what the Bible says doesn't matter, or there is a place in the bible where it says that? Sorry I really don't know
Placeboy
Eh, closer to the first. But I mean more along the lines of "the Bible is dated and written by humans, not some divine wisdom."
Jameski07
Jesus did those things for 2 reasons. For the people who needed Jesus the most and for the ones who thought they needed Him least.
Syzygy77
Which is which
Jameski07
The ones who think they need Him least will need Him most. Their way to heaven is through deed, action, kindness but not Christ alone.
mosesfunk
Serious question here, do you have verses to back up this claim?
Jameski07
The chief priests, Pharisees all thought Jesus was a heretic. They needed Him most but they hung Him. Matthew is a good book to start with.
mosesfunk
I've read the bible, I just haven't read any verses that say this. It sounds like this is your interpretation, which is fine, but not canon
RenamedUser
I've always lived by "Love the sinner, hate the sin" because when people needed Jesus, he extended Love to them. I have no problem (1/2)
RenamedUser
(2/2) with the command to love others - it's great. But I also think I should be able to deny my services without having charges brought up.
OcelotMatrix
If Jesus died on the cross to fulfill the laws of the old testament & you still follow those laws, what are you saying about his sacrifice?
poetatheart
Are you only in service to people that follow the word of the Lord?
Jameski07
No greater love hath a man that would lay his life down for another. Enter Jesus.
dunecat1337
Pretty sure there's a pretty seriously non-judgemental theme there. He was happy to chill with anyone who was up for it.
Dupr
No. Where do these ideas come from?
tubbers06
Chilling isn't what he did. Teaching, leading by example. Just because I treat you with respect doesn't mean I agree with your choices.
tubbers06
Don't get me wrong, I support gay marriage. The government shouldn't base laws on religion. But don't base religion on popular opinion.
NightingalesBlackAce
Nope. Above reasons apply
dunecat1337
Yeah, that 2000 page book is cut and dry. Nothing left open to interpretation...
NightingalesBlackAce
Pretty much
mosesfunk
You're kidding right? If it is so cut-and-dry, why are there so many denominations?
DadOfTheHouse
I've used this argument before with my religious in laws and they said "but he didn't eat with gays"
whathavewehere
That's hilarious. Also tragic.
DadOfTheHouse
Agreed
newsguycraigevans
Your reply to them should be "prove it".
Vaanhalen
Start with an epic lack of understanding of Christianity. Never failed the media before.
ICouldUseANap
Great comment!
graehall
For something supposedly created by a super intelligent being it sure seems difficult to get straight what it is and isn't.
graehall
Because a super intelligent being would make a compelling argument with clear points on which all could agree. But there aren't.
DarthFutuza
Humans aren't always rational. In fact most of the time they aren't.
famicus
Some also argue the bible is written enigmaticly to encourage it's study
famicus
I don't get it. What did the meme fail to understand?
HathaldirTheYoung
Christ was reaching out to sinners to try to change their behavior, not in any way to condone it or support it.
famicus
But did his out reach begin with the sinner 's repentance? Or did it begin with their asking for help, or them showing vulnerability?
DarthFutuza
Depends on a case-to-case basis. He understood men's hearts so he knew what they personally needed.
HathaldirTheYoung
We aren't relay told specifically, though I would assume it began with repentance, since that made up a large part of his teaching.
tubbers06
We are told specifically. Jesus asked for help. He asked the woman at the well. When she helped, THEN he offered everlasting life.
RenamedUser
We're given examples of both. What I take away is that I should extend my love and welcome anyone. That way they can talk or ask for (1/3)
Histrionical
Well, see, they have a lot of fodder to work with. Start with an epic lack of understanding of Christianity in... well, Christians.
BingleyBingleyBeep
Sad, but true.
Dupr
"Jesus would support gay marriage." is something that someone who does not understand Christianity would say.
subparusersubber
Religion is gay
jmhood90
Without using Pauline texts, show me some evidence of this.
Dupr
Matt 5:17. His sacrifice removed the corporeal punishment, it did not make sins to be no longer sinful.
jmhood90
1/Sure, but do you understand that the Greek for the type of Sodomy that is condemned in the Bible only speaks of penetration between
CliffWestern
Saying its blanket sinful is something an unquestioning christian would say.
Dupr
I'm not making a moral judgement here. But it is a tenet of Christianity that willingly engaging in gay sex acts is forbidden.
CliffWestern
there wasn't a word for two men in a monogamous pairing during that time period. That concept didn't exist in language at that time. 3
CliffWestern
of men having sex with men but it wasn't homosexuality. Most were married and were cheating on their wives for example (greeks, romans ect)
CliffWestern
the reality is thought that homosexuality wasn't something that was actually defined until much more recently. Yes there is historic cases 1
CliffWestern
not neccisarly. There is a lot of problems with that idea outside of just translation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezQjNJUSraY
SLAANESHonNSFWposts
Jesus was also apparently smart and reasonable. So you can't really force those standards on everyone.
Rikimarudevil
Ohhhhhhh noesssssss!!!! Hahaha! Burrrrnnnnnnnn!!!
GuardianOfTheUserSub
Ooooooohhhhhh burrnnnnn
Rikimarudevil
Ha!!!! I was going to just say that...ill say it anyways.
Dupr
Jesus wouldn't bake a cake for a gay wedding. That's Buddy Jesus™ you're thinking of.
DorianBlack
Separate from the new testament there is no credible evidence JC was a real person BUT the characters words & principles are A1 solid.
LukkaPucca
I think most historians agree that Jesus existed. Of course most arguments are whether or not he did those miracles
CoolHandRK
Plus, you cant expect Jesus to represent how Christians should act. He was Jewish.
LukkaPucca
Lol this was one of the funniest comment I've read. I hope to God you are trolling
121AAD
Ahh my daily gay atheist preachy post by 12 year olds neckbeards who have never read any basic philosophy
RapCatTheRappingestCat
Sooooo....philosophy and the bible. How are these related exactly?
ThisIsGod
I dunno, man. Dude got himself stuck to a cross so how smart was he if he couldnt reason himself down to a proper stoning, eh?
retunedspider287
Your username makes this
ArchDracon
Reformers are typically very intelligent and are usually killed based on circumstance. In this case saduces thought it would discredit him
ThisIsGod
Well it shut him up for a few days.
ArchDracon
That is one of the funniest jokes about the resurrection I have ever hear. It warranted a full explanation a lol would not suffice
CaburSkirata
there was that one time he cursed a fig tree for being out of season...and that other time he made a scourge and attacked people with it...
Varimothras
I'm pretty sure he only whipped the animals out of the temple. He did flip some tables, though.
CptRobotNinja
Have you ever met a fig tree that wasnt an asshole? Cause I havent
CaburSkirata
Harsh...but fair
dunecat1337
Maybe he was just a really friendly tard, like Forrest Gump.
Turdnado
Yes, that's the ticket; the son of God was a "friendly tard." Actually, could be legit. It offends me, but is plausible.
dunecat1337
Who better to unconditionally love all of humanity. A dog, I guess. But obviously Jesus wasn't a dog.
Turdnado
If he just didn't speak and act with such wisdom this would totally check out. Would that we could all be more like Him.
dunecat1337
Reportedly. The New Testament is about Jesus. There's no gospel according to Jesus.
jsktrogdor
I dont think anyone in Palestine 2000 years ago could reasonably be called "smart and reasonable."
ICouldUseANap
Why?
dunecat1337
He's a Zionist.
jsktrogdor
Because they didnt know bacteria exist or that women should be treated equally or that humans should never be owned by other humans.
dunecat1337
Leonardo Da Vinci didn't know bacteria exist.
jsktrogdor
Yup. He was pretty fucking stupid. Socrates was wrong about almost everything he ever postulated.
IStoleYoCookie
He was smart for the time, I bet in 2000 years someone will say "because they didn't know how to make a quantum generator at home"
jsktrogdor
Are you saying we're smart? Have you met us? Have you seen the state of our world
cocoakoumori
They didn't even have teleporters, they just went everywhere in person like fucking animals, so stupid.
zeldabutts
Hey everybody! Let's ask the dumb guy what smart and reasonable means!!
jsktrogdor
- Says Zeldabutts.
ICouldUseANap
Haha.
CapitalTBE
Would you make a Jewish person bake a Nazi cake? I know it's not the same thing but people have a right to refuse service if it bothers them
bluegargoyle
Like when restaurants in the 60s refused to serve Black people? That worked out well, didn't it?
librarywyrm
(1/2) Can a business refuse to make something they find offensive? Yes. Can a business refuse to make something for a person they find
wanderess
In every case that has made the news, the couple is asking for a design that the baker already offers to straight couples.
Histrionical
Well, there's also the requests for same-sex caketoppers. "Can we get two men in suits?" "NO!" "Why?" "... It... makes the cake taste bad?"
grimwyrd
Actually, in many cases people do NOT have the right to open a business to the public and then refuse to serve a minority of that public.
librarywyrm
(2/2) offensive? No. See the difference?
TheLastSouthernGentleman
So they can refuse to bake a wedding cake but offer to sell them cup cakes and they'll be in the clear? Just getting a feel for your stance
librarywyrm
(3/?) would not otherwise make. It's discrimination when said bakery is asked for something they DO make but refuse because the customer
librarywyrm
(2/?) it or that says "kill straight people" in icing or that depicts human so organs. It's okay for a business to refuse to make a thing
librarywyrm
(4/?) belongs to a group the business owner dislikes. Hope this helps.
librarywyrm
(1/?) I actually don't understand what you're asking. To clarify, a business, such as a bakery, can refuse to make a cake with a swastika on
TheLastSouthernGentleman
I'm asking if it's okay, in your opinion, to not bake them a cake for a gay wedding as long as they don't refuse service to gay individuals.
librarywyrm
(1/2) No, it is NOT okay to refuse to make a wedding cake for anyone. It is a service they already offer, refusing based on the customers'
librarywyrm
I can't see my last reply. No, it is NOT okay. Refusing to make the wedding cake was/is discrimination.
librarywyrm
(2/2) sexual orientation is discrimination.
flatdeer
He ate with them to preach to them and try to get them to turn away from their lives of sin. Are you sure that's what you want on your cake?
xbxoxy
awesome answer LMAO!!!
ElbowdeepinElmo
I wouldn't hesitate a second to kill or die for cake so yes
dwilson0725
Cake or death?
ArtArchive
Exactly. He didn't have dinner with them to congratulate them for their behavior.
poetatheart
I don't think He would want them to feel shamed and like outcasts either though... Does refusing service really embody the Christian spirit?
poetatheart
or spread the message of the Lord?
xmaneds
Hey! I was enjoying my short simple narrative -- don't go bringing "THE REST OF THE STORY" into it !!!
Treblaine
"Wow, this cake is so good it turned me straight!"
xbxoxy
it was made with vagina fluids (im just asumming it was made for a guy)
dunecat1337
More he refused to judge and offered unconditional love.
gerdygerdygerdy
He did judge. He let people know when they were sinning, but also told them there was a better way.
AnAppallingActOfSloth
Uhh... Have you read the bible?
dunecat1337
Unfortunately.
DwayneTheSonRockJohn
Why unfortunately? Whether you believe in it or not there is still value in understanding a point of view.
dunecat1337
It's just really long and boring.
chloramphenicolderivative
He smited the fuck out of a fig tree because he got salty that it didn't have any fruit.
IArVrySmrt
Yeah. It's pretty fucking black metal as fuck!
DarkShroud
I guess you missed the whole lake of fire and judgement for our sins sections of the Bible.
JayZay547
In the new testament, Jesus died for our sins that we couldn't repay. We were going to hell, and through him we don't have to. He did 1/?
dunecat1337
Allegedly.
JayZay547
Offer unconditional love, but he never refused to judge. Rather he came to make it clear we couldn't get to heaven on our own. He was 2/?
MorgothsORing
Isn't it conditional love though? Cause unless you devote your life and love him back he'll cast you into a lake of fire/refuse to save you
famicus
He never refused to judge?
JayZay547
our scapegoat. I once heard it like this: before he died, we were in a sinful world, in broken bodies, and so we had no choice but to 3/?
famicus
Jesus' purpose was never to judge, as he represented man while on earth. The bible always says judgement is left for the father.
newsguycraigevans
This cannot be overstated
Dupr
Wow. Do you ever not know the Bible-or even general tenets of Christianity. Matthew 25:31-46 Jesus will Judge the world, among other things.
famicus
I'll be sure to check that verse out. Of course I'll be sure to read surrounding passages to ensure I gain the full meaning.
rambosmurf
Of course he judged, he loves us anyway. But he commanded his apostles to stand against evil
CliffWestern
do you understand what he meant when he said "let he who is innocent cast the first stone"
Corsair212
Are you forgetting the part where he said: 'go and sin no more'?
CliffWestern
actually maybe we aren't communicating properly. What is judgement to you?
CliffWestern
how is that a judgement? That is a message to carry forth.
graou13
So Jesus said "go and sin [...]" back then?