The last leak was about the Bradley in December of last year. The documents were not classified, they were marked controlled unclassified information. Still amusing though.
A clip in one of the comments says this is a tank model currently being supplied to Ukraine; you can count on there being someone waiting for it. After all the prior incidents, I'm pretty sure that Russia and China, at least, have a few people assigned to keep tabs on that place.
Thing is, wasn't it confirmed many times that the info that get leaked isn't exactly confidential or highly secret or at least, nothing any major countries doesn't know about already anyway. It's still classified document but it's not high tier secret.
Apparently Are you a War Thunder player is now one of the questions that are asked of you while you are doing your polygraph exam to get your clearance
Lolololol. No it’s not. Examiners aren’t going to burn time asking that specific of a question during the run. Standard counterintelligence questions asked at almost every PG will catch this. Then you’ll be grilled heavily during post exam questioning, specifically about why you’re reacting to certain CI questions. Eventually it’s divulged or you’re removed from further processing.
The stuff getting leaked is not really highly saute information. And is likely widely known already by foreign governments... things like a use manual for a tank. The reason they don't shutdown the entire forum is because it's not really a problem, they probably get more from publicity. Just shutdown the thread when things like this happen
Actually, there's been some very spicy stuff put out there. Like the exact design aspects of a highly classified weapons system that hadn't been leaked yet. Some deign documents have also been leaked by people who had access to databases they shouldn't have. It's been a mix of controlled handling and actually classified documents.
A lot of them are just people reposting stuff that leaked long ago. But pretending it's a fresh leak makes for better headlines, just as claiming stuff's classified when it's really just not for public release.
People like to prove they're right. Also a lot of the stuff is only somewhat restricted. Like it's *technically* allowed, but only just, and war thunder remove it to be on the safe side. As far as I know no legal punishment has happened to anyone posting this stuff.
Also our military is fucking awful in so many ways. They treat the new recruits like shit. They've got no fucking way of controlling these leaks. The average age of people given this sort of information is like 19 or 20. Because we love it when children are put in these positions apparently.
I think it's related to War Thunder's damage model, oddly enough. War Thunder tries to model it's damage on vehicles as accurately to the real thing, where weak spots actually are. Then people who are acquainted with the vehicles argue and say, no, that's not right, I shouldn't have died in that battle because the armor is strong here and I can prove it!
Most of the War Thunder leaks have been things that are publicly visible, but they're still technically under export restrictions so they're not supposed to be shared online or outside the country.
lol. Wrong. Sounds like someone doesn’t know what they’re talking about or failed their annual training. TS, S, and C are classifications. FOUO, NOFORN, ORCON etc are dissemination controls. Restricted is none of these things.
Former IC here. You are incorrect. RESTRICTED and NOFORN are not classifications. There are only three classifications: CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP SECRET. RESTRICTED is a control marking, which can be applied to unclassified information. NOFORN (Not Releasable to Foreign Nationals) is a dissemination marking.
Correct, these documents were marked CUI/REL to US, UK. CUI = 'Controlled unclassified information' - these documents were not classified by legal definition, but were still controlled and this was still a leak.
It also really depends on who leaked them... Take the uk as an example, if it was a gov staff member who typically agrees to the official secrets act, there are more broad reaching areas of that law that cover them, including parts that could "bring harm" to the government. those do not need classified documents. See: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/6/section/1 as an example, they have similar sections for defence, international relations etc.
ErinInStereo
Mcmaclassie
...Wait. Did it happen *again*!?
jonhamsandwich11
Ha! What was it this time?
crapybarra
At this point the fucking site mist be getting info from CIA counter intel
sevenfingerman
Again?
rfleming1080
I'm gonna be honest, these leaks have made me more interested in War Thunder than any ad I've seen for it...
depressedscientist
So… this many leaks then it should be shut down, right? For legit national security concerns… right?
SoThatsWhere
MightyIink
"Guys, staaaalp.... you're gonna make the government shut us down..."
TheViolinCon
Zan11
Was it something freely available on the internet for a couple bucks again? It was, wasn't it.
RouxedChef
What is this? The 14th or 15th time?
Shaodyn
I think 17th.
Fauxcused
Fuck anyone who leaks secrets and puts our soldiers at risk.
ssthehunter
The last leak was about the Bradley in December of last year. The documents were not classified, they were marked controlled unclassified information. Still amusing though.
lddiaz
NGL, I am a War Thunder (Aircraft) junkie. Playing for 11 years now.
InHarmsWay
You think spy agencies just sit in the war thunder forum waiting for these leaks to happen.
DukeDarkwood
A clip in one of the comments says this is a tank model currently being supplied to Ukraine; you can count on there being someone waiting for it. After all the prior incidents, I'm pretty sure that Russia and China, at least, have a few people assigned to keep tabs on that place.
TotallyNotTheNSAGuys
Wtf, again?
PobbitBreakers
Isnt, this not, par for the course with these people?
To make video games more realistic?
RedVinez42
Honestly, I feel like it has been too long.
I love seeing classified government documents leaked. Any. Anywhere.
Ryebread91
FireSolvesProblems
Is War Thunder a conspiracy created to encourage military leaks?
lysani
Well, the developers are Russian...
Ambipolar
Yea but.. people are wrong about tanks!
Shaodyn
To quote XKCD: "Someone is WRONG on the Internet."
unluckyandbored
oh for fuck's sake, AGAIN?!
TruffleMcShuffle
Thing is, wasn't it confirmed many times that the info that get leaked isn't exactly confidential or highly secret or at least, nothing any major countries doesn't know about already anyway. It's still classified document but it's not high tier secret.
Randomman96
There have been times where it's been genuinely classified material, but most of the time it's typically restricted documents.
Morgrath
Usually they're 'export controlled' documents: https://www.dodcui.mil/Export-Control/Export-Controlled/
EinsteinHair
Apparently Are you a War Thunder player is now one of the questions that are asked of you while you are doing your polygraph exam to get your clearance
GRZMNKY
No, it is not. But they do ask you if you use WASD or the arrow keys.
VjekoV88
Similar how it's forbidden to say: "it worked in ksp" at NASA
lysani
Pretty sure that was actually a myth that started as a joke after one of the previous leaks.
CatShadowleaf
Since when do they give you a polygraph?
grumblingjester
Lolololol. No it’s not. Examiners aren’t going to burn time asking that specific of a question during the run. Standard counterintelligence questions asked at almost every PG will catch this. Then you’ll be grilled heavily during post exam questioning, specifically about why you’re reacting to certain CI questions. Eventually it’s divulged or you’re removed from further processing.
Tumescentpie
Polygraphs are bullshit. It is hilarious that the military relies on them.
Grimmy32
They ask weird questions when going for certain military roles - even asking what porn sites you visit...
sdrawkcabmIpleH
Does instagram count as porn site? Or youTube? Just asking...
lowerider777
God damn you'd think it'd get old, but this is so funny every time it happens
Targe0
More, you think they'd just close the forums down at this point. This is just so much extra stress for them as a game studio to deal with.
BreathBeStank
The stuff getting leaked is not really highly saute information. And is likely widely known already by foreign governments... things like a use manual for a tank. The reason they don't shutdown the entire forum is because it's not really a problem, they probably get more from publicity. Just shutdown the thread when things like this happen
Targe0
Actually, there's been some very spicy stuff put out there. Like the exact design aspects of a highly classified weapons system that hadn't been leaked yet. Some deign documents have also been leaked by people who had access to databases they shouldn't have. It's been a mix of controlled handling and actually classified documents.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
This is one of those rare jokes that get funnier with repetition
jojosburritoadvantages
Why does this happen as often as it does?
nemocares
A lot of them are just people reposting stuff that leaked long ago. But pretending it's a fresh leak makes for better headlines, just as claiming stuff's classified when it's really just not for public release.
HeresYourSauce
People like to prove they're right. Also a lot of the stuff is only somewhat restricted. Like it's *technically* allowed, but only just, and war thunder remove it to be on the safe side. As far as I know no legal punishment has happened to anyone posting this stuff.
Tumescentpie
Also our military is fucking awful in so many ways. They treat the new recruits like shit. They've got no fucking way of controlling these leaks. The average age of people given this sort of information is like 19 or 20. Because we love it when children are put in these positions apparently.
lddiaz
I think it's related to War Thunder's damage model, oddly enough. War Thunder tries to model it's damage on vehicles as accurately to the real thing, where weak spots actually are. Then people who are acquainted with the vehicles argue and say, no, that's not right, I shouldn't have died in that battle because the armor is strong here and I can prove it!
freakdiablo
So they're blaming a game for...being a game?
lysani
Most of the War Thunder leaks have been things that are publicly visible, but they're still technically under export restrictions so they're not supposed to be shared online or outside the country.
Alurkerforcedtologin
Why four digits though? You'll never need more than 2 digits.
Mithi
"Here's to hope"
PobbitBreakers
they had to factor in the millenium bug
DjQwakQwak
Hopefully optimistic
mjrosenb
Maybe it is in binary, and the highest it can get is 15?
chrisjohnson76
I assume the second digit is for decimals
Njord
They tried to count minutes
ThankYouForYourTime
Is this the question that forced you to log in because it’s a good one
WhatThatDogDoin
At this rate, 1 will suffice
Totallyscrewedinaustin
It's up to, like, 17 though?
Targe0
I think it's actually into the 20s.
Grimmy32
M2A2 Bradley - not classified, but it is restricted (short youtube short on it)
LychFinderGeneral
Most of the "leaks" are not of classified things but people keep saying they are
MrGrundy
They're all technically restricted not classified. But using the word classified is more attention-grabbing, probably
Frederf
The "we trained 50,000 20 year olds on it, everyone knows, but it's technically ITAR so..."
Khornight
“…and countless airplanes…” I mean there have been 14 leaks… surely he can count that high?
ProjectDA
is this a new one or the same bradley leaks? i know imgur has a habit of reposting this image months after it has happened
Grimmy32
From a Google search, this is the same one from December. But it's re-doing the rounds on social media.
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grumblingjester
lol. Wrong. Sounds like someone doesn’t know what they’re talking about or failed their annual training. TS, S, and C are classifications. FOUO, NOFORN, ORCON etc are dissemination controls. Restricted is none of these things.
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gablestout
Former IC here. You are incorrect.
RESTRICTED and NOFORN are not classifications. There are only three classifications: CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP SECRET.
RESTRICTED is a control marking, which can be applied to unclassified information.
NOFORN (Not Releasable to Foreign Nationals) is a dissemination marking.
TexanSailor
My man posted his incorrectness with such confidence with enough words he’d heard before to sound legit.
EODBOMB9LINE
I fucked up! But I'm not deleting this! I'm gonna own it!
EODBOMB9LINE
But then I did delete it, because the notifications suck
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EODBOMB9LINE
So restricted is used as a subset, in the nuke world.
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EODBOMB9LINE
Nice
EODBOMB9LINE
Already admitted I made a mistake, and its been about 6 years since my last refresher. I derfer to your more informed clarification.
SixFingersOnMyRightHand
What does IC mean
MoistenedPenguin
Intelligence Community
LiftBig2GetBig
No, it isn’t. Restricted is not a US classification (like confidential, secret, or top secret) nor is it a US caveat (like noforn).
sunyudai
Correct, these documents were marked CUI/REL to US, UK. CUI = 'Controlled unclassified information' - these documents were not classified by legal definition, but were still controlled and this was still a leak.
LiftBig2GetBig
Not arguing the leak my dude, only clearing up misinformation.
sunyudai
Yep, was agreeing and reinforcing your point with a pertinent detail.
Potatomanbynight
But the meme says days since classified documents were leaked. And the were marked as controlled, yet unclassified.
doomedlord656
It also really depends on who leaked them... Take the uk as an example, if it was a gov staff member who typically agrees to the official secrets act, there are more broad reaching areas of that law that cover them, including parts that could "bring harm" to the government. those do not need classified documents. See: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/6/section/1 as an example, they have similar sections for defence, international relations etc.
EODBOMB9LINE
So by that point of order, the sign should not be at zero....world's problems have been solved! Gooooo us!