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Think of the poor millionaires
Well heck, guess since I made FP I should provide context, huh https://gizmodo.com/twitch-reportedly-considering-cutting-streamer-pay-to-b-1848848610
rooster009
I'm an affiliate and I'd rather have more than one person watch me than anything. I have a job for money anything I get extra is just that.
manhands
They did that because they were worth it. Brought people to the site who then found other partners and subscribed. Still true, so...
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serenityfast
"I gotta be honest, I don't see sports commentators as a legitimate job."
Sm9yCg
Jeff Bezos is an Asshole
91valkerion
Imagine getting a 30% pay cut all of a sudden
91valkerion
What a nice way to pay the guys raking in hundreds of thousands of viewers
Lugh314159
Twitch: Listen guys... I feel you, really I do. But the thing is... we only made $2.3B last year, and we promised out shareholders $2.9B...
Lugh314159
...you can see how we didn't have a choice, right?
Unknowndarkness47
I'm small time and I still have to split it 50/50. And I'm forced to run adds for like 3 cents a month. Youtube seems to be the future/shrug
TheGothMom
A lot of the top streamers actually negotiated contracts with Twitch prior. This change really only impacts medium and smaller creators.
persondude27
Ah, the way it should be: bleed dry the middle and poors, but leave the wealthiest and most successful with more than they could ever use.
Targe0
It's not even that they negotiated them, they are just older as that used to be the normal cut till Twitch dropped it.
salamanderson
Corporate greed is out of control
Targe0
It's the perk of being an older streamer they were still on old contract agreements.Twitch is just going through & bringing them to standard
ItsNotMurderIfItsRobots
You forgot the other half of this where they're going to increase the # of ads shown to viewers.
djangojazz
How do you get into being a 'streamer' anyways? Some of the stuff I watch for hints on games just sucks but it's all Youtube.
snafu999
Get a Twitch account, download OBS, put your stream key into OBS and start streaming. Get 50 followers and you can start getting subs
Targe0
It's simple you just start doing it, if you have something that can stream you can do it right now. {PC or Phone} that's it.
GussDeBlod
They already lowered what I got, and I'm clearly not a top streamer XD But I don't stream for money so idc.
Neonbaron
Its not always about you not getting paid to me it is that other people are making a profit off me and i get nothing
GussDeBlod
That's true. When you sub to an affiliate, twitch get 50% of your money. If you want to support a streamer, make a direct donation.
WenTheEternallySurprised
The fact that most people don't care is why they get away with it. It's kinda part of the problem.
GussDeBlod
Well I can tell you that most other streamers I talk to really do care. But tbf, if you want to help a streamer, make a direct donation. 1/
GussDeBlod
They get all the money from it. Bits and subs are taxed to death by twitch especially for affiliates.
daerkelf8888
It’s interesting how many of you think all streamers are millionaires
treesAndPlants
Yeah like <1% are actually rolling in it…just like actors. Vast majority are not making meaningful money
khold90
Constant 100+ streamers? Congratulations, you are the literal 1%
6Xero9
How? 100+ subs a month right? so <$500 a month are the literal 1%?
khold90
Top 1% for most viewers. Not subs, viewers. 99% get below that.
Redshadow09
You can thank Jeff Bezos for that because unions are going to eat away his own profits.
GiantShortstacks
They're not. He's still going to be impossibly rich. He might use it as an excuse but nothing will change his material conditions.
Redshadow09
Doesn't matter he is pissed he is going to take it out on someone who else but the streamers
GiantShortstacks
He will do whatever he wants whenever he wants. If his best excuse was "eh, fuck it that's why" well then that's what he'd go with.
Targe0
He'll still be just as rich, Amazon itself won't be. But Jeff will take his standard cut no matter what.
backrideup9
Amazon will never be "less rich" than they currently are. I'm more concerned about that island they stash all the $ on. It might sink.
Targe0
That's why you diversify your off shore tax havens. Just encase they suddenly change their tax laws.
XaoJet
Come on guys, Twitch only made like 2.3 billion revenue in 2020... You can't expect them to share with the cash cows.
Targe0
That's the revenue not the profit, there's very little profit for streaming platforms because the overheads are so high. It's why ->
treesAndPlants
Targe0 gets it. I worked at twitch and the hosting costs were insane. Also product development, marketing, etc. very little actual money
Targe0
There's a reason why online video basically wasn't a thing till Google bought Youtube. They were able to throw money at the problem. ->
Targe0
And with that the tech developed and it became easier to set up. But still only major corporations can eat the running costs.
Targe0
most of them aren't profitable till they sell the user bases meta data. From ads and subs along most wouldn't make a profit. Now I am ->
Targe0
Not saying Twitch could not do a much fairer job with their payment splits, just adding the context that their profit isn't their revenue.
martineb72
That is really stupid of them. The top streamers are only Twitch exclusive because they have a contract with them for 70%.
treesAndPlants
I don’t think it’s stupid. The overall revenue pie has gotten so much bigger that there is more to share now. 1/
treesAndPlants
Would you rather have 70% of $10 or 50% of $20
boatere14
You don't think it has anything to do with the multi-million dollar signing bonus? Or a nice cut of the ad revenue? for sure not just the 70
Targe0
That 70% soon to be 50% was the flat cut. So any money made from Twitch from ads or subs or bits was split by it.
serenityfast
Twitch's ad cut to partners is hot garbage compared to basically every other platform.
Targe0
Not really, Twitch is the only place that's really viable for streaming. Youtube is the next best and even it falls short. If you want ->
Targe0
to do long form streaming Twitch is basically the only place that's worth a dam viewer wise.
treesAndPlants
Yup. They’ve essentially beat out Msft, fb and YouTube gaming are nonexistent. Once streamers have no options, you can command costs.
Targe0
Yep, best any of them can do is Youtube and that has its own issues as YouTube has plenty of problems of its own. Basically a 2 horse race.
dudehiemer
Maybe the top streamers should look at other platforms?
DairyCat
I mean Twitch is basically encouraging it because they're also dialing down on the exclusivity clauses.
parkerh17
Could lead to it if twitch isn't careful. For a while they felt untouchable bc even as the biggest streamers were getting millions to move>
parkerh17
To mixer or Facebook, the viewers weren't following. So twitch got the vibe streamers need them more than vice versa. But it backfired>
parkerh17
When they recently tried to get the biggest streamer to agree to more hrs a month than he was comfortable with and he successfully >
parkerh17
Moved to YT without a viewership drop. So they are gonna have to be more reasonable with negotiations.
MikeStinse
Who was that?
astrangehop
Just go to only fans. "Battle toads speedrun one tit out" or whatever
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poscduke
It alright, battleroads is hard bit I'm sure with practice you can beat it
Dildorthemagnificunt
That, that might work.
MantisTobagganMD
Noone wants to see my tit. It's hairy and masculine.
TheFleshItBurns
Really? Mine too! There are dozens of us! DOZENS!
iwaspromisedsnacks
SFW onlyfans are allowed!
dwilson0725
Allowed, but we're not encouraging it.
scroobiusgav
Got fucking damn it.. I'd watch that, wouldn't pay for it, but I'd watch it.
SeeShark
I would watch the fuck out of that
brandsilven
Well, I could try streaming it. But I'm not good at Battletoads. And being a man, my tits are small and hairy.
tagiau
Like Mixer? Facebook is a cancer that needs to be nuked, and youtubes streaming is meh at best.
smashpro1
Mixer was killed 2 years ago.
tagiau
That's the point. There are no other platforms.
nicolaisheen
Trovo
tagiau
Could go to floatplane. yeah just go to floatplane.
boatere14
While thats a fantastic idea, thats currently subscriber only, and a ton of streamers want people to be able to watch and chat for free
GodTurkey
Oh so its actually a terrible idea, cool.
PerryCoxMD
They are removing the exclusivity along with this. So they take a 20% cut but can stream simultaneously on any number of platforms.
FlippedOut
Hmm that sounds very much like a legal problem. Ie they figured out they are breaking the law so are pre-empting suits.
serenityfast
There's nothing illegal about exclusivity clauses. Damn near every TV show and movie has them for instance.
FlippedOut
Not sure what law or if it is about exclusives. But its an odd move. Maybe a monopoly lawsuit or something. No idea just spittballing
Remmon1
In the US. There is nothing illegal about exclusivity clauses like Twitch's in the US.
Lemunas62
Are they illegal elsewhere? Sounds like it's a negotiated contract for a higher cut of the profit in exchange for exclusive right to streams
serenityfast
Show me a law where it's illegal (actually link to it). Because it's EXTREMELY common. Do not confuse exclusivity with non-compete.
woozle
top streamers be like:
Durtschi
Top streamers make between 3 and 9.5 mil per year. They make 28.5% less now. 855k for the people make 3 mil. Anyone would be pissed
AtomicTincan
What? I must not be anyone.
DatPhotoGirl101
Yeah but dont they also stream like at least 6-10 hours
martineb72
Except most of them have contracts with Twitch for exclusivity and 70%. They can and will go to the highest bidder.
serenityfast
It should also be noted that those "top streamers" are VERY few in number. Like less than a hundred, maybe even fewer.
Durtschi
You're right, I looked at the top 10 for my numbers.
silverfoxxflame
It should also be noted that not all of their income is purely in subs, and that not purely the crazy top get the 70/30 split.
serenityfast
I'm including that income in my count.
NKato
The downvoters are forgetting that millionaires are still upper middle class. The problem is that this policy change hurts everyone.
Oprean
I ain't getting shit for streaming
sDsnAlien
99% ppl dont
troutslap
And that many of them employ other people to edit content for them. It's not just one person affected.
misstwosense
I cannot fucking believe you have even gotten this many people to upvote this tripe. Upper middle class? Gtfo with this horseshit.
thatguywhohasnoname
Dude 3 mil here isn't even a house. Maybe a nice apartment
ShamelessSeamus
Except they're earning it yearly. How often do you make your houses mortgage in a year?
user3827492
Definitely not upper middle class, but twitch streamers aren't "rich" like billionaires who prey off the blood of children in mines.
user3827492
Twitch is strangely one of the most ethical places to get a job if you ignore the child blood of Amazon which owns it.
Kehy
Where I live, that's legitimately within that tier. Cost if living is so high that wages are higher. Min wage starts at $15, still low