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Oct 17, 2024 5:01 AM
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DaierMune
Please don't use untested chemicals for forcibly starve yourself.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
That person sounds like a bitch.
joemac65
Saw an episode of South Park recently "The end of obesity" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLFvTg11kdQ
Musaria
Wegovy is the same medicine woth different dosage. I'm loving it! It's helped reduce alcohol cravings too. I see it like "im driving the car, but the medication is the headlights" helping me keep my goal in focus.
BarderBetterFasterStronger
"weight loss drugs are cheating" mofos better never get caught taking a painkiller, cold medicine, cancer treatment, wearing shoes,
NihilisticOnion
Just saying, I've been on semaglutide (compounded ozempic) for several months and it's the best thing I've ever done for myself. That person's "friend" sucks tho.
Senguie
Apparently it only helps for like 5% extra of your weight loss and in rare cases 10% extra. the side effects are not worth it. My country does not want to approve it as medicine for weight loss, because of that.
Also quoting dangerous side effects. And adding that it’s medicine developed for diabetes and those patients actually need it.
qtRaven
South Park just did an episode on Ozempic. Hilarious!
TBRichard
So, how long have you been friends with an asshole?
eastend666
Frenemy?
LongTimeCallerFirstTimeLurker
This drug should be used as part of a clinical program imo. Just like mental health meds and talk therapy… creating a path to being clean. Seems like a great way to assist losing 50+ pounds though. More research is needed for this potentially very helpful drug
bittenicht39
Ozempic has multiple side effects. And you need to take it continuously or the effect will vanish once you end the treatment. A true friend would be happy if you don‘t put such a drug into your body. Apart from the fact that you would diminish the supply for people who really need the treatment (diabetics).
circlebreaker
Heads up to anyone not aware, gastroparesis (think gastric stasis in human form vs. animals) is a possible and statistically significant side effect.
Rink257
Ozempic is an injectable medication for type 2 diabetes. Makes the pancreas produce less insulin. So if your insulin/blood sugar balance isn't off and in need of medicational correction, I'd look at other weightloss aids.
Also, yeah. They person is not your friend. We all have a shape. They do not get to define yours.
marsilies
It's actually the opposite. Semaglutide is a glucagon-like peptide-1 receptor agonist. GLP-1 agonists work by activating the GLP-1 receptor. They slow gastric emptying, inhibit the release of glucagon, and STIMULATE insulin production, therefore reducing hyperglycemia in people with type 2 diabetes. Maybe you got glucagon and insulin mixed up.
Columbus43219
vertumnus1
Is... is this an ad?
shardix
Yep.
twelvoclocklevel
The quintessential passive/aggressive b*tch move
civbat
A lot of stupid in these comments.
TheForbiddenSemicolon
The whole post, title, and comments are awful. Reminds me why I should checkout FP when I’m bored.
DickMcStiffens
Several people at my job take Ozempic for weight loss and tbh they look sick. They also look like bobbleheads.
revilo314
Ozempic might be for more than just obesity:
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.diabet.2">01470">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.diabet.2023.101470
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.bbr.2017.03.032
Ellisd83
$900 a month, I lost 70 pounds in 2024 by just having sleep for dinner
tarataqa
Sleep for dinner sounds yummy!
Redyls
yeah... that person is not your friend
HandoB4Javert
atomicraider
Lose that so called "friend".
Freeasabird2015
First words to enter my head on reading this post, fuck her and the unicorn she rode in on.
Redyls
lol im now imagining a person riding in, impaled on the unicorns head in various configurations
Freeasabird2015
SoGrosslyIncandescent
I have diabetes, I was on Ozempic for about 6 months. My sugars were doing great, I was losing weight, I felt full it was amazing, my health was improving so much. Then it caught on as a diet aid and became so hard to get my doctor had to switch me to a different medication that has not been as effective.
amb1021
I lost 55 pounds the old fashioned way and have kept it off three years so far, and I say hell yes to Ozempic and similar. They're also showing promise for treating alcohol and possibly drug addiction, so double hell yes.
NihilisticOnion
I take compounded ozempic (from a med spa) and truly it is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I have struggled with binge drinking for years, and obviously that hasn't helped my overall health including my weight. It's like it rewired my brain. Highly recommend this medication to anyone considering it.
amb1021
That's awesome. And I think the general side effects are relatively minor, like some GI stuff, etc., that happens with nearly every drug? I'm really happy for you, seriously.
NihilisticOnion
Thank you! I appreciate it. Yes imo the potential side effects are worth the risk, especially when it comes to using it as a treatment for alcoholism for me personally.
IBroughtASpareDrainpipe
How do you get Ozempic? Be rich. Really really rich. Then you can have it.
BarderBetterFasterStronger
There are affordable weight loss drugs, but all of them, including the glp1 drugs like ozempic have significant possible side effects. Diet and exercise will never ever be topped as the most healthy way to be healthy. But when those methods don't work -and I stress this next part- *for whatever reason,* taking drugs with potentially bad side effects can and often will be the best option as opposed to staying at an unhealthy weight.
Syko73
Ozempic aint worth it. Even if you dont get the worst of the side effects like stomach paralysis, you could still end up puking up your guts till theres nothing left but bile...Then you'll puke that up too!
Hemelsblauw
Ozempic apparently gives you bad skin, and you need to rake it for the rest of your life. Also there are shortages so diabetics who depend on it with their lives can't get it because everyone wants it.
And better stuff is being developed for losing weight.
BarderBetterFasterStronger
While I haven't used ozempic, the idea that it needs to be taken forever is silly. You could absolutely use ozempic to achieve the goals you want or to start the changes you hope to make permanent. Taking ozempic once does not somehow lock you into it forever or you'll gain your weight back. Making no changes to your lifestyle will.
Salticido
Being developed means not currently available, though, so that's not helpful to people who need help right now. We need adequate supply for everyone and shouldn't have to rely on prioritizing certain groups.
Monocular0
People who are not morbidly obese don’t urgently need to lose weight, though. Many people who are taking Ozempiq and similar drugs are just a little overweight and merely want to be skinnier.
Salticido
You don't need to be morbidly anything to want to seek treatment or improve your health. You don't need it to be urgent to deserve healthcare. Like I said, we should just have adequate supply rather than just shrug and accept a broken system.
Littledirtybirdyfeet
There's a fuck ton worse about it. The only way someone should take it is if their obesity will get them quicker than the thyroid cancer and thyroid tumors that Ozempic can cause. It can also cause intestinal blockage (not sure how deadly that can be), kidney failure, gallbladder disease, and suicidal behavior.
atomicraider
Drivel. Not for you to tell anyone when or why they should take it. Stop spreading rumors.
Littledirtybirdyfeet
It's not a rumor lol it has an FDA blackbox warning for exactly those reasons.
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/ozempencom-684435-06242024#:~:text=FDA%E2%80%90approved%20semaglutide%20products%20bear,of%20thyroid%20C%E2%80%90cell%20tumors.
101Medic
Ozempic has all the hallmarks of a wonder drug that will end up being terrible for you. Remember when Ephedra was a diet pill?
There are absolutely clear cut use cases for the drug, but the "I want to be skinnier without doing the work" crowd shouldn't be in that group
Littledirtybirdyfeet
Downvoter doesn't like the price for vanity? Ya'll shouldn't be taking it for that reason anyway, diabetics need it.
ScrooblyDoobles
Obesity is a disease that causes a LOT of other health issues. I’d argue controlling obesity is up there with controlling diabetes, particularly considering excess weight is the main cause of type 2 diabetes….
Syko73
What gets lost in headlines is that drugs like Ozempic were designed to control you A1C. The weight loss is a side effect. But when the "weight-loss industry" saw that, they just ran with it.
ScrooblyDoobles
A beneficial side effect turning into a prescribed use isn’t uncommon.
Boners were a side effect of viagra, it was developed to control blood pressure.
It doesn’t diminish its clinical use and significance as a weight loss drug.
asphinctersezwhat
But obesity can be controlled with physical lifestyle choices instead of throwing under-tested meds at it because it's easy.
ScrooblyDoobles
So can type 2 diabetes, which is what ozempic is indicated for.
Many millions of people have failed at trying to diet and exercise, the long term success rate is staggeringly low. That’s why ozempic has been so revolutionary.
dasklaus
You know, when the vast majority of people fail to make (and keep up) the "lifestyle choices" they need even in the face of life-threatening health consequences, with therapy and all psychological tricks in the book - maybe consider that it's harder than you think?
Qualtagh
And diabetes can be controlled with insulin. No one deserves the med more or less. We're a capitalist country and this isn't being made from endangered birds or some shit-- more demand will create more supply.
Littledirtybirdyfeet
See in my comment where I said it should be taken if the obesity will get you sooner than the side effects of the drug?
ButteryBiscuitBass
Friends you tell you the truth should not be ignored.
BarderBetterFasterStronger
It seems like that person either draws value from their perceived fitness superiority ("they cheated in order to look that way") or has their own issues with their body image ("other people changing their unhealthy lifestyles makes me uncomfortable with my own").
Monocular0
People who make unsolicited, passive-aggressive comments about your physical appearance are not friends.
MrsHowVeryDareYou
Ehhh, only if you ask for the truth about something. This sounds like a gratuitous passive aggressive insult. Huge difference.
ButteryBiscuitBass
I see what you mean, I just know where I stand with people (good and bad) if I trust theie opinions/honesty.
MrsHowVeryDareYou
That’s fair. Do you happen to have a touch of the ‘tism? I feel like folks on the spectrum would much rather hear something straightforward. (Although, in the op, that’s super indirect)
ButteryBiscuitBass
No autism at all. I just have always admired people who can say what they are thinking.
MrsHowVeryDareYou
I’m not sure why that’s being downvoted. I am super jealous of folks who just say what they think without regard to others - though I wouldn’t necessarily use the word “admire”. I want someone to tell me I have spinach in my teeth, but I don’t want to hear I would benefit from a nose job without asking.
Salticido
I'm autistic and I don't want unsolicited comments on my appearance either. OP's "friend" is a cunt.
Goldmarble
I had never heard of Ozempic before this....I first thought it was a font or something? Apparently not.
wouldClimbForCash
Ozempic lets you squeeze into a font like Arial light, instead of comic sans bold.
AZRAELSBLADE
It’s an injectable medication for type 2 diabetes mellitus that works by providing an exogenous incretin signal that is not degraded by endogenous DPP4 and thus stimulating GLP1 receptors longer than endogenous incretin leading to slowed gastric motility, increased glucose-dependent insulin secretion from pancreatic beta islet cells, and overall improved glucose and fatty acid metabolism.
As side effects you can lose weight (about 10-15%). You can also develop severe gastric adverse effects 1/
Toqom
They also say that just normal oatmeal every day has similar results. Maybe if our food wasn't toxic garbage, people wouldn't get so overweight from it
mikeatike
If you eat more calories than you burn, it doesn't matter.
Tho eating fast food AND a sedentary lifestyle certainly is bad.
DorkJedi
well, those are certainly words.
AZRAELSBLADE
like nausea, vomiting, constipation, hypoglycemia, and it can increase your risk of developing medullary thyroid cancer and worsening pre-existing MEN syndromes.
THUB
Thanks chatgpt
AZRAELSBLADE
MD not ChatGPT.
JustDontCare
Oof. A lot of people have bad pre-existing MEN syndrome already. No good. Very icky.
PerrinAybara564
As a pre-existing man, I'd rather not make it worse /s
-googles MEN syndrome-
Ahh, I concur, a heaping dose of no good very icky.
relsky
I will defend ozempic until I die. It has literally changed the way I think about food. Getting out of obesity is so much more difficult than just "stop being a fat ass."
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Shame the price of it is jacked up so hard by the evil owners.
BrandonPonyoutube
71 lbs lost so far this year. Wegovy baby.
SedatedSl0th
Recently started Monjourno for diabetes control. Same thing here. It’s helped me understand how much food is a human sized portion. I am no longer considered a family of four when I splurge on pizza rolls. I still have a long way to go, but the journey has begun.
nitemayr
I'm singing its praises for bringing my blood sugars down into normal levels, Sugar Rabies is the worst.
technofiend
Yup
OgreEye
How expensive is it? I'm not particularly fat (like 6'1" 200 and change pounds) but I am literally hungry constantly and it kinda drives me insane.
tzahtman
I was prescribed it for diabetes and it didn't change how I look at food at all but it did make me feel sick all the time. I got almost all the possible side effects, which is neat in its own way.
TheAccursedHamster
currently planning to ask my doctor about getting a prescription then next time im there. Don't feel like forcing my brother to bury me at fourty.
nekosupernova
I don't think I'm fat enough for it, or I'd ask my doctor. I just want to not get mistaken for a pregnant person and lower my blood pressure so I can get on the meds I *want* to be on.
catmonger
Are you in the Us or canada? Ask for Wegovy which is the same drug but intended for weight loss. There is no "you have to be x weight to use it", wanting control of your weight and blood pressure is a legit reason to try
Syko73
Not for me...I got worst of the side effects. And I was on it because of diabetes, not weightloss
ThrowAwayAcct0000
It really helped a friend of mine, who had literal gout.
NeonKitsune
Yeah. Now, if they'd stop over prescribing it as a weight loss drug, there might be some available for the people who are prescribed it for its actual purpose, which is treatment of Type 2 diabetes. There are diabetics who literally CAN'T get it because pharmacies can't keep enough on hand in some places to fill prescriptions.
AtmaDarkwolf
yup. 2 docs prescribed it to me, cannot get coverage (Canada here too) - around 100 bucks per WEEK without coverage. Reason? None available for 'non paying' people (are so many out there happy to pay out of pocket for it, and this drove supply into the dirt) IMO should be diabetics FIRST, THEN overweight ppl(cuz honestly, most of the diabetics who need it are ALSO overweight or near overweight due to diabetic issues)
relsky
Yeah, I am just over the edge of diabetic. I also started on it back in 2021, and supply issues got me, too. Supply is in a much better place now than it was a while ago.
catmonger
Wegovy is the same drug just different name and options for dosage, meant more for weight loss but - Dr's didn't like the pen options of wegovy, and there were supply chain issues at first. And it seems liek pple just ask for ozempic anyways
MimaMaxima
THIS ☝️ My mom was without it for months because of shortage due to it being used for weight loss. I'd like not to be called a fat ass too. I try to eat healthy and be active, but I've been fat since I was 8 years old. It IS a disease. But I want my mom to LIVE more
SoGrosslyIncandescent
yeah, I was on it for diabetes and it was working miracles for me, but when the shortages hit I literally couldn't get it within 100 miles of me. I've since been switched to Jardiance.....which is mostly keeping my sugars in check, but doesn't help with weight at all. I'm a little bummed about it, things were looking so up for a little bit there.
NotThatPrivate
Last I checked, the company that makes it isn't having trouble keeping up with demand for the drug, but *is* having trouble getting enough of the pens they use to inject it.
I'm using it for my diabetes, and I wish I could just get a bottle of it. I've been using needles to inject myself half a dozen times a day for 30 years. I don't need the pen.
LastMileBeforeSleep
I was briefly prescribed Ozempic for weight loss; unfortunately within a week my blood sugar (I'm not diabetic) became DANGEROUSLY low so I had to stop.
StormBurnX
hey genuine question, what is a 'dangerous' low blood sugar level? (my dad was diabetic and I'm hypoglycemic but I'm unmanaged, very curious what numbers should be)
LastMileBeforeSleep
I'm afraid I don't remember exactly what I was at (this was a couple of years ago), but looking it up, anything lower than 70 mg/dL is considered unsafe and anything below 54 mg/dL "is cause for immediate action". I think I was hovering just under 50 when we tested my blood sugar before my dose, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
VodkaReindeer
how long have you been on it?
relsky
Started about 3 months ago, 35 pounds down. Starting weight 370.
wadatahmydamie
So, ~$1,200 spent so far?
relsky
Luckily, I have *extremely* good insurance through my work. It's $0 out of pocket for me.
wadatahmydamie
God damn, I’m thrilled for you
lordnequam
As someone who is 335, I just need to bite the bullet on the cost. If only insurance were willing to cover it; it'd be cheaper for them than dealing with all the rest of my weight-related issues.
BrandonPonyoutube
71 lbs lost so far this year. Wegovy baby.
secondgoaround
That’s awesome! Way to go! I’m at 45 down currently on it. Love it. Did mounjaro for several months, wegovy is better for me.
wiltsjunk
I just started Wegovy, first shot last week. Really hoping it'll help me. No side effects yet.
secondgoaround
What dosage?
wiltsjunk
My first shot last week was 0.25 mg, my Dr said it was the lowest possible to start, then it will ramp up each month, assuming I can handle it. I have no change to my appetite and no negative side effects after 1 week 2nd shot tomorrow).
BrandonPonyoutube
Im all the way up to 2.4 now its a titrated dose so if you can make it to the max does thats where you are supposed to be but side effects can keep you lower
wiltsjunk
Did you have any side effects at all? What does it do, just take your appetite away?
ThisGuyHere
What's been your experience with it so far? Like any gnarly side effects that persist?
BrandonPonyoutube
I get nauseous the day after i take it if I don't put something in my belly for breakfast. That's it so far.
relsky
I'm 35 pounds down in 3 months. The worst side effect for me is that if I *do* overeat, I'll feel nauseated and potentially have diarrhea afterward. But that's only if I overeat. If I eat reasonable portions, I have literally zero side effects so far.
secondgoaround
I had to start off with the 1mg (all that was available at the time in April). Threw up 5 times over first 2 days of first dose, not since. Some nausea first month or so off and on. Now, everything is great! Down 45 and counting!
relsky
Surpising that they started you at 1mg. I started at 0.25. 1mg is my full dose, now.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
is it true that ramping out without regaining weight is super difficult?
unluckyandbored
That's what happens when you come off of any temporary weight-loss plan and go back to your old habits. Weight loss needs to be a permanent lifestyle change. Either change your diet and exercise habits PERMANENTLY, or you put the pounds back on.
MeezieGirl
From my understanding, unless users make significant changes to their diet, they will need these meds for life. Do a google search on weight gain after discontinuing GLP-1 medications. Without significant dietary modifications (limiting sugar, simple carbs, increasing whole plants/legumes), some weight gain is inevitable. These drugs work by decreasing hunger - not decreasing the desire to eat unhealthy foods. Now that would be a miracle drug!
tschallacka
What helps for me is 50% to 60% protein bars. They take more effort to digest, burning calories in the process and leave you feeling hecking full.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
That's what I had heard. Pre-diabetics like me sometimes resort to medication after improving their diet precisely as you describe. I already increased dinner veggies to half the plate and reduced starches to a quarter or less.
relsky
That's a doctor question, although the other commenter gave a good response. For me, I'm using this medicine to help me repair my relationship with food. Intentionally eating reasonable portions, more veg and fewer carbs, and no snacks. It's making these changes possible because I don't have the same urgent, painful need to *eat something* sneak up on me suddenly, and I can be more intentional about what I'm eating.
TheAccursedHamster
Thats the main reason im as big as I am (well, that and a soda addiction), i've got the constant never ending urge to snack even when I know i shouldn't. Even if i fill up, i'm hungry again very quickly.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
Yes, killing cravings will certainly help. Sometimes they feel like real hunger pangs, pit of the stomach.
MotorBoatMyButtCheeks
I read something about how future generations might look back at obesity similar to how we think of polio, this terrible disease, especially in children, and then (in terms of historical time) almost overnight we found a way to stop it...but also how we as a society are treating this differently, due to both capitalist pharma bullshit and the stigma of obesity in current society.
h41fgod
No, we are going to look back at it like smoking. Not a disease, but a societal issue and corporate atrocity.
darthnerdus6236
Tobacco giant Philip-Morris owns Kraft, Nabisco, and General Mills. They're the same problem.
darthnerdus6236
When future generations look back at obesity, they won't be applauding Ozempic. They will wonder why we put high fructose corn syrup in everything and let tobacco giants like Philip-Morris anywhere near food production.
relsky
Yeah, it really is like that. I'm not sure it qualifies as a disease, but it may... time will tell.
But I do know that my my appetite, my willingness/need to overeat, and the way hunger physically affects me are *completely* different after starting.
I've tried explaining it to people before, and it's difficult. Imagine you haven't eaten ANYTHING all day. You also skipped dinner last night. No snacks, no coffee, nothing but water. It's 8pm and you're STARVING. Stomach growling, shaking... 1/
supercerealsteph
Bestie, obesity IS a disease! FFS, it’s as simple as typing “is obesity a disease” into the search bar of your preferred web search engine. Who starts a comment like that? I’m out here judging you now.
RandyKnapp
Ozempic was originally created as a treatment for alcoholism, or so I read somewhere. It helps your brain reduce cravings and resist compulsive behavior.
Taalii
Boredom or ‘should have a snack’ eating, I have identified that as an issue for me. Insurance is being a tremendous pain about it though they want an alternative with a bunch of stimulants my doctor doesn’t think is a good idea for me. I forgot names, one of the long ones.
relsky
That feeling is the same feeling I used to have just a few hours after skipping a SINGLE meal. That same sense of urgency. Yes, I'm "just" hungry, but I am experiencing it the way I described it for you up above. It was an urgent, critical *need* that my body was screaming for.
And ozempic has stopped that feeling completely. I skip a meal now, and it barely registers a thought.
bophodese
From what I understand ozempic is essentially a fibre injection, did you find the same symptoms after eating a high fibre meal?
relsky
Your understanding is incorrect. Ozempic (semaglutide) helps to regulate a specific hormone (GLP-1) which helps the pancreas to produce insulin, and also helps reduce/control/regulate the feeling of hunger through that same hormone, I believe.
nelliesmeg
This describes it perfectly. I had a gastric sleeve 7yrs ago and lost 40kg. But I still always felt like you describe and I've put it all back on. I never addressed the route problem and now I feel I'm beyond hope. I can't afford ozempic.
Littledirtybirdyfeet
That's from overeating. I only wake up starving if I eat excessively the day before. The stomach shrinking back feels like gnawing hunger.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
It's not. I got it after pregnancy, and I never overate, not even while I was pregnant. My whole life, I was someone who could ignore hunger. Now, after having kids, it's so urgent that it takes all my will not to eat. And I have chronic fatigue so I'm always tired and have no energy, which makes the desire for food even stronger. I'm only eating 1400-1500 calories a day, because I'm unable to be active. But I'm hungry all the goddamn time. It's awful.
relsky
It's from a hell of a lot of things, and you know damn well that it isn't that simple.
kushezz
I've never heard anyone else say this. I never have breakfast, I'll typically have a coffee with milk and then I'm fine until whenever I have lunch, but if I have a very heavy dinner (giant takeout / special event sort of thing) I wake up absolutely starving.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Omg for real?
iklu
I've been skipping meals since a kid. Sometimes it's more of a problem to remember not to skip a meal.