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While the Egyptians were firmly a Bronze Age civilization, 3000 years later, on the other side of the world, The Mayans were still in the Stone Age.
With advanced geometry, they built this wonder of the world by hand.
It’s first picture in 1860.
1892, just before purchased by US consul, who spent the next 30 years exploring and finding many amazing things.
How the snakes looked in 1905.
This is also 1905, the pyramid has been cleared of debris. A lot of casing stones were taken by the Mayan ages ago for other buildings.
I found a conspiracy: a botched restoration. Most of what you see, is not original and Wikipedia, the Mexican tourist info, National Geographic… never mention it. This staircase isn’t original, but it was at least made with stones they found laying around the pyramid.
But then it was torn out and replaced with a completely new one. Local stones cut with saws.
Fully replacing the casing stones in 1922. Which stones are original and which aren’t, is lost.
Using what was there, they extrapolate the design.
These are not 1000 year old Mayan blocks, but 100 year old Mexican ones. Most of the originals were taken by the Mayans to build other things centuries ago.
The southeast side isn’t in disrepair, it was just never reconstructed. So if you go, you can still see 1000 year old stone cut blocks around the back.
The back side in 1995, if you’re like me, this is the side you want to see.
1973, you can see more dirt all over it. That’s been removed but luckily they don’t seem interested in reconstructing anymore.
The back of the temple on top, most pyramids have empty tops because the temples were wooden.
Temple of the feathered serpent. Human sacrifices took place inside.
View from top, check out the carved pillar.
It was fixed up, but is original.
Most Mayan pyramids only have 1 staircase, this one is unique.
How the snake head looks now
The sun casts a shadow that makes a snake on the balustrade. May not be an original feature and you don’t actually have to go at the equinox, it’s visible for weeks before and after.
The nearby sacred cenote, the Yucatán has no rivers or lakes, so this and rain were their freshwater sources.
They did sacrifices here too, lots of human bones at the bottom.
It was thought to be solid, but in 1931, they dig a tunnel into the core and found something amazing.
A whole ass other pyramid. The Mayans didn’t dismantle previous construction, they just built over them.
Seeing these carvings and huge temple while underground is so bizarre.
The inner pyramid also has a temple on top, and inside is this guy.
He’s a chacmool, and his lounging position represents a slain warrior bringing a sacrifice to the gods. Human hearts would go on its belly.
A year after it was dug out a second room was found and the temple was named the temple of the red jaguar for what was found inside.
It’s a seat for a king of priest to observe rituals happening at the chacmool
Jade eyes, flint teeth, and brightly painted. One of the coolest artifacts I’ve seen and I’m sure you guys will love it. Look, a kitty!
More carved pillars but since these were buried, their color has survived.
Pillar on the other side.
Behind the red jaguar, there are two rows of bones embedded in the wall.
Human femurs.
Recent experiments reveal there is yet another pyramid underneath this one, but it’s yet to be observed.
I dive deeper into the history and structure in my video on the subject: https://youtu.be/RSnvAKflAdo
GunTotingLiberal
Please tell me there's a fried poultry restaurant nearby called Chicken Itza
MortAndAloysius
If you clap in front of the steps of the pyramid you get a really neat echo back.
2fligh2high
Very nice post! v
PonderStibbons
I'm lucky enough have been, it's a truly amazing place
freakshow314
https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2016/05/110483/teen-mayan-city-ancient-star-map
There's more
drakkaris12718
Do very cool
steelundecided
Imagine spending years moving blocks and then "hey guys, were gonna have to move these to another spot."
SwiftyGuy
I got to climb a pyramid at Chichen Itza back in 2000. At the time there were trees around the backside. Climbing up was hard, like you had to crawl up the steps, and halfway up you could see the tops of trees. At the very top there was simply a very small temple room, nothing in it. Going down the steps was terrifying! Wore me out! Then we had to hike it back to the bus, like a couple of miles or more away. My legs ached for days after that ordeal! Now I guess it’s all cleared and roped off :(
billyrayvirus
I'm glad I got to climb this before they cut off access. I brought a slinky.
JonWallace1985
Sweet. Now all I can think about is wanted to send a slinky down the stairs.
SoberAndBored
Does everyone else initially read that as "Chicken Itza" all the time or is that just me being a fatass again?
lddiaz
Been there. It's humbling and wonderous
JonWallace1985
Awesome. I haven’t been to this one, but I went to Tulun. Nice little pyramid right in the Gulf. Sadly I was too young to really appreciate it the way I would now.
hadan8088
Wow, that was a journey I didn't see happening tonight. Nice post.
JonWallace1985
Glad you enjoyed.
tinydog
Much that I didn't know! Thanks.
JonWallace1985
Glad you enjoyed, I learned a lot myself during this deep dive.
idrinkcheapbeer
I know t's so commercialized but I still want to see Chichen Itza. I also want to see Giza and the Great Wall. I'm a sucker for world treasures.
JonWallace1985
Still great stuff to see, no matter how commercialized I also can’t help but be fascinated. I’m glad they left one corner as it was, I really want to look at those stones up close.
idrinkcheapbeer
I am lucky enough to live in the DC area and I have access to every treasure the Smithsonian has to offer, all for free. It's a privilege I will never forget or take lightly.
ShadowOnii
Just a tangent to great post.. I can't remember were the post is from and it's slightly reductive. but who said it was a comedian or scientist (probably was Neil Tyson) " We shouldn't be so easy to misattribute human ability and ingenuity. All these conspiracies about who really built the pyramids, how they are laid out, were they are so far from each other in different styles, must it have been aliens? Or maybe it's the easiest way to cleverly pile rocks for them to last a really long time!"
kidfromOKwiththetuckfromMB
There amount of Dresden files comments is too damn low
idownvoteyouall
Well I mean it's not like the red court is there to entice people anymore
drone6040
My Abuela says no one doubts that the Mexicans built those pyramids. Largely because they are known to be very industrious aliens.
dreyfusslugado
Like you, I also like looking at backsides.
dreyfusslugado
But seriously, I'm glad they only "renovated" half of it, so we can see what it might have looked like originally, and compare it to what remains.
JonWallace1985
Same, I’m always more interested in seeing the actual remains. I don’t care if they’re a pile of rubble.
TRUMPMUSTDIE
Brilliant post most Excellent. Cheers OP
landofentrapment
Most humid and hottest place I’ve ever been to…. Except your mom (jk)
MissDeeMeanor
So many drunk Americans were falling off it they finally roped it off.
Pwnius
The ruins are in America, so I would imagine that most of the visitors and people who work there are American.
TaiPan87
I see what you did there. Also, you are not clever and no one thinks you are interesting.
idownvoteyouall
Wut?
JonWallace1985
Yeah, it was in response to the death of an 80 year old in 2006. I’ve read she was a wild type despite her age so she might have been screwing around. Since the entire staircase isn’t original anyway, I don’t see why they don’t just put a railing.
yathatsgood
I imagine they want to pass it off as authentic and a rail would kinda diminish that
TaiPan87
I thought it was hilarious when that white woman climbed up it a year or so ago and all the locals got all angry like they were defiling something sacred that no one had ever climbed on.
Like, literally, your grandpa built that. Calm down.
Like2Fox
I've seen the pyramid, and never knew about the smaller pyramid inside!
JonWallace1985
I wonder if the guides have stopped mentioning it because I’m sure the next question would be “can we go inside?”
bROkeNsHIfT
IndigoThursday
They're his knees
JonWallace1985
Classic Imgur. Yeah, while making my video, scaled down versions of that picture made me double-take a few times.
bROkeNsHIfT
It's quite callipygian from that point of view. Thanks for the whole post BTW.
GreeenTreeWizard
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JonWallace1985
I assumed I’d spend a few minutes in my video respelling some of the myths around their sacrifices. After my research, no need, those stories are not exaggerated.
GreeenTreeWizard
Hammerdiddlestrokemyfiddle
I absolutely hate when lay people call these sorts of civilisations primitive. They were us. They were incredibly advanced. They felt and loved and aspired and worked together to create truly wondrous things with none of the advantages we have to do the same, today. A wonderfully informative and interesting post.
astrangehop
& it's very much "our tech was obvious and brilliant, theirs was incidental." "Oh you don't have readily omesticated draft animals for wheels and easily available minerals for practical metallurgy? Lol duuumb. Your surgery and calendar was 300 years in advance of ours? Lucky guess."
JonWallace1985
Yes, only their technology was primitive. Their science, math, and arts were amazing.
SoberAndBored
Something that I didn't think about until someone pointed it out: stuff like Ancient Aliens is really racist, it basically says "our ancient ancestors were the Romans and the Greeks, they built all these roads, aqueducts, temples, colisseums, city walls and stuff. HOWEVER the ancient ancestors of all these non-white people MUST have had help building THEIR stuff from Atlanteans and/or aliens"
ArchaeoEejit
This. You'll never see ancient aliens talking about medieval cathedrals but they'll talk about things being built at the same time by brown people. Uncivilised was just a fancy term for saying 'we have guns and they don't.'
SpikedDoggos
Ooooh yeah, I should find the videos from there, the clapping/bird echo is rad 😂
JonWallace1985
I do mention it in my video, but don’t show a clip. One of my linked sources is a video of a guide doing that though. I discovered it probably wasn’t intended and more of a happy accident.
JonWallace1985
I found a good one so you don’t have to dig through my sources: https://youtu.be/KTKCk9iLqRc
EdwinEastwood
I remember when I was a teenager visiting the temple, all the tourists were calling it "Chicken Pizza"
pm1001
I visited it's wikipedia page on a day when somebody had changed every occurrence of"chichenitza" to "chicken pizza". Got fixed soon after tho
JonWallace1985
That’s funny. Did you visit before 2006 or after? Before you could climb to the top both inside and out, but then someone fell and died.
Jimmysgirl
I visited as a youngster in 1981. There was a massive iron chain running up the center of the steps, but it was far too hot to touch, so pretty useless. The steps are quite tall and I can easily picture someone toppling, intoxicated or not.
EdwinEastwood
I'm old, so this was 1999
PowerPedant
I never realised that this pyramid had undergone SO MUCH reconstruction. TIL, thanks!
JonWallace1985
Neither did I until I was essentially done with my research and had to go back. It’s hidden pretty well.
ArchaeoEejit
A load of the trilothons at Stonehenge had fallen in antiquity and were re-erected as well but it's not mentioned often. Newgrange's reconstruction is pretty controversial too.
PowerPedant
And let's not forget Arthur Evans' "reconstruction" of Knossos.
ArchaeoEejit
I actually don't know much about that. The aqueduct is real though?
PowerPedant
There's an aqueduct? You mean the one that supplied Heraklion? That's real, but not Minoan.
TruthSlap
Keep digging dag nabbit, this shit's cool as fuck
steelundecided
If there is another temple underneath that would be cool to see.
DOcelot
I climbed that back in '98 before they roped it off. Tough going up, murder going down
yathatsgood
FckleberryFarms
I was there in 1995, I didn't climb (don't like heights). I remember the gift shop had like a full model and they had a bunch of pictures of some specific solar event which from the side makes the staircase look like snake with the sun as at its head. It was really cool.
JonWallace1985
Lucky. I actually also visited Mexico around that time, but didn’t get to this one specifically. Did you get to also climb up the inside?
DOcelot
No, I was too fat and unfit in those days, I couldn't handle that. Went into the cupola (or whatever it's called) in the top