There has never been a time in my life when the general view on the street was that "Things are getting better" But in so many ways they are.

Feb 21, 2025 1:19 AM

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POVERTY

In the last 200 years, the world has gone from 95% of its population living in extreme poverty (defined as living on $1.90/day in today's dollars, adjusted for inflation) to under 10%. There's an inflection point around the early industrial revolution (1850s-60s) where that share starts dropping more quickly, coinciding with a population increase. Since 1990, the drop has been even more drastic, with an average of more than 130,000 people PER DAY escaping extreme poverty. Today, despite a world population 7 times higher than 1820, there are 30% fewer individual people living in extreme poverty.

LITERACY

200 years ago, only 1 in 10 of the world's population aged 15+ was literate. Today, that number has dropped to under 15%, a number that is even more impressive considering that an outsized share of the illiterate are middle-aged or elderly adults brought up before the massive education & living standard gains of the last 25 years.

OurWorld in Data editor Max Roser, author of the report from which I pulled these charts, had this to say:

"If you think science, technology, political freedom are important to solve the world’s problems and you think that it helps to read and write to do this then look at the figures in absolute numbers. Today there are 5.4 billion people older than 15 years, of which 85% are literate – these are 4.6 billion people. In 1800, there were fewer than 100 million people with the same skill."

CHILD MORTALITY

A child born in 1800 had almost a 1 in 2 chance of dying before Age 5. Today, only 4% of children around the world will suffer the same fate. This is the primary reason for the massive explosion in population between 1950 and today, when the world population has more than tripled. Roser explains:

"What we have seen in country after country over the last 200 years is that once women realise that the chances of their children dying has declined substantially, they adapt and choose to have fewer children. Population growth then comes to an end. This transition from high mortality and fertility to low mortality and fertility is called the demographic transition. In those countries that industrialised first, it lasted at least from the mid 19th century to the mid 20th century – it took 95 years for fertility to decline from above 6 children to less than 3 children per woman in the UK. Countries that followed later sometimes achieved this transition much faster: South Korea went from more than 6 children per woman to less than 3 in just 18 years; Iran even achieved it in just 10 years... Population growth is a consequence of fertility and mortality not declining simultaneously. The fast population growth happened when fertility was still as high as it was in the unhealthy environment of the past, but mortality had already declined to the low levels of our time."

What are the causes of this dramatic drop? Modern medicine plays an important role, of course, but there are others. To quote Roser again:

"It would be wrong to believe that modern medicine was the only reason for improved health. Initially, rising prosperity and the changing nature of social life mattered more than medicine. It was improvements in housing and sanitation that improved our chances in the age-old war against infectious disease. Healthier diet – made possible through higher productivity in the agricultural sector and overseas trade – made us more resilient against disease. Surprisingly, improving nutrition and health also made us smarter and taller."

EDUCATION

As you might be aware, the world has already passed what has been termed "Peak Child" - the number of children in the world today is lower than it was yesterday, and higher than it will be tomorrow... and it is projected to keep dropping until substantially all global economies are developed and fertility reaches equilibrium somewhere near the replacement rate.

What does this mean? With the smaller number of children in schools, and an increasing share of the world's population participating in the productive economy, the world will have more resources and time to focus on education, and kids will be able to stay in school longer. By 2100, there will be almost nobody of adult age who hasn't completed secondary education and 7 billion minds that have. Given how important education is for improving economic stability, political freedom, and poverty, this is a VERY promising forecast.

IMPLICATIONS

In short, while we might be inclined to think the world is going to shit, the opposite is actually true. On the whole, life has never been better than it has today. While the world still has very big problems to solve (climate, terrorism, armed conflict, equal rights, etc.), it has nevertheless improved - consistently and unambiguously - in almost every measurable metric for the last 200 years.

What a time to be alive.

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The original post was made June 15, 2017. Eight and a half years ago.

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Now do it again, with only a 20 or 50 year graph instead of 200, see what happens

1 year ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

If it's the dataset that I think it is, the way poverty is reported could stand to be corrected by local purchasing power. Still...

1 year ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Official level of poverty in the USA means homeless on the street. Even 2x poverty level is barely not homeless

1 year ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'm so fucking tired of this passive aggressive, dismissive bullshit. Cool, child mortality is going down. Extreme poverty is going down. Go tell that to Dale who's been living in a tent for two years and just lost three fingers to frostbite. Things are bad, and going "well did u know things r good actually" is thought-terminating tripe. Never fucking mind that we're literally on borrowed time and the only reason things aren't *much worse* is because the real shit hasn't even started yet.

1 year ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Data cuts off in 2015. No longer representative.

1 year ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

We still counting the US in that democracy chart?

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There has never been more inequality ... ever. The rich had a 91% tax rate in 1963 and it has been steadily getting worse for all workers since then. Everyone with a total of over 13 million in wealth (the 1%) should have all taxes, including capitol gains, closer to 70% . There is NO other thing we could do which would improve our collective lives more.

1 year ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 3

and now lets check on how climate change is doing and what people are doing against it... ooh... oh... shit.

1 year ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

The trouble is the last 30 years have seen an absolutely insane technological leap and quality of life did not increase commensurately for most people. At least in the US, over that same time span, we have seen the middle class dwindle to nothing while wealth accumulates at the top. With a worldwide view it's less dire, and things are getting better, but we aren't where we should be and we have a pretty good idea who's to blame for the stagnation.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Don't give me hope

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Im sure others would disagree, but i sure hope post secondary doesnt continue to build. I know it says world, and im probably thinking of us. But im tired of the expectation to have a degree for something you can learn on the job or thru trade... the person before me had a data science degree and I dont. I was also a successful degreeless bookkeeper for 10 years. Like these things can be done without a 2/4 year college and they should still pay well too.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

School was never for me, testing and being lectured never worked for me. One teacher told us to figure it out in HS b/c she was tired of the class being unruly and that's when I did well.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

What changed was that we stopped tracking inflation effectively.

1 year ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 6

Do what China did and lower the poverty line. Problem solved!

1 year ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

A good read of why we think that way: "Factfulness: Ten Reasons We Are Wrong About the World": https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34890015-factfulness

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

now make a chart about wealth distribution for this too

1 year ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Did you know the world is getting better? Did you know this makes the worst people in the world really, really angry, and they're doing everything in their power to stop it?

1 year ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 9

It's laughable to hear this sentiment when climate change is entering a death spiral, late stage capitalism is inspiring ruthless levels of selfishness, and - given 50 years - we could be living in an even worse dystopia than we have now or trying to survive constant famine as our farmlands essentially turn into desert.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

These trends HAVE continued. Take a look at www.gapminder.org and take the quiz. It demonstrates, and backs up with facts, that people have systematic misconceptions about the world. Modern pessimism about things like poverty is based on emotions and misunderstandings, not facts. The world IS getting better if you view more than the US.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Good news! Now most people will be able to read about climate collapse when they have to have a knife fight with their neighbors over half a case of Dasani.

1 year ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

what would these charts look like if we took America out of the picture? especially in the forecast of time to come.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

1) The world has absolutely gone to shit since June 15, 2017.
2) Yes, life is better today than in 1800. But in *living memory* life is NOT better today than it was in, say, 1995.
3) Every year of my 45 years of life things have gotten worse, with one exception - in 2021 when they finally rolled out the Covid vaccines. 2021 was technically better than 2020.

1 year ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

I couldn't care less about the state of humanity, as long as it's not sustainable. We are quickly running out of resources, not only energy, but also clean water, arable land, forest, wildlife, fucking SAND and that's not even talking about the looming problem of global warming.

1 year ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

“I love the poorly educated” is -hopefully- on the down and out

1 year ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

So - you're saying we should hate poorly educated? Somehow that seems... inappropriate.

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Nah. many in power tend to love the poorly educated as they're easier to manipulate

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah life is great surrounded by food and gadgets I can live my hollow life devoid of any meaningful relationships because I have to grind to eat dinner. I am grateful I am not starving and at the same time it's rage inducing. I've never felt poorer while having more money than ever in my life...

1 year ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

So true

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hannah Ritchie from Our World in Data has written a very recent and great book about these developments. It is a very hopeful book called First Generation and I urge literally everyone to read it.

1 year ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Thanks for the recommendation, but do you mean Not the End of the World?

1 year ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yes, you're right. Sorry, I only read the German version and relied on Amazon to provide me the correct original title. Amazon was wrong and called it "First Generation". But your title is correct, thanks

1 year ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Cheers for clarifying

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Now do climate change!

1 year ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

The poverty data was based on arbitrary definitions & is bullshit https://youtube.com/watch?v=fo2gwS4VpHc

1 year ago | Likes 41 Dislikes 5

A big problem is people don't understand what EXTREME poverty means. It's living on less than than the PPP of $2/day. We're not talking about losing your home due to poverty, we're talking about people not being able to eat, let alone have basic needs like shelter and healthcare. Extreme poverty HAS decreased. Relative poverty is awful and must be addressed, but it's a completely different issue. Full transparency, I didn't watch the video because I don't want my recommended videos full of that.

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Looking at the great depression and not seeing any kind of indication around the 1920s or 30's on this chart really raises some questions so that checks out.

1 year ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

This is true, but seems overlooked on this thread

1 year ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Unfortunately this community, like most, have a ton of people that mindlessly follow the bandwagon and don't question much. It's mainly a 'feels good' site and people just want to feel accepted and aren't putting much effort into fact checking things.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Why don't we just lower the limit of the poverty level and then the numbers wont look that bad?

1 year ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 6

(I laughed)

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

extreme poverty. or not extreme poverty. what a stupid way to divide the worlds population. atleast add in regular poverty, eh?

1 year ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

I don't like the taste of 'New Poverty' I miss 'Classic Poverty'

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

While it's feasible to come up with a useful threshold for "absolute poverty", "regular poverty" is much harder to measure in a meaningful and consistent way across geography and time. For many places and times included in the graph, that data just doesn't exist.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

i'd take incomplete data rather than be lumped in with the fucking billionaires, thank you.

For a frame of reference, im not struggling to feed and clothe myself, but i am also not earning enough for it to be considered a taxable income, as per my governments thresholds.

And i am deeply offended that i sit next to bezos on that fucking graph.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ok, fine. There is a billionaires segment in that chart, but because billionaires are 0.00003% of the population they gets rounded to zero pixels. Are you less offended now?

If you want a more detailed breakdown with a shorter window, you can find it on this very internet.

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Birth rates declining all over the world, the Population Bomb is defused.

1 year ago | Likes 47 Dislikes 7

It's because I got a vasectomy

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hans Rosling calculated ~ 10 Billion when every person has access to a washing machine at home.

The washing machine indicates *a lot* of stability and reliable infrastructure, while giving time for (mostly) women to continue studying in the time it frees up.

1 year ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Russians are stealing washing machines from Ukrainians, if you wanted a snapshot of the countries.

1 year ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Has the population started declining yet?

For my whole life this has been the prediction, but whenever I look into it, it's the rate of increase that has been declining.

So still a significant population increase each year, just the rate is slowing, for now...

1 year ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I don't think that the total population is declining yet, but birthrates are down everywhere. The rise in population is slowing I think. Many have said it could plateau around 9-10 billion. We will see

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yay! We made the world so unlivable we beat overpopulation! Go us!

1 year ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

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1 year ago (deleted Feb 21, 2025 6:21 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

It's partially access to birth control, and partially that nobody has enough money to have planned kids.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

As some one who has two children, consider bringing some one into this world that will likely live paycheck to paycheck desperately dodging poverty for the profit of some asshole.

1 year ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 5

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1 year ago (deleted Feb 22, 2025 1:44 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

TBF that's been most of the human experience since the dawn of civilization.

I think the difference today is that universal education and access to global media has caused people to recognize that we can and should expect more. The only data I can point to is that fertility rate is strongly correlated with education, and literacy in particular.

Feeling insecurity is uncomfortable. Feeling insecurity that you understand to be completely unnecessary is outrageous and very hard to tolerate.

1 year ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

You make an important point I hope at least a few people will catch. By any absolute measure, human wealth and prosperity has dramatically improved. It isn't clear people feel worse now than people used to in the past when they were less wealthy, healthy, educated; but people clearly think the counterfactual is true: that people were better off. To some extent this is normal rosy retrospection but the mass exploitation of it by extremists promoting restorative nostalgia via social media is new.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

The moral arc of the universe is long, but it tends toward justice.

1 year ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

The universe has no moral arc, so it doesn't trend towards anything. Change happens when we make it happen.

1 year ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

I literally...OK paraphrased kinda, didn't quote it accurately, Martin Luther King Jr.

1 year ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Not sure why you were downvoted. It's a powerful idea. Hegel had a famous quote along similar lines: "The owl of Minerva only flies at dusk." He meant that understanding and knowledge come in retrospect.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sure, but just because I agree with his overall message it doesn't mean every single thing he said is unquestionably true.

Especially not this religious BS.

1 year ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Its not religious.

It ties into the OPs post, that the world is getting better over time.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

it is absolutely religious to believes that there is an objective moral and that it will eventually be implemented whether we do something or not. It is deterministic and it is bullshit.
The world is getting better over time because people make it happen. Not because of some universal rule that says it has to happen.
And this is also why USA has the opposite trend. Because in USA people make things worse instead of better.

1 year ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

lol 'original post made in 2017' Gosh I wonder how it would look if extended to today, or say if we extended it out four years from now, or if we only took the USA's data.

1 year ago | Likes 251 Dislikes 19

"Using only US data" - American't actually think like this. Eww.

1 year ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 6

Just using US data would paint a very different picture

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

4 years from now, the planet is run by the CCP.

1 year ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 6

You could go to the source and see that they've updates almost all their graphs. Not with the very latest 2024 data, but at least a couple years on:
https://ourworldindata.org/a-history-of-global-living-conditions

1 year ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I doubt that the anti-vaxxers would understand the correlation between the graphs showing vaccinations and child mortality

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If you rent an apartment that is 1000$ a month you're in the top category.

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The improvements in every metric have continued, aside from a slight regression for ~18 months of global pandemic that set the world back about 5 years. As for US data, the exact matching metrics would take some time to compile but Biden fucking rocked, despite Covid, literally the envy of the world. Absolutely stunning competence and skill.

And if data doesn't match your econowoe perceptions, either you're a GRU troll or you were pØwned by them.

1 year ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Sorry but it's sad how cynical much of the imgur community are. You're actually rooting for the world to fail, aren't you? I'm going blunt with you and everyone who upvoted this post - you really need to take a good look at yourselves and do some evaluating.

1 year ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 3

This isn't facebook, dude. Upvotes don't mean we like the subject, it just means we appreciate the post about it.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Wonder too if it counts the COST of things (Quick glance over says it does not) where as back 200 years ago, one could happily live on ... well ... that barely non existent dollar funds a day by hunting, farming, etc on their own(or in small groups) - now one MUST, for 99% of the population, pay rent, bills, buy food, etc, where as nearly NOTHING (other than rural communities, of which they TOO still must rely on 'outside sourced resources) can be self-sourced. If that is factored in, what then

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

is considered 'extreme poverty' - if bare minimal survival (IE just affording a home and basic food, nothing else, including bills for power, etc) is the 'cut off line' for extreme poverty, what would the values look like then. ( still think at least 50-60% are edging closer and closer to that line in the past 5-6 years than before. If by most 'social welfare programs' judgment, then we have easily reached that and beyond. (most of those agencies consider basic bills, heat, etc, as the line)

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You can check out the source, and the trends still hold with their latest 2021 data.

Also, less then 5% of world's population lives in the US. The entire US can go to absolute shit, technically, and the world could still continue to become a better place.

1 year ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 1

Was just thinking. Graph cuts off at 2015. What are the current figures?

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wonder how much USAID did for that

1 year ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

If you think the US can go to absolute shit without taking the rest of us down with it you got another think coming.

Even tho they are only 5% of the world population they are the biggest economy and have the most destructive potential followed closely by China and Russia respectively.

They won't be going out with a whimper but one helluva bang.

1 year ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 6

There is a lot of space between a horribly fucked country, and a failed state with a crumpled economy.

1 year ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

And we're being dragged across no man's land by a cybertruck

1 year ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Why would you only look at US data? As for extended to today, most of these trends works continue. Maybe the progress on them would've slowed down, but the US isn't the whole world, I know Americans have trouble with that concept.

1 year ago | Likes 60 Dislikes 10

Wait, wait. Hold on a second. The US....is NOT the whole world? Can you elaborate?

1 year ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Yes, there are a number of small issues with this atlas. See how many you can find!

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I agree with the sentiment but the US downfall will affect a lot of the programs and organizations that are improving other countries.

1 year ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

As someone in a part of the world that has been fucked by US military adventurism, then saved by it, then rebuilt by America's former largess, the withdrawal of that largess is as bad as the war. It is fucking brutal and resentment is starting to grow. Trump is undoing decades of outreach, support, and good will in mere weeks. 4 or 8 or more years of this and the US will be lower than North Korea.

1 year ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

It's a fair point. I suspect that in 20 years time, there will be a noticeable dip in many of the upward trendlines labelled "USAID cancelled". I pray it's a little valley and not a chasm.

More recently I have a significant fear that this decade could mark an abrupt end to Pax Americana, and we see these trends take a whole new direction. It's a profoundly chilling thought.

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The encouraging thing is that even a dip would lead us to be globally significantly better off that a few decades ago. And dips are temproary. If you look at the graphs even something as destructice as WW2 didn't make huge dent

1 year ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Why would you not? Specially when you live in America where it's citizens general consensus every metric here is moving in the opposite direction. We are having our government dismantled longer be a democracy, books & minorities are being banned. For everyone is naturally curious how their country is preforming more so when you feel and know it's not. You may have a trouble with that concept, but I know Europeans or rest of the world doesn't.

Can be passive aggressive for no reason too - hehe

1 year ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 9

We know USA sucks and is getting worse. And it is important to remind you that this is not a general trend. It doesn't have to be like this.

1 year ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

There's absolutely no shortage of content about the price of eggs in Butte or rent in SF. And that's fine. Y'all have an omnishambles, things are bad and getting worse, you're frustrated and angry and scared. We understand, and we're sympathetic, or we wouldn't be here.

But it would be nice if people were allowed to post about a global situation (or a non-US local situation) without complaints amounting to "why aren't you talking about the US?"

1 year ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

In actual fact, like not econowoe lies spread for political gain, the US is doing absolutely fucking amazing not just compared to any other time in US history, but also compared to almost every other country: the unparalleled privilege of being the world's reserve currency puts even the poorest US citizen in the global elite. Trump is taking the necessary steps to destroy that position, so precisely, so well targeted, they're clearly strategic. We're moving left.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Because the world stat hides how bad it is in some places, like living in the US is one paycheck away from destitute

1 year ago | Likes 40 Dislikes 11

It doesn't "hide" it. It treats 1 person as 1 person instead of the usual trend of treating Europeans and Americans like they matter 10 times as much as everyone else.

1 year ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Yah! Damn straight! Let's look at the median income over time, you know, not the average where the 1% pull it up, but the median, literal middle class. Then measure income AFTER correcting for inflation so the buying power of each dollar is the same year over year. That'll show the true state of American workers and if people's perceptions don't match reality, that's got to be propaganda, yah? Damn straight.

1 year ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Now please compare this graph the the costs of education, healthcare, and food over the same time period. It doesn't matter if people are taking home 2x the money (even inflation-adjusted) if everything is 5x as expensive.

1 year ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Holy shit.... this is so hard to explain to the defiantly, adamantly, absolutely resolutly ignorant. Please take the time to read the axis. Now look up that, apparently unfamiliar term: CPI-U-RS. Here, let's make it easy: https://www.bls.gov/cpi/research-series/r-cpi-u-rs-home.htm This isn't NOMINAL dollars, it is REAL. The graph you think you're looking at is one like this:

1 year ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

These stats show there's half a billion people in *absolute* poverty. They show there's more than a million children a year dying of preventable illness. They show a billion people who have received no formal education. There's *nothing* in these stats suggesting that everything is great everywhere.

What they also show is that on a global scale, things are much less *universally awful* than they used to be, and that's worth knowing.

1 year ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 0

It could also be fake as since 2016 trumo ended a ton of statistics reporting and those Republican run states have continued that fraud. I don't trust these statistics anymore. Since 2016, our data is tainted by the rich completely

1 year ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

And these arguements feel like "the economy is improving because the stock market is up." Like, that doesn't help me. At all. If I'm dying of thirst and you tell me there's a huge excess of water 600 miles away, it does nothing for me.

1 year ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1