They wouldn't be saltwater though, due to the change in elevation (the Great Lakes in particular are several hundred feet above sea level). It all still flows into the ocean... Unless of course, the proposal is to dredge out the lakes and rivers down to sea level, but even then.
I live near lake Ontario. This would destroy our largest communities and cripple our power infastructure, as well as decmate northern farm and wet land. That said... I'm listening.
Would it blow your mind to hear about the big loop. Mississippi River, Gulf of Mexico, down around Florida, up the Atlantic coast, into the Hudson River, enter the Erie Canal. Into the Great Lakes eventually making your way to Chicago and the Mississippi River. If you do it in a Sailboat there are companies that will take care of putting up and taking down your mast. There’s a low bridge in Chicago and some locks on the canal that a sailboat with a mast won’t fit.
I suggest a canal right down the middle (north to south) in Australia to bring moisture to the desert. Bridges every few miles for transportation or animals to cross. No question.
Truthfully? Given what a shit show state the world is in currently, I'm surprised that there hasn't already been an attempt by some billionaire to do this or at least something similar.
This is honestly only slightly more crazy than proposals to dam the Iberian peninsula and to nuke the desert to create an inland sea in Egypt. Or the one to nuke an area of the earth’s crust, pour in molten nickel, and then send probes to chase it down to the core gathering data on the mantel as it sinks
Thankfully, they cut so much costs on building hood building materials that the wall is already falling apart. And I’m talking the trump parts. A grifter is always going to grift
The trump parts at the very least meet the minimum definition of a wall. The part Bannon built floats well, but doesn't stop crap, doesn't stay in the same spot very long, and for some reason it has a minibar?
That's actually completely possible. We didn't fail because afghans are incapable of becoming a functional army, we failed because we hired corrupt companies to do the training who lied to people to get them to sign up, forged training documents without providing the training, stole all the gov money and walked away.
America needs to stop trying to colonize other countries. We're phenomenal at beating a government, but our military doesn't understand the difference of why the populations of the nations it beat in WW2 stood down vs the populations of Korea, Vietnam, and the middle east drove them out.
for all its existence, before any colonisation, the different groups in that geographical region have been fighting each other. Thinking first UK, then Soviet and then US intervention would manage to change this were naive.
In my opinion, we failed because we didn't do anything to better the people. We didn't build schools or give them options on how to make the country a better place for them. I heard one time a majority of people signed up for isis because of the pay. Also they would take care of your family if you fell. When you live somewhere without options, you will make desperate decisions.
You guys failed because you should never have been there and didn’t understand the Afghani culture. Any schools built would’ve just been propaganda tools to try to control the population. The US gov trying to force their way of life on Afghanistan in response to 9/11 was always a bad decision, giving power to fucked up warlords that the Taliban ousted in the 90s did not help
Personally I think there’s lots to fix in USA itself before they go invading countries to “help them”. USA should never have been in Afghanistan, that would’ve helped people much more than any misguided attempts to help them whilst occupying them. Note - I don’t think the US intention for invading Afghanistan was to ever to help them, it was a retaliation to 9/11
in the same way that it's possible for me to date Scarlett Johansson. The idea that just finding someone better to pay will prevent the collapse of Afghanistan seems arrogant IMO, when the government themselves fled the country. With institutions that weak, there will be NO ONE in the country who has enough integrity to put together a functional standing army.
It isn't as trivial as "find someone better to pay." My point was we didn't even try in the first place. You can't say a task is impossible when it's never been attempted. They didn't just do a bad job, they literally never attempted to do the job in the first place.
I have family members who worked in Afghanistan for years, and their experience had been that their military and government is completely undermined by local tribalism and rampant corruption.
It doesn't help that the US didn't really have an end goal or plan. As hard as it would have been, the tactic to improve the area would probably have been investing in the economy, shifting the culture, and trying to make the insurgent factions as unappealing to join as possible.
Instead the US spent 20 years helping a largely non viable government limp along, shooting at, and being shot at, by a bunch of extremists.
This. My son did four tours in Afghanistan, loves the people there (obviously not Al quaeda or ISIS), but said they have a long way to go to be a unified people. It's mostly tribes and families running things outside the big cities.
Blowback podcast might help with that. It starts with the bad stuff the Soviets were doing and what some bad Afghan socialist leaders were doing so it covers the "socialism bad" itch so by the time it gets to the Americans repeating or making worse mistakes, he is hopefully hooked and just wants to know how the story "ends".
Oh my God! Americans failed in Afghanistan because there are several different groups of people who all want to control the country and can't find control without force!
That isn't what I said at all. They failed because they didn't do the job they said they were doing. It wasn't about conflicting factions, the job was not even attempted in the first place. Maybe that would have been an obstacle if a genuine effort was made, but it wasn't. The contractors signed people up for the "army" then sent them home telling them they had no further obligation and then forged training docs saying they were fully trained and continuing training.
APassingPlasticBag
You son off a bitch im in
pxlphile
You can avoid this with a hefty ransom of ONE MILLION DOLLAR!!
Yusill
This is the literal post that I saw years ago and has made me come up with terrible ideas and state I will take no questions.
aardvarckj
okay, go ahead.
WhaleMilker420
Living near Lake Ontario....if it gets rid of the SERIOUSLY invasive zebra mussels, we would probably consider it.
hollerfloozy
"No." - All of West Virginia. (Answered by a native West Virginian)
goflyblind
cbale2000
They wouldn't be saltwater though, due to the change in elevation (the Great Lakes in particular are several hundred feet above sea level). It all still flows into the ocean... Unless of course, the proposal is to dredge out the lakes and rivers down to sea level, but even then.
Zincee
You had me at "destroy west Virginia." As a Virginia native, I support this message.
flowen8
The northwest passage. But at what cost?
TheWombatStrikesAgain
West Virginia.
Kenshin0019
Every solution law enforcement comes up with for crime
varonicaED
That would...that would....make the song so silly...., no-one in the future would ever know what it was about!
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
I live near lake Ontario. This would destroy our largest communities and cripple our power infastructure, as well as decmate northern farm and wet land. That said... I'm listening.
azgrak
Would it blow your mind to hear about the big loop. Mississippi River, Gulf of Mexico, down around Florida, up the Atlantic coast, into the Hudson River, enter the Erie Canal. Into the Great Lakes eventually making your way to Chicago and the Mississippi River. If you do it in a Sailboat there are companies that will take care of putting up and taking down your mast. There’s a low bridge in Chicago and some locks on the canal that a sailboat with a mast won’t fit.
nate15810
Seems reasonable
10acszomby69
Dude, no need to be…salty
kidonanescalator
Idontneedrealfacts
&#@% it, I second the motion, no ammendments
ShenanigansForHireExperiencedBeerTasterAndCraicFacilitator
GOP would probably champion this if you slipped them fifty bucks.
masteryoplait
Neednoggle
Sideshow Bob is, without question, Kelsey Grammer's best role.
lurkyouallnightlong
I suggest a canal right down the middle (north to south) in Australia to bring moisture to the desert. Bridges every few miles for transportation or animals to cross. No question.
TheobromineAddict
West Virginia = Slag.
riddmkidd
You know those seas are already linked, right?
3Davideo
Well, it gets rid of West Viriginia, so that's a plus.
gregorystrupes
Why stop at West Virginia? I mean Kentucky is like, right there.
UncleMeaty
Count me in.
ChelVanin
What are we waiting for?
rossonerinho
the permit process is lengthy and complicated.
SquirrelWithATophat
Truthfully? Given what a shit show state the world is in currently, I'm surprised that there hasn't already been an attempt by some billionaire to do this or at least something similar.
nclu
This is honestly only slightly more crazy than proposals to dam the Iberian peninsula and to nuke the desert to create an inland sea in Egypt. Or the one to nuke an area of the earth’s crust, pour in molten nickel, and then send probes to chase it down to the core gathering data on the mantel as it sinks
kwyjiboner
But why fill in Lake Ontario?
SauronsLeftNut
somebody didn't read what was on the box.
GravyEducation
It knows what it did
mikeatike
EroticZombiePants
Because otherwise you could just make more lakes in the St Lawrence River, but West Virginia would exist.
SquirrelWithATophat
I mean, as long as you're going to destroy ecosystems and environments on that scale, you may as well get your moneys worth.
cracklinoatbran
Or you could spend all that money to do this:
Ticmea
MFW:
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
The truth they didn't want you to know about Pangaea
watercoolerdictator
FlissFloss86Gaming
rumandbass
Big tectonic would like a word
ArchSchnitz
That's like 50% of what passed for the plot of Primal Rage.
TexanSailor
That game was fun as hell
TwoDogsFucking
We'll make Canada pay for it. And Mexico still owes us for the Wall.
Puvaradivi
Actually, Mexico already signed a 1.5 billion border security deal with Biden, so they might be off the hook for the next big project.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-biden-immigration-climate-and-environment-120f8a3fc440e3b2cccce6100e65b912
Sheldonian
Please send the invoice to jajanovaapasaryquechinguesumadreTrump @ hotmail dot com
BeaverOnFire
chencking
What wall?
Mehtoes
No eh.
cokeandhookers
and instead of the money recieve for the border wall we will use it for other "stuff." "great stuff, untold benefits! it will help us all!"
GravyEducation
"I'm not paying for that fucking wall!"
thundercactus
Normally, you get someone to spend money on a shitty product BEFORE they see. They're never gonna pay for it now lol
imnotinthewitnessprotectionprogram
Thankfully, they cut so much costs on building hood building materials that the wall is already falling apart. And I’m talking the trump parts. A grifter is always going to grift
thundercactus
The trump parts at the very least meet the minimum definition of a wall. The part Bannon built floats well, but doesn't stop crap, doesn't stay in the same spot very long, and for some reason it has a minibar?
3wattbulb
Canada votes to share a border with Mexico by giving the land currently in the way to Mexico. Except for Texas.
HIVp0sit1ve69
scuba7jb
I mean it makes as much sense as trying to form an indigenous, functional army in Afghanistan........ Probably cheaper too.
mrthewhitee
That's actually completely possible. We didn't fail because afghans are incapable of becoming a functional army, we failed because we hired corrupt companies to do the training who lied to people to get them to sign up, forged training documents without providing the training, stole all the gov money and walked away.
DataBeardFace
They're fine with forming armies. Just not ours and not all the same on themselves
SpotlightStealer
America needs to stop trying to colonize other countries. We're phenomenal at beating a government, but our military doesn't understand the difference of why the populations of the nations it beat in WW2 stood down vs the populations of Korea, Vietnam, and the middle east drove them out.
Acc87
for all its existence, before any colonisation, the different groups in that geographical region have been fighting each other. Thinking first UK, then Soviet and then US intervention would manage to change this were naive.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
In my opinion, we failed because we didn't do anything to better the people. We didn't build schools or give them options on how to make the country a better place for them. I heard one time a majority of people signed up for isis because of the pay. Also they would take care of your family if you fell. When you live somewhere without options, you will make desperate decisions.
qwertdeep
You guys failed because you should never have been there and didn’t understand the Afghani culture. Any schools built would’ve just been propaganda tools to try to control the population. The US gov trying to force their way of life on Afghanistan in response to 9/11 was always a bad decision, giving power to fucked up warlords that the Taliban ousted in the 90s did not help
Isthe4thtimethecharm
My point was that we should have actually been trying to help the people. Not just using them as an excuse to make money.
qwertdeep
Personally I think there’s lots to fix in USA itself before they go invading countries to “help them”. USA should never have been in Afghanistan, that would’ve helped people much more than any misguided attempts to help them whilst occupying them. Note - I don’t think the US intention for invading Afghanistan was to ever to help them, it was a retaliation to 9/11
eetsumkaus
in the same way that it's possible for me to date Scarlett Johansson. The idea that just finding someone better to pay will prevent the collapse of Afghanistan seems arrogant IMO, when the government themselves fled the country. With institutions that weak, there will be NO ONE in the country who has enough integrity to put together a functional standing army.
mrthewhitee
It isn't as trivial as "find someone better to pay." My point was we didn't even try in the first place. You can't say a task is impossible when it's never been attempted. They didn't just do a bad job, they literally never attempted to do the job in the first place.
fknbastard
Only the people of a nation can fully reform their nation, otherwise it’s just colonialism.
bondance
I have family members who worked in Afghanistan for years, and their experience had been that their military and government is completely undermined by local tribalism and rampant corruption.
montyman185
It doesn't help that the US didn't really have an end goal or plan. As hard as it would have been, the tactic to improve the area would probably have been investing in the economy, shifting the culture, and trying to make the insurgent factions as unappealing to join as possible.
Instead the US spent 20 years helping a largely non viable government limp along, shooting at, and being shot at, by a bunch of extremists.
arfysdad
This. My son did four tours in Afghanistan, loves the people there (obviously not Al quaeda or ISIS), but said they have a long way to go to be a unified people. It's mostly tribes and families running things outside the big cities.
shepahrdjhon
I agree but explaining it requires a lot more context than 500 characters can ever attempt. Here is Blowback Podcast S4's last episode with has extensive research and interviews to piece together the full story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0q4hS88ud0&list=PLWghIVErqy0BxA4bCO7BXBNiQwVTOcDo1&index=10
OperationRustysBlanket
The bitch of it is getting my dad to listen, care, and adjust his worldview
shepahrdjhon
Blowback podcast might help with that. It starts with the bad stuff the Soviets were doing and what some bad Afghan socialist leaders were doing so it covers the "socialism bad" itch so by the time it gets to the Americans repeating or making worse mistakes, he is hopefully hooked and just wants to know how the story "ends".
Sticklebrickk
Oh my God! Americans failed in Afghanistan because there are several different groups of people who all want to control the country and can't find control without force!
mrthewhitee
That isn't what I said at all. They failed because they didn't do the job they said they were doing. It wasn't about conflicting factions, the job was not even attempted in the first place. Maybe that would have been an obstacle if a genuine effort was made, but it wasn't. The contractors signed people up for the "army" then sent them home telling them they had no further obligation and then forged training docs saying they were fully trained and continuing training.