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hfctom
I'm voting as hard as I can.
lmnotgonnatellyouwhatmyusernameis
can the whole world watch (or read) ‘handmaids tale’ please and thank you
BronyDanza
The direct result of Russian and subsequently US, Saudi, Pakistani and Chinese involvement in Afghanistan.
RicheTheBuddha
All that time and money in Afghanistan and zero to show for it.
unluckyandbored
Then the Russians and the Americans got involved, and together they created the perfect environment for a religious dictatorship to form.
paulhollywood9
I saw a 4-5 year old girl with a hijab covering her face in my local park and I live in the UK!!
RemoRules
Keep in mind that the Islamic revolution in 1979 was directly caused by 25 years of dictatorial oppression under Shah Pavlahvi--installed after a 1953 U.S. CIA coup (run by Kermit Roosevelt) overthrew a democratically elected parliamentary constitutional government. If people can't participate by way of secular politics, they turn to totalitarian religion.
idontknowyoufromadam
More on this picture. Taken in 1972 in Kabul by Laurence Brun. https://www.gettyimages.ae/detail/news-photo/women-in-afghanistan-1972-young-students-wearing-mini-news-photo/1290037170 More photos taken by her (including some more from Afghanistan) with the first one of herself during her visit to Afghanistan in 1972. https://www.gettyimages.ae/search/photographer?photographer=Laurence%20BRUN
IDriveAMinivan
This article is from the Christian science monitor published in 1984. It explains that the heritage Society also gave Reagan a playbook. It was 1000 pages long. He passed 60% of it. I don’t want 6% of 2025 past much less 60%. It’s happened before and it absolutely can happen again..
https://www.csmonitor.com/1984/1207/120768.html
YoungBlood401
Hey, no history or facts. You'll scare them.
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
darthbiscuit
On abortion: it starts with making a woman seek permission from a doctor to terminate. But doctors, for the most part, are concerned with the woman’s health so that won’t be strict enough. Eventually women will have to go before a panel (of men, most likely) to get an abortion. When that becomes commonplace, then it will get to where a man can FORCE a woman to get an abortion and she has NO choice in the matter. It’s a slippery slope.
MutatedHorse
That is exactly what they WANT to happen. These people WANT women to be subjugated and anyone who is not a straight white man to be alienated and hurt. They see Russia and Afghanistan and say, "They got it right"
xenjamin
Islam needs to check itself before it wrecks everyone. Oh, wait. They did check themselves and found that Allah approves of everything they do. And Jesus didn't argue. God must approve of them. Aluah Akbar! /s
clarinetess22
Actually THAT was our fault along with MI6.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Roosevelt_Jr.#:~:text=Roosevelt%20played%20a%20highly%2Dcritical,various%20aspects%20of%20the%20coup.
mksu
Fascism happens slow until it happens fast, and then it's over for you in the blink of an eye.
bluetoaster42
The same way one falls asleep, or falls in love.
languex
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
cabalin
Also marginally cheaper gas will do the same
squidgyblack123456789011
They would be so easy to infiltrate....stick a burqua on and your invisible....go round silently killing all the taliban, or at least the leaders and commanders....
memeseeks
Hate to say it, or maybe I don't, but this is what religion gets you. Maybe it's organized religion?
supermario182
Wait wtf it wasn't always like that?
shepahrdjhon
you mean before the Ronald Reagan's US and Zia ul Haq's Pakistan stepped in?
ArkoneAxon
Oh nos! You mentioned actual history! They didn't like that!
shepahrdjhon
yep, the LOVE to pretend to be so progressive but think all Muslim, black and brown countries are inherently backward with some good people and all western countries are inherently good with some bad apples who are entirely in the GOP. They can't name a single actual Muslim leader pre-Cold War or the history that led to what Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran is like now.
BaBaDuuk
“We know this bad thing can happen because we already did it to other people in a foreign land”. Such an imperialist mindset.
OshakhenneseyAyAyRonandJayQuelin
Oh the irony of this post!
brianbrian4566
Republicans are scapegoating and building walls," it's the Democrats who are extremists"
HeywouldJablowme
Don't you mean iran?
peedrinkingcrapface
except the US already has an authoritarian ruling class, with their own system of exploitation that's about a billion times more advanced and lucrative than the Taliban's, and for them the name of the game is inclusion. they want EVERYbody to participate in their system - and not just as their workers and laborers but as their customers, renters, debtors, viewers, patients, subscribers, shoppers etc. where's the money in reverting half their participants into broodmare chattel? insane.
psmith00
and it won't take as long for the transition now, either.
EmanNiemThcin
Huh, wonder what happened https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Reagan_sitting_with_people_from_the_Afghanistan-Pakistan_region_in_February_1983.jpg
skooterLaughin
Of course, blame the US because the Taliban are cunts.
You fucking Muppet.
EmanNiemThcin
Be a cunt someplace else please.
bottledham
"Okay sure, sharia whatever, we don't care. As long as it's not communism, we'll pay you guys to do whatever you want."
dohcohv
It's relevant in ways not portrayed by this picture. The Soviet-Afghan war was started when the Soviet puppet in Afghanistan was losing against an insurrection, so the USSR interfered. The US was providing support to Afghanistan rebels in the form of weapons. The problem occured when after the USSR pulled out, the US didn't help rebuild which left a weak, poor government that got taken over by religious extremists, the Taliban, in the 90s.
nickwinters
The US bolstered the religious extremists. The CIA worked with the Saudi's to push the narrative of a jihad against the godless commies. After the war ended, the Saudis kept pushing their extreme flavor of Islam using what the CIA taught them.
NinjaCongo
This. The CIA also helped setting up clandestine income for the mujaheddin by supporting their opium production. Afghanistan today produces 70-80% of the world's raw opium, which is later turned into heroin. This is how the Afghans financed the war against the Soviets. Once they kicked them out, they fought a horrendously amongst themselves. Those remaining are the taliban. [very VERY simplified version of the story]
shepahrdjhon
that is the oversimplified version. I actually blame my old country, Pakistan, more for this than the US but both supported more extreme factions as opposed to any moderates. Pakistan did this entirely due to the Durand Line which both the former Afghan King(Zahir Shah) and the socialist who replaced him(Daud Khan) did not accept and who wanted to take over parts of Pakistan. Even Hamid Karzai and his successors were against the Durand Line border but the Afghan Taliban accept it.
AllTheBlueMarbles
Yeah, let's not ignore how fascist US policy destroyed said democracy in Iran.
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état was the U.S.- and British-instigated, Iranian army-led overthrow of the elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favor of the monarchical rule of the shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, to protect British oil interests in Iran.
The Shah's tyrannical and murderous rule led directly to the 1979 Islamic Revolution that culminated in the overthrow of the Pahlavi dynasty in 1979.
Fedotia
Yet somehow the Saudi king murdering women protesting for the right to drive a car is the good guy in Middle East.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
While the Shah was a tyrant, it's also worth noting this wasn't the only reason he was hated. He pushed hard to modernise the country, get rid of the old feudal structures, and promote literacy and gender equality. Which also made those people very angry who were fine with an oppressive reactionary system, as long as it was islamic.
AdmiralLightningrod
Not exactly, the reforms were seen to be western influenced due to the Shahs influence. His tyrant behavior and his forcefulness in the modernisation instead of allowing it to progress naturally as it was before his takeover most likely led to harsher pushback than there was beforehand.
AllTheBlueMarbles
That is an important distinction also. Historical context matters.
dirtmarker
Fedotia
"Parlementarians" in a country where the king got the throne from his dad and ruled with an iron fist before being overthrown 38 years later. Lets stop using rose-tinted glasses at anecdotes.
AdmiralLightningrod
Whose original role was that of a constitutional monarch until the us and uk overthrew the Iranian govt and installed the king as absolute monarch.
AranaDiscoteca
Are you confused on how there can be both a king and a parliament, or?
Fedotia
That anecdote is confusing people by pretending Iran in the 70s wasnt an autocracy and women had a shred of power so keep the downvote for yourself.
AranaDiscoteca
Do... You think I have the power to super downvote you such that it brought you to -23, or that I was willing to make a bunch of bot accounts just to disagree with you? I'm the one engaging publicly.
Fedotia
Imgur's hivemind loves downvote trains.
keystotheairlock
The "king" you were referring to was, in fact, the "Shah" of Iran, a leftover douchebasket from Ottoman Era rulership, who was in bed with the English, letting them take the country's oil and not giving a red cent back to the people. They were in the process of overthrowing that asshole to install a secular humanitarian named Mohammed Mossadegh, to kick out the Brits and retake control of the oil fields and the country itself, until THE CIA said "nah," and reinstated him. THAT paved the way 1/
keystotheairlock
/2 for the "Islamic" revolution of the 1970s, which ushered in a brand new level of fucked up authoritarian religious government and put the Ayatollah Khomeini in charge of, namely, crushing any hope of secular government anywhere in the nation, and doing a bit of ethnic cleansing on the side. Had the Americans stayed out of this, we'd have a developed country where women would still be free to dress as they are in the aforementioned picture, but the Brits wanted oil, and we wanted control.
PrincePiggo
Pre - revolution Iranian women have entered the chat...
thatauzzieguy
Schwing!
DVSBSTrD
Thanks Eisenhower.
PullShporttel
Is the bottom right Shoreh Aghdashloo?
tcpolecat7
Not gonna lie, the girl at the bottom left has a killer ensemble there! I know that's not the point of this post, but still...
NinjaCongo
All of them are like felt cute, might delete later. Love it!
TheWombatStrikesAgain
The Shah actually supported women's rights, girl's literacy, etc. But the liberal part of the population still hated him for being tyrant. Meanwhile the conservatives were okay with a tyrant, but only a sufficiently reactionary and islamic one.
So he pissed everyone off, while not earning much goodwill from any side. Which lead to said revolution.
SecondSince
You are leaving out massive meddling by the US and UK.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Yes. And the Soviet Union, and a few more. Imgur comments aren't the best format for an extensive analysis of a complex topic.
shepahrdjhon
and just like the Afghan women, these women exit the chat because the US stepped in for literally the same reason, fighting socialists.
BrickSprickly
Really? Do tell
Fedotia
The Saudi king funding ISIS and murdering women protesting for the right to drive a car is the good guy in Middle East, yet somehow Iran where women can vote is evil on earth. Crazy what being pro-US can do for your country.
Hoptimonium
Americans are so brainwashed on nationalism and propaganda that they make their children swear loyalty to our capitalist oligarchy ( with the implication that our plutocrats represent God) every morning and no one bats an eye.
shepahrdjhon
this happened twice, the first one is very well known. Mossadegh was replaced by the Shah. Shah was a dictator and had multiple factions against him, including a Marxist one and the Khomeini one. Both the US and the Shah feared the Marxists more and beat them with the SAVAK secret police but they still persisted and were involved in the hostage crisis. The HBO documentary Hostages has more info with interviews from all four sides: US hostages, Marxists, Islamists, and Shah's remaining family.
AdmiralLightningrod
The parliamentary system and constitutional monarchy that Iran had was replaced by the UK and US during the 50s due to the Iranian government at the time wanting to nationalise oil production. In essence we instigated the whole collapse into religious theocracy and conservatism that is modern day Iran.
shepahrdjhon
forgot to add, the interviews are not like everyone has buried the hatchet. The Marxist Iranians still hate Carter and Reagan as well as the Islamists who betrayed them during the hostage crisis, the Islamists and former Islamists still hate the US for backing the Shah, the former hostages still hate Iran overall and the Shah's remaining family still does not accept his responsibility for any of it.