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May 29, 2021 5:30 AM
DrVenture420
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Spoonland
*in the us
CHUNKYPOPS
Bruh, in Romania, insulin is free. Just shocked as well.
ShadeEmberi
*in america
Femkefatale
You just need better healthcare. Insulin is free here.
Teyken
If diabetics started killing the manufactures, they would be put in jail, where they would get insulin.
buttholedinosaur
Because obscene profits are more important than human life. Love of money!
TheBentPianist
There was nothing wrong with the original headline.
fiskebasse
https://www.rand.org/news/press/2020/10/06.html
xXxSTEVOxXx
If you told me America was a social experiment for breeding and training an inordinate amount of sociopaths i would believe you
lotyboy11
Imagine if you needed both insulin AND lumber. You'd be fucked.
Caramster
Fedotia
Ya'll should start regulating medical prices before going for M4all, a whole nation has a much higher purchasing power than a lone diabetic.
nomadgeo9000
Only in America it seems.........
languex
Not a sweet deal!
Anlurai
I wonder how long it will be before we actually eat the rich.
IAmAnthonyStark
We seem to be getting there faster and faster
IAmAnthonyStark
Though, not quick enough
TheHonestPenguin
Like, surely it's better to charge someone quite a lot for a life time than unaffordable amounts until they die at 27...
wulfricthewhite
I feel a real life, moraly justified, Robin Hood moment coming on..
sunandmoonfarm2107
And here's the cruel math. The price gouging will get worse, as more diabetics die, because they can't afford to live.
saxon2060
No, no, no. American healthcare system allows big pharma to gouge. Why aren't national health systems being bankrupted by big pharma? Coz >
saxon2060
they buy fucking generics. I've worked for Lilly (expensive insulin) and now work for an Indian generics manufacturer which makes insulin. >
saxon2060
THE AMERICAN SYSTEM UNIQUELY ALLOWS THIS. yes big pharma is immoral for taking advantage of it but in the rest of the civilised world we >
saxon2060
use generic drugs. (And aren't bombarded with creepy adverts begging you to demand branded medicine from you doctor.)
jack2datits
Hey fellow pharma worker. I wonder if you've thought about like this - the US is by far the biggest funder and driver of R&D
jack2datits
The high prices allow investment into new drug development. These diabetes manufacturers are not making obscene profits year-on-year
CoeurFranc
Stop blaming big pharma. Blame your politicians.
penzick
Blame the people who keep re-electing them w/o having a clue about their legislative voting record or even policy positions. It's our fault.
Jrhoney
I'm still waiting for the DNC or the GOP to propose doing ANYTHING about this price gouging...
atarujun
Discovered and developed in Toronto almost exactly 100 years ago. Should have kept it here and made the Merkin's pay a ranson for it.
walnutbreath
So basically do the same damn thing as these pharma fucks? Jonas Salk would be disappointed with your shameless shitheadedness. Shame on you
walnutbreath
Funny how there's all this surplus profit yet no other manufacturer is trying to undercut their prices. But yeah, they're not price-fixing.
walnutbreath
B&M Gates Foundation needs to create a pharma manufacturer that sells generics at cost and force the criminal colluders out of business.
Xen300
The irony is that if you live in Europe you'll get free insulin but are less likely to get diabetes in the first place.
grimnorseman
If one is a fat fuck, type-2 diabetes don't care if you are a french fatty or a yankee doodle dork of a pig.
grimnorseman
Type-1 diabetes is more of a death-sentence in the US compared to Canada or Europe unless you have a nice paycheck, i would assume.
cliomhsolas
Type 2 doesnt always require insulin so this isnt relevant to them , type1 are the insulin dependent
grimnorseman
Yes, but if type2 is ignored, then it could develop into type1.
MaybeAcat
Type one diabetes is an autoimmune disease. They’d just be an insulin-dependent type 2.
grimnorseman
Have a kid with type1, and closed loop pump/sensor. I might know something about diabetes ;)
NonstopRampage
A few decades ago, if anyone cut off a resource people needed, OR THEY'D DIE, they'd hang everyone involved for it. Drag em out the door.
audioknob
Wonder what the total cost is. Like everything in the supply chain end to end. I'm sure even charging a pitiful amount there's still profit
AberXX
tmk at least, for production it only costs a few dollars. I would guess that the rest supply chain doesn't cost much either.
AberXX
not counting the few hundred dollars american fee
jack2datits
Look up what PBMs are in the US and how insurance works, before you comment on something like this
penzick
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive
xXxSTEVOxXx
Maybe rich people shouldnt be in charge of everything anymore. Maybe regular people need more power to shape society in day to day life.
MultipleMorgasms
Definitely
nemesisx00
Shouldn't be in charge of anything*
treeclimbernick
We should develop a system where we can come together and combine the power of collective decisions to decide how things should be.
xXxSTEVOxXx
Brilliant! We could call it.... peopleocracy! All this "democracy" shit you hear politicians going on about is clearly nonsense
clumsygoat
Another ignorant socialist, smh... Riddle me this Bernie-lover, how would trickle-down-diabetes even work in that situation?
Urgalicity
How about once you make your first billion, you're killed on the spot? Should be fair.
xXxSTEVOxXx
I beg your pardon?
thesved
I think they're joking, but this is the internet so you never know
xXxSTEVOxXx
God damn if that ain't the truth...
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
Wouldn't they use that power to become rich?
xXxSTEVOxXx
.....so?
Ddraig213
“Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” There have been experiments with this, where people given power are easily corrupted
Ddraig213
You do realize that other then money, rich people are the same? Switching who has money will only switch whose being abused.
xXxSTEVOxXx
To be clear .y argument is "maybe people should have more power *over their own lives*" not over other people. Maybe that changes things?
Ddraig213
That might be better. However, how far? What if freedom over their own lives causes someone else’s life to be more restricted?
xdeepsearch
Don't the pharma companies realize that if everyone that needs insulin dies they won't be able to make bank off of them anymore?
walnutbreath
Don't worry, we've been fattening several generations of schoolchildren to ensure a steady revenue stream of diabetics.
IamfunatpartiesIknow
To be fair, the original headline was clear enough
voodoofu
Journalists are supposed to stay impartial and just report facts, unless it is an opinion piece
storebrandproductmascot
People don't think of that as murder, though. Many people blame the poor for not being able to afford stuff.
CloakerJosh
Yeah, I was thinking that. The commentary doesn't add a lot to the perspective.
Youhavinagiraffe
It's responding to an extremely bad faith alternative understanding of the headline for the sake of "virtue signalling"...
Youhavinagiraffe
... Vox are very clear about the reasons for this https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
It was cowardly. I hate the passive voice in news reporting. "Has become so expensive" – how? Through magic? By an act of god? Someone ...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
decided to raise the price. Why? Did it become more expensive to produce? Was it sheer greed? Why does this only in the US? And how many ...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
pharmaceutical corporations have to collude in order for the price of insulin as a whole to increase? How is this price fixing legal? Those…
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
are the questions journalists are supposed to investigate&answer. Instead they pretend it's a natural phenomenon,completely out of our hands
ImThaLAW
It's like charging someone for oxygen. The absolute cunts.
WhataboutBobWiley
they already charge for oxygen...& any drugs that are needed for daily life. They all cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
nikh23
Sadly they do charge for supplemental oxygen
EmmaReiki
I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees.
Rynath
Godman666
Give it time, once humanity goes to Mars and moon, you’ll see people being charge for oxygen and being let to die if they don’t pay for it.
IainG101
*Laugh-cries in The Expanse.....*
sithrakhatesyouequally
This pandemic progressed to life saving oxygen being unaffordable in some countries, so yeah, we're kinda past that.
VictusVonGuyver
Water bottling companies are starting to do the same. Taking water resources away from the public. Looking at you Nestle!
shano510
If you need your oxygen in a tank, you're paying for it.
Oinochoe
Nestle will do just that when they figure out how
WinstonSmith101
Like Bezos and Musk haven’t already planned that when they get workers into space...
hogeybear
Why doesn't a manufacturer just produce it and charge at least half or a quarter? The entire market will shift to them and the
hogeybear
company still profits. Even if they raise prices again it will be a successful model that another company can replicate again and again.
Cgumn
If they could they would.
NonstopRampage
We need to make sure that the moneygrubbers don't forget. When things go that far, we'd all rather savage the root cause than let it kill us
NonstopRampage
Before we're forced to choose between destroying whole businesses and going after the ringmasters, on threat of suffocating to death.
LordNergal
Have I mentioned you owe $2,857,869,586,723,958.76 for all of the oxygen you have used in your life?
cattlegrazer82
How much did I save with my auto-erotic asphyxiation kink?
LordNergal
$17.38, but they are offering a special discount of bill paid in full if you can frame Mitch McConnell for trying to murder you.
Biggie69
Sadly, I think it's only a matter of time
CangodCreateAStoneItCannotLift
Welcome to the Moon or Mars
GeneralNuclear
China have already don that.
TheCauseTheKidTheCourseTheCharm
Don't give them ideas
Affablesea9917
youknowwhatiamsaying
We are already seeing that in India right now people charging exorbitant prices for oxygen cylinders
darthstormer
Don't worry, I'm sure Nestle is working on that one.
SometimesIFeelLikeAGenius
It's in the works for when the put a headquarters on Mars.
gradeD
Their CEO says their business practices are conservation. It's pretty fucked up.
spacewar
Conserving their wealth and power.
Goodthingsdontalwayscometoyou
Psssssht!
kEMup
Ahh, the O² wars of 2216. It get pretty bad, but then it gets really bad, but then it does get a little better; never back to good though.
BallsDeepinaDragonscloaca
I feel dumber after reading that comment. Thanks.
kEMup
Shhh.. I'm from the future
gradeD
I was in a really cool spot b4 quarantine. I'm doing ok now, I get on, but wow I wish I realized just how good I was having it at the time.
TheS4ndm4n
Just wait for the announcement Nestle is funding spacex missions to make their own Mars and moon colonies.
joshsam
Wasn't that the plot of total recall?
TheS4ndm4n
If I recall, they had the ability to terraform Mars. But they didn't, because that would ruin the oxygen market.
joshsam
Yes but they didn't want the reactor to hit the ice releasing all the oxygen. The head guy watned to keep a monopoly on the oxygen
jack2datits
Do you think oxygen is sold for free in healthcare..? Do you think oxygen manufacturers shouldn't make money..?
ImThaLAW
No I don't think that there should be an exorbitant rate for something that is essential to human life. Charge for both but do so fairly.
jack2datits
Define fairly. How much profit is fair? How about food, am I allowed to make profit on food since it's essential for survival?
ImThaLAW
I'm not spending $2,000 a month on hot dogs
ImThaLAW
Yeah sure make profit but when insurance doesn't cover it what then?
ImThaLAW
My fiance spends about 2,000 a month on medication for diabetes to stay alive. Idk what's fair but that isn't. Or is that cheap to you?
jack2datits
Firstly, that's probably modern insulin. Your fiance could take cheaper human insulin. Also, shouldn't you have insurance to cover it?