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Australia votes tomorrow on whether to recognise aborigines in the constitution and whether to establish an aboriginal voice in parliament
from https://twitter.com/Briggs/status/1711988064644731242
4thwalled
Briggs is awesome. Just did my early vote.
Fitzcaelte
I'm all for the Voice. Vote Yes.
geotard
Familiar Shit Lords working against it. Murdoch and the gang doing their best to fuck over everyone.
Each political group reaches a point in power where the inaction on indigenous issues makes them look bad so they disband the group. This gives a permanent voice to our first people. Murdoch et al are running with the old gem of they'll take your backyard see Mabo decision for that old racist play.
grimroaeos
I felt so depressed to see so many people wearing 'No' shirts as I pulled up to vote last Friday. My hopes of raising passing is low, but I expect it. What I'm not prepared for is the vitriol from the no campaigners whwnr they win and shove it in everyone's face.
Slarty86
Saw some of the No ads, funded by Mineralogy, which means the mining industry don't want the locals to say they can't dig up resources.
Odincdaj522004
The little smile at the end, Jesus. That makes me angry for the guy by itself.
flyinghamstick
I went and voted early and saw two older people yelling at the guys hanging out flyers about how they didn't need anymore help and deserved less rights. It took everything in my body to not buy into it and start yelling at them back. Hopefully the vote will pass despite what Murdoch's media parade is saying.
BDBottom
Can we have something nice for Christmas this year? Like a dead Rupert?
ataroundabout
In the 1967 referendum, 90% white Australians voted in favour of indigenous Australians. Tomorrow a multicultural Australia will overwhelmingly vote No against the Voice. Interesting.
ataroundabout
If the polls are correct that is.
gimme
I am voting yes tomorrow
masterchillah
Briggsy is a legend. That is all!
masterchillah
Also, vote yes!
WeaponizedJerk
How the fuck is that not already the case?
Lepidopterous
NearHereThere
I am not hopeful because 1) most referenda don't pass 2) Australia is full of racists
AnndyEdwards
As a melbournite, my sad but realistic feelings exactly. I wish I had 1000 votes allocated to me. :(
tooomanystevesgotbanned
Show me a country that isn't. :(
EddyWantok
No, not full, sure there's plenty, but not full.
PhilFromAccounting
Briggs is fuckin' awesome. You should see some of the absolute horseshit the other side is peddling. "It'll be a huge waste of money" "There's no accountability" The Murdoch machine is in full go mode. It's disgusting.
IknowJeremy
As a Kiwi, I'll be horrible embarrassed by my cousins over the ditch if this fails..... good luck to all the first people of Australia, Nz stands with you
EddyWantok
Cheers cuzzie, fucking hoping it passes.
AmarettosMommy
I would have thought this was over and done last century. WTF Australia?
LunaAtlas
Polls show 70/30 - NO will win tomorrow. They already got recognition in the 1967 referendum. This one is about creating a body that will have the power to shut down anything using the Federal Court. Actual apartheid mandate.
OldmanSerious
Massive liar as usual for the No side. 67 referendum allowed (!) Aboriginals the vote (some already had the vote, this cleared the way to make it everyone). It didn't give recognition as first peoples. This referendum adds very little to the constitution and doesn't give some kind of huge veto power to anyone.
Noahbalboa82
Brilliant advert. Love it
SpaceHaze91
So glad my family knows how to vote for what's right...even if it's not perfect. It's the right thing to do. VOTE YES!
LunaAtlas
Polls show 70/30 - NO will win tomorrow. They already got recognition in the 1967 referendum. This one is about creating a body that will have the power to shut down anything using the Federal Court. Actual apartheid mandate.
LuIubelle
Nope, you are so full of shit.
holyspaghetti
Why the fuck is it even a vote? It’s fucked up
youreathing
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE IT IS! OIM gonna have to take this to me memba of Parliament!!
insertwittyremarkherelater
Oi! Andy!
youreathing
ANDYYYYYYYYYYYYY?
MysticMoe
Why is this even a vote? Ok, democracy is all well and good, but this should just be a gimme.
OldmanSerious
Yep, it should. And I've seen commentary from some people I know who are Aboriginal that this is just another case of whites giving them something. But unfortunately to change the constitution like this it needs a referendum, and it needs to pass in a majority of states as well.
hoopsnek
Changing the constitution requires majority support.
ChocolateCookieAndFudge
Why is this even up to people's choice. That's how Brexit happened. Don't ask average people to vote on other's wellbeing, they are always cunts to each others.
RayneOfSalt
Because it's a change to the constitution. It requires a public referendum.
Anarchduke
So a special council will advise Parliament who will then ignore the fuck out of them anyway? Am I misunderstanding this?
insertwittyremarkherelater
It's still the right to be heard and represented. Which is what a democracy is meant to be all about
LunaAtlas
Polls show 70/30 - NO will win tomorrow. They already got recognition in the 1967 referendum. This one is about creating a body that will have the power to shut down anything using the Federal Court. Actual apartheid mandate.
OldmanSerious
Wow another lie. What a surprise. 1967 was about voting for all Aboriginal people (not just some), and did nothing to recognise their status as first peoples. Referendum does NOT create some kind of super veto ability. So you are deliberately lying about it.
whovars
That man can rap.
Bamaji
Vote YES
imreallynotnice
No don’t vote yes as an aboriginal it’s against our laws we are a community we don’t need government
blique
No.
RisingSol
That seems like... less than the bare minimum of what these people should be getting. Give indigenous people actual, legitimate representation in the government.
blique
They have 11 democratically elected sitting members, 3.2% to the 3.7% of people who identify as aboriginal in Australia. As well as multiple agencies representing them to government.
BulgogiBolognese
It's a very modest proposal and people are going reeeeeeeeee (yes I did just use reeeeee,what are you gonna do? Call the internet police?)
Eli93
I called the internet police. They laughed at me...
LunaAtlas
Polls show 70/30 - NO will win tomorrow. They already got recognition in the 1967 referendum. This one is about creating a body that will have the power to shut down anything using the Federal Court. Actual apartheid mandate.
LuIubelle
Lying racist here
RayneOfSalt
Repeating your racist lies don't make them true.
gearsmith
I love his beard.
jsg6228
But should take off the hat though.
jsg6228
/s for those that don't get it
thekadeshi
i love kinda his whole vibe
wildpackoffamilydogs
That's your takeaway? I mean, me too. But the whole people's voices should be heard, and even count (eventually?) as a voting power part?
MadamPuddifoot
Oh, no, fuck the people, no voices for them. 🙄Of COURSE we all think it's a good idea.
SpikedDoggos
And his voice :)
PresterJon
https://youtu.be/r4zlXvyyWjY?si=g8UH-OgQAz4SEmam
AncientBreadcrumbs
Yeah
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allenvasher3000
It seems like it'll have as much power as the Resident commissioner of Puerto Rico hash in Congress
allenvasher3000
Has* not hash
newsguycraigevans
Puerto Rico hash... That reminds me, I need to call a guy
MrSquiggle
while this is accurate to a large extent, the impact of the referendum being defeated will be extremely bad because governments will see it as evidence that voters don't care about indigenous people and go back to pretending that they just don't exist
allenvasher3000
Yes agreed, & it is a tiny step in the right direction
ghostlight
It'll actually have considerably less because the commissioner is allowed to vote on legislation - the Voice not only has no legislative power, but it can be explicitly ignored or even dissolved by the government.
BeardicPerformance
The rep from Puerto Rico does not get a vote on legislation. I mean, they CAN vote but it doesn’t count.
ghostlight
They're not allowed to vote on the house floor but they are allowed to vote in committees and table amendments to bills. The Voice doesn't even get that.
BeardicPerformance
But that’s just because of House rules. They have no Constitutional authority. They exist and are listened to as a courtesy only. It’s really not much of an improvement.
BulgogiBolognese
No it can't be dissolved! That's why the referendum. Once it's in the constitution it needs another referendum to get rid of. ATSIC and other great orgs got legislated away when there was a change of government. They brought good results and then: new government -> bye bye ATSIC
If you say it's does not go far enough: yes I agree. BUT it's a very modest proposal on purpose. So it has a chance of getting over the line.
Grumposstuff
Hope it does.
BulgogiBolognese
Jup.
ghostlight
That's good if it does, but the bill text does provide the government the power to pass legislation regarding the "composition, function, powers and procedures" of the group, which would theoretically allow a government to legislate the composition to zero members.
BulgogiBolognese
Not a lawyer but: then would mean there is no voice which then would contravene the constitution ie: the high court would not allow that bill to pass. Or sth like that.
ghostlight
Also not a lawyer, and I don't want to seem like I'm poopooing it - this is an amazing first step, and I hope there are many more to come.
thinkybrainpains
not sure how AUS law works. I'm in the US and can say what I think whenever it happens in the USA >>> having a majority vote on the rights of a minority is fucked up.
mineria
Any changes to the Australian Constitution have to go through a referendum.
BulgogiBolognese
There is a reason for the referendum, it's needed to enact constitutional change. And why the constitutional change? So that the voice cannot be legislated away. There were a lot of great orgs that delivered great results but they were legislated away with change of gov. Big fucking waste of money and how are you supposed to plan if you might not exist in four years anymore?
flyinghamstick
It's similar to how we got to vote on whether gay people should be allowed to marry. I almost felt insulted that I was even being asked, I wasn't married or religious or had any ties to marriage, why should I have to vote on giving someone else equal rights? Why wouldn't they just pass the law through?
thinkybrainpains
I was also enraged about this in the US. But look how laws can be turned back. LBGTQAI+ DO need constitutional protection in the US because even the Supreme Clerics Court has no problem taking rights away from people (eg: Women's rights!)
anoldiebutagoodie
This is to change the Australian constitution. So every Australian has the right to have a say
RuijiRiku
Still a step up from the minority dictating the rights of the majority without a vote.
ArcaneConjecture
You mean like the US Electoral College?
aintnothinbutahounddog28
South Africa jumped to mind for me as well.... Ok really most of Africa and lots of Asia at some point as well. Good old imperialist colonization
MrMcGeeIn3D
Exactly
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Totalwombat
The have the same representation as everyone else
They currently have a aboriginal affairs minister, don't spread lies
Totalwombat
And*
FlareYes
Didn't help their national history from being destroyed by mining corporations did it?
Turns out you need a big bully to stop that shit from happening.
AnotherSnarkyComment
As an Aussie, this is a no, dawg. We have a whole federal department for aboriginal affairs. The yes vote creates classes of people and divides the Australian people. It is literally writing racism into our constitution, and I'm amazed people don't see it.
incendiumsatus
Don't worry the 'minority' white people (RWNJ trash) are up in arms about it.
AnotherSnarkyComment
Would you support the enshrining of racism to your constitution? Create two classes of people, some with rights and then... everyone else?
incendiumsatus
Absolutely stupid and racist comment. Scared little white fella no doubt. As a white bloke of Scottish decent I want to see the change that is needed. I'm not scared of little green men.
AnotherSnarkyComment
Not stupid, not racist. That's why I voted no. Fuck off back to Scotland and/or mind your own fucking business.
incendiumsatus
Hmmm ok chappie no worries (not racist but voted against a measure that would help another group.... right). Scared they might take your backyard or something (which is complete bullshit scaremongering).
the3th
good luck aussies, hope it passes. surely not perfect, but it sounds like a step in the right direction.
IOnlyFavouriteBunniesAndRats
Latest numbers I heard were 51% no, 44% yes, and 5% undecided. Unlikely to pass, unfortunately.
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RayneOfSalt
Mate, you need to see a proctologist get them to flush all the shite out from between your ears cos you're fuckin' full of it.
Kordj
Fuuuuuck off it will. To the federal court propaganda. Obviously the No vote is winning tomorrow
ForGondor
Fuck off cunt, stop spreading lies.
BDSMThroatHugs
It's very very likely to fail.
Seems to be a strong interest with the younger generation but overall apathy.
crushingmissy
I thought the younger generation would all be on board. But my colleagues are 20-25 and the ones I was with today voted no. I was shocked. One said they didn't have any information on why to vote yes and I thought of this clip. It's almost laughable if it weren't frustrating!
DaddySchlongleg
I'd agree with apathy if we didn't have compulsory voting. The No push is based on ignorance and fear of the unknown, not apathy.
Strategicgnomer
Hopefully that means the idiots will be apathetic too, and the younger voters will be there to vote it in
JoeDuece
gotta vote or we get a fine
the3th
sorry to hear that. apathy sucks donkey.
asanaustralianwhyareyourpostsupsidedown
Interestingly, apathy often results in what is referred to as a donkey vote.
ScorBun
There has been a pretty poor effort to advertise from the 'Yes' side and the 'No' campaign has just been left to flood the void with fear-mongering lies. It's actually making me angry at this point how badly it's all been managed.
Pyrolime
Wait, really? I've seen 3 "Vote No" signs total that weren't at a voting centre. And there's "Vote Yes" stuff absolutely everywhere.
Mind you, that's between Canberra and Bathurst
EddyWantok
What, on the high way?
Pyrolime
Nah just 1 in each town
NothingPrince
On the radio they said the young people are voting no. This time you can't blame the boomers. It's the youth.
EddyWantok
Yeah nah mate, Is that that one radio station we get down here?
NothingPrince
I voted yes. It was repeating what the polls are saying. I Fucking can't believe how rasist AUS still are.
BDSMThroatHugs
While there is a degree of racism it's mainly in the crap way the whole thing was managed, easily allowed the no side to swoop in and influence the undecided.