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Very good my dear Watson.
Dec 16, 2017 11:05 PM
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ionicseraph
Gonna be that guy but pedophilia =/= hebephilia, which is just as bad but not a common thing to differentiate
MundaneFinality
If it's the dark web, how do we know this was 1/5 of it?
sexyGandalf12
How the he'll does anyone find a website like that? Wouldn't they be flagged automatically?
imostlylurkandsometimescomment
How do I fund these people?
apercent
Which did.. all of nothing. If you take down a cp website but you don't arrest the people on it, they just make another. Theyre used to it
Brightlinger
Of course it did something. It forced the cops to figure out what the 10,000 sites they were keeping tabs on are doing now.
FrostyRaptor
Makes you wonder what they would do for a Klondike Bar...
MadDrDrillBit
i sincerely hope this isn't fake, but, some dude at work just got busted for it so we can be hopeful. many kudos Anon, y'all keep it up.
CompletelyUniqueUsername
It is hard to imagine imagine a more unvarifiable brag.
GoldFrieza
Source? I've heard many stories like this with the NSA involved. I'm going to need sauce to believe Anonymous was involved this time
Nigbac
http://www.newsweek.com/anonymous-hacker-dark-web-child-porn-operation-553014 I don’t know how reliable
Jhonny0darko
How do you know it’s 1/5th?
RememberTheC4nt
https://metrics.torproject.org/hidserv-dir-onions-seen.html
TheDivineUsersub
I .. .uhhh.. don't have the faintest idea what i'm looking at.
fashenkna
This graph shows the number of unique .onion addresses for version 2 onion services in the network per day.
notacobra
The dark web doesn't have "Websites", however it contains more than a million domains. Also, "Anonymous" didn't do anything in this case.
MrPredator
Hopefully they'll go after the FCC next and fuck with those asswipes.
TacoCatte16
And then they all went to 4chain to complain about Roy Moore losing before fapping to under age hentai art.
JBerg003
Any proof? I believe in their cause but they said they’d do something about Net Neutrality within 48 hours but I’ve heard nothing
RememberTheC4nt
The problem is everyone can say something in the name of anonymous because everyone could be a member. So don't believe everything you here.
DongSayaDae
Yeah, anonymous isnt a "group that exists all the time", its more so something that people "use" for... punching power or how to say it.
DongSayaDae
To better explain it you could say that, in a way the group anonymous is more like a program/service that hackers use
kodiak931155
Aaaaand they're back
OviliskTwo
I need sauce w this or its you flapping gums.
DashDaddyD
GoldFrieza
Nigbac
http://www.newsweek.com/anonymous-hacker-dark-web-child-porn-operation-553014
OviliskTwo
That took forever. Yet the pop up on this sight included a buff grandpa and "Men, try this tonight you'll never need a vagina" More sauce.
tzxAzrael
sounds like you might have spyware? the article is legit... but it's dated ages ago (feb? or june? 2/6/17) this is ooooold.
TehWolfs
But yet they were nowhere during the fight for net neutrality.
AllTheCoolKidsPeeTheirPants
How do you even access the “dark web”...?
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
The dark web has much more than 50.000 sites.
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
*less than. There's only 30k last count. And it's disappearing fast.
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
*Fewer than. But there seem to be conflicting data about the number, so I guess we'll have to settle for "unknown" so 1/5 is probably wrong.
Rukel
Got some source for that?
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601073/the-surprising-light-side-of-the-dark-web/ 4th paragraph.
Rukel
Well, that includes only tor-based websites and that article mentions that the total number of websites is unknown. But thanks for source.
RememberTheC4nt
That's the dark web, what you mean is the deep web. And yes there is a difference. Source : Google it
rarararararararararararararara
How do they even find ten thousand child porn websites
MechanusIncarnate
Use a program to try randomly typing in URLs. A computer can try 1000s of times per second.
rarararararararararararararara
Yeah but they have to manually judge/see each link?
MechanusIncarnate
The vast majority or attempts will just get 404, but any site can be auto-read for keywords. Same as how google knows what is on a site.
TooMuchWorkNotNuffFun
Sauce please?
Nigbac
http://www.newsweek.com/anonymous-hacker-dark-web-child-porn-operation-553014 Idk how reliable
TooMuchWorkNotNuffFun
Thanks!!
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
And most of those weren't even online. TOR has been dying a quick death. At last queue, only 4,400 onion sites were online.
deltora97
so most of the sites were dead or not used anymore?
Darthran
IIRC, they are not crawlable but can be accessed point to point, like by invitation.
thefire259
But why and what would they use for a different " untrackable " browser
Ilikeyogurt
Idk that’s the only one I’ve ever heard of lol
congrationyoudoneit
i2p
ABigRedBall
It's not a browser its an entire protocol.
aintgottimeforbs
Doesn’t TOR automatically put you on a list somewhere w/ the cops? You’re either paranoid or actually doing something dodgy if you use it?
tracereading
Bullshit it does.
breakingcode
No, it doesn't. But there are plenty of "bait sites" that will try to get your info or gather metrics. that's why you use a VPN & BTC
d0o0o0d
It's not illegal to be paranoid.
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
Probably. That's why I only access mine when I'm already behind a VPN.
ThaEnder
Can't they see that you're using a VPN? Wouldn't that then be considered suspicious too?
tonedeafsidekick
VPNs are commonly used for all sorts of reasons, including to access at-work network resources from home.
Whackjob
Well, anonymous is largely 4chan, and 4chan is notorious for child porn, so it's possible they simply stopped hosting it themselves.
Zyrr
No it isn't. Shut up. Stop getting your news from reddit.
Whackjob
It isn't *NOW* only because of a long and protracted crackdown that's still going on. Don't talk about things you don't know.
Zyrr
It's never been notorious for it. I'd say stop being ignorant, but that's your forte.
Zyrr
It's always been illegal and when it rarely happens it's deleted, reported and prosecuted the same as if it was uploaded to another website.
Gheebun
Roy Moore must be devastated.
fishereli
As an Alabamian, and legit 3rd cousin to Roy Moore...you get an upvote. :)
OsoLoco1313
his home video collection!
nursejr210
Can they work on the bullshit/fake/fear-mongering ones, then?
TheEightfoldPath
You don't understand. Those are people collaborating across petty political differences, what you mention is inconsequential in the big pic.
nursejr210
Why not reveal the facts of US healthcare? Of who is actually the #1 killer of US citizens? Why not expose the corruption of oil cartels?
TheEightfoldPath
Why don't you then? They set their heads to a common goal that isn't easily detailed by politics or personal beliefs. Quit moaning.
TheEightfoldPath
Derailed*
nursejr210
Why do you think I said it? Medicine doesn't want nurses to reveal that MDs kill more people than guns, cars, and drugs combined.
nursejr210
That is why nurses are being held down by state medical laws....
TheEightfoldPath
Then do something about it. Sitting around moaning about what others aren't doing something about is pointless.
HyJinkx
http://www.newsweek.com/anonymous-hacker-dark-web-child-porn-operation-553014 it’s an older story but for those who wanted a source.
VoidofStatic
chris250
Thanks for the source!
d3xus
You are a kind soul; thanks for the source!
alsoAzrael
ARGH! You were THIS CLOSE! You coulda said "It's an older story, but it checks out" but NO you ignored the reference like a JERK!! ..*pouts*
Sarcasticbombastic
alsoAzrael
https://i.giphy.com/media/9WXyFIDv2PyBq/giphy.mp4
reliturino
and in their place... sadly, another 15000 will spawn. Taking down a website doesn't make people less sick in the fuckin' head.
sfcorax
It will make it harder to come by meaning less people will be viewing it, that makes people more enticed to do something better.
GodEmperor0fMankind
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Anonymous also doxx a lot of the "people" they find on those sites?
AvoxPaine
I wouldn't blame them if they did— though it'd make a lot of sense to report their info to the police so they can get them off the internet.
JizzlamicState
You’re right let’s leave them to it shall we?
OldManandtheSee
Maybe they can do something about StormWatch? Please....?
TonyZed68
And doing nothing will achieve nothing.
reliturino
I'm all for their removal, just remember - cutting off the head of a hydra breeds more heads.
metroidmayhem
Why is this being downvoted? It's a legitimate point that you need to take out the source to stop a problem from reoccuring
JizzlamicState
Pedoysseus
Mxlespxles
That's gold, Jerry.
midd1eearth
Gold!
TonyZed68
Only in mythology.
reliturino
well, considering these people live in a fantasy world - I think the rule applies.
WilliamByrd76
That was fuckin clever, tho
deadbeat44x
You've gotta ask why pedophilia is so wide spread and pervasive in our society. The answer could stop it from happening
OfficialBenderRodriguez
https://media1.tenor.com/images/9fb45a3bece42f45e71f97bbd2cde3b6/tenor.gif
Arstrchs
Society should learn to better off the EQ level of their citizens, learn from small scale communities
scratchh
humans are naturally attracted to young people
imeanameanmeme
People can’t choose what turns them on, but they can make a judgment on what is right/wrong and whether to act on their impulses.
elgambito
Sentience
PedestrianElectrobastard
Sapience
TheGreatBlueHeron
Right/wrong is all about informed consent. Children, who lack worldly experience, cannot give that.
lespritdelescargot
This is something that would be healthy for society to understand. There are a lot of paedos who fight the impulse to abuse.
ButCanHeDoItOnAColdRainyNightAtStoke
The amount of young girls and guys that are so into 30-40 year old men. I can guarantee you I could go to my old highschool and point out
ButCanHeDoItOnAColdRainyNightAtStoke
half a class full of girls at first glance who'd let an old guy take them home if he was smooth enough with a day or two of texting.
ButCanHeDoItOnAColdRainyNightAtStoke
And nobody needs to tell you a teen boy wouldn't say no to an attractive woman, she probably looks like the girls he sees on adult sites.
Dehaka
The schoolboy/teacher thing is played for comedy, which tells us a lot about how much society cares about that.
ButCanHeDoItOnAColdRainyNightAtStoke
though, this is mentioning stuff that's not necessarily "childs" age, just underage. It's utterly beyond me how anybody can find a young
ButCanHeDoItOnAColdRainyNightAtStoke
child sexually attractive, that's way beyond my comprehension of their fucked minds. But young underage teens? Not so hard, considering
ButCanHeDoItOnAColdRainyNightAtStoke
how they, and their friends, all dress and act, and how accessible incredibly private conversation with one is.
ButCanHeDoItOnAColdRainyNightAtStoke
Therein lies the problem really, you can go online and talk to someone who has kids your age pretty easy. *cough* chat-avenue, Kik, etc.
espressoandpostrock
The same question should be asked about every problem. Unfortunately it's easier and more appealing to attack a symptom and not the cause.
stupidpendous
Unpopular opinion: but a lot has to do with sex ignorance, which in our society is largely based in religion. We close the door on nature.
Skulties1
I interpret your comment as "if we were more open about sex, ppl might be more mature about it"
GnomeDeGuerre
That may be a valid factor in some of the mentality.
FilYouWithMe
Indeed it does, but in a society where an interest in pedophilia alone is a death sentence, it's hard to have a conversation without hate.
LosPer
Huh, ignorance about sex and religious training results in pedophilia? WTF?
IMakePretzelsFromScratch
He's not saying it leads directly to it, just that ignorance can lead to "bad" interests to fester out of control.
LosPer
Seems like a reach to me...and more than likely some kind of agenda.
stupidpendous
It's not a reach when you have lived it. "Sex is bad" but adults hold the power & suffering gets you into heaven. Crazy right?
Nigbac
I disagree, I think that both excessive prudishness and acceptance of forms of sexual deviancy both cause similar trouble.
GnomeDeGuerre
I'm not sure that your perspective is in conflict with what you commented on.
ArtArchive
I'm not sure I get your implication. Sexual behavior in our society is more open and encouraged than it has been in a long time.
stupidpendous
Ex: my kids have always known proper body part names & that babies can come from 2 adults (not magic). This is still weird for some.
stupidpendous
This depends on where you live. Sex is in advertising yeah - but children are still kept in the dark about their bodies.
ArtArchive
How are you drawing the conclusion that this leads to pedophilia?
Shalere
Kids can't run as fast.
JessicaDingAUS
Problem is people use the word often incorrectly.
YutzWithAHorse
Is it because it's taboo? Like, tell a child they can't have something and then it's all they want
Ryanator50
some fetishes are like that, but people say Pedophilia is more of a mental illness.
YutzWithAHorse
I had talked to this guy on the internet a long time ago who said he was into kids but would never actually do anything about it
Ryanator50
well good on that guy. He knew it was wrong, and didn't want to hurt any children.
qPRdxH4UXm36HS9rJgLA
Sexy children?
ItchyTapir
Mayonnaiseisainstrument
Unverified
Same reason we like big titties, people are just into it. I'd say at least give them hentai shit, maybe it willcut down on kids being abused
CuttleFishOfCthulu
Holy shit. This comment is upvoted 55 times. What. The. Fuuuuuuck?
scorp2526
There’s a bit of a difference though! Also giving them something to work with just normalises it It’s something that should never leave 1/2
scorp2526
A persons mind if it’s there, other than to talk to a therapist
AlexisActually
They don't get to talk to therapists, or they get reported, afaik. Even if no harm is occurring. That might not still be accurate, though.
CairoLen
Depends where they are.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I think there needs to be a lot more research into whether looking at drawings of children having sex "feeds the fire", so to speak, and /1
IMakePretzelsFromScratch
I think its a bit of both. Availability of a cartoon version holds interest, but relieves the urge, so to speak.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
makes them want it more, or whether it can sate them enough so they leave actual children alone. Because if it's the former, than that /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
just makes it worse. /3
tzxAzrael
this won't happen until there is a massive cultural shift in the USA. right now studying it is about as bad as committing it, unfortunately
incorporeal5
We like big boobs because of evolution. Large breasts were signs of being able to take good care of children.
Unverified
But you can't force yourself to all of a sudden not like boobs. Pedo shit has a long standing history
ListenHereOP
You sound like a fucking pedophile
Ryanator50
technically he's not wrong. Men in their thirties used to marry 12 year old girls, and still do in 3rd world countries. It's horrible, yes.
Unverified
Not at all, I just understand that some people are wired differently and should be able to seek help
boshbashbish
Are you saying paedophilia is part of evolution? Adult-child sex has been going on for a few thousand yr....its certainly not a modern thing
incorporeal5
No, I’m not saying paedophila is evolutionary. I was saying why we like big boobs.
BendyDicksCumOnMyBaps
It's also not only a human thing. Many species do it, it's an illness.
Unverified
Exactly. It is an illness, I think there should be steps on understanding why and addressing it
Sintanan
I would hedge a guess it has to do with evolution. Males wanted to make sure they mates with young females to ensure offspring are cared--
Grekos01
Unfortunately we’re already pretty sure we know what causes it, and there’s almost nothing we can do about it. Just shitty parenting mostly.
doct3r
People are attracted to innocence
rezpawner
People insecure about their sexual performance are, because they hope the receiver doesn't know how shitty they are in bed.
Strasburg6592
Speak for yourself, I like worldliness and maturity in a woman.
doct3r
Not. more trying to justify a common mentality of the corrupt. Hence why people in high positions of corrupt responsibility (bankers, 1/2)
doct3r
2/2 ceos) indulge the act. They want something they lost. Inoccence. Sad, but fact.
blastingjackal6
Just murder everybody and there will be no pedos
Ryanator50
but what if heaven isn't real?
viila
What if hell is?
Ryanator50
I'm not a christian, but even I know that the devil hates all humans, and isn't really in charge of Hell.
TheGreatBlueHeron
Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy, if you try.
WizardRyan
No pain: positive. Pain: negative. Pleasure: positive. No pleasure: neutral. Logical choice: kys.
Mayonnaiseisainstrument
I like that plan. We could also stop getting kids and nobody needs to worry.
sumowoman
Murder is the answer 99 times out of 100.
skincancerisfun
And I'm guessing the other 1 time is suicide?
sumowoman
No, it's puppies.
skincancerisfun
Thank goodness for puppies
Lamplord
The replies to this comment are so...Well...Yeah.
theflyingnun
I have a pedophile friend who has never heart any children. His dad raped him throughtout childhood and warped his mind.
SpicyMemeBalls
Get more of them in to therapy and hope to get rid of those feelings, getting help for that sort of thing needs to be slightly more 1
SpicyMemeBalls
accepted, not saying they're good people, but rather that they can be made in to good people
GenericNammme
Avg human life 25 yrs for 99% of history, small tribes equals high variance Many people are hardwired to be attracted to young people unftly
PorneliusHubertII
Funny how people will reject science because it makes them feel icky.
awholelotofnothin
Some like the forbidden. (Like public sex or S&M). Some like the moment innocence becomes awareness. But mostly, children are easy victims.
awholelotofnothin
I hope you don't take my explanations of pedophiles' behavior as condoning them. The question was - can you explain them. Yes - you can.
awholelotofnothin
My friend was attacked by a group of middle-schoolers when she was 5. My other friend was raped at 13 because her stepdad saw an opportunity
awholelotofnothin
Both instances were about easy victimization. Adults and teenagers can control every aspect of a child's life to terrorize them. It's easy.
awholelotofnothin
If you think back to the past, there are kids that just disappeared. They never had friends. They were usually isolated. "Dropped out."
ShadowNukePie
My understanding is that it is miswired brain pathways, that identify children as sex objects, not as something to be protected. (1/2)
ShadowNukePie
Then again, I saw that in a documentary on youtube, so I’m not sure how valid that is. (2/2)
leeloumultipass
I think it's just how we're wired. Some people are straight, gay, bi, asexual, attracted to kids, bestiality.... it's sad.
PorneliusHubertII
Some people don't get this argument. If gay isntt a choice then what makes people think pedophilia is.
corbynDallas
People who are into beastiality should get jobs jerking stallions off for their sperm samples. Win-win
Mayonnaiseisainstrument
Not sure why this gets downvotes, it's true. Although today the pedos and not the gays get all the hate, both things won't reproduce.
Snorlax242
Thats not what defines what is acceptable
mokisaur
i wouldn't say it's wide spread, its just something that gets reported more than other crimes. the answer is pretty easy too>>
mokisaur
which is that its sexual deviance - a mental illness. figuring that part out is the challenge.
Dehaka
"i wouldn't say it's wide spread" -> 'Teen' has been among the 3 most searched porn categories since the internet has porn.
iamspartan1262
Republicans like their candidates
ItsRealTalk
Pedophilia is so wide spread and pervasive because it's a mental disorder. The answer to that is miles and miles away.
StubaSceve
What's the leading cause of pedophilia in society? Sexy children
Thneitis
Instinct. Younger girls are more fertile, this better for breeding. This has happened since the beginning of time
mokisaur
more fertile maybe but not yet ready to bear children.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Toddlers though? That argument works for pubescent girls, not for pre-pubescent.
Ryanator50
we're talking about attraction to children and toddlers, not to busty teenagers.
Ringshadow
Younger girls are actually a lot more likely to die in pregnancy due to underdeveloped muscles and organs, soooooo...
sparrowsgirl
5 year olds are rarely fertile.
ShakeDogResurrected
Two types of pedos: 1) Those that never matured and are genuinely attracted to kids. 2) The edgy type that gets off of being scummy.
ChairDeity
It's another example of the residual past of society. Young marriages were a thing just up to some decades ago, due to lifespan.
Killertortilla
The problem is the answer could just be that it's the same % as its always been, there's just more people.
Benzodine
That's some weird shit, when I was 25 I was dating a 18 year that looked like a 16 year old and I had to cut it short. I'll never get pedos
overlordchris666
ZedaZ80
My (now) spouse once tried to prank me by telling me she was going on 17, not 18. I freaked out thinking I was dating somebody almost two
ZedaZ80
years younger than me. We weren't sexually active or anything, I just couldn't imagine being with somebody more than ±1 year from me.
Malguinum
My thoughts: from an evolutionary perspective, 11 yr old girls are disturbingly ready to reproduce. Our ancestors probably fucked kids.(1/2)
Malguinum
But since adults are more suited to looking after newborn, our species grew attracted to adults: like the common preference for bigger tits.
Malguinum
In short: pedophilia may be a remnant of evolution. One day, appreciation for small breasts might even be.
T3NM1DG3TS
Maybe a lack of natural sexual play at a young age? Or possibly it’s natural and most suppress it because of societal expectations?
StonesOnTheHill
Maybe if it was easier to get psychiatric help? I mean, before they did something.
MrHaynies
I have a theory that it's because of when we begin developing and having sex, we are young, I'm in high school and I know of girls that 1/2
ZebraCrossing
This is what I have always believed.
ponzu
I’d argue psychological difference between finding peers attractive and only getting a hardon for minors that you can dominate
PedestrianElectrobastard
That's a weird assumption to make. The average man can dominate the average woman with little effort.
Lokistone
you know attraction isnt about dominance right?
ponzu
thats the point i was trying to make, that there's a distinction between healthy attraction and only being aroused by dominating/hurting ppl
BronzeLeaguePro
Yeah, but look. When you're in HS, 16 year old girls are hot. I'm way older than that, and to me they're not hot at all. They look like kids
BronzeLeaguePro
As you get older you're not going to find HS girls hot anymore. An adult woman in a school uniform is still hot though. Don't know why.
CactusFantastic0
I can’t believe I’m saying this on a site like this. I’ve always thought that if homosexuality can be “nature” than so can pedophilia.
Showmeyourotters
I think that's a fair assessment. Maybe fucked up of nature, but still.
Lokistone
thats because it is, of all the sexual attractions only 3 are illegal, Pedophilia, necrophila and beastiality
WellExcuuuuuseMePrincess
Incest?
jimicus
Necrophilia and bestiality I can understand, even if you are flogging a dead horse.
Keairan
Actually, that last one is legal in some places. Florida, for instance. Thanks radio show for that awkward info.
MrHaynies
And that's fair. I honestly believe it's a good many things. Nature/nurture/ones own experience/a host of other things.
CactusFantastic0
I’ve also heard pedophilia comes from a traumatic sexual experience in youth, locking their sexual growth and maturity at a young age.
Lokistone
whats true for one isn't true for another.
hypogi
When I was 14 I liked pizza, I’m much older now but I still like pizza.
MrHaynies
Betcha don't eat baby food anymore.
IchitheKira
thank goodness that pizzaphilia isn't a crime
MrHaynies
Been putting out since middle school. Which means sex is happening Atleast here. From Around age 14ish we also 2/3
MrHaynies
Find peers attractive. And I think the wires get crossed and they never "grow out" of finding them attractive. 3/4
lespritdelescargot
I read an article from a self-confessed paedo and he said that this is exactly what happened.
Jimmygarn
This. I find that many people never progress significantly emotionally past the pre-/pubescent age.
IGoTooFar
And mentally.
MrHaynies
Again. I have no proof for this. Just something I think is plausible.
hblb229
Then it would be equally prevalent in men and women. And I don't think that's the case.
NebulousDream
Yeah, thats my theory on it as well. Stunted mental growth at sexual maturity.
curmudgeon91
I believe you're close. I also think it's a "do unto others what has been done to you" mentality. A lot of molesters were molested, so the
Wolvenlight
You aren't too far off. Pedophilia (offenders & non-offenders alike) does have something to do with underdeveloped gray matter in the brain.
VigorousButtstuff
It's got some merit. A lot of paraphilias are set in place during the sexual formative years.
jimmyjohnjonesjunior
this.... actually makes sense wow good job man
MrHaynies
I tried to get back to as many people as I could. With my limited time. If I missed ya. And ya said something interesting, I'm sorry.
humblegrumblebee
I remember reading somewhere that a lot of pedos have an unhealthy fixation on innocence and "purity", but i have no source for that
JoJotarot
I know there are many lolicons that do
mintyfreshismygod
Religion, that's the source for the "purity" thing.
JessieJanson
seems to be the case, though i think its more of a fetish(preference?) then anything, ie. they like kids because of how they look.
BryerScott
you're close. The signals for paternal/nurturing and sexual get crossed. where most would feel protective or parental love, they feel sexual
ABluntForce
9) It's not like these individuals' fight-or-flight reflexes are overriding their common sense or decency, if they have any at all.
ABluntForce
5) In which case, the individual would have to have some sort of disorder, or low morals, to allow that to fully direct their actions.
ABluntForce
13) the scope of the incident, and whatever else happened to be on their minds at the time. People make decisions dynamically.
ABluntForce
10) On some level, a pedophile is either consciously directing their actions, or is too neurologically dysfunctional to do so.
ABluntForce
7) But don't dumb it down to a simple matter like "signals getting crossed", if you're talking about a human being's agency.
ABluntForce
4) This, you would likely say, is the equivalent of muscle memory kicking in and overriding conscious decision-making.
ABluntForce
6) So. We can blame society, for facilitating or applying conditioning to offenders, or we can blame *them*, or both, *and* instinct.
ABluntForce
2) Not to mention that, for sane people, desire rather than instinct is the driving force or motive. Which is rooted in the conscious.
ABluntForce
8) After all, *whatever* it is that leads to the formation and maintenance of that attraction, is only *part* of the equation.
ABluntForce
3) When you talk about signals, seem to refer to something in-between - a conditioned reflex with *some* subliminal triggers.
ABluntForce
12) Otherwise, rather than motive, the best you can do, with regard to "why", is a limited cause and effect analysis ranging no farther than
ABluntForce
I think you mean parental and not paternal, but whatever the case, this is vastly oversimplifying emotions, attachment, and attraction.
ABluntForce
11) And as for "why", that doesn't really matter. Unless you want to socially engineer pedophilia out of the population, that is.
senorsamuel
This is incredibly well thought out, I’ve heard of this before, it may very well be what causes that initial spark. I for one think they 1/2
senorsamuel
Should be sent to get mental help. They can be helped with their feelings and be shown outlets that do not involve breaking the law.
sweetnaivety
I never wanted to think about it much, but I always thought it had to do with the whole "virginity" and "tightness" think some men prefer..
FullMetalBitch
Loss of “tightness” is more or less a myth, the vagina is a muscle not a piece of elastic that wears out, especially if you’re exercising
knifeskills
I read their brains turn what most people feel as maternal/paternal instinct, into sexual attraction. Instead of protecting kids they prey
donkeymoney
Glad it is being studied, hope they can cure people some day.
Showmeyourotters
I agree with this a lot. I didn't start finding guys attractive until I was about 15/16 and now at 23, 15/16yo guys still often look
Showmeyourotters
like just attractive young adults. I could see where if you started noticing ppl sexually at 13 or younger you might not grow out of it.
Nigbac
As someone older than you, I personally have to disagree and found that I definitely did “grow out” of it, and I think most healthy adult1/2
Nigbac
2/2 men do.
Ginkawa
the "cult of youth" thing going on in the west is probably not helpful. distinguishing between Pedo- and Hebo- philias makes sense too.
Ginkawa
I mean, finding 15 year olds with developed features extremely sexy is not really historically or biologically out of place.
Mayonnaiseisainstrument
I also find 15y olds attractive, it's a teen and not a child in my eyes and it's only 4 years difference anyway.
Ginkawa
people lose track of the fact that for most of human history, a 15 year old girl was basically equivalent to a 25 year old now, socially.
OptimusPantry
Stupid sexy children
GnomeDeGuerre
Is it that widespread? Other than that, perhaps the Madonna / whore thing mixed with the youth fixation forces a focus onto children?
Dehaka
Regarding how widespread it is: Ever wondered about the "Teen" category in porn? And how they have to stress that all girls are totally +18?
dietderpsy
Because the real horror story is that monsters exist in real life and they look just like us.
Santooth
Mostly biology clashing with social and intellectual standards, I'd say
CapsLochNess
Unpopular opinion is similar to that tedx that was incredibly polarizing: pedophiles are treated like sex offenders before they make 1/x
CapsLochNess
An offense, and there are few helplines to help people improve from their condition 2/x
CapsLochNess
Similar to drug epidemics throughout the years 3/3
Lamplord
You say "our society" but it happens all around the globe. Its something innately wrong with some humans, that somehow happens all around.
Imalwaysready
Ask if it's more widespread & pervasive than any point in history. I suspect we're seeing an uncovering of what's always been, not an uptick
SquirrelGripper
I'm not advocating, I think it's disgusting, but it's probably no more prevalent than it has been in centuries past. It's just more visible.
thisguy79
If you really read your history you will see that this is not a new issue. That doesn't make it any better, just gives some perspective.
poyayyomyflavo
I blame all the sexy kids
AbsolutelyNotADragon
Rip the comments.
Iplaydumbcauseijustdontafk
gotta tell .. what you think the answer is mate ...
fluffyymonkeyy110
people feel like if they aren't doing it directly but watching from the window that's it's ok.
SeeTheNumbersTasteTheViolence
Stop being a pedophobe! We're people too ya know!
1414145691
simple, if someone fucks a kid - kill them... the evolutionary pressure will eventually result in nobody who fucks kids being born
Andalite
Because people are sick? Idk what, if anything, you're trying to imply but there's really no better answer
Bukkhockey
Because nature won't STFU about making babies with girls who are physically able to conceive. Luckily society has made it illegal.
Usernamerarelyrelevant
We live in a society of porn addicts and you wonder why pedophilia is so wide spread....
Strasburg6592
I have a porn collection rivaling any thousand people. Teen erotica repulses me. So yeah, WRONG. Porn doesn't cause pedophiles.
MrTay
I don’t know if it’s wide spread and pervasive... there are billions of people in the world. I just think it’s so terrible it feels likethat
sspeckerss
I'd imagine it's more like only on the dark web are child pornography websites permitted to exist therefore that is where they all are.
Nigbac
Plastic. Lmao, but seriously, modern liberal western society celebrates sexual deviency in most forms. Perversion is perversion and one 1/2
Nigbac
2/2 thing leads to the next. It seems to me that both extreme prudeness and acceptance of sexual deviancy lead to similar problems.
leeloumultipass
I volunteered at a crisis/suicide hotline and I heard about 1 man who called regularly. Nice guy. Hated that he was attracted to kids 1/n
leeloumultipass
He never acted on his desires, shut down bad thoughts immediately.Was depressed, knew it was 100% wrong, truly wanted to change somehow. 2/n
leeloumultipass
Was so sad about his vile attraction that he tried to commit suicide by train, hotline staff called police. Changed my opinion entirely. 3/n
leeloumultipass
I'm not saying "it's how they naturally are, so what" because that doesn't make it right. But I think they're wired differently.
ShakeDogResurrected
I guarantee you he was lying when he said he never acted on it.
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Toronto Distress Center
PorneliusHubertII
Maybe because biologically speaking humans are designed to mate in tfheir early teens but society has decided that they aren't mentally
JudgeMentalCat
We did *not* evolve to mate in our early teens, having a kid in your teen years is dangerous as fuck. 20s has always been more common
JudgeMentalCat
The popular myth is that child brides were common in feudal Europe- they weren't really, and the only good examples are among the rich
JudgeMentalCat
and powerful- ie people who get away with weird shit by being powerful. Henry the Eighth's largest age difference was 20 some-odd years
JudgeMentalCat
between him and his *adult* wife, and it still creeped people the fuck out at the time.
HydrochloricKitten
You would find support in the research of Ray Blanchard, et al, on Paraphilias. Or see hebephilia, if you want a quick-and-dirty rundown.
PorneliusHubertII
Developed enough to great life and care for it.
Imightbetrolling
Pretty much nailed it.
CarolMcAlister
Explain raping babies in a crib then?
PorneliusHubertII
Some people are sick fucks.
HydrochloricKitten
You'd first have to remove the immediate and dehumanizing hatred for anyone with pedophilia so they might come forward to be studied.
LizardEnterprises
Because human sexuality is complicated and like with any complex system, sometimes something goes wrong. It's not new.
johnnykilobit
Maybe we should stop lettin 14year olds pose for bikini ads?
sarabearr
Pedophilia has always been a thing. Way before the internet.
MoreAshyThanLarry
And cue the amateur psychologists...
ForeskinEater69
They took psych 101 dude they know stuff, right?
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
While that's certainly an issue, I don't think people seeing pictures of post-pubescent teens is making them want to have sex with /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
pre-pubescent children. People have sex with, like, babies and toddlers and shit. It's fucked. Pictures of 14-year-olds in magazines are /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
not causing that. /3
jad32718
I agree
Ginkawa
I think it would be fair to distinguish between developed but not age-of-consent, and prepubescent children more. but thats too
SometimesImReady
When I was living in Chicago, I met a lot of 13-15 yr old girls that were developed more than others and would dress like adults. It can foo
SometimesImReady
*fool a lot of people and they're very aware that men look at them as adults because they're trying to look that way. I'm female, and I feel
Ticketingzero
The summer when I was 19 I almost messed around with a girl who I later found out was 14 or 15. She could've passed for a senior in HS. 1/2
Ticketingzero
Seriously almost ruined my life and my chances of medical school. She didn't bother to tell me either. 2/2
ItsNotASchoonerItsASailboat
Pedophilia specifically means you're attracted to girls/boys that don't look developed. That's what makes it fucking gross and weird
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Right. Ephebophilia is being attracted to post-pubescent but still underage teens. They're both awful, but peophilia is way grosser.
SometimesImReady
That minors shouldn't be dressing like adults even if they can pull it off.
wellthatsenoughinternetfortoday
Not trying to be smart but surely a child who looks/dressed like an adult wouldnt interest someone who is attracted to the image of a child.
IamJustinSane
That doesn’t really explain the last 10,000 years of pedophilia. Not a lot of ads in 500 BC.
ZarabethLanger
Maybe we should not blame the victims and figure out why the perpetrators are doing what they are doing and find a way to stop them.
lostnortherner
Or y'know, we could stop putting the impetus on children and start teaching people not to rape and molest children.
llrgrlnd
Yes! Thank you
Strasburg6592
14 year olds can pose all day for bikini ads. I still don't get turned on by or look for such things. Making them stop won't end pedophilia.
DeputySheriffMcLawDog
This. It would require a cultural shift that would absolutely wreck how models, actresses, pop stars, and dancers are creepily "groomed."
WorkerLurker
Zoey Spears...
Skulties1
I gotta say, as I approach 40 there are A LOT of sexy ass 40 year olds. But I'm married...
Comet260
I'm 30 and I likes me some older womens.
JunWasHere
Never seen that as a gif before. Thank you.
Comet260
Like Millie Bobby Brown or whatever her name is. She was wearing so much makeup I thought she was 24. Nope! 13! WTF!
Bellamortis
ISAIDGIT
What...?
MadLucy
I guess? But her facial features and bone structure scream young.
Upvooote
I think part of the process of makeup is altering the facial structures, like contouring and such. Different styles give different age looks
altfiction
There's a good documentary called are all men pedophiles. Pretty enlightening.
llrgrlnd
Maybe we should stop blaming the kids and start blaming the accused and holding them accountable for their actions.
zykelator
How would that change anything? Muslim countries have none of that yet they still rape their child wifes.
TheBIFFALLO87
Although I agree, girls were married and poppin babies out by 13 since forever.
sweetnaivety
I think there's a bit of a difference between pre- and post-pubescent attraction..
lostnortherner
Not usually by choice.
Sooper88
I don't think that's what makes someone a pedo. I think it is a mental illness that has other root causes.
Jillymaree76
A 14 year old who's sexually developed isn't the same thing as a toddler.
IGoInCanadaDry
Not the same as an adult either
EnvelopeOfDoom9000
Correct, and yet they weren't arguing with you(r point), and they have 0 points and you have 5, even though you're both right
Jillymaree76
But they look like one. And the definition of adult has changed significantly throughout time. I don't think it's abnormal to find a sexuall
Jillymaree76
Mature person attractive. I find it abnormal to find a child sexually attractive.
deadbeat44x
Advertising is often a direct representation of societal desire. The ads are popular for a reason
FilYouWithMe
That's like trying to explain why some people like being raped, or why some enjoy being beaten half to death. There's no easy answer.
stabbedintheface
But that's not as pervasive. Is it?
tzxAzrael
technically correct, as "far more prevalent" is different than "equally prevalent".
boshbashbish
How would you know it isn’t? You won’t see it in your news feed or any articles about it in the newspapers atm unlike with childporn/abuse.
DeputySheriffMcLawDog
Prevalent in the media? Check. Portrayed in tons of semi-mainstream porn? Check. I'd wager rape fantasies are pervasive.
DeputySheriffMcLawDog
I didn't cover violence, but masochism is strongly represented, if sadism is marginalized to "heavier" communities.
Ryanator50
if they like being raped, is it technically rape then? Just confused about the definition
JessieJanson
its about loss of control. real rape has uncertainty that could result in death and disease. 'fake rape' is the closest they can get.
JessieJanson
on the flip side you have those that like to take control/do what they want. so those pairs do well together.
Ryanator50
ah like BDSM?
DarkZalgo
Actually there is a pretty easy answer. At least according to my college professors, women are biologically ready for childbirth at around
lespritdelescargot
That is a gross oversimplification which uses the same logic as 'Africans are closer to monkeys'.
Iplaydumbcauseijustdontafk
its true .. even 300 year age .. average daeth was 35
Iplaydumbcauseijustdontafk
downed you cause we have moved forward on the timeline and youth need innocents as long as possible
ArchAzazel
I heard that the average age at 35 is mostly because of so many child deaths. Odds are if you survive being a kid you'll live longer than 50
DarkZalgo
14 or so. It's really just modern society that frowns upon it, because at that age you cannot be mentally ready yo make your own decisions.
Koshunae
I would say that the ability to concieve a child =/= biologically ready. Childbirth, especially in early/mid teens often have-
ForeskinEater69
Biologically ready literally means the ability to do a certain thing. It's just that biology taught us the draw backs of pregnancy at
Koshunae
Complications. If it wasnt for modern medical practice, the rate of death among teenage mothers would be much higher.
itsybitsyspider
And the fact there’s no need to do that anymore at that age like in “olden times”
DarkZalgo
Exactly. There's no need to pump out as many babies as possible as fast as possible.
Hrondir
Shit son, I know a few 32 y/o's who aren't mentally ready to make their own decisions.
SiameseTool
Bill Hicks, is that you bruh?
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
I know, I am one.
Iplaydumbcauseijustdontafk
the answer is all found by listening
tzxAzrael
which is a neat idea, except you aren't allowed to ask the questions. because it's so bad that even talking about it deserves a beating.
tzxAzrael
people are extremely opposed to -anything- related to pedophilia, often to a point of complete unreasonability.
Rifneno
It's a genetic defect, plain and simple. That's why it's impossible to treat. Sad but true.
Mayonnaiseisainstrument
We only can offer them free therapy which hopefully helps them a bit and stops from doing stupid things.
MLGsamantha
If it were genetic it would be simple to treat.
PorneliusHubertII
It is simple biology. The human body is ready to reproduce when puberty hits. Usually between 11-13 years old. It just isn't the societal
PorneliusHubertII
Norm anymore.
Rifneno
Pedophilia is specifically attraction to PRE-puberty. There's another word for attraction to going through puberty, forget what it is.
Burf2You
TIL there are about 50,000 dark web sites.
CONCERNED101
"Wait till they shut down Kiwifarms!" - RedPillBlack.
OtherPeoplesNamesGetMePoints
I mean it didn't say approximately 20% were taken down. It said over 20% were. For all we know that could be 100% of the sites :P
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circlebreaker
STFU dweeb
jokeinsurance
You must be old if you're saying "dweeb"
sirdorkster
"dweeb" welcome to the 90s, fam.
SeverianBC
Exactly 50,000. No more, no less.
MemedMe
Math checks out.
SirHappi
There were, now there's about 40 000.
MrTay
I think he meant of child pornography it’s on dark web. Dark web isn’t that big but I can’t imagine it being 50,000
s0bere
People forget that the dark web isn't the huge iceberg underwater by which it always represented. The iceberg is the deep web 1/2
RickRollable
Source?
BendyDicksCumOnMyBaps
Also the phrase dark net / deep web is a buzzword in journalism and reporting, it's just the unindexed internet.
RememberTheC4nt
Dark net is the synonym for dark web not deep web and there is a bit more behind dark net/dark web then unindexed internet.
BendyDicksCumOnMyBaps
Yes of course I just tried to give an easy example of what it is.
supercarcentra1
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Burf2You
Always thought about that iceberg - thought the "dark web" was simply unindexed sites, not just Onion accessed ones.
GhostofBillyMays
awesomekev408
I can hear it
s0bere
The deep web is any website to which you don't have access through tools like Google. The dark web is an anonymous peer to peer 2/3
supercarcentra1
..
Jinisho
I think most people use a deep web site at least a few times a week without knowing it
ThisIsTheLastTimeIChangeUsernamesIPromise
You mean like imgur or Facebook?
Jinisho
Alot of forums use a sort of applet to display their content so when you navigate them your not actually changing the url
ChrisWsrn
Imgur is indexed. Facebook is not.
LuciusAelius
Unlikely. Most deep/dark websites are accessed through tor at .onion addresses. Not easy to stumble across. Remember, part of being a 1/2
LuciusAelius
dark website is that you aren't indexed by search engines. You need to have a link beforehand. 2/2
Jinisho
Dark and deep web are not the same thing you can access deep without any specialised software
DragonLordG
So the deep web is getting shallower as Google improves?
nahallacman
Not really. There are multiple protocols on the internet. Http gives us websites like google and imgur. There are other types of internet >
nahallacman
communication that don't use http like email, FTP (File Transfer Protocol), databases, and torrenting.
s0bere
Network which uses a protocol called onion. There are actually much less dark web websites than regular world wide web
samsonguy920
So....gray web websites?
Renkyu
And shit is slower than molasses
albinoALPACA
dot.DarkWebDeepWeb
LP1988
I did not know TheOnion got that much horrendous traffic.
ThePizzaGuyOfJustice
There are more than one dark web protocols. It's not just tor
ThePastmaster
I tried explaining this to my GF but she dismissed it and still thinks the "Dark Web" is a myth and doesn't exist.
FrozenPotato609
Yes "let me know" if you you know what I mean
BeAGrape
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supercarcentra1
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blowingsmokewithkimbo7
It's a .onion site instead of .com.
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MasterPrime
TOR is the communication protocol (like torrent) on which onion routing is used to encapsulate data. TOR operates on the TCP layer.
lhavethePOWER
A protocol called onion? Are you sure you are using correct terms here?
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Cookie1996
Onion is the term used to describe the masking process that keeps users Internet addresses hidden. It does this using layers of encryption
Iplaydumbcauseijustdontafk
what year is it??
Wubbbbladubbadubdub
I think t gets the point across
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aguasdebeber
Good post....... *far fewer
Skulties1
Well now we know. Cool.
Cortezdelanoche
Down the rabbit hole i go!
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SprungLake
What is the truth then?