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JustHereForTheRiots
StevesSegallbladder
If it were that simple it'd be nice.
bvtthole
Guns are stupid.
IDunGoofed
*Distant laughter from the most free country in the world* (It ain't America by the way) inb4 downvotes Suomi prkl
CChowder
Fatpicasso
LMFAO what next? ending poverty? wishful thinking OP
basicwhitelich
Except nazis. Nazis can still fuck right off
RobertLoewen
"freedom" isn't happiness at best it removes one limitation from the pursuit of it
fesssstif
Happiness is subjective, only you can define it and only by being free you can pursue it.
undertheaurora
A lot of other countries have lots of great freedom that doesn't involve guns though. Maybe give that a try one day, maybe for a year.
youshouldbuyarowingmachine
I thought like this once. I was about 13 at the time.
DukeDarkwood
At 39, I still think this. Do I realistically expect it? Not for a while, no. But it's an ideal I still believe in.
TamponShotgun
When the Christians want to ban the gays from getting married, that's where the fighting comes from.
MhuzLord
If only the people who are free to have guns were more responsible with them.
Zellacat
If only the world was a perfect place & no one ever needed a gun to protect themselves or their families.
HeThrustsHisFistsAgainstthePostsandStillInsistsHeSeesYourMom
i mean, more guns in the US than people, but the number of shooting related deaths is barely a blip next to other causes of death
ProjectSatan
yeah, but those same rights are had by all the gangs in chicago. and their shooting rate is just rising.
ApolloAdama
Freedom is like communism, it works in theory. Until someone thinks they are entitled to more freedom than the next person.
leodavinci1
Heh... I think it's pretty much demonstratably more than theory, while communism can be demonstrably shown not to function.
eroso
Political establishment>Corporates>Free market>People and their freedom>Enviroment.. Too bad the system doesn't work in it's favor.
porygon17
Alaska and Hawaii: "well fuck you too"
DittoV
You have the freedom to do what makes you happy until you impose your beliefs on someone else against their will.
A problem arises since many people think that you doing what you want isn't something you should be able to do.
CrazyGuyOnABike
Well yeah, if it involves smoking near me or simultaneously having a gun and not knowing how to use it safely.
AkioKawasaki
So sort of like Europe but with more guns?
Lol no
Sound an awful lot like the Netherlands with the exception of Guns.
netherland is not europe.
Edro20
Oddly the "tolerant" ones seems to have a problem with my firearms. I've never been afoul of the law for any reason
Tweettotheknee
The problem is each of those groups thinks that their freedom is more important than each of the other groups
7Forever7Alone7
Especially those natives trying to stop the pipeline. Just because they live like cavemen doesn't mean we all do.
TheJewelOfJool
Did we suddenly go back to the 1700s?
Or what they think their freedom is.
NormlCouple
CaptainKlaa
why you say that? Obummer spend nearly 70080 hours embarrassing everyone in America.
Obummer. 8 years and you all still couldn't think of anything more clever
IsaacZehPanda
Whenever I see the word obummer I always feel the need to say it out loud
http://imgur.com/CZ7cTEs
SpacemanSpiff0226
I've always liked that quote. No particular reason why, just have. Anyone else?
moderatelyfunny
Always upvote Keith David
Chairtastic
America's also about killing people for their land, but that's not good on promotional art.
Yes, it was horrible how we killed all those Tibetan monks & stole Tibet. Then we invaded the Ukraine & Crimea. We are such Imperialists.
flyingmonsters
I mean that's true for any country. Only difference is the US was founded earlier so it's still fresh in terms of history
That's not so much something we're "about" as it is a thing we did. As flyingmonsters said, it's been done by all the major powers, and
most of the minor ones, too, I'd wager.
Simplyfun
This is the ideal, however the US today seems bent on driving itself into camps and I'm sorry for my US brothers.
It's always been like that. In every country you have it.
We have professional agitators & organizers pushing for a civil war between factions they have inflamed with propaganda over several decades
Yourebothwrong
Boy do we have similar names...
8213641987365983276598265
Not only rednecks have guns.
LordNoodles
But are there rednecks that haven't handled guns?
Probably.
ImguriansFillMySaltReservoir
Depends on how far mangled machinery goes before you consider it a gun.
pravetz
Guns aren't the same as the others.
Neither is weed
DrMooses
The states should really remove "United" from their title.
truckdrivershowcase
We could just turn into 50 separate nations. I'm sure that wouldn't be horribly complicated.
It's pretty close to that now, honestly.
gerby123
Before the US Civil War official documents used "These United States", afterwards they used "The United States".
I blame the Federalists.
Ok
GrilledMelonMan
Pretty close to the line from National Treasure 2, so upvote from me.
busybee
Upvote for knowing your history.
The CSA thought the federal government was growing too powerful, and wanted to preserve states' rights. The USA felt we are stronger as a
3) made an appeal against it to gain an edge. In the end, the Union winning the war made us one nation that happens to be subdivided into
2) whole, and wished to stress the bonds uniting us. As is probably well-known by now, slavery was a minor issue until 1863, when the Union
4) states, rather than an association of States that worked together as a nation. In the long run, I think it was the better choice, but it
5) still lost some things in the process. (end)
Botatious
I talked to a few religious people about why they don't like gay marriage, their response was it says in the bible that marriage is between
TheCouncilofRicks
I bet those ppl don't mind eating shrimp, crab, or lobster though..which the Bible also says is a sin
IComeWithWifi
When gat marriage was legalised in the UK, it didn't even make the front pages of the newspapers.
whathavewehere
Married gats. So hot right now.
A man and a woman, and then they went on further to say that they dont mind them getting some form of a legal contract that makes them
I want to see the bible "source" for that. What do they say when you point out that many leaders in the bible had many wives?
"Together" but call it something other than marriage.
Imo, i could careless personal relationships are just that personal they dont affect me so you do you boo boo
eagerophiuchus
Why does the Bible matter, though? Hindus and Sikhs and Native Americans all have to follow the Bible now? It doesn't make sense.
It matters to voters, so it matters to representatives who want those votes. That's democracy
(Not "why does the Bible matter in the history of human civilization?" Rather, "why does the Bible matter in the context of that comment?")
When people want their ceremony in a church it should matter, if you want it done in a court/ without any sort of priest then i agree
It shouldnt matter
OK... Name a single gay/lesbian couple who forced an unwilling priest to perform a ceremony. (Pretty sure you can't.) Non-issue.
bond100
I mean there was/is a concern within DOD about chaplins being forced to provide services to LGBT folks.
ITalkAboutGoats
Well... the military is different. You tend to give up a lot of rights. Additionally, you'd have to be pretty self loathing to have someone
ArcaneConjecture
Cool story. But who's gonna pay for the highways?
People who use it. It is feasible since the invention of toll road
Gantzz321
14 Trillion dollars spent in the past 30 years on war, spend that money on Americans and not giving it to the heads of war companies
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K4esLPnY5cA/VFwO9PrC6yI/AAAAAAAAQBw/T2zqchGqkH8/w245-h162/tumblr_my6nyfSIK21qclw72o2_250.gif
Hahahaha overpaid union workers who don't really work on a scheudle
DeviousSaint
The state you live in
eion85
California relies on good roads from there to say, New York, to ship their produce. Classic interstate commerce clause application.
HalifaxSamuels
I thought interstate highways got federal funding, though. There's one in my state that's 10 miles long and doesn't exit our state.
Where will they get the money?
Taxes
But the Christians aren't satisfied with just being Christians. Everyone has to be Christian. Therein lies the rub.
lol wtf are you even talking about
Non-Christians have to abide by the Bible. Look at the majority of US states for examples. Constitutional amendments based on Bible text...
The post implies everyone is doing their own thing. "Let Christians be Christians" is certainly not the way evangelical politicians see it.
I think you have them confused with Islam whose leader requires members to fight until it is the ONLY religion on earth. Source, Quran
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/bible-verse-homosexuals-heard-house-gop-prior-vote
Your head is in the sand. Look at Mike Pence, Mike Huckabee, Rick Allen, Chuck Grassley, and the upcoming Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
I have never heard them advocating the extermination of anyone. Sources please.
a) Already gave you a source and you ignored it. b) Congressmen - *inside* the chambers of Congress! - prayed to thank the Orlando shooter.
c) Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, & Alabama still put gay/lesbians on the sex offender registry. Non-Christians have to follow the Bible.
HUFLPUF
Easier said than done because "freedom" is a moving target. What I see as freedom, someone else has a problem with.
hookerbot5000
it's pretty straight forward actually. freedom to do/believe what you want as long as you don't hurt anyone. NOT imposing your belief others
Ah,but if you have a gun you can go freedom hunting.Im not sure when the season runs though.
MechAnon
That's fine. They're free to have a problem with "it." But you're still free to do / be / have "it."
Judge647Fudge
Absolute freedom is an incredibly easy concept to understand. Some people are just ok with restricting other's freedom.
NitroHeist
I go with the simple definition of liberty. Do whatever you want, only up to the point that it infringes on my right to do whatever I want
BlackHartMTB
Republican = economic freedom democrat = personal freedom I know this is really a huge generalization
LOL, yeah... a possible oversimplification.
lhug
no freedom is complete without the freedom to bear the consequences.
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
*consequence bear*
Excellent xD
SirSkellingtonBonerLord
Freedom to hear yes when they say no... :(
Knilore
As long as your friendly, I guess it's fine...
SirRaime
Freedom until you cut someone else's. It's actually quite simple.
exception situations, 1st trimester I don't have a problem with, 2nd trimester I'm unsure about but open to discussion on. That's just (2)
Until someone says they should be "free to live in a world without guns / religion / homosexuality." Bad interpretation of "freedom" is bad.
JackCoughlin
"I should be free to live in a world where you don't have freedoms" Wow that was a hard argument to dissect and see the flaws in
My opinion. Making the laws fit my opinion of how it should work would probably feel to someone like their freedom is being shat on (3)
Feel free to tell me I'm wrong with this logic. I needz coffee still lol (4)
deranger
Does my freedom to pollute trump your freedom to environmental resources for generations to come?
atomicpineapples
No.
Again, it's simple but not at the same time. A simple example: I think 3rd trimester abortions should be illegal except for the obvious (1)
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Congrats, pretty much everyone and the law agree with you.
IcanttiemyshoesbutIcanfuckyourbitch
The argument with the term for abortion is when that fetus becomes "someone else" whose freedom you impinge upon.
ByThePowerofCommonSense
I feel it is more if they can survive outside of their host then it is now considered a living thing and not a parasite
HD226868
Probably when they become conscious. Which according to the mirror test is like... a few months after birth. I don't like thinking about it.
The inherent problem is that rights cannot be recognized without impinging/infringing on those of the mother. 1 of 2
That's the philosophical underpinning of slavery... that some have rights at the expense go others. Anti-abortion = advocating slavery.
RedBeardedTrucker
Third trimesters(in the US 43 states illegal) is practically illegal. Currently there are only 5 clinics and 4 doctors that perform 1/
3rd trimester abortions, most of which were wanted pregnancies, only done in emergency's. Just a little over 1 percent of U.S. abortions 2/
take place at any point after around five months (20 weeks) of pregnancy. The 3rd trimester starts at week 28. 3/3
JustHereForTheRiots
StevesSegallbladder
If it were that simple it'd be nice.
bvtthole
Guns are stupid.
IDunGoofed
*Distant laughter from the most free country in the world* (It ain't America by the way) inb4 downvotes Suomi prkl
CChowder
Fatpicasso
LMFAO what next? ending poverty? wishful thinking OP
basicwhitelich
Except nazis. Nazis can still fuck right off
RobertLoewen
"freedom" isn't happiness at best it removes one limitation from the pursuit of it
fesssstif
Happiness is subjective, only you can define it and only by being free you can pursue it.
undertheaurora
A lot of other countries have lots of great freedom that doesn't involve guns though. Maybe give that a try one day, maybe for a year.
youshouldbuyarowingmachine
I thought like this once. I was about 13 at the time.
DukeDarkwood
At 39, I still think this. Do I realistically expect it? Not for a while, no. But it's an ideal I still believe in.
TamponShotgun
When the Christians want to ban the gays from getting married, that's where the fighting comes from.
MhuzLord
If only the people who are free to have guns were more responsible with them.
Zellacat
If only the world was a perfect place & no one ever needed a gun to protect themselves or their families.
HeThrustsHisFistsAgainstthePostsandStillInsistsHeSeesYourMom
i mean, more guns in the US than people, but the number of shooting related deaths is barely a blip next to other causes of death
ProjectSatan
yeah, but those same rights are had by all the gangs in chicago. and their shooting rate is just rising.
ApolloAdama
Freedom is like communism, it works in theory. Until someone thinks they are entitled to more freedom than the next person.
leodavinci1
Heh... I think it's pretty much demonstratably more than theory, while communism can be demonstrably shown not to function.
eroso
Political establishment>Corporates>Free market>People and their freedom>Enviroment.. Too bad the system doesn't work in it's favor.
porygon17
Alaska and Hawaii: "well fuck you too"
DittoV
You have the freedom to do what makes you happy until you impose your beliefs on someone else against their will.
leodavinci1
A problem arises since many people think that you doing what you want isn't something you should be able to do.
CrazyGuyOnABike
Well yeah, if it involves smoking near me or simultaneously having a gun and not knowing how to use it safely.
AkioKawasaki
So sort of like Europe but with more guns?
fesssstif
Lol no
AkioKawasaki
Sound an awful lot like the Netherlands with the exception of Guns.
fesssstif
netherland is not europe.
Edro20
Oddly the "tolerant" ones seems to have a problem with my firearms. I've never been afoul of the law for any reason
Tweettotheknee
The problem is each of those groups thinks that their freedom is more important than each of the other groups
7Forever7Alone7
Especially those natives trying to stop the pipeline. Just because they live like cavemen doesn't mean we all do.
TheJewelOfJool
Did we suddenly go back to the 1700s?
fesssstif
Or what they think their freedom is.
NormlCouple
CaptainKlaa
why you say that? Obummer spend nearly 70080 hours embarrassing everyone in America.
HeThrustsHisFistsAgainstthePostsandStillInsistsHeSeesYourMom
Obummer. 8 years and you all still couldn't think of anything more clever
IsaacZehPanda
Whenever I see the word obummer I always feel the need to say it out loud
HeThrustsHisFistsAgainstthePostsandStillInsistsHeSeesYourMom
http://imgur.com/CZ7cTEs
SpacemanSpiff0226
I've always liked that quote. No particular reason why, just have. Anyone else?
moderatelyfunny
Always upvote Keith David
Chairtastic
America's also about killing people for their land, but that's not good on promotional art.
Zellacat
Yes, it was horrible how we killed all those Tibetan monks & stole Tibet. Then we invaded the Ukraine & Crimea. We are such Imperialists.
flyingmonsters
I mean that's true for any country. Only difference is the US was founded earlier so it's still fresh in terms of history
DukeDarkwood
That's not so much something we're "about" as it is a thing we did. As flyingmonsters said, it's been done by all the major powers, and
DukeDarkwood
most of the minor ones, too, I'd wager.
Simplyfun
This is the ideal, however the US today seems bent on driving itself into camps and I'm sorry for my US brothers.
flyingmonsters
It's always been like that. In every country you have it.
Zellacat
We have professional agitators & organizers pushing for a civil war between factions they have inflamed with propaganda over several decades
Yourebothwrong
Boy do we have similar names...
8213641987365983276598265
Not only rednecks have guns.
LordNoodles
But are there rednecks that haven't handled guns?
8213641987365983276598265
Probably.
ImguriansFillMySaltReservoir
Depends on how far mangled machinery goes before you consider it a gun.
pravetz
Guns aren't the same as the others.
LordNoodles
Neither is weed
DrMooses
The states should really remove "United" from their title.
truckdrivershowcase
We could just turn into 50 separate nations. I'm sure that wouldn't be horribly complicated.
DrMooses
It's pretty close to that now, honestly.
gerby123
Before the US Civil War official documents used "These United States", afterwards they used "The United States".
leodavinci1
I blame the Federalists.
DrMooses
Ok
GrilledMelonMan
Pretty close to the line from National Treasure 2, so upvote from me.
busybee
Upvote for knowing your history.
DukeDarkwood
The CSA thought the federal government was growing too powerful, and wanted to preserve states' rights. The USA felt we are stronger as a
DukeDarkwood
3) made an appeal against it to gain an edge. In the end, the Union winning the war made us one nation that happens to be subdivided into
DukeDarkwood
2) whole, and wished to stress the bonds uniting us. As is probably well-known by now, slavery was a minor issue until 1863, when the Union
DukeDarkwood
4) states, rather than an association of States that worked together as a nation. In the long run, I think it was the better choice, but it
DukeDarkwood
5) still lost some things in the process. (end)
GrilledMelonMan
Pretty close to the line from National Treasure 2, so upvote from me.
Botatious
I talked to a few religious people about why they don't like gay marriage, their response was it says in the bible that marriage is between
TheCouncilofRicks
I bet those ppl don't mind eating shrimp, crab, or lobster though..which the Bible also says is a sin
IComeWithWifi
When gat marriage was legalised in the UK, it didn't even make the front pages of the newspapers.
whathavewehere
Married gats. So hot right now.
Botatious
A man and a woman, and then they went on further to say that they dont mind them getting some form of a legal contract that makes them
leodavinci1
I want to see the bible "source" for that. What do they say when you point out that many leaders in the bible had many wives?
Botatious
"Together" but call it something other than marriage.
Botatious
Imo, i could careless personal relationships are just that personal they dont affect me so you do you boo boo
eagerophiuchus
Why does the Bible matter, though? Hindus and Sikhs and Native Americans all have to follow the Bible now? It doesn't make sense.
HeThrustsHisFistsAgainstthePostsandStillInsistsHeSeesYourMom
It matters to voters, so it matters to representatives who want those votes. That's democracy
eagerophiuchus
(Not "why does the Bible matter in the history of human civilization?" Rather, "why does the Bible matter in the context of that comment?")
Botatious
When people want their ceremony in a church it should matter, if you want it done in a court/ without any sort of priest then i agree
Botatious
It shouldnt matter
eagerophiuchus
OK... Name a single gay/lesbian couple who forced an unwilling priest to perform a ceremony. (Pretty sure you can't.) Non-issue.
bond100
I mean there was/is a concern within DOD about chaplins being forced to provide services to LGBT folks.
ITalkAboutGoats
Well... the military is different. You tend to give up a lot of rights. Additionally, you'd have to be pretty self loathing to have someone
ArcaneConjecture
Cool story. But who's gonna pay for the highways?
fesssstif
People who use it. It is feasible since the invention of toll road
Gantzz321
14 Trillion dollars spent in the past 30 years on war, spend that money on Americans and not giving it to the heads of war companies
HeThrustsHisFistsAgainstthePostsandStillInsistsHeSeesYourMom
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K4esLPnY5cA/VFwO9PrC6yI/AAAAAAAAQBw/T2zqchGqkH8/w245-h162/tumblr_my6nyfSIK21qclw72o2_250.gif
LordNoodles
Hahahaha overpaid union workers who don't really work on a scheudle
DeviousSaint
The state you live in
eion85
California relies on good roads from there to say, New York, to ship their produce. Classic interstate commerce clause application.
HalifaxSamuels
I thought interstate highways got federal funding, though. There's one in my state that's 10 miles long and doesn't exit our state.
ArcaneConjecture
Where will they get the money?
DeviousSaint
Taxes
eagerophiuchus
But the Christians aren't satisfied with just being Christians. Everyone has to be Christian. Therein lies the rub.
IsaacZehPanda
lol wtf are you even talking about
eagerophiuchus
Non-Christians have to abide by the Bible. Look at the majority of US states for examples. Constitutional amendments based on Bible text...
eagerophiuchus
The post implies everyone is doing their own thing. "Let Christians be Christians" is certainly not the way evangelical politicians see it.
Zellacat
I think you have them confused with Islam whose leader requires members to fight until it is the ONLY religion on earth. Source, Quran
eagerophiuchus
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/bible-verse-homosexuals-heard-house-gop-prior-vote
eagerophiuchus
Your head is in the sand. Look at Mike Pence, Mike Huckabee, Rick Allen, Chuck Grassley, and the upcoming Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
Zellacat
I have never heard them advocating the extermination of anyone. Sources please.
eagerophiuchus
a) Already gave you a source and you ignored it. b) Congressmen - *inside* the chambers of Congress! - prayed to thank the Orlando shooter.
eagerophiuchus
c) Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, & Alabama still put gay/lesbians on the sex offender registry. Non-Christians have to follow the Bible.
HUFLPUF
Easier said than done because "freedom" is a moving target. What I see as freedom, someone else has a problem with.
hookerbot5000
it's pretty straight forward actually. freedom to do/believe what you want as long as you don't hurt anyone. NOT imposing your belief others
youshouldbuyarowingmachine
Ah,but if you have a gun you can go freedom hunting.Im not sure when the season runs though.
MechAnon
That's fine. They're free to have a problem with "it." But you're still free to do / be / have "it."
Judge647Fudge
Absolute freedom is an incredibly easy concept to understand. Some people are just ok with restricting other's freedom.
NitroHeist
I go with the simple definition of liberty. Do whatever you want, only up to the point that it infringes on my right to do whatever I want
BlackHartMTB
Republican = economic freedom democrat = personal freedom I know this is really a huge generalization
HUFLPUF
LOL, yeah... a possible oversimplification.
lhug
no freedom is complete without the freedom to bear the consequences.
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
*consequence bear*
fesssstif
Excellent xD
SirSkellingtonBonerLord
Freedom to hear yes when they say no... :(
Knilore
As long as your friendly, I guess it's fine...
SirRaime
Freedom until you cut someone else's. It's actually quite simple.
HUFLPUF
exception situations, 1st trimester I don't have a problem with, 2nd trimester I'm unsure about but open to discussion on. That's just (2)
MechAnon
Until someone says they should be "free to live in a world without guns / religion / homosexuality." Bad interpretation of "freedom" is bad.
JackCoughlin
"I should be free to live in a world where you don't have freedoms" Wow that was a hard argument to dissect and see the flaws in
HUFLPUF
My opinion. Making the laws fit my opinion of how it should work would probably feel to someone like their freedom is being shat on (3)
HUFLPUF
Feel free to tell me I'm wrong with this logic. I needz coffee still lol (4)
deranger
Does my freedom to pollute trump your freedom to environmental resources for generations to come?
atomicpineapples
No.
atomicpineapples
No.
HUFLPUF
Again, it's simple but not at the same time. A simple example: I think 3rd trimester abortions should be illegal except for the obvious (1)
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Congrats, pretty much everyone and the law agree with you.
IcanttiemyshoesbutIcanfuckyourbitch
The argument with the term for abortion is when that fetus becomes "someone else" whose freedom you impinge upon.
ByThePowerofCommonSense
I feel it is more if they can survive outside of their host then it is now considered a living thing and not a parasite
HD226868
Probably when they become conscious. Which according to the mirror test is like... a few months after birth. I don't like thinking about it.
leodavinci1
The inherent problem is that rights cannot be recognized without impinging/infringing on those of the mother. 1 of 2
leodavinci1
That's the philosophical underpinning of slavery... that some have rights at the expense go others. Anti-abortion = advocating slavery.
RedBeardedTrucker
Third trimesters(in the US 43 states illegal) is practically illegal. Currently there are only 5 clinics and 4 doctors that perform 1/
RedBeardedTrucker
3rd trimester abortions, most of which were wanted pregnancies, only done in emergency's. Just a little over 1 percent of U.S. abortions 2/
RedBeardedTrucker
take place at any point after around five months (20 weeks) of pregnancy. The 3rd trimester starts at week 28. 3/3