Boomer here. No apologies. No Boot straps. Some of you will make it big; most won’t. Just like us. Got to stay in the game to win it. Whining about it just makes you a whiner.
Afted being birthed by a generation that selfishly allowed school shootings to happen instead if enacting gun control, how do any of not feel constant betrayal be this generation? They have ruined the planet that we have to exist in and suffer long after they are gone.
Its time for 4B and childfree. We don't have to be as selfish as them to create lives just so they can suffer like we do.
He still has a point. Moving somewhere else to make a better living is a time honored tradition. Heck, my mom moved countries (most of her family did) for much better paying jobs and opportunities. More housing is a definite yes that is needed, but proactively improving life conditions is also a thing.
It's never "all" of any group. I cannot f'ing stand the opinions of damn near every boomer I meet but I rarely ever see anything remotely like, "at least it isn't all of them". The ones who smoked pot and went to Yes concerts in the 70's would do anything for anyone. I'm spitting into the wind here but I'll only say it once.
“Character building”. I feel your pain. My own boomer father is the same. It’s a misconception that they suffered cos coffee shops, internet, etc didn’t exist when they were growing up so they must have had a harder life. They didn’t. They had an easier life. Less stressful, Slower and cheaper. Not so many billionaires in the world trying to get every spare penny you have, if any.
Cheaper is definitely key word here. My father went off on me when I was in college that I don't just "take the train and explore different cities or go to the mountains like he did when he was my age" but then I showed him train and hotel prices. He never mentioned it to me again. Boomer generation lives in a fantasy.
yeah I'm early Gen X so I got some of the goodies the boomers got. California's UC system was dirt-cheap in the 70s and in the 80s they only raised tuition to match inflation. But when the 90s budget shortages hit, they took it out of UC subsidies.
In the 80s I was able to get my UC education by working 30-40 hours in the summer, making $7 or so, plus 20 hrs/week during school, to cover rent & food. I had a simple life; somewhat poor, but glorious.
My mother and I went to the same college. She went for a year longer than I did. She found one of her original loan statements when we went to move and we adjusted for inflation. She still can't comprehend why I can manage to pay off 130 times her tuition in double the time
I am retired, and yes i have Medicare. but I remember paying into it every paycheck, that tax for medicare. I also paid into my health insurance, and then a big chunk of an annuity which still covers the rest of medical bills. I also paid into Social Security for the 50 years I worked. It's billionaires ruining everything, the tax code is truly fucked up. Tax the millionaires and billionaires! I learned about regressive and progressive tax rates in Civics in high school. Don't they teach that?
I have recently had similar conversations with my 77 year old father.
He also tried to force upon me "well you have two business degrees - you're a Capitalist too"... nope I just studied the system, I don't believe in wealth off the broken backs of the workers.
This! Boomers paid into a functioning SS system, if the government greed heads would quit "borrowing" from, it would be solvent much longer. Many boomers neglected to save ANYTHING for retirement, counting on SS.
The hoarding of wealth is the problem. It doesn't matter if it's a billion dollars, a million, or a thousand. If the goal is to take money just because bigger number, then it's a parasitic relationship. The entire concept of 'net worth' and 'growth' is antithetical to a functioning society. It's like rainfall. Rain must be allowed to soak into the ground to renew the aquifers. The system can begrudge a couple people capturing rain water, but eventually it adds up and the aquifer runs dry.
not really. rent-seeking is the problem. In real estate, health care, higher education, and all other life's necessities.
Tim Cook is a billionaire partially thanks to me but I've given every dollar to him willing, and would do so again since I really like the stuff Apple has made since 2011.
Billionaires are Parasites. It is IMPOSSIBLE to earn a billion dollars. You HAVE to steal the labor value of thousands of employees and play the stock market with insider trading. Even Taylor Swift is a parasite because she has the carbon footprint of a small nation by herself. BILLIONAIRES SHOULD NOT EXIST. They should never have had the opportunity to swindle so many people.
Yes and why are they the problem? Because they hoard money and pretend they don't owe anybody anything, as if they are not part of society. Now here is the catch: this mentality isn't limited to billionaires, fuck everybody who got it.
not all boomers. I notice a distinct difference in how family is perceived and how compassion is manifested among boomers and preB. this seems to me to be along party lines. specifically those voting maga (idk about ole skool GOP since they seem to have disappeared) are lacking in compassion, even for their own children &grandchildren. it's sad that they simply do not see how unloving they are. give thanks to your parents that do support &care for you. I guarantee they're out there for some ppl
and if you are one who feels abandoned and unloved by your family of origin, concentrate on the family that you make. Your children, friends, just random humans can be included in your made family. I'm in there too, imgurian. Someday kindness will overpower all this shite. A better day is ahead.
counterpoint: the baby boomers have been paying 12.4% of the wage incomes into social security since 1983, these contributions were intentionally OVERFUNDING SSA by around $1T (the fund has another $1.5T in it now thank to accrued 'interest').
When you hear SSA is going to 'ruin out of money in 2033' that's because the front half of the boomers did their part to make sure there was enough money in the fund to cover their retirements (the median boomer will be 78 in 2033). /1
as for real estate, yes, this is where the previous generation gets you.
My boomer parents in the late 70s had to rent from a silent generation doctor who had bought the house (as an 'investment property') we needed in Salinas, CA.
Pretty sure the primary reason the SSA is "going to run out of money" is billionaires and politicians doing everything in their power to loot it while screaming that the people who actually put that money there in the first place should stop being entitled.
SSA has not been "looted". But it is true that the Bush and Trump tax cuts have pushed the the Federal government's finances into perilous territory. To fix SSA we actually need to raise FICA taxes a little, but this is politically impossible since we are a nation of children.
Maintaining land is called landscaping, and is distinct from owning land, maintaining a property is called being a handyman or maintenance worker. Landscaping is work. Maintenance is work. Owning land is not work. Owning property is not work.
I'm a boomer, and you're blaming the wrong people for your problems. The system was working right for us, but the business/greed types took charge of it and started sucking all the resources up. I fight them almost every day, because you and my kids/grand kids are being screwed. Google up economic charts starting with Reagan.
Nobody is claiming otherwise. The problem is that Boomers, in most Western countries at least, believe that the generations after them are entitled to less and should work harder for it.
Sorrontis
I think it's time for that OP to say: "Hey Dad. Good bye."
DynamoJoeHoHo
Boomer here. No apologies. No Boot straps. Some of you will make it big; most won’t. Just like us. Got to stay in the game to win it. Whining about it just makes you a whiner.
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
FYI Taking a paycut and moving somewhere cheap(er) is a TRAP. Travel still costs as much. You just sentenced yourself to ONLY be there.
JackSmiles2
lmao just get a remote job... bet he voted for the guy who emboldened people to cut remote jobs ..fuking moron
fknbastard
My older brother is a retired cop and makes 20k a month because Santa Clara has the best police pension.
That’s more than three times the money I make teaching and he’s retired.
brainpansonata
Fuck their bootstrap rhetoric. They burned the damn boots once they were done licking them!
wannasee
Afted being birthed by a generation that selfishly allowed school shootings to happen instead if enacting gun control, how do any of not feel constant betrayal be this generation? They have ruined the planet that we have to exist in and suffer long after they are gone.
Its time for 4B and childfree. We don't have to be as selfish as them to create lives just so they can suffer like we do.
DigitalAvatar
My company pays you based on where you live. Go to Alabama, take a 43% pay cut.
Apeofdeath
Older people complain about younger people being stupid and lazy, I think they have that reversed.
Skywatcher16
indeed.
CedricDur
He still has a point. Moving somewhere else to make a better living is a time honored tradition. Heck, my mom moved countries (most of her family did) for much better paying jobs and opportunities. More housing is a definite yes that is needed, but proactively improving life conditions is also a thing.
thatunpleasantfeeling
Kill him and eat him.
Jwhite777
It's never "all" of any group. I cannot f'ing stand the opinions of damn near every boomer I meet but I rarely ever see anything remotely like, "at least it isn't all of them". The ones who smoked pot and went to Yes concerts in the 70's would do anything for anyone. I'm spitting into the wind here but I'll only say it once.
DaveSamsonite
/a/6EN6BZ1
beatmacster
“Character building”. I feel your pain. My own boomer father is the same. It’s a misconception that they suffered cos coffee shops, internet, etc didn’t exist when they were growing up so they must have had a harder life.
They didn’t. They had an easier life. Less stressful, Slower and cheaper. Not so many billionaires in the world trying to get every spare penny you have, if any.
invaliduserformat
Cheaper is definitely key word here. My father went off on me when I was in college that I don't just "take the train and explore different cities or go to the mountains like he did when he was my age" but then I showed him train and hotel prices. He never mentioned it to me again. Boomer generation lives in a fantasy.
Bowtie8bit
What will you do to survive? Will it be an evil for the greater good?
lightfoot2
Also Boomers sold off or destroyed all the institutions that helped them simply to fatten their 401k's. So they ripped both generations.
torokunai
yeah I'm early Gen X so I got some of the goodies the boomers got. California's UC system was dirt-cheap in the 70s and in the 80s they only raised tuition to match inflation. But when the 90s budget shortages hit, they took it out of UC subsidies.
In the 80s I was able to get my UC education by working 30-40 hours in the summer, making $7 or so, plus 20 hrs/week during school, to cover rent & food. I had a simple life; somewhat poor, but glorious.
DontKnowTheSource
My mother and I went to the same college. She went for a year longer than I did. She found one of her original loan statements when we went to move and we adjusted for inflation. She still can't comprehend why I can manage to pay off 130 times her tuition in double the time
kimwimgoddess
I am retired, and yes i have Medicare. but I remember paying into it every paycheck, that tax for medicare. I also paid into my health insurance, and then a big chunk of an annuity which still covers the rest of medical bills.
I also paid into Social Security for the 50 years I worked.
It's billionaires ruining everything, the tax code is truly fucked up. Tax the millionaires and billionaires! I learned about regressive and progressive tax rates in Civics in high school. Don't they teach that?
JustaguyfromNH
I have recently had similar conversations with my 77 year old father.
He also tried to force upon me "well you have two business degrees - you're a Capitalist too"... nope I just studied the system, I don't believe in wealth off the broken backs of the workers.
3stan2112
"owns multiple apartments" Dude is the problem he's railing against.
therealalansmithee
Social Security is not free money.
xltjet
This! Boomers paid into a functioning SS system, if the government greed heads would quit "borrowing" from, it would be solvent much longer. Many boomers neglected to save ANYTHING for retirement, counting on SS.
ViolentlyJaded
Billionaires are the problem.
NaughtButOne
The hoarding of wealth is the problem. It doesn't matter if it's a billion dollars, a million, or a thousand. If the goal is to take money just because bigger number, then it's a parasitic relationship. The entire concept of 'net worth' and 'growth' is antithetical to a functioning society. It's like rainfall. Rain must be allowed to soak into the ground to renew the aquifers. The system can begrudge a couple people capturing rain water, but eventually it adds up and the aquifer runs dry.
draek1
No you see we have more than one problem, although there is definitely a connecting thread. A root, if you will
DaveSamsonite
/a/6EN6BZ1
torokunai
not really. rent-seeking is the problem. In real estate, health care, higher education, and all other life's necessities.
Tim Cook is a billionaire partially thanks to me but I've given every dollar to him willing, and would do so again since I really like the stuff Apple has made since 2011.
CyberHexx
Billionaires are Parasites. It is IMPOSSIBLE to earn a billion dollars. You HAVE to steal the labor value of thousands of employees and play the stock market with insider trading. Even Taylor Swift is a parasite because she has the carbon footprint of a small nation by herself. BILLIONAIRES SHOULD NOT EXIST. They should never have had the opportunity to swindle so many people.
forelle
Yes and why are they the problem? Because they hoard money and pretend they don't owe anybody anything, as if they are not part of society. Now here is the catch: this mentality isn't limited to billionaires, fuck everybody who got it.
SleazyBijou
Your father is an entitled piece of shit. Kinda like mine. Cut the fee off.
MatureDendriticCell
not all boomers. I notice a distinct difference in how family is perceived and how compassion is manifested among boomers and preB. this seems to me to be along party lines. specifically those voting maga (idk about ole skool GOP since they seem to have disappeared) are lacking in compassion, even for their own children &grandchildren. it's sad that they simply do not see how unloving they are. give thanks to your parents that do support &care for you. I guarantee they're out there for some ppl
MatureDendriticCell
and if you are one who feels abandoned and unloved by your family of origin, concentrate on the family that you make. Your children, friends, just random humans can be included in your made family. I'm in there too, imgurian. Someday kindness will overpower all this shite. A better day is ahead.
torokunai
counterpoint: the baby boomers have been paying 12.4% of the wage incomes into social security since 1983, these contributions were intentionally OVERFUNDING SSA by around $1T (the fund has another $1.5T in it now thank to accrued 'interest').
When you hear SSA is going to 'ruin out of money in 2033' that's because the front half of the boomers did their part to make sure there was enough money in the fund to cover their retirements (the median boomer will be 78 in 2033). /1
torokunai
as for real estate, yes, this is where the previous generation gets you.
My boomer parents in the late 70s had to rent from a silent generation doctor who had bought the house (as an 'investment property') we needed in Salinas, CA.
Daliena06
Pretty sure the primary reason the SSA is "going to run out of money" is billionaires and politicians doing everything in their power to loot it while screaming that the people who actually put that money there in the first place should stop being entitled.
torokunai
SSA has not been "looted". But it is true that the Bush and Trump tax cuts have pushed the the Federal government's finances into perilous territory. To fix SSA we actually need to raise FICA taxes a little, but this is politically impossible since we are a nation of children.
Jimthebutler
If your father is profiting from apartment ownership, he hasn't earned shit.
TheDefective
Owning land is not work, Rent Strike 2026. (Contact me to learn more.)
nicholasasloman8888
Maintaining the land is work lmao
TheDefective
Maintaining land is called landscaping, and is distinct from owning land, maintaining a property is called being a handyman or maintenance worker. Landscaping is work. Maintenance is work. Owning land is not work. Owning property is not work.
FetteredJuvenescence
Bold of you to assume there will be a 2026.
TheDefective
Revolutionary Optimism. https://communistusa.org/the-case-for-revolutionary-optimism/
billdozer86
Also, Alabama blows.
IttyBittyProductions
I'm a boomer, and you're blaming the wrong people for your problems. The system was working right for us, but the business/greed types took charge of it and started sucking all the resources up. I fight them almost every day, because you and my kids/grand kids are being screwed. Google up economic charts starting with Reagan.
spiritplumber
Y'all voted for guys like that. (Maybe not you personally)
DaveSamsonite
/a/6EN6BZ1
DaveSamsonite
/a/6EN6BZ1
IttyBittyProductions
Upvoted!
Grimmrog
Boomers are leeching the current generation, thats all there is.
Skywatcher16
after having spent a life profiting off the windfall of the silent generation as well. the last time there were people this lazy and greedy,
Skywatcher16
france started cutting peoples heads off.
DogsGoToHeavenCatsGoToHell
Boomers have paid taxes their entire lives too. They are just as entitled to healthcare as you and I am.
CaledonianSky
Nobody is claiming otherwise. The problem is that Boomers, in most Western countries at least, believe that the generations after them are entitled to less and should work harder for it.
DogsGoToHeavenCatsGoToHell
If you say so. I have never heard a boomer say that.
Skywatcher16
true. nobody is saying otherwise. they, by contrast, are not just telling everyone else that their taxes cant be used for healthcare, but
Skywatcher16
are voting in people who legislate it away for everyone to boot. so im not really sure what your point is here.
DogsGoToHeavenCatsGoToHell
Sorry nvm this is about America.